SEIKO SPB317 Slim Willard The HOTTEST SEIKO you NEVER KNEW EXISTED!
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Where's are these Seiko crown emojis?
I've heard that when dealing with this movement, just skip the Timegrapher and just put in on your wrist, as it appears to have no problems when worn.
I've had this watch for two weeks and I'm very happy with it. the movement is a very precise one for me, -7s when the watch is worn and +7s when it is laid down. every morning it is on time. I also had a mini alpinist with the same movement and it was only losing a second a day consistently.
hard to explain these variations on yours, FT.
Something is making the power delivery not even enough. When the amplitude is consistent the numbers are stable as it should be.
@EscapementWatch you're suppose to wear it on your wrist not a timegrapher. I bet if you didn't have one you would have been more happy with it the movement. Its like putting a framerate counter on a game. before you had that the frame drops didn't bother you at all. A thing I did notice, I own a quite a few newer Seikos and I always try to get JDM versions or watches like these that are made in japan because I like to believe these are better. But all my japanese made watches run way too fast or too slow while all my international versions all run around 2 seconds fast a day. The Japanese watches also seem to have more flaws often. bad bezel action, uneven click springs, bended or crooked hands skuffs on the rotor. There hasn't been one I was completely happy with yet. While I never had issues yet with the international versions, they are all flawless so far. Maybe its all coincidence but I start to believe nowadays the quality control is more tight in the international factories.
I've bought SPB313 recently!
And for my experience with multiple 6R35 movements..(alpinist / SPB213 62mas / SPB313 )
Their deviation on timegrapher varies in position but... surprisingly not deviated far in actuall use in living!
Toughness is just one of the pros of 6R.. You may agree with extended 6R use on your wrist!
Thank you for a great review!
I have had this watch for 3 months and I love it. I wore the watch for a week straight, day and night, and I measured the rate deviation every day. my watch had an average rate deviation of +7 sec/24h. The highest rate deviation was +11 sec and the lowest was +4 sec/24h. If the watch is static, the rate deviation is of course higher.
Hi @G Gi do you still like this watch ?
Yes, absolutely. It's my favorite Sports watch.
@@daveLin104 Yes!!! It's my favorite Sports Watch
You mentioned two things which are very important to me. The dial measurement and the flat case back (no bump). Thank you.
I have a 63mas, mm200, and a sharp edge presage all running the 6R35 and i agree with you, the 4R movement on my turtles, samurais, and monsters seems to have better spd deviation. Such a shame when the 6R watches have awesome case and dial designs.
I love the indices arrangement! It just the date should be like a Bathyscape instead of round punch.
if this comes out with 4r36 movement, im getting one for sure. $1K with unreliable time keeping, forget it.
Its body looks great; give it a quartz heart.
Brotha, eww
the best looking seiko for me!
I bought this watch recently. I confirm the erratic behavior of the timegrapher. However, in daily use I see +2sec/day with factory settings, crown position at 2 o'clock during the night. My favorite watch so far.
For me its almost there...
I just don't like date wheel being round instead of square, I think this would look so clean without a date complication. would be nice if it came with one of the Seichu Natos in black, I am a sucker for this straps.
A seichu strap with this would be perfect!
@@EscapementWatch I'm addicted to them, im trying to get a Blue seichu to put on my SPB297. I can only find one for sale in North America and the seller is refusing to ship in the UK
ahh man that would be a KILLER COMBO!
@@EscapementWatch for sure I will need to find someone in NA to buy it and ship it on to me. 🤣
Yeah, same experience with me, as well. I love seikos designs, but I’ll never buy another one with the 6r35
I bought this model a week ago. Movement accuracy is +9 sec/day. Amplitude is stable too. No jumps, no drops.
thats how it should be!
Yeah. My SBDC105 and my new SBDC111 both had sub-satisfactory performance out of the box, both with the 6R35. The 105 at nearly -30 s/d. The 111 -13 s/d.
I manage to regulate the 105 to be no more than +1 s/d, was very happy with this, of course.
I will regulate the 111 soon.
In both cases, the case back was super hard to open. I had to take the 105 to a jewelry store to get them to help me open.
I will can't open the 111 with my current cheapy case back tools. So, I recently purchased a much better case back opener.. one with a solid base and frame with the crank wheel on top to get a solid torque. That should hopefully allow me to open the case back myself and regulate the 111 to my better standards.
I like the new crown position that is angled further outwards away from the center. However, I do t understand why they can't make it perfectly aligned with the 4 o'clock position. I think most, if not all, vintage examples were perfectly aligned.. and they can do it on say their Marine Master series. From an aesthetic perspective, that would be the perfect position for the crown to be offset at.
Really like the 313 version of this watch with the white dial.
Yes I use the same caseback tool and it is very easy to open with the wheel. The fact that they repositioned the crown means they could have put it at 4 exactly but maybe it was on purpose to create difference with the original? Or create room for a reissue that will be closer to the original, for both the dial, date position and case.
@@EscapementWatch yes, those faithful reissues or limited editions, and for around $3k+, they give you a perfectly aligned crown to the 4 o'clock position. Lol. Otherwise, no. Seiko's longstanding policy about perfect alignment, or there lack of, stands with sub $3k models. Jk.. sort of. I think the only Marine Master (now just Prospex) under $3k that has perfect 4 o'clock crown alignment are the Tunas (300m and up).
Seiko almost always over-torques the caseback. My guess is that it's done by robots on an assembly line. Believe it or not, if you take a hot glue gun and coat the back of the case with hot glue and glue it to the bottom of a metal cup, you can come at the watch from the top with a wrench and unscrew the back this way. Then peel the watch back off the cup and peel the layer of glue off. I've done this twice and it works.
Unfortunatly my new 2 weeks old SPB317 gains 2 minutes each 24 hrs, a very poor movement for a AU $1,400.00 watch,so its being returned for adjustment under warranty 👎
I love this watch. They nailed it in just about every department except the movement of course. If this had a 6L or 8L it would be the only watch id own.
Also, those metal keepers are absolutely detestable. They need to add to solid rubber keepers
I'm sure they will make a 1000 or 1700 or 2000 unit run of a high end version next year. I hope I can get one. The watch seems so popular it might sell fast. But if its like the 62mas they should make 2-3 colors of it in the following years.
Hate the 6R35. Had a willard and alpinist with 'm, had to send 'm in for warranty replacement of the movement. You are right. 4R or 6L are both better. Now I only have 6R15, two 6L35 and a Grand Seiko quartz left in the box, and I prefer those greatly. Sold the 6R35 watches.
I have an almost 6 year old SARW021 with a 6r21 movement and it has been super accurate still. My 8 year old SARY023 with a 4R movement unfortunately is wildly inaccurate at this point.
All my Seikos are JDM…maybe it’s that?
All my Seiko heritages seem pretty good with my Willard and 62mas pretty much spot on, my MM200 gains a couple of seconds but, no big issue whereas my new SPB317J1 is -3mins, way off tolerances! I will be sending in to Seiko for checking after finishing run in test for 7 days. It is the first duff one I've had, although I really like the watch itself. This makes me curious if Seiko has teething issue when releasing new model? My other heritages had be out for couple of years before I bought them, where as the SPB317J1 has only just been released and this is the one I have had issues with. Just a thought especially after watching your video.
we have been on a nice streak of good movements on the channel. Some even saying that they get cherry picked to be on the channel. I just tested a couple new 6R watches and all seem bad. I think there is a bad batch going around. Some of my friends bought the 317 have movement issues too. coincidence maybe
Yep, you're right. Alignement is and now there are issues with the movement. Solve one problem and create another... My experiance is the same. The 4R oerforms better than the 6R. Unbelievable. Great watch, but not for me with this movement for a $1.000.
Wow, that movement is abysmal. Over the last three years, I've gotten two watches with DOA 4R movements and my King Turtle with the 4R36 runs -35 seconds per day, so something is up with Seiko. I'm having such a hard time justifying another Seiko, even if their designs are so iconic. They should just make this in solar, keep the sapphire crystal, and charge me $500 for it!
totally get it. They need to suck it up and just make the new 6 "L" the standard movement.
That’s wack, all of my 4Rs have been perfect. (worst is my 4R34 at +12, best is my 4R36 out of an SPRG at -3)
You got really unlucky there.
I have the SPB317 and it’s one of my fave watches currently for the way it wears, the heritage, the overall package. And you are right, the only thing that let it down is the ridiculously inaccurate movement. It’s easily 30 seconds or more faster per day. I can set it in the morning to my watch and by evening, it’s another 15-20 seconds faster again….
Still love it though. I’ll probably get it regulated at some point.
Seiko’s movements are junk. Their watches are all for looks these days. Waste of money.
I have an old SRP777 that still keeps good time. Older Seiko > new Seiko
I can't agree more. I have the Seiko SNE573 and it's an awesome watch. $400 with all the Seiko dive charm without the $hit movement. I have 4 6R seikos and the all keep terrible time. My Hamilton H10 and Tudor modified ETA run great.
Great review. The date kills it for me.
I get +3s/day, couldn't ask for for more!
I love this watch. The case screams classic. What kind of vulcanized rubber strap is that? Where can I buy one? Thanks.
It is from Nivada Grenchen a Swiss watch companies strap. It is very nice with a nicely finished buckle.
@@EscapementWatch thanks so much. Flat or curved?
curved
I want one of these so badly to pair with my SLA057. Sadly, the 6R35 can be a mixed bag. I've owned half a dozen of them with generally good results. I've had a couple that have constantly given me +2spd over weeks or even months of wear, then one that was something like +25spd and a couple that were more like +10. You never know which one you're gonna get. Haha.
All my 6r movements are inaccurate over 20 to 30 seconds and the 4 r s are within 7 to 8 seconds
With a movement performance like that, the price of 1000.- is absolutely not justified. It's a great-looking watch though. Just not sure how the fit and finish would compare to my SPB077 MM200 which is for me the benchmark for Seikos at that price point.
At the moment the RDUNE 6105-8000 certainly is the better value proposition.
Looks good. I have a King Turtle with the 4R36 calibre, and I'll tell you it is dead nuts accurate day after day. I don't have a fancy timer, but when I check it against my iPhone it shows the exact same time, every time. My Seiko SSK001 (Seiko 5 GMT) though is not nearly as accurate, as it is 2 minutes fast every day.
my king turtle is also very accurate. im very impressed with it. and it costs way less than this. the spb317 is a beauty though. love the size.
I like this watch Seiko always makes awesome watches
My last timing runs (all +) 41, 24, 54, 44, 21, 30. So an average of +35.5. But when I look at a specific timing run, it reads: (+) 32.8, 4.1, 71, 52.7, 64.8. Most timing runs look a lot like this; up and down with a not bad average. Personally, I'd rather have a watch that runs fast or slow, but the same amount fast or slow all day.
I want this watch so bad. If we don't get a 6L version, I might fold.
understood
I haven’t really had good luck with 6r movements I find them very erratic .
No more 6R35 for me. I will wait for 6L or 8L movement. I cannot justify another Seiko Diver with no an upscale mechanics. Great work Bro !!
Totally understand. We know the 8L version is going to be limited and we will all be fighting over those I'm sure. The vintage model price is going up because of this new 8KX.
At first I saw it on the bracelet and thought it looked so ugly but on straps it actially looks good. And I think this shape is better than the Willard.
In my opinion Seiko divers belong on straps only! Just like the originals! they just look so much better! Bracelets are too dressy and fancy for this pure tool watch!
How did this compare to the Rdunae Slim Turtle? When comparing the prices...
Killer review!!! Been eyeing this Willard for awhile… maybe someday 😍
Hate the size of date window, this is a tool watch legibility is a must, this will cause not to buy it, spd151 Willard would make a perfect watch. Love the non reflections and just light dommed cristal. Also love badly the 4.15 crown wow. Those long markers wow, polished and brushed hands and of course the most beautiful seconds hand made by Seiko
In addition i prefer the old models which have the reliable workhorse 6r15d. Much better than the 6r35; i mean it feels like it is at the upper class. Although it has a lower power reserve which is 50-51 hours .
Love the tropic strap - can u tell us what brand it is?
from Nivada Grenchen
@@EscapementWatch thx !
Would you please do a video comparing this to SJE093?
I completely agree. Beautiful watch. I have 3 Seikos with the 6R. Two total duds and one is not too bad. Even my SKX is more accurate/ reliable. Use the workhorse current Turtle movement or make it a true classic with an 8L
Yeah my SKX 7S26 is doing better then COSC. I'm ready for a 6L/8L version of this but its so hard to hold back. Love how it wears so much.
Please how this compared to tudor 39mm or mm200 does it looks smaller than it stated ??
Absolutely - with no 'X' and a proper movement (not to mention Everbrilliant steel and kick-ass case finish), you can sign me up. No high end Seikos this year is making me pretty excited at what's bound to be coming..... No 'X' MM in EB steel???!!!!!!
I'm hoping for EB as well!
My problem with all Seiko models is that their movements have such hit or miss accuracy, not to mention various QC issues - no matter which price point you choose.
It’s interesting the case back is a motif of tsunami. In Japan, tsunami is a natural disaster like flooding or earthquake. it has done damages throughout the history, and has a negative connotation associated in Japanese. Nevertheless, thank you for a great review as always😊
Welcome! Maybe it means their watches are strong to handle the tsunami! Back in the 60's when they created their logo, drawing of tsunami''s was popular in japan culture.
@@EscapementWatch I see. I appreciate your appreciation towards Japanese brands as the same as to Swiss ones. Enjoy your expertise, and looking forward to the upcoming content!
Reminds me a lot of SRPE93
Great review as per usual. Would you take this piece over the SPB237?
Yes!!!
I have to get this!
Thanks for validating my doubts.
I gifted several Prospex Baby Alpinist with 6R35's. Unfortunately all were DUDS and up to -5min late per day.
The 6R15 of the last true Alpinist (SARB017) was fortunately better.
As with all Seikos, shop around, wait a few months after release and pay under retail. Also consider regulating the movement. After that you should be set.
No problems with a 6R for me.
MM200 Blue Ice.
It's waaaay better than a 4R.
Can’t you get the movement regulated or regulate it yourself?
I tried after. Check out my instagram for a video reel on the issue
Honest question. Why do many reviewers "listen" to the bezel action? Why is the sound of the bezel rotating important enough to mention?
Not sure about other reviewers as I don't watch but I get DM'd and asked about sound often so I added the section. We are tracking bezel sound audience retention section closely if it shows ppl are skipping or leaving at that point we will gladly take it out as it is difficult to film the sound. Most times we have to do it a couple times closer to the mic and edit the timing back in. nightmare basically to edit.
another great review bro!
Great video!! I absolutely love this watch!!
I’m a little torn between this spb317 and the willard spb237. I would love to hear your thoughts comparing those models (pricing aside).
Thanks and keep up the great content!
Oh man I love the 237...but the crown position and mood I get from the 8KX is superior. What would be good is wait for a textured dial version of the 8KX if the 317 is too plain jane for you. the 237 is awesome so it is a tough choice.
@@EscapementWatch although I haven’t been able to see it in person, that textured dial and vintage look of the 237 is a killer for me, the aging seems perfectly done, I also find the willard to be more rugged. Then again the proportions on the 317 look spot on and I really like the date execution, I kind of think I’d wear this one on more ocations, although I’m not sure.
I’m from Chile and whatever watch I buy, I’ll have to do so without trying it on, so I want to be really sure 😅. Thanks for your response!
Ok in that case the 237 for the texture dial and you like the rugged look of it. The 8kx does have a more refined trim look.
@@EscapementWatch thanks for your imput!
@@EscapementWatch the more I watch this video and think about it, I’m more convinced that I’ll get the spb317, all the points you mentioned in it’s favor have stuck with me. Thanks man!
Olive green please?
OH YEA!
Seiko doesn’t seem to care about issues with their movements
guess ill be sticking with my spb143...was looking for something that wears a little smaller/thinner but the finishing looks too utilitarian. my 143 has such great lines on the side of the case that this one just doesn't come close in looks. oh well!
It does wear smaller then its size indicates because of the 39.5mm bezel and thin profile.
What model is the blue one at 4mn ? Rond index looks better I think and the date a 3 is also better...
It is a rolex explorer case 36mm seiko mod.
i own many seiko too, 4R >>>>>>>>> 6R, cant believe we paying more for a shittier movement
Very good style
Thank you! Cheers!
Appreciate the energy you bring to these reviews.
No mention on whether the it had sapphire or a hardlex crystal???
@3:01 it says sapphire under the thickness in the sub box. But my bad I did not say it. Well I did but I guess it didn't make the edit and was edited out.
SPB313J1 is the one I want, I hope it will be on sale sooner or later. Hard to justify Seiko full price these days but it's painful to admit, they have one of the best dial designs for my taste.
I saw the 313 at Kavar Jewellers when I picked this one up. Very nice white dial.
I don't like that wee date window stuck in there at 4:30.
great piece but the MM200 IS NOT A BETTER watch IMHO
I don't believe I said better watch. Just talking about finishing on the case.
@@EscapementWatch ohh
Hello , may I ask where you got this tropic strap ?
Nivada Grenchen
So is a model like this but with better movement confirmed? I really want one as my daily watch so I can keep my BB58 for best.
no not confirmed. Just my guess from my experience with Seiko. But if you just want a daily this movement should be fine as long as you get a good one.
@@EscapementWatch any tips on how you get a good one? Or is it just luck?
pure luck lol. Buy from an AD and after a couple weeks of continuous use check the rate on wrist. not on a timegrapher. Use and app. Set the time to the apps atomic reading and then check every day. If its way off return to AD and use the warranty. Have them send it to seiko for service or regulation.
Why does the 6R movement vary so much?! It's definitely some design flaw because most of the 6R movements run awry like this. You need to get to the bottom of this issue and make a comprehensive video.
I've boiled it down to the power delivery is not even. When I watch movements and the amplitude stays steady, the rate is constant as it should be. But in this one something keeps sapping its power and the delivery is erratic. I should give it to my watchmaker and ask what causing it but the watch is going back and I'm going to wait for an SLA version.
I agree, this one looks amazing. But it should be at least 42 mm in diameter and 44 mm would be perfect!
Bought this at US$640 after discount from a HK dealer. It’s a great watch but I think I wouldn’t have bought it at $1k.
Wow! That price is like dealer cost so they probably didn't even make anything. Which store did you get it from?
@@EscapementWatch Grace Watch & Clock in Hong Kong
You are right the 6r35 is totally crap movement. I have it in my new baby alpinist and it loses 27-35 seconds a day! Horrible!
what is the brand od that tropic strap?
Nivada Grenchen Tropic strap.
Hi~ Tropic Strap which brand ??
Nivada Grenchen
I bought the tortoise and I call it the slim willard. It is also the cheap(er) willard. And I love it.
The tortoise is not a willard line. Its from the turtle line but of course you can call it what you please!
Seiko needs to start making these nice designs with Solar movements. Seiko's Solar watches are not that great aesthetically compared to their autos. My Rdunae 6105 8000 keeps better time than most 6R35s Seikos.
Just get the rdunae,it's more authentic
sadly tru! But its not a real seiko!!!! The ideal situation is to get a restored original one with crown rebuild so its water proof
I wish this watch had a 4R and was $500. I would buy that in a heartbeat. Instead I'm left heartbroken from the poor value of an otherwise gorgeous watch.
Put a NH35 inside, the date at 3 o'clock, buy this very faithful to the original one for under 200 $ but it's a chinese (well) made homage. The name : RDunae Retangula
I don’t know why in the hell they didn’t put the date a 3 o’clock like the old
they probably will when they make a high end version.
Yet another killer seiko ruined by the dismal 6R catastrophe……. Why would it be so difficult to develop a reliable plus 5 seconds movement and forget about the 70 hour power reserve…..?
My watchmaker said he if services it and oil's it proper it will run very well for a long long time. But I'm not paying 180 dollars to him for a new watch to be serviced! lol
My 6R35 runs at +/- 3 seconds per day. Nothing to complain about.
@@richardhoulton4016 same here..Order from Gnomon..I have 3 of them with the 6r ... Zero issues.
6R is a great movement
@@alexs7758 That may be overstating it. Swiss companies do high beat movements for the same money. But my experience with my 6R35 has been good. 3 seconds a day is well within expectations. But it sounds like it’s a bit of a lucky dip.
The bezel looks misaligned
spb237 looks better no? more vintage look imo
I don't know why Seiko(Diver watches) and Citizen(some dress watches) never give us signed crown. I hate so much that crown without any logo. Looks so cheap to me.
I think they want a clean look. I had some people comment that they think the "S" looks tacky on the crown. So it is a matter of tastes! They put it on the presage line even cheaper watches then this watch in price. For a company as large as seiko who makes their own everything in house, the manufacture cost to make a signed crown vs non is basically zero. But they put signed crown with word "seiko" on vintage reissues SLA high end models.
That date window is terrible lol
Why such a robot-like narrative/pace?
If you love this model like you say, why not send this back for a replacement with a better running movement?
People love to talk trash on the 6R movement, often people who don’t know anything about movements (or someone who gets one that’s not running perfect or has been magnetized).
The truth is that the 6R is one of the toughest and most durable movements ever made. It’s a tank. Get one that runs decent, regulate it and that thing can run for decades without service.
Ones that run outside of spec are not uncommon, but when was the last time you heard about one failing or having mechanical issues?
Tudors for example- The ETA’s in the Black Bays had problems & failures winding, the MT5652 has date changing failures and now we’re seeing crown issues with the new MT5402.
Ever heard about 6R’s having any of those kind of issues? No, because the 6R is damn near bulletproof.
I hear about them failing probably once every month from Kavar jewelers warranty claims. And 4R's die too. Sometimes watches I reviewed in hand on the channel and months later its in for replacement. Some shock me as they were running great. So it does happen. If you work closely with an AD you will start to hear about it more often. Why not send it back and get it a better movement? Because the experience was soured for me and I decided I'm going to get an oem case of this watch and put in a 4r and build my own. Original Seiko case I have spoken to someone to get it for me and I have a 1 year old 4R that is running amazing 0s on wrist since day one. I'm going to put that in my 8kx oem case.
Why didn’t they release this one with the bracelet as well? Big miss imo
Returned this watch within 2 days. It's absolutely dreadful for the money..a complete rip-off for £800. I'd say you're getting about £300 of value.
The movement is absolutely terrible for this price tag. As is the bezel miss-alignment and general finishing. A complete failure.
Sekio used to be the king of value but not anymore, starting to avoid the brand now.
Yeah the 6r movement is shit. Such a shame as the watches with this movement certainly look the part
Why are Seiko incapable of designing a reliable consistent budget movement like ETA/Sellita!!?? Until such times they should put Quartz movements in these lovely watches instead of ruining them with the pathetic 6R35
We can be friends. Solar quartz as an option. What’s not to like? 6 months on a full charge and accuracy.
I really dont like the SP logo..seiko, please remove it..bring back like old seiko design..
Seiko is just a joke company! Expecting customers to pay hundreds for watches with crap movements? Shame on Seiko.
Seiko sales are stronger then ever so people are buying in super high numbers!
Seiko's new business model - overpriced watches.
The actual shit THAT KILLS this watch is the hole punch date position
Dugk you seiko
And crow position after 4
Also no.... 8kx feels too reachy and thay naming scheme is applied the the meh 5kx 5s crap.. it makes it seem like it's cheaper and associated with the 5kx
Also I don't know but whys everyone haye on yhe 6r35? Seems like an incredibly mov a 70 hour power reserve, maybe seiko just needs to service them out the factory better, has nothing to do with the mov it's just QC, there's always bad nh35 movs but nobody complains about that! Seiko just needs to *AGAIN STEP IT UP*
Seiko CAN'T WIN! They put the ISO lume marker in the chapter ring, people got mad. So they move it to 430 in a square people got mad. They make it circle *hole punch* people get mad. And next step is NO DATE and people will get mad!
Not 8kx... it has no relationship to the skx or 5kx
Yes I know but the 8K is for 8000 its is based on. K= 1000. The x is for it being the prospex version of the 6105-8000
8000 isn’t a Willard and neither is this.
lol
Garbage watches