2024 Hyundai IONIQ 5 N Review - Is The EV Future Really So Bleak?
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- The Hyundai IONIQ 5 N is proof that old school driving thrills can be engineered (to an extent) into our electrified future.
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I like how I read someone say if Porsche doesn't make the upcoming electric Cayman and Boxster as fun to drive as this, they will have failed.
Hyundai deserves all the awards the Ioniq 5/N has gotten. This car is a game changer.
Road and Track magazine recently compared I5N with BMW M3 manual and picked I5N more fun to drive. Epic.
@@bbokdoong I'm not too surprised. The current M3 is so bloated and heavy so even having a manual won't make it more fun. The only BMW M car that is still somewhat fun to drive is the M2.
it isnt going to be electric, its going to be a hybrid
Oh, and Hyundai could make BANK if they sold DLC sound packs!
The unique potential of this type of car is really incredible if you think about it.
@@RichAbe23 Not to me.... I don't need my EV making fake car noises...
Every manufacturer could sell some DLC of their makes iconic engine sounds
This is a solid step in the right direction that will force everyone else to follow suit. Now provide this at lower price points!
Drive a Hyundai but it sounds like a Ferrari, too bad you can't download upgrades to make it shift like a Ferrari
Much love for this brand. Only thing killing Hyundai, Kia, and genesis is the dealership experience.
I read corporate is aware of the issue, but I’m. It sure if they have the solution. In South Korea, they built to order directly for most of their cars.
It gets about 250 mile range if driven conservatively. Not great, but not bad.
People mostly focus on the fake stuff, but it is a legit performance car with near racing spec drivetrain.
Ioniq 5N TA car with stock motor and battery and software tune finished 3rd in the Pikes Peak Hill Climb. 👍
@@bbokdoong I suppose that's not too bad if you consider a current M2 has about the same range on a full tank and that has much less power.
It runs about 290 miles in eco mode.
I commented on savagegeese's review of the Macan EV Turbo, saying: "Despite the Porsche Macan Turbo not having anything technically better than the Hyundai Ionia 5 N, it's still $40,000 to $50,000 more expensive."
Savagegeese replied: "They share nothing. The Macan platform was designed to be scaled as a performance platform, not an eco EV first. You have multilink front and rear, rear steer, Bosch steering rack, vibracoustics adaptive air ride, larger battery, and better range. There are also platform advancements and materials, fit and finish, along with a higher-end audio system. Is it worth another 50k as a daily driver? Yes, if you have the money."
I wanted to share this with you because you always provide unbiased reviews. Thanks for your great content.
@@Warrior11117 thanks for sharing! SG has a point. Macan is superior from an engineering standpoint. But what ends up mattering is how they are to drive and live with. I haven't driven the Macan so I'll reserve judgement.
@@Warrior11117 Savagegeese is mistaken in that this model was planned from the very beginning of the E-GMP platform and has been in development for a very long time. The whole chassi is bespoke and planned from the off as a performance variant of the platform and benefits from the 800V architecture. It's long development also benefits from lessons learned by the "eco" models with most product refresh features, but also lessons learned from the co-developed but released much earlier EV6 GT performance variant. Lots of engineering work behind this release...
That said, I really hope the Macan is better somewhere for it's price, but Smoking tyre had a reviewer already say the N has the edge in handling over the heavier Macan Turbo. Opinions may differ but it sure is close...
Ultimately people shopping for a Porsche will do so for the badge, for sure get a great car, and will pay for it. Fair enough.
Savageese is wrong in the sense that this N variant was part of the platform strategy from the very beginning, and it receives a complete bespoke chassi variant while the whole 800v platform was geared for a performance variant, as it shows in the handling and performance. Having been in development so long from the beginning of the plaform, it benefits from the 'eco' models product update ("facelift") and also lessons learned from the co-developed but released much earlier performance oriented EV6 GT.
Smoking Tyre had a guest that has driven both and rated the N handling higher. Maybe not so strange being 200kg lighter and zero offroad ambitions. Also a few with Macan orders went for this instead.
I think it's closer than some would admit and for sure there is a lot of development behind this N. But anyone buying the Macan will also get a great car for sure.
@@onehorsepower Savagegeese doesn't seem to delve deeply into technical comparisons, often showing blind faith in Porsche. It's crucial to base evaluations on thorough research and highlight the technical strengths and weaknesses rather than relying on brand loyalty.
As Porsche transitions to electric vehicles, their technological prowess isn't as strong as you might think. It's different from their internal combustion engine days. They're busy catching up in technology and relying heavily on the brand image they've built over the years.
In terms of powertrain efficiency, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N utilizes silicon carbide (SiC) inverters which significantly improve efficiency by reducing energy losses up to 30%. These inverters offer higher thermal conductivity and lower switching losses compared to traditional silicon inverters. The Ioniq 5 N’s dual motor setup delivers 641 hp and 770 Nm of torque, designed to operate efficiently across a wide range of speeds due to advanced cooling and control algorithms. On the other hand, the Porsche Macan EV Turbo likely uses conventional silicon inverters, which, while effective, do not offer the same efficiency improvements as SiC technology. The Macan is expected to produce around 500 hp and 700 Nm of torque, focusing more on performance than efficiency.
For battery technology, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N uses NCM 811 (Nickel-Cobalt-Manganese) chemistry which offers higher energy density (~250 Wh/kg), resulting in a more compact and lighter battery pack that improves vehicle efficiency and range. It has a capacity of 77.4 kWh. In contrast, the Porsche Macan EV Turbo likely utilizes NCA (Nickel-Cobalt-Aluminum) chemistry with an energy density around 220 Wh/kg. While this chemistry is known for high energy density and longevity, it typically has less thermal stability compared to NCM 811, and its capacity is 93.4 kWh, offering more raw energy but with a lower energy density, leading to a heavier battery pack.
Regarding thermal management systems, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N features an advanced liquid cooling and heating system integrated with patented phase change material (PCM). This PCM technology stabilizes temperature fluctuations and maintains optimal battery temperature even under high load conditions, ensuring that the battery and motors remain within their ideal temperature range, enhancing performance and longevity. Meanwhile, the Porsche Macan EV Turbo employs a standard liquid cooling system. While effective, it lacks the advanced temperature regulation provided by PCM technology, making it adequate for most conditions but potentially less efficient under extreme conditions.
In terms of charging infrastructure, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N supports 800V architecture with ultra-fast charging up to 350 kW, allowing a 10% to 80% charge in approximately 18 minutes. It is also equipped with bidirectional onboard charging, enabling Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) capabilities which allow the vehicle to supply power back to the grid, offering potential cost savings and grid stability benefits. The Porsche Macan EV Turbo also supports 800V but with a maximum charging capacity of 270 kW, achieving a 10% to 80% charge in about 22 minutes, and its V2G capabilities are not explicitly mentioned.
Overall, while both vehicles have their strengths, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N seems to offer several technological advantages in terms of efficiency, battery performance, thermal management, and charging capabilities, making it a compelling option in the EV market.
In any case, Porches is “more” out of reach for most. I5N is a bit less out of reach 😅
Hyunday just saved the EV phenomen before fail in apathy and sales. I am confident this is the way and all automakers will follow.
Fantastic vehicle. Hyundai is now what honda used to be.
Speaking of, what’s up with Honda and Toyota EV? What’s holding them up?
They need to do a high revving v10/12 sound. That would sell like hotcakes
great video! I want to see a battle between the new Tesla Model Y Performance. I also hope they upload more car sounds. Maybe a V8 sound to really bring over people that want to remember their muscle cars 😂❤🎉
The classic N formula.
what would be perfect is if they can make it over 300 miles so your daily number (80%)
Also not having the markups./6 the dealerships. I can’t wait to see Hyundai Kia and Genesis performance vehicles that give you even more space than this BUT DRIVE as well as the HI5Ndoes. We live in exciting times!
Also the Rivian R3X when it comes out. I hope Rivian reaches out to the Motorsport community to build a monster like this one 😮😮😮
Great video-thanks for sharing! I love the car and hope to purchase one later this year.
If you are driving alone and “leasten” an great music 🎶 in your car that make’s you “emotional” in a way - is not fake is just something “extra” besides driving.
If/when these have 300 miles of real world range (even better if that's achievable in winter) I will buy one. But I might be tempted even by this current version once depreciated examples are available
When you're talking about the ignition sound, it sounds a lot like the Gran Turismo one sound effects for most of the cars that's probably why you love it.
When in manual mode and engaging a downshift, does it increase regenerative braking?
Good question
Yes, you can see the regen working in one of the N screens when you down shift and it simulates engine braking
Yes.
And braking actually engages the full regen capacity before making use of the real brakes and it works very well.
Maybe
What a brilliant piece of engineering!
Why hasn’t anyone done a RANGE TEST YET? In echo and sport plus mode.
Its scary that EVs weigh so much. 4861lbs for this car. Thats insane weight.
Nobody will ever experience light weight cars ever again.
Im keeping my 2500lb EK coupe.
Would love to test drive one of these though.
EV exocet's might be a good alternative for a "lightweight" toy
But it’s not just EV’s, it’s new cars in general. Hell isn’t the new M5 over 5k lbs? lol
@@SonikDethmonkey it is :( I'm not happy about it either.
New M2 is 3900lbs. And that's BMW's "smallest" car. You can still buy sub 3000lb cars though. Miata, BRZ, Fiat 500, Fiat Spyder.
My GTI is 3400 lbs...
4:20 that sonic boom lmfao
I was on the verge of ordering one here in Sweden but I decided with my brain and bought 2024 model 3 performance as that car is cheaper (still much more expensive compared to the US). It would be my daily as is the Model 3, have my MX5 for analog experience but still....
Every time I watch a video with a 5N, I know I did not get what I wanted. Also considering the 24 M3P does not even have as much power as the US counterpart 😢.
What's the price difference between Sweden vs. US?
Sometimes you just gotta follow your heart to happiness.
@verothacamaro the 3P starts at 62k USD with the current exchange rate. I believe it is 49k USD in the US with the 7500 USD tax rebate.
The difference between the 3P and 5N here is an additional 16k USD. Also, I have the car on my company, so there is an additional 210 USD/month on top of the 533/month(which the 3P costs) in a so-called benefit tax to drive it privately. So it adds up to get the N.
@@JohnLee-db9zt that is very true
I was also in the same boat when it comes to deciding which one to go with. Went with the N as 10k difference in Canada. But when leasing, the price difference disappeared. So leased it for 4 years.
Aren’t these affected by the game boy hack?
When you think about it, this kind of software could be added to ANY trim of EV. Other manufactures need to copy it immediately too and come out with their versions and sound packs.
If someone could do a 2-door, under 3500lbs EV sports car, with over 300 miles of range and the faux shifting paddle shifters... People would flock to it. The Model 3 is super close to that right now too, just lop off the rear doors/seats and add the paddles/sounds and you've got a winner!
Yes it could be added, but I think you underestimate the complexity of the programming and mapping of all the variables. Even so, the talent and development of this car goes much deeper and the unsung hero is actually the brilliant handling. No such big and heavy car should be allowed to be so playful and fun even on some of the smallest and twistiest roads. The gears are just the icing on the cake, and most EVs don't have the solid base to build upon.
It can also do drifting!
Now, I'm quite happy with my 4-pot turbo hot hatch, but FFS, if you're going to make a fake engine noise, why the hell not choose something a bit more exotic than the same powerplant that powers 90% of ICE cars these days? I'm sure people would have much preferred a V12 N/A, or even a 5-cylinder, Straight-6 or V8. But no, a feckin 4 pot 🤣 And rather than offering those as options, no, we have to have something that sounds like a spaceship. Give me strength man!
I believe they’re using their own TCR cars as inspiration which I’m ok with.
@@oraclemiata845 I guess I would have to hear it for myself, it doesn't actually sound all that bad in fairness in most videos, much like my Mini sounds (probably fairly typical for a 4 banger turbo), but I just think they might have offered something more exotic.
Personally, I think it's stupid. I want the smoothness of an EV if I'm buying one. I don't need fake noises and "shifting" gimmicks like I'm a kid.
Hyundai said they didn’t want it to sound pretentious.
One button switch off, or just buy literally any of the 98% of all other EVs for sale.
BTW I love I can "change" cars at the press of a button.
I hope they make a smaller, lighter, and cheaper version of this one day.
Look up Ioniq 6 N
Are you driving around the Savagegeese test roads without permission???
That midwest test drive event is at the Geese's home track, so probably :P
@@stevemartegani I thought it was MA initially, but then I saw the farms and knew it had to be the good ole Midwest lol
Need to do a comparison against 24’ model 3 performance
Tesla seems to overheat after one short lap
Brakes overheat as well
Still an ev with the same issues with the tech getting old quick. No sense in buying in now especially at its price point. That said, I wouldn’t be selling the ITS anytime soon for that thing. I do like what they did hear though and think they made the better sports car experience than even Porsche.
Supersonic sounds like you’re in a spaceship
Would you trade it for your ITS straight up?
Wait three years and get it for half.
Cool review. The issue with all EVs is technology will always improve and they will as such depreciate faster than ICE. Similar to iphones.
So ICE cars never improve and thus don't depreciate?
I might sell my highly modded 16 Camaro SS for one of these
I already have an F150 as my daily
Please trade the Integra for this
Long answer: “unfortunately..”
Short answer: “yes”
Also go and test it on gravel, on a dirt road. 🤔
Cool about the internal combustion engine feel, but genuinely curious, what is the point of shifting if there are no gears? Do you have to try it to understand?
To try and appeal to some of the sports car buyers I’d imagine. I respect it, trying something different.
i think it’s just to give you a feeling of connectedness with the car which is what a lot of EVs lack. i think it’s pretty cool that hyundai found a way to break the “soulless car” stereotype around EVs and i hope they keep crushing it with their N division
Thanks for your answers guys. Definitely seems like a more lively experience.
But I also was wondering if it changed some of the driving characteristics. He mentioned that it decelerated more when off throttle I think.
@@maddymiller1002on slippery roads, the added feedback of the rpm, load (change in pitch) make it easier to manage grip, and when very slippery the "gears" help cap the wheel rpm, keeping more control. You can also shortshift and make the torque more manageable depending on circumstances, like a form of instant throttle mapping. Otherwise powerful electric motors can be very difficult to modulate.
Hyundai is also a big team in the highest rally devision and they specifically had as a goal to mimic rally like awd handling. So it is really functional in being more connected with the car.
@@onehorsepower Thanks for that explanation! Makes sense
Kinda of surprised it has such a short range, I’d take power hit any day to get 350miles per charge.
Tires. P Zero tires are good for grip but cost alot of range. Now look at the tires of other ‘fast’ evs.
Ain’t no Miata tho
the engine sounds are terrible, especially the fake pops and bangs but its a cool idea I guess
Yeah, of all the engine noises they could pick, they picked a bloody turbo 4-pot noise! 😆 (and I say that as the owner of a turbo 4 pot!). Don't even get me started with the other noises. Christ almighty!
Very cool... Too Ass-pensive tho ..
Time to sell the Integra….
First?
Wish it was in a coupe. It doesn’t look very good imo.
I love how it looks. And it's practical.
I think it looks rad.
@@Zygrenethe regular Ioniq 5 looks better tho...I hate the wheel design and the blacked out bumpers on the N version this car should've been that NPX1 concept that thing was fire supposedly the NPX1 parts will be available later but it should've came with those parts already from the factory
@@Zygrene Eh, it looks miles better than a tesla but nothing like a $70k sports car (what it is). I'd do insane things to have this in a sexy coupe body
All ev car garbage no matter hp car has the range no good charger station frozen on winter charger time 45 min to 1 hour and more I have to make 2 hour line to charger de garbage car ev 😡
The cars life span is 10 years. If you want to own one for more, it will by dead ☠️ can't sell it. You can't fix it unless you blow 40$ k on a 10 year old Hyundai. What, then, my friend???
Imposter sportscar.
Hey Fenton, if you’re serious about picking one of these up, I dmed you on Instagram!
Don't tempt me ahhh
@@Zygrene to keep it short... they should have a more compact car that really excels at the low owenrship cost part because thats all electric car is good at in terms of stuff that actually matters. this means mid rear engine weight distribution but probably front wheel drive assuming energy effeminacy improvement by regen braking is worthwhile. this can be very close to ideal sports coupe in appearance, weight, areo , and functionality per mass like youve never seen in a production car,.. just dont think only normally and you'll figure it out easy. preserving momentum around turns is more efficient than regen brakeing, these non fully recyclable motor and battery lasts longer etc. g force meter can tell how much applied grip is best for effiency per saftey, tire emission. lightyear 0 sedan , lucid air effiency claim, etc. car jumps up to level with taller sitting cars for saftey similar to audi a8 and hydraulic lowrider. engine sound be much better . this allows for active suspension assuming its not a system that explodes to move a position then locks in , which would be reset by mechanic. in that case, active suspenson for preserving more momentum around turns maybe worth it for effiency sake. so dont waste your money on this one
This car is very enticing, but the price still is a little much imo. As Straightpipes said, it’s like 2+ Elantra N’s.
Btw I’ll tell you right now, the Taycan will not be anywhere as engaging as this (I’ve driven base rwd and turbo S) @zygrene