Back in the late 2000s, Amazon launched Kindle Direct Publishing, allowing anyone to sell books on the Kindle. By removing the gatekeepers at traditional publishers, a lot of authors rushed to the service to achieve their dreams. Then authors began reporting success and even some "tricks" to get their books shown on the front page of Kindle or in emails. With that came a deluge of people flooding the service with poorly written, unedited, or otherwise disposable works. Many were paying people overseas to write books for pennies a word. All of it worked, for a time. To deal with this issue, Amazon allowed users to report issues with the books, issued refunds, and started to weigh things like review scores in how it ranked or displayed books. Those books and authors tanked. The expectations for quality went up and more authors had to turn to things like branding in order to be found or they returned to traditional publishers for help. So it is no surprise to me that using AI to produce 100 books in very little time does not work. I even tried to read one of those books, and I thought: Why would I read this over a Tom Clancy novel? There is no shortage of great books and art created by humans that buying or consuming AI content does not make sense. This is not to say that AI will not ever advance far enough to produce a book equivalent to Tom Clancy, but we are not there yet. What I do see are authors adopting AI to help them with writer's block and ideation. I think there is a balance here, where those with strong foundations in their art (color theory, characterization, plotting) can combine their human skills with AI to accelerate processes and produce more work faster, allowing them to spend more time with branding and marketing. While there is something lost when using AI as part of the process, I admit that as a writer and editor, I use ChatGPT to help me with outlines and research and I use Grammarly to help with the driest parts of editing. There are people looking to AI as a replacement for having to make an effort in learning challenging skills and risking failure. 99.9% of those people will fail and then will move on to the next "get rich quick" scheme.
It's not about gatekeeping as much as it is the nature of 'get rich quick' schemes. It's always a pyramid scheme in some form or the other. Someone is left holding the bag at the end.
@@mchlle94that’s true but it still doesn’t make the work of a human less. Regardless of skill, it’s meaningful because you put your soul into it. Ai just photobashes stolen content.
This happened with the NFT bandwagon where a bunch of subpar "creatives" thought they could make big bucks by throwing out terrible art as NFTs. The market soon had a bunch of really really bad art and just flooded/flushed out or buried the actual good art. Now AI has become so prevalent that it is using its very own art/creations as reference to copy from and as a result its art is becoming watered down and in many cases much much worse.
That and NFTs themselves are quite literally a useless technology and as soon as people figured out they'd been tricked into buying a reciept without a product they tanked in value purely out of worthlessness. Little of column A and a little of column B.
This answer is a bit arrogant imo. Do you really think Anyone can just learn and use something like drawing or art in just a few days?! Huh?! Why only people that have art skills before have the ability to create interesting NFT's? Art is a skill that you can learn in a year or 2 with just practicing, but it's extremely rare, and considering the immense stress of today's society and hate in the world, racism, Social issues, pressure from the environment, plus the fact that not everyone were born in a normal family (toxic and controlling parents), literally almost no one has free time to learn how to draw. you can't deny that you can just "ignore" stressful situations and move on drawing like nothing happened! It hurts! You can't focus on anything! So AI makes this process stress free by allowing people with imagination but almost no art skills to make almost whatever they wanted to You should be ashamed
@@RubiAkitoas a professional artist, my favorite pieces of art are done by people who are just starting. I love seeing people get over the fear that they’re not good enough to be an artist, and choosing to creatively express themselves. I especially love seeing people in my life start drawing or painting, because I know I’ll get to watch them improve. I know that even if they don’t notice the change in their technical skill and style, that I’ll see the difference. Making your own art, builds your self confidence. It’s a form of healing meditation that you can use to de-stress and even help heal trauma. I suggest you look into art therapy. Drawing is one of the most universally accessible skills to learn. All you need is a pencil or pen, some paper, and five minutes to doodle several times a week. I learned to draw by scribbling in the margins of notebooks. You can too. Making ai “art” is theft. Ai is stealing from artists who have spent years refining their skills. You’d be better off commissioning a professional artist, and giving them the prompt instead. Because that’s all you’re doing, writing a prompt, and, that way, instead of stealing from artists, you’ll be paying for their services. Many of the artists who are widely considered ‘great’ come from deep trauma. I come from trauma, the artists in my life all come from trauma. We use art to heal, and we don’t use trauma as an excuse for immoral behavior. I hope you make the art you want to make, at the skill level you currently have. You can always come back later and redo it when you’re more skilled. A drawing of stick figures has more artistry than any ai generated image. You sound caught up in perfectionism. Art is a thing people do, it’s not a level of skill. You can make art, right now. I’ve had lots of people tell me that they can’t make art, and whenever I had the chance, I’ve had them sit down and make art. I’ve not known a single person who hasn’t enjoyed making art once they broke free from the idea that they couldn’t. And I’m talking about immediate gratification, after sitting down with me once, which is not enough to gain any skill, people are surprised by how much they like it. But, in order to enjoy themselves, they had to first let go of perfectionism.
@@RubiAkitoprofessional artist here. Art isn’t a skill you learn, it’s a thing you do. Prompting an ai to generate an image doesn’t make you an artist. You’d be better off finding a professional, paying them, and giving them a prompt. Ai only works, because it has stolen the work of real artists. Midjourney, for example stole from 16,000 artists. Do you really want to support art theft? If you draw stick figure, you just made a piece of art, that makes you an artist. I’m queer, so most everyone I know comes from trauma. I don’t know anyone who uses their trauma to justify immoral behavior. I do know many people who’ve used their art as a form of healing. Art is therapy. Art is meditation. Art can help relieve you of stress. I love drawing specifically because of how accessible it is. All you need is a pencil or pen, a piece of paper, and a few spare minutes. I learned to draw by scribbling in the margins of textbooks, you can too. Shame is a useless emotion, I don’t want you to feel shame. But, I do want you to understand that your behavior is immoral, you are stealing other people’s hard work, you are stealing the work of people who are trying to make a living. I think you should stop. Perfectionism is similarly useless, and I think you are dealing with perfectionism. You are capable of expressing your creativity at the skill level you have. If all you can do is draw stick figures, you can use your imagination and draw some cool stick figures. And if you keep at it, eventually you will gain technical skill, and you can come back and redo your old work. A question you should ask yourself is: ‘Do I want to be an artist, or do I want to be a thief?’
This is the video I’ve been waiting for someone, anyone to make! Commodifying production does not create sustainable customers, it creates interchangeable producers. Your point about brand and relationship is THE crux of the matter. Thank you!
What we need next is a platform where our Art safety is guaranteed away from AI. where the AI can't scrape the Art and also if someone Screenshot it and throw it into AI, they'll be instantly found guilty Artstation didn't have our best interest in mind, basically everything on Artstation was given away to AI like a trash. Artstation was basically losing traffics fast, and many of their users stop posting because they feared that their art gonna get thrown away into AI not to mention they're still allowing AI art to roam on their platform, which is a giant middle finger to the Artists, they didn't even bother to put any filter on their front page. they're already losing Integrity, they didn't respect their users i don't want to post anything on Artstation, and other people did that too. a lot of active people that i follow on Artstation stop posting in 2022-2023 and i won't be surprised if in the future, Artstation, deviantart and other art site will become an AI art only platform. Artists will always creating Art, but now, they didn't know where the safest place to put their Art
@@jensenraylight8011 Quit crying. AI art is in the best interest of everyone, artists included. Just like I can consume, learn from, and establish from your art, so can AI, and if you crying and being mad about it means I’ll have a place to ask for creative input, or that small creators in other fields have a substitute for before they hire an illustrator, I’m down. I don’t want to work because I deserve to work, what I deserve is free time and leisure. I will work for what I deserve. I will always support any automation of anything because the end point is literally ideal. This is that, we’re seeing people finally begin to understand what they value in a product, not the megacorp, not the billionaire behind it, the human. The identity. The authenticity of that which is made. People are understanding that they can enjoy their lives.
@@charlix3 You misunderstand what art truly is if that is what you think of it, and honestly I wouldn't even know where to begin to show you how wrong your mindset on it is. I think the best way to explain it to you is to tell you to try to actually make art yourself and then, in time, maybe you will understand why your mindset on art is faulty. But then again it seems like being raised under the capitalistic system has corrupted your 'soul' so I doubt you would ever bother with creating anything in the first place unless it helps you make money -> thus survive. I truly pity people like you.
@@charlix3 yes, a long winding arguments full of Justification of your crimes. basically what you said is, it's okay to steal something from someone as long as you're the only one benefit from it. i get it, you like stealing, and you want to steal more without reprecussion. and you want everyone to steal like you so stealing Art become legal. why don't you work for me for free and i'll take all the credits, and throw you away like a used tissue after looting all of your works? see, being in the receiving end isn't so great isn't it? i don't have any problem with AI, i didn't write anything against AI in my comment. i only criticize the Artstation Platform There are a ton of photo of the real world out there, and they can take that photo for free. yet they decided to steal something from someone, something that had a price. instead of using something that already out there free and legal is generating a realistic images is not enough? isn't it better than generating an image of a cartoon? see, for them stealing Art is just a pastime activity, completely unnecessary AI doesn't need Art from Artists to improve, that was a bulls**t. AI improve just fine with real life Photograph a lot of those Artists spent 3 weeks to 2 month creating Arts, there are a lot of bill and rent to pay to be able to produce one single art. their artworks were not intended to be used for you or AI for free. doing so is illegal, and there are no justification that could justify your action. so, stop justifying your crime. unless you want to confess and serve time in prison
@@overlords2722no I don’t agree. Making money off ai art is like you turning in a paper that someone wrote for you. Even if the input is your own the work is not. The person using it still isn’t expressing anything. They can’t put little touches into their art as I would. AI art can’t ever express like a human artist can. No matter how hard you try
AI art is a disposable art, free art. just like a throw away flyer/brochure. it's even worth less than a toilet tissue which is about $6-10 but, it took the whole Illustration and commision market to the trash with them. all illustration art now become a throw away flyer/brochure, worthless it's only worth as a food for AI, nothing more.
Pretty much, if you wanted to start one of those hustler schemes you don't even have to really make any art, you can literally just go around adn download other people's AI art to resell. Since legally, it is fine.
You can always claim it's not AI art and copyright it... But it wont matter either way: since AI art would be everywhere at $0 cost, it's not like copyrighted art (AI or human-made) would have any chance to see - unless it's tied to some big established fashion company, Hollywood franchize, etc.
@@morizanova fr, it's like making a story, You make a story to entertain and for your own joy. If anyone likes it, great! If they dont, it's fine. It's the same with art
Exactly. Before places like Ikea, every piece of furniture anyone had was handmade. Now handmade furniture is 10x the price of what it was 100 years ago.
@@grahamsell3863Not will. It IS. Every convention that allows AI gets blacklisted. AI stalls more empty than mahjong stands. Small event with just 100 visitors and 5 booths turned profit for stands and the resto. Event Organizers kicking whole circle because one dude used AI forcing a disband. And AI sold half price than hand made ones. People are paying extra for real stuffs. AI price crash harder than Boeing planes.
As an aspiring animator and writer, I thank you for this video. I have been stressing out over my career choices and hopes due to these rapid technological advances. I believe that as long as we use AI as a tool rather than a soulless replacement we’ll all be good.
@@TheManinBlack9054that sorta defeats the point, it'd be like if an artist used ai art to draw a specific part of the body if it were like a paragraph or two in the first draft just to get a point across then i'd be perfectly fine with it, an ai art version of it would be using an ai made reference to
If 1 person in 100 can get out of their shitty blue collar job using AI or it can help with a monthly bill I am all for Ai Art. I don’t want to get to a point were only google selected UA-camrs can make money in the online market space. Yeah most Ai “artists” won’t make a penny but most real world small start up businesses fail too. Keep going. There is room for everyone to try & fail or succeed.
@@user-dd9dh9kw5c those who benefit off LLMs right now, are like the story of the idiot who sawed off the branch he was sitting on. You are as eminently replaceable as the artists you seek to replace. The managers on top are always much more replaceable than those who actually do something with their hands. The McDonald's store will still have people who flip burgers, long after the middle management is replaced by a kiosk.
@@southwestkinema9149So you’re cool with anyone stealing from YOU as long as it helps make THEIR life easier and better than YOURS? Cool. Can you please post your full name, address and social security number so that the rest of us can steal your identity and credit so that we can have better lives while you end up in debt or even prison? Thanks! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS. I've said this to many other artists on various forums. If all you're doing is typing prompts, then you're not an artist - you just know how to type - like millions of people all around the world. There's nothing unique in AI Art.
@@ElinWinblad LOL, no. Having the ability to type words into a keyboard doesn't make you a writer, and if you depend on a machine to spew content for you (particularly if it's content kitbashed from the work of others) then that's the opposite of being creative.
@@geekmechanic1473 That doesn't make even the slightest sense. Programmers don't depend on a machine to spew content for them. They write the content and they have to think about it for it to properly work.
Brilliant points. As I type this, I have literally just checked the website of the author who writes my favourite series to see if a release date is set for the latest book. I've been reading this series since 2017. This book will be the 14th (plus another 6 in a companion series, plus a host of short stories) and the first in the series was released back in 2006. I'm a member of several social media groups devoted to this series. Because we love it. The series has become a whole culture for us with discussion of characters, plots and memes. We love how a seemingly insignficant conversation in one book can develop into a completely unexpected plot twist a few books later. Most of all, we love how obvious it is that the author is having a complete blast of a time in writing this series and are writing these books because there is nothing more they would love to spend their time doing. That's the biggest selling point. Create because you enjoy creating, not because you think it's a quick and easy way to make some cash.
@@mrmaxwell346 It's Mercy Thompson by Patricia Briggs. Didn't mention the title as I'm not advertising the series, I'm only talking about how people become fans in the first place.
there's been too many times at convention where if I was on the fence about buying someone's art or merch, I get to talking to the artist. Then something about their passion or even plain ol' friendliness just pulls me right along to grab my money lol. AI, by its very definition, lack that humanity
A powerful lesson for art business in general. It goes beyond AI "art" and asks the real question about how we should be building our brand and business. Thanks for this.
I think it’s sad that we live in an economy where people are so desperate they grasp at whatever straws they can to make a little more money so they don’t drown in bills. The way UA-camrs frame it (“You can make $27464 a month with AI!”) is not only deceptive to people trying to scrape up a little income but it’s also deceptive to onlookers who are participating in the discourse, because it makes it seem like a “get rich quick” scheme when it’s really just desperately poor people trying to make a few extra bucks. There will always be trends of people doing this in various industries, it used to be no content books on KDP, now its this, next year it will be something else. 🤷🏻♀️ It’s similar to why I’m hesitant to judge people who get sucked into MLMs like LulaRoe.
True. But that only reflects that most people are living paycheck to paycheck and desperate for cash over enjoyment. Most people aren't trying to get rich, just trying to get by.
@2265Hello 1 second ago Eh that’s more a correlation/over generalization of what is happening. Not false though there are plenty of people trying to get rich quick and plenty who are desperate for extra cash and want a cash cow. Relating the cause of this to be x or y without evidence will only make nothing more than an opinion or idea (one that I half agree with).
I imagine it's because the bigger Image AI developers are only interested in making money by providing a service that seeks to eliminate artists. Viscom Ai is the only image gen AI that I can think of that's actually useful for artists and designers.
I work selling my art at conventions as a side project (my day job is IT) because I love drawing and meeting new people. 1000% my best and favorite customers are other artists. They come up to my booth, we talk for a little bit about the art and how I make it, and when they find out everything I do is vector they are often blown away by what I am making with Illustrator. 9/10 times it ends up being a sale, but way more than that as you said in the video they are buying into the experience they had talking to me about what I am creating and how I am creating it. I have been saying this for a while but the art world is about to change. People aren't going to be buying art because they think the art is cool, they are going to be buying art because they want to support the artist. Your brand is going to be the most important thing moving forward, and just like you said that brand isn't going to be built on logos or marketing. It is going to be built on a connection to your audience.
Brand/experience/identity or what some call your soul will become very important in the future if you want an audience. Also an AI gets better the human made art will also become more valuable too.
Your experiencee as a vector artist mirrors mine. I do a lot of things with Adobe Illustrator that people think only Photoshop can do and folks support my art because they resonate with it. Not worried about AI. It's just another tool for some. Cheers.
This is what a lot of artists afraid of AI are misunderstanding. Art isn't about art alone, but the brand and experience you have with the artist. Merely flooding the market with nice looking stuff won't grab anyone's attention A great example is the MCU. Once they produced tons more movies, their profits started to drop and people slowly lost interest
They will pay $50 though. I saw shops on Etsy selling custom AI DnD character art. The price was over $50 on one shop, and the product had a few reviews. One of the character pictures shown was shirtless, had no nipples, and a messed up thumb. Although these shop strategies are not sustainable, people actually will buy junk and be happy with it. Very common on Etsy.
Most people are not willing to put in the time and effort to figure out how to make their own AI images and have them printed at a lab, so I think these people are mostly paying for convenience. It also helps if they have a lot of money and bad taste/eye sight
Artificial intelligence is still the biggest problem in the history of writers and illustrators, at least those who are create for a living for publication and distribution, because I think fine art is still safe for the moment… AI artwork recently replaced hundreds of Chinese animators though they did keep one animator on as someone to fix any mistakes and that Artist is working for about $.10 on the dollar of what she used to… Additionally, Netflix made an entire animated show and they had Artificial intelligence create all of the backgrounds instead of paying over a million bucks… The vast majority of people who commissioned artists have no idea if the artist they have hired is real or a robot as long as they are happy with the results, and the problem with artists competing against robots, as the artist can only create work of a certain level of quality within a certain timeframe, such as a day or a week whereas robots can do a week or a months worth of detailed Work in seconds, so there really is no way to compete against such monstrous production… Commission sites are now infested with AI users POSING AS ARTISTS that are making money hand over fist - the consumer cannot tell the difference, though artists usually can tell the difference, though that is changing - many times even Artists cannot tell, and the robots improve every minute and every second of every day…
I have a couple friends who are the grind/hustle types who think AI is their get rich quick scam and the question that really gets under their skin is when I ask "So what would make someone want to buy YOUR AI generated product over another" and they don't have a good answer. They think people will just buy for the sake of buying and not because the product itself has an enticing novelty to attract buyers.
Somehow I don't feel AI is going to give me what I want. I believe only human artists themselves can decide how the final product is gonna look while AI simply approximates the final look.🤔
You miss the point AI can produce art that a human didn't think of. It is supposed to be used not to sell artwork but to do things like produce an album cover for your music for example.
Ehh not really about what the human couldn't think of, but more so speed up the process of getting aid on positions, etc if you don't have access to a model via traditional means like researching, finding body models in specific poses, angles, etc. Sure the ai could make a mesh of psychedelic imagery but so can a human. Time is the difference between ai and a human, not much else.
@@Michael_Lak AI literally creates stuff humans do, it just pretty much photobashes stuff to change the styles, objects, etc. It pretty much creates the same thing humans think of and can do, just speeds up the process. Sometimes people don't do stuff because of the time it would take to complete - anyone can make a comic of a pregnant batman with robin's son, but not many are interested in illustrating that for the 2 people that will read it.
@@Michael_Laktell me you don't know anything about neural networks without telling me that. Neural networks are trained on human art to produce similar human art. It lacks originality and creativity. It "copies" and mashes different human stuff together. Doesn't create anything new.
@MIKEWHOSCO AI will never surpass humans because we are its limits, the artwork they're being fed on are its limits, and guess what, we made that work. Sure, Ai is faster, cheaper, and damages the industry, but it will never create a new movement or new ideas, because AI cannot create, just mimic.
Excellent video and I am not even an artist! The people who use it are more interested in the overhead saving aspect to maximize their profit! I read an article about a man who made an AI generated children’s book! It’s just an insult!
Why?: Oversaturation of products, the same way hundreds of Mobile and MMOrpg games can't sustain themselves and just ends their services in a few months. The A.i gold rush is effective a few months before. but now that there is even a Ai art generation is mainstream and very accessible, this just made their grift become slowly obsolete, like "why should i pay your ai art if i can make ai art myself"
This is the reason I don’t buy products from people who use AI. I wanna support the skill and hard work they put into their passion. I say no matter how great the AI spits the prompt out, if you don’t have a story behind it or experienced the journey of creating something you call your own, then it’s not art.
For those claiming you make thousands selling AI stuff, I have a proposal: Pay my first few months of monthly fees for AI sites and, as soon as I make money out of them, I'll pay you back with a interest rate of your choice. If you've got soooooo rich with that, 150/200 bucks must be pocket change for you...
I thought about trying to illustrate my own coloring books using amazons printing service, before the whole ai thing exploded, now I'm not so sure. How can I possibly compete, not just with other artists, but the influx of Ai now? I don't have a brand, I wouldn't even have an idea for what that would be.
Marketing is hard work, but it doesn't need to be complicated. Complexity tends to work against efficiency. As you need to create content to build awareness and interest, I would rather ask myself what I'm comfortable with and can integrate into my workflow, may it be photo, video or writing, then look into a few social medias that suit your goals and ways of doing things.
Many who sell t-shirts fail because they don't have a style or identity that stands out, or are too generic. While some artists I like, I have bought their t-shirts, artbooks or subscribe to their patreon because I admire their artworks and feel some sort of bond with the artist maybe because of their art style. I think that's why a lot of them fail at selling t-shirts or merchandise. They don't have an audience that clicks with the brand.
One thing I use Midjourney for is to more quickly come up with ideas for product design. It’s not close to being good enough for a final, presentable idea, but what it creates gives me new ideas I can build on. I think that’s one of the long term use scenarios for “AI” art. I put that in quotes because this stuff isn’t really AI, it’s not really intelligent, just automated decision trees. I also use it to make art mashups of different styles and artists and I’ve created some great stuff that way which I’ve been tempted to put on a tshirt or sticker, but I don’t for precisely the reason you have outlined here! They are great individually, but there is no common thread, no brand, no story. Each creation is an artistic dead-end.
Exactly. Midjourney is fantastic for ideation. I work in an industry adjacent to entertainment, and have a lot of concept artist friends that use AI to create a base they can paint on top of. It speeds up their process exponentially.
Brad you hit me with another reality check. Several years ago I had to get rich fast through surveys, watching ads etc which I got from UA-cam but... it didn't work. It crashed, limitations held and it was a scam. That led me to a point of how getting rich overnight is a pipe dream it will never come true. I was one of those people who didn't want to do any effort, hard work or try to be patient so this video can make people realise that the only way to make money is trying to through Branding you said
absolutely right the brand value is the key for making money, this is why cooperation pays 6-10 figures just for a brand rights , this is why Celebrity signed merch has value .
It's so easy to consume art, books, shows etc without even paying for them. I only pay for them to support the people and industries that make them. Why would I pay to support someone else getting an AI to make something, especially when if I wanted something made by an AI I could just get an AI to make it myself?
As someone who dedicated their life to art and design, Ai art has been really really discouraging. I got a design degree as a first in my family college graduate, against people telling me it wasn’t a smart choice to get an arts degree as someone in my financial situation. I am really trying to remind myself why I wanted to get into art in the first place. To express myself and connect with other people. It was never about making money. I only ever wanted to make enough money to keep allowing me to do what I love. In everything I create, I want to do it with love. Thank you for this video. ❤
Yes, and no. I was a very popular (in fact, the MOST popular) collage artist in the period of 2014-2017. I didn't have to go to conventions or connect with anyone. People liked the art, and I was helped by the IG and Tumblr algorithms being chronological-based instead of recommendation-based (so anyone who was following me, would actually see my art). I didn't have to open up my life, or show images of my house, or what I ate that day, or where I traveled, in order to "connect" with my audience. I just posted art, and it worked just fine. Fast forward to 2020, and I decided to be a children's book-style illustrator. By that time, all these services had moved to recommendation systems and narrow AI for suggestions, instead of showing all posts of the people you follow. As much popular I was with collages, the least I was with my illustrations. Similar illustrations by others would get anywhere from 500 to 1500 likes, and I'd get 50. The system simply didn't find me engaging. So, I gave up, and I don't post anywhere anymore. But you have to ask yourself here: why do we have to open up our lives and become a brand, when we can just do art? The problem as I see it is the recommendation engines, and nothing else. I'm simply NOT interested in becoming a public person. But that doesn't mean I don't want to be a successful artist. Not to equate myself with him, but think about that: no one knows who Banksy is. He doesn't post about what he ate today. And yet, Banksy is Banksy because of his stunts, which are actually his art. But we don't know anything else about him. Why should we?
As a Digital and practical abstract artist this whole AI trend is in way beneficial to me since I got my own way of making art that is impossible for an AI to replicate without copying patterns. AI is incapable of really create and reshape ideas of movement and balance in painting. I started painting 30 years ago, like you said it takes time to create a "brand", a singularity. I'm also using midjourney as I use photoshop, procreate, topaz and take pictures in order to give me ideas of different patterns & colors that I could use in my painting. We should always considering AI as a tool and not using it to generate random art forms.
@@Yinzermakesvids It is impossible in the way that as an artist I do not create the same art forms again & again and constantly change & evolve my way of making art. An AI lacks this factor of having to think about what it is making and the evolution of its state of mind since it hasn't got any. There must be a human, telling it what to do by writting complex prompts. Then we could say that this is a new way of making art, but this won't replace the other ones. People were also scared of photoshop & Lightroom when Adobe started to become more powerful. AI is moving too fast, I agree, and this is pretty scary when we think about it. ( I mean not having to learn the art of complex hand-crafting). In the end, the ones that would give the best results possible with AI would be the people with the greatest skills to it. There will be AI artists, like I am a Digital & practical artist. For now it's just to new to draw any conclusions.
@@Yinzermakesvids As long as we're talking about text to image, it is impossible for AI to create something that cannot be described in words. For instance, specific relationships between shapes, or between positive and negative space. These can be overcome by using image to image, or something like control net, but for that you need artistic skill.
@@Yinzermakesvids As long as the people training it don't know how art works, it won't improve. Spikewilliam is really just talking about a specific point of a much larger blindspot; AI art is trained and works in such a way according to how non-artists think art is created. To the untrained eyes, it looks fine, but to artists, there's so much missing and it seems like these programmers aren't even aware of it because they themselves don't know the artistic process.
I believe ai stuff should always be announced on every platform it's published on so that people can see how the art was made, and that it should not be charged at the same price as human made art. Like, no matter how detailed, it's basically worthless. Though truth be told, ai art should not be sold at all considering it's made from other artists' works without consent.
This video rocks! The explanation on what's branding is amazing!! Thank you!!! And totally agree on dumping tons of AI generated stuff vs actually looking to offer value to the costumer!
Thanks so much for this video,Brad! I actually caught this video at the right time. I work in a educational book publishing company in which I'm the artist. Just recently my boss kept telling the staff that we need to totally change from the traditional way of making books to the much modern way using Ai. I've been a traditional artist all my life and I disagree in making an artworks by shutting down my brains and to type words to create art which is not even mine. My boss was saying that following the old ways of the 80s and 90s doesn't work now. I totally disagree with him. You see its all the quick money they think they're going to make is what's blinding them.
That thing about supporting an artist, it's totally true. I buy merch for games i don't play because i want to support those artists because i like _them_
society will always separate themselves between the practitioner vs the faker. it's always been that way, always natural. luckily being an artist is hard, and requires serious dedication. so it's extremely easy to spot any faker. even early intermediate lvl artist / late beginner can already tell which one real vs fake.
Well said Brad. This is exactly why I am NOT concerned with AI in art. Humans are interested in other humans and their stories. Technology is a fleeting novelty that will always be a byproduct of the time the work is made in. Authentic, sincere work will usually transcend its technological architecture, while product for products sake will eventually collapse under the weight of it.
Hi Brad From the experience of an Art Director at an Advertising Modeling Agency. I completely agree with you. Your conclusions and knowledge are 100% truthful. We know each other This is a new page. You studied and advised me a lot, for which I am very grateful to you. for your time and studying information. Haomi 6 and pen. I bought this and a printer. I'm starting everything again. the old phone was broken, everything was there passwords I made everything again, all the sites from scratch))) ❤
Designer here, AI is not an enemy - it’s a tool. You creativity is what makes an AI produced design stand out. Machine can only do that much. We shouldn’t be afraid of change, but adapt and make it work for us, instead of fighting everything everywhere. Ps: Though i am strongly against AI platforms using copyrighted works to fuel their databases…
I feel like as soon as AI is used in the production of a final peice it just loses its personality. I occasionally will use AI as a reference for making my own art, but even that feels a bit iffy to me. You do you tho.
Over saturation is the biggest weakness for AI. The markets will reign back on AI as it end up hurting their own margins. AI can be trained more ethically, and used more effectively as a tool by talented individuals. The ease in production is balanced by competition and market saturation. Someone trying to use AI for monetary gain will have to put in 100x more effort simply crafting a unique and superior product to the rest. Even if your the first, if it makes a penny, 50 more clones of your product will be there waiting to take your spot in search results.
I really appreciate this video, this concept held true for NFT stuff and everyone jumped on the train, but most of it was garbage that no one wanted except for people who had similar intentions-to get rich quick. People want the full experience, not a vapid and shallow product devoid of any humanness. No matter how good ai can get it can’t or won’t replace us because it doesn’t have the stories or emotions or experiences we do. Now when ai becomes sentient and can feel emotions I’ll be worried.
I don't know why people waste time creating AI for art and chatboxes.. create an AI to assess and stop cyber crime, make AI that monitors and keeps social platforms safe for everyone... make AI for government to predict and analyze threats before they happen... AI art creators and chat boxes may seem fun, but all they do is target specific job roles and help create unnecessary panic... fun, that's all... not useful at all... create an AI (with the help of bots) to help reforestation, to provide sustainable infrastructure without jeopardizing the current state of the planet... I personally am not good at anything, I never studied when given countless opportunities, wasted my life... I'm 33 and I'm good at nothing... I see so many talented people on UA-cam and other platforms and I know many of them do their best to get by... thank you brad for this important dialog and I loved the mario bros movie profit analogy, and it is a genuine yet overlooked fact 👌 😊
I subscribed to a site where you get full commercial use of everything on and 9 times out of 10 when i download something i can tell it is AI because its not good enough for use. I complained and they finally made AI generated its own category so you can skip and not waste time
But hundreds of other people, probably thousands of other people are also using the very same things you are using to make very similar products. If it is coloring books or so on...
It's just about marketing, I now someone that can produce $2000 a month with AI, compared me that already draw for ±15 years that only can get $200-400 a month, that is really big difference, since it's much less effort.
I sell access to my personal blog where I sometimes explain how I do my pictures and market it as such... but most people tell me they are to lazy to do it themselves and are just subbed to get my images. When you go into multiple paragraphs of prompts, controlnet, inpainting and so on you are already in the range of several hours and people don't care about spending that much time to get good pictures. So like 90% are subbed to download a few images a day and nothing more - I still continue writing my howtos, but it feels kinda pointless.
the people who are really pushing "ai" art, writing etc just want to cheapen the value of creative work... so that they can later turn around and hire these artists for less money than they could previously. the ai bros are just eating up bullshit and being fooled into doing free anti-labour work that is already screwing creatives. recently enough the game studio rayark (they make mobile games that are regularly updated with new content) fired all of their artists to replace them with "ai" image generators that are plagiarising the work of the fired artists. people are already losing their jobs over this bullshit
Ai has been so discouraging to me. But this shedding light on it makes me a bit happier. I agree. I think art is art. (Insert Mr. incredible here) And Ai just farting stuff like this out is well, like a fart. It explodes and then fizzles out, and it smells really bad.
I think one of the most appealing things towards AI art and content is the immediate leverage and low barrier to entry people are granted with it. The interaction with the technology is enticing due to the fact that skills necessary prior to creating such works are now very less likely needed.
I gotta say though... it has been fun watching the video titles on this site fill up with "I did a thing with AI and you can make monies too" has been funny and concerning. Concerning because, as you pointed out, its indicative of how many people are going to start pumping out junk and oversaturate their area they are about to infect with yet even more AI content.
Mr Brad! You nailed it! Yes! I knew this, I was seeing it but I could not put it into words! Thank you. Thank you also for the value you provide. Rocko
Great video. I got sucked into the whole AI thing by watching a video on how to make money with it. In the end I earned $4.08 with like 6 image sales out of 53 uploaded and like 30 rejected and just decided to give up as the ROI wasn't worth it and with the low barrier to entry floods and floods of new people were entering the market daily doing exactly the same thing and my AI Art stopped selling. I haven't made a sale for like 2 months now........ I learned a valuable lesson from this which is the easier something is to do, the more competition you will face due to more people doing it.
IMHO, art involves practice, hard work, passion, elation, frustration and refusing to give up. OH, and I LOVE it even though I am purely amateur and don't do it for money. AI involves.....pressing a button.
All those emotions are just you idealizing the inherent inferiority of humans and trying to turn it around as some good thing. It doesn't matter whether emotions was poured into something if it's less impressive than what a machine could do I wouldn't want to support people if their art is inferior then they should stop selling art.
@@chloevaillant9430 Art is a meaningless word. A piece of turd is art if you think it is. Art is as stupid of a concept as high fashion. You too are clueless.
Really interesting perspective. Brand is something that all artists struggle with, though. And I don't see how it's all that different for people who use ai as tools for making art. When someone buys something, they're buying it because of you, as the person making it. Some people think about tooling, but the average consumer doesn't really get it, nor should they.
This video makes a lot of sense Brad. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and very very valid arguments against AI. If you don't see folks making a ton of money using AI, where do you see things going with the whole industry? Perhaps, another video discussing this?
This is it. The only sucessful use of AI will be the kind of stuff like the Spiderverse movies, where talented and hardworking artists use it as a powerful tool that can support their already existing creativity, effort and expertise. endlessly and aimlessly generating junk in hopes of making money without effort is not gonna go anywhere. Making good things with AI requires you to be able to make something in the first place.
I only use AI for parts of my designs. My concepts are too complex for a prompt to ever get right in one picture. I also make complex clothing designs without any AI. You have to make stuff the average grandma can't prompt herself.
Thank you for telling the truth. I might also add that there is more money being made teaching how to be an artist than there will ever be a market for art. Collectible art sales total only a few billion a year, yet YT tutorials are creating a surplus of millions of would-be artists and I think even human-created art has been greatly devalued as a result of this.
You are absolutely correct in terms of the need for perceived value by the consumer. However there are some quite serious issues with the rest of your argument. Do you think perceived value is exclusive to humans and always will be? Text generators have been evolving for the last 40 years, but they're still only at the start of their development. What they can do today will look like a malformed toy tomorrow given how much money, time and effort are being pumped into them by some of the biggest brands in tech. Similar for generative art. Why do you think these companies are investing so many resources into these products? Do you think they'd enter into this weird AI arms races if they weren't all certain there are serious return on investment up for grabs? What does perceived value mean when AI can write as well as today's popular authors? When it can create illustrations and animations as well as a professional team can today? These generators aren't doing this on their own, there's a human hand guiding them, curating the results. The real question will be surrounding copyright, and credit. Is a text generator really that different to a ghost writer? Consumers like the right blend between what they know and novelty, that can be written as an algorithm so generators will eventually be able to produce it. "AI" generators are just tools, just like drawing tablets are. Today you review drawing tablets but as the industry moves on tomorrow you might just be reviewing generative model services. A few at first, just as a novelty until before you know it there you are. It's worth noting that a flooded market, is a flooded market. As expectation of quality reduces, consumer tolerance for risk reduces too. That pushes consumers back to established brands where they know what they're getting. That also means the money dries up for new entries to the market where they don't have an established publisher behind them to push and advertise the work. A good children's book with generated illustrations is still going to sell. People don't distinguish between who did the illustrations, particularly if a person slaps their name on the work. Well curated generated illustrations will only add to the perceived value. Whether you like it or not generative models are here to stay. They are tools that are going to completely change the creative industry over the coming years. What a corporate studio currently needs a whole team of writers or artists for, will eventually turn into just a task for the director or their assistant to do via these generative tools. It won't happen literally tomorrow but it will happen and anyone working in the creative industry needs to be prepared for it. The big question will be, who will own the copyright of generated works. Will royalties need to be paid, and how much cheaper will they be than hiring a team of workers. That'll dictate speed of adoption.
"Anyone could do that." Wrong, my grandmother definitely can't do that. Like so many people you use language wrong and say a lot of untrue things without the intention to do so.
From the movie Lord of War, “the problem with making an honest buck is that there are too many people doing it, it drives the profit out of everything”.
The issue isnt that you cant build a brand. That mode of monetization is obviously not gonna work with ai. Its that you can take advantage of trends and niches on scale. U can make so much stuff that even if it barely sells it will still net u a decent profit.
"I’m reciting that quality affects all aspects of my pursuits. I want to imbue quality in everything I do. This skill develops while doing. Not thinking, not imagining, doing. It is learned through learning and experimenting and consistency and pacing."
Thanks for making this Brad. This was pretty obvious for me. You can't have thousands of people auto-generating things with AI to try and sell. All it does is flood the market with crap. Now can AI assist you in making money? It sure can but the keyword is "assist". You still need to put in the work. For example, art can only be copyrighted if you as an artist go back and make custom changes with industry-standard tools such as Adobe Photoshop. This is not my opinion but came straight from the U.S. Copyright Office. I know everyone wants to make a quick buck but most times, it just isn't realistic.
Why does everyone want to be a millionaire? And do it quickly and with minimal effort? If we all do that, where will the knowledge and personal worth go? Do we deserve to be rich if we have no knowledge or talent? Why is the goal in life to be a millionaire and earn so much money? To buy the most expensive tomb in the world and then die in it? It's just a dilemma.
To have money is to change the world as money is a great motivators and can be used to improve the life of the peoples (The Soup Kitchen) The purpose of money is to make more money, it's a constant cycle
i love this video. thank you. as an artist with a good size following on FB (and decent following on IG) i kept seeing ai artist with shops popping up.. and godawful stuff too. none of it sells, and it seems people have sort of stopped trying to sell ai stuff
Yesterday my dad told me ai future is scary. And i told him, you know what. I think this is great for artists, i think now the market will be flooded with ai art and content, ads tv shows what ever. But people will pay premium for human art. I see this as an opportunity
All of this AI Hype had the stench to me of a get rich quick scheme, and those always fail. You'd even see the same scumbags on UA-cam, who were pushing Crypto just a year ago, now going all in on AI.
I feel people are using AI as the solution instead of a tool. Like yeah anybody can put words into a prompt and spit out something decent but an actual artist has vision, concept, and taste and to achieve this is a lot harder in AI art than by hand. You actually have to use your knowledge and do the work, understand, composition, colors, rhythm, use a photo editing program to composite and color, programs to animate either 2D or 3D or record video.This is more of a renderer like Octane, Redshift, V-ray etc. but for any program. It can be sold, it can be used creatively watch the Lorn Entropyyy video. It's not trash, it's not made in few hours or overnight it what artists can achieve when you use your creativity which is what our job is.
True that AI nonsense will make no money. But far sadder that now the thing you need to concentrate on to sell art and literature is a brand. I remember when it was, you know, expertise in your craft. A product based on brand is no more worthy of credit than a product based on AI.
Well you need input to get output. So if you want to be rich or famous, you need to puy your time, energy and money. Simple but people always go shortcuts.
Am I the only one who started to saw many AI art in those new game advertisement on UA-cam? I hate it so much, they expect us to pay to get an AI generated skin? They just thought we're stupid af isn't? ==
The cream rises to the top. That doesn't mean people won't hit milk when they dip into the pail, but the people that want the cream know to skim the top. Shovelware and junk products are nothing new; this is just a quantity issue and there are still plenty of ways to combat it. Like getting informed about your purchases.
I started out as a digital painter, but as AI art first moved onto the scene I knew I had to move into physical medium in order to have any value. Digital art was already nearly worthless before AI. So now I'm learning to oil paint and there's a learning curve, but I'm getting through it and having physical art to show for it is extremely satisfying.
@@Window4503 Ouch, my feelings! I've been consistently after it for about 16 years, but I admit to a gaming addiction that keeps me doing unproductive stuff.
@@fruelein5191 You're operating from a mis-perception. I haven't abandoned digital art. Rather moving into traditional mediums was something I've wanted to do for years. AI was just the push I needed to move in that direction. It's an additional skill. Digital art has less value because you can instantly copy it and unlike software it has low utility. So scarcity is more of a factor. Additionally, every sale I've made has been from face to face interactions in the real world. Digital art is a dime a dozen on the internet. I was just remarking on my experiences.
@@fruelein5191 Hey man. I feel like I owe you an apology. While my original response to you wasn't necessarily bad, it did direct negative emotions in your direction and that's what I'm sorry for. You didn't deserve that. I let my ego get the better of me and I'm sorry.
It's like buying dirt. Why would I buy your dirt, when I got plenty of dirt over here? Same with AI art. Why would I buy yours, when I can just get my own?
As much as i as a researcher find ai interresting anf facinating, i have to agree. No technology will ever be able to "revolutionize" human nature. We are attached to thing, we tend to like things/brandswe are already familiar with. And building up this familarity for your brand is nothing that can be achieved quicker just by pumping out thousands of ai generated products. So don't listen to YT grifters, listen to this guy!
As a consumer, knowing that ai prompting is just theft, I will never knowingly choose to purchase anything that uses it (looking at you, Christopher Paolini)
@ComfyCherry ai prompting programs are trained off of other artists' work that did not consent to having their art used. Those same programs refuse to remove artists' work when asked. It's nothing but theft.
How does he make money doing nothing if it takes him 8 hours per book? He just twiddles his thumbs and stares at the ceiling for 8 hours and gets paid?
I hate this brave new world. I have been using Stable Diffusion for a bit and it's technically impressive but it just steals without consent. And reselling this mish mash is the cherry on top. It's just another thing like NFTs and a moneygrab opportunity without putting any work into it.
if greedy producers of content want to replace all the humans with AI they should be prepared to never get awards or recognition for the work and have their product be freely distributed without licensing fees
i have this talk before with my friends about how ai generated thing already saturated the market. The ai itself designed to be easy to use and accessible by everyone, making millions of people who have $15 for midjourney subs or nvidia gpu will crowded the market with the same content. All these fuses about "i make thousands of dollars from ai" simply an act to pump and dump the ai platform or just clickbaiting tittle. In the end ai artists will compete with millions of people who have $15 and artists just do their own work like usual.
Not really, an ai artist isn't some smuck putting in random prompts. It's the same with photoshop, there are free photoshop programs put there and anyone can make a simple edit. But the photoshop artists are the ones pulling the most out of the tool, they have hours with the software and can manipulate it to do very specific things. Same goes for ai, ai artists will be the ones using ai in impressive and unique ways.
@@group555_ what count as unique anyways all i see just another baby avengers, cat avengers, or ghibli style. Like i said before this tech is accesible for everyone, if you still wont learning how to paint or fix ai image to acchieve those "uniqueness" then you just became one from other millions ai images dumped everyday. It's easy for artist to adapt by using ai for their work if they want to, but ai artist in other hand still convinces themselves that they are unique and different in fact not
@@ramahuy if you want to be an ai artist you should get skills like that. The tool isn't tuneable enough yet to get away without having to touch things up. Being an artist takes work and that will be no different with ai of you want to be specific meaningful pieces. You're just mad everyone can now make cool looking pictures and won't have to settle for paying some mediocre artists to make something ultimately meaningless. Sounds like you need to cope
6:20. Buying into an artist’s story. Heard that from potter who does art shows that considers himself a craftsman without a story. Still claims engaging the public is what sells more than the objects.
I think, when you pour effort and your soul into something, it shows. You can feel it in whatever material it is that you consume, wether that is art, a story, a movie or music. AI is awesome, but it cannot replace the human side of production. People that produce something mostly with AI will produce something that does not have a soul. It has little to no thought in it, and the consumer will notice this. I think that's also a big part of why these materials never really sell well. Like you say, people can tell.
No, machines have souls. If you believe in such a thing, then you should also believe there are occultists out there bridging the last gaps. This is the last argument anyone has against AI, and it's wrong 😂 The only thing keeping us back is fear of the unknown, not the tools we use.
Just one of many opinions out there, but that sounds like a shallow engagement for me personally. I enjoy buying a piece of art because of the human connection. You are buying something you find inspiring and in turn supporting the one who gave you that experience.
AI is for people that dont really care about art but like something they quickly saw. People are still going to want to buy art from actual human artists.
True! I can’t afford to pay an artist or draw every single idea that i want to have a visual of so i use AI Art to help me choose the best ideas to commission/draw!
Yep. I had some clients that commissioned background from me longtime for youtube mixes on a regular basis. AI around the corner and they figured they can just save the money. Happened to more acquaintances as well. Saw their stable years long clients just disappear like a puff of smoke. Many people produce art as a complimentary thing next to something else (promo art, youtube backgrounds, album covers). And those are completely fucked in my circle.
Thank you for being the lone voice speaking into the confusion.🥰 Everyone is trying to jump in on a craze thinking it's a shortcut to getting rich quick. The way to "success" hasn't changed, you really need to put in the work, pure and simple. Using ChatGPT or Midjourney is not putting in the "work." The old-fashioned way is still the surest path to success. Stop looking for shortcuts.
Exactly. That's why I'm learning to draw hyper realistic so I can draw original characters in hyper realistic detail (a few shirts anyways) for my shirt brand. All original characters and creatures hand drawn. Being original is Numero Uno for me
Back in the late 2000s, Amazon launched Kindle Direct Publishing, allowing anyone to sell books on the Kindle. By removing the gatekeepers at traditional publishers, a lot of authors rushed to the service to achieve their dreams. Then authors began reporting success and even some "tricks" to get their books shown on the front page of Kindle or in emails. With that came a deluge of people flooding the service with poorly written, unedited, or otherwise disposable works. Many were paying people overseas to write books for pennies a word. All of it worked, for a time.
To deal with this issue, Amazon allowed users to report issues with the books, issued refunds, and started to weigh things like review scores in how it ranked or displayed books. Those books and authors tanked. The expectations for quality went up and more authors had to turn to things like branding in order to be found or they returned to traditional publishers for help.
So it is no surprise to me that using AI to produce 100 books in very little time does not work. I even tried to read one of those books, and I thought: Why would I read this over a Tom Clancy novel?
There is no shortage of great books and art created by humans that buying or consuming AI content does not make sense. This is not to say that AI will not ever advance far enough to produce a book equivalent to Tom Clancy, but we are not there yet. What I do see are authors adopting AI to help them with writer's block and ideation.
I think there is a balance here, where those with strong foundations in their art (color theory, characterization, plotting) can combine their human skills with AI to accelerate processes and produce more work faster, allowing them to spend more time with branding and marketing. While there is something lost when using AI as part of the process, I admit that as a writer and editor, I use ChatGPT to help me with outlines and research and I use Grammarly to help with the driest parts of editing.
There are people looking to AI as a replacement for having to make an effort in learning challenging skills and risking failure. 99.9% of those people will fail and then will move on to the next "get rich quick" scheme.
Exactly gatekeepers exist for a reason. No everyone Art deserve to be in gallery or make sales. Mine barely does so I really should stop making it 😂
It's not about gatekeeping as much as it is the nature of 'get rich quick' schemes. It's always a pyramid scheme in some form or the other. Someone is left holding the bag at the end.
@@ElinWinbladart has value, even if it doesn't in any capitalistic sense
The problem here however is that you don't really need to be a good artist, you just need to be a good marketeer
@@mchlle94that’s true but it still doesn’t make the work of a human less. Regardless of skill, it’s meaningful because you put your soul into it. Ai just photobashes stolen content.
This happened with the NFT bandwagon where a bunch of subpar "creatives" thought they could make big bucks by throwing out terrible art as NFTs. The market soon had a bunch of really really bad art and just flooded/flushed out or buried the actual good art. Now AI has become so prevalent that it is using its very own art/creations as reference to copy from and as a result its art is becoming watered down and in many cases much much worse.
I hadn't even thought of the fact that AI will be reusing it's own creations, very interesting point!
That and NFTs themselves are quite literally a useless technology and as soon as people figured out they'd been tricked into buying a reciept without a product they tanked in value purely out of worthlessness. Little of column A and a little of column B.
This answer is a bit arrogant imo. Do you really think Anyone can just learn and use something like drawing or art in just a few days?! Huh?!
Why only people that have art skills before have the ability to create interesting NFT's?
Art is a skill that you can learn in a year or 2 with just practicing, but it's extremely rare, and considering the immense stress of today's society and hate in the world, racism, Social issues, pressure from the environment, plus the fact that not everyone were born in a normal family (toxic and controlling parents), literally almost no one has free time to learn how to draw. you can't deny that you can just "ignore" stressful situations and move on drawing like nothing happened! It hurts!
You can't focus on anything!
So AI makes this process stress free by allowing people with imagination but almost no art skills to make almost whatever they wanted to
You should be ashamed
@@RubiAkitoas a professional artist, my favorite pieces of art are done by people who are just starting. I love seeing people get over the fear that they’re not good enough to be an artist, and choosing to creatively express themselves.
I especially love seeing people in my life start drawing or painting, because I know I’ll get to watch them improve. I know that even if they don’t notice the change in their technical skill and style, that I’ll see the difference.
Making your own art, builds your self confidence. It’s a form of healing meditation that you can use to de-stress and even help heal trauma. I suggest you look into art therapy.
Drawing is one of the most universally accessible skills to learn. All you need is a pencil or pen, some paper, and five minutes to doodle several times a week. I learned to draw by scribbling in the margins of notebooks. You can too.
Making ai “art” is theft. Ai is stealing from artists who have spent years refining their skills. You’d be better off commissioning a professional artist, and giving them the prompt instead. Because that’s all you’re doing, writing a prompt, and, that way, instead of stealing from artists, you’ll be paying for their services.
Many of the artists who are widely considered ‘great’ come from deep trauma. I come from trauma, the artists in my life all come from trauma. We use art to heal, and we don’t use trauma as an excuse for immoral behavior.
I hope you make the art you want to make, at the skill level you currently have. You can always come back later and redo it when you’re more skilled. A drawing of stick figures has more artistry than any ai generated image.
You sound caught up in perfectionism. Art is a thing people do, it’s not a level of skill. You can make art, right now.
I’ve had lots of people tell me that they can’t make art, and whenever I had the chance, I’ve had them sit down and make art. I’ve not known a single person who hasn’t enjoyed making art once they broke free from the idea that they couldn’t.
And I’m talking about immediate gratification, after sitting down with me once, which is not enough to gain any skill, people are surprised by how much they like it. But, in order to enjoy themselves, they had to first let go of perfectionism.
@@RubiAkitoprofessional artist here.
Art isn’t a skill you learn, it’s a thing you do.
Prompting an ai to generate an image doesn’t make you an artist. You’d be better off finding a professional, paying them, and giving them a prompt.
Ai only works, because it has stolen the work of real artists. Midjourney, for example stole from 16,000 artists. Do you really want to support art theft?
If you draw stick figure, you just made a piece of art, that makes you an artist.
I’m queer, so most everyone I know comes from trauma. I don’t know anyone who uses their trauma to justify immoral behavior. I do know many people who’ve used their art as a form of healing. Art is therapy. Art is meditation. Art can help relieve you of stress.
I love drawing specifically because of how accessible it is. All you need is a pencil or pen, a piece of paper, and a few spare minutes. I learned to draw by scribbling in the margins of textbooks, you can too.
Shame is a useless emotion, I don’t want you to feel shame. But, I do want you to understand that your behavior is immoral, you are stealing other people’s hard work, you are stealing the work of people who are trying to make a living. I think you should stop.
Perfectionism is similarly useless, and I think you are dealing with perfectionism. You are capable of expressing your creativity at the skill level you have. If all you can do is draw stick figures, you can use your imagination and draw some cool stick figures. And if you keep at it, eventually you will gain technical skill, and you can come back and redo your old work.
A question you should ask yourself is: ‘Do I want to be an artist, or do I want to be a thief?’
This is the video I’ve been waiting for someone, anyone to make! Commodifying production does not create sustainable customers, it creates interchangeable producers. Your point about brand and relationship is THE crux of the matter. Thank you!
Well said!
What we need next is a platform where our Art safety is guaranteed away from AI.
where the AI can't scrape the Art and also if someone Screenshot it and throw it into AI,
they'll be instantly found guilty
Artstation didn't have our best interest in mind, basically everything on Artstation was given away to AI like a trash.
Artstation was basically losing traffics fast, and many of their users stop posting because they feared that their
art gonna get thrown away into AI
not to mention they're still allowing AI art to roam on their platform, which is a giant middle finger to the Artists,
they didn't even bother to put any filter on their front page.
they're already losing Integrity, they didn't respect their users
i don't want to post anything on Artstation, and other people did that too.
a lot of active people that i follow on Artstation stop posting in 2022-2023
and i won't be surprised if in the future, Artstation, deviantart and other art site will become an AI art only platform.
Artists will always creating Art, but now, they didn't know where the safest place to put their Art
@@jensenraylight8011 Quit crying. AI art is in the best interest of everyone, artists included. Just like I can consume, learn from, and establish from your art, so can AI, and if you crying and being mad about it means I’ll have a place to ask for creative input, or that small creators in other fields have a substitute for before they hire an illustrator, I’m down. I don’t want to work because I deserve to work, what I deserve is free time and leisure. I will work for what I deserve. I will always support any automation of anything because the end point is literally ideal. This is that, we’re seeing people finally begin to understand what they value in a product, not the megacorp, not the billionaire behind it, the human. The identity. The authenticity of that which is made. People are understanding that they can enjoy their lives.
@@charlix3 You misunderstand what art truly is if that is what you think of it, and honestly I wouldn't even know where to begin to show you how wrong your mindset on it is.
I think the best way to explain it to you is to tell you to try to actually make art yourself and then, in time, maybe you will understand why your mindset on art is faulty. But then again it seems like being raised under the capitalistic system has corrupted your 'soul' so I doubt you would ever bother with creating anything in the first place unless it helps you make money -> thus survive. I truly pity people like you.
@@charlix3 yes, a long winding arguments full of Justification of your crimes.
basically what you said is, it's okay to steal something from someone as long as you're the only one benefit from it.
i get it, you like stealing, and you want to steal more without reprecussion.
and you want everyone to steal like you so stealing Art become legal.
why don't you work for me for free and i'll take all the credits, and throw you away like a used tissue after looting all of your works?
see, being in the receiving end isn't so great isn't it?
i don't have any problem with AI,
i didn't write anything against AI in my comment.
i only criticize the Artstation Platform
There are a ton of photo of the real world out there, and they can take that photo for free.
yet they decided to steal something from someone, something that had a price.
instead of using something that already out there free and legal
is generating a realistic images is not enough? isn't it better than generating an image of a cartoon?
see, for them stealing Art is just a pastime activity, completely unnecessary
AI doesn't need Art from Artists to improve, that was a bulls**t.
AI improve just fine with real life Photograph
a lot of those Artists spent 3 weeks to 2 month creating Arts,
there are a lot of bill and rent to pay to be able to produce one single art.
their artworks were not intended to be used for you or AI for free.
doing so is illegal, and there are no justification that could justify your action.
so, stop justifying your crime. unless you want to confess and serve time in prison
Art is expression. AI has nothing to express.
Very wrong actually.
No but the person using it does... do people even think anymore 🤡
@@kakhakvery right actually
@@overlords2722no I don’t agree. Making money off ai art is like you turning in a paper that someone wrote for you. Even if the input is your own the work is not. The person using it still isn’t expressing anything. They can’t put little touches into their art as I would. AI art can’t ever express like a human artist can. No matter how hard you try
Ty finally someone that isn’t afraid to say it
So true, and since you cannot copyright, apparently, AI art, then you cannot even protect it's uniqueness.
AI art is a disposable art, free art. just like a throw away flyer/brochure.
it's even worth less than a toilet tissue which is about $6-10
but, it took the whole Illustration and commision market to the trash with them.
all illustration art now become a throw away flyer/brochure, worthless
it's only worth as a food for AI, nothing more.
Well, you can't LEGALLY copyright AI art. Since you don't really have to "file for a copyright" (you just claim it and stick the © on your work), it is still really easy for fraudster to just claim something was human created and stick a © on it. Don't depend on criminals not breaking the law in order to avoid their crimes.
Pretty much, if you wanted to start one of those hustler schemes you don't even have to really make any art, you can literally just go around adn download other people's AI art to resell. Since legally, it is fine.
You can always claim it's not AI art and copyright it... But it wont matter either way: since AI art would be everywhere at $0 cost, it's not like copyrighted art (AI or human-made) would have any chance to see - unless it's tied to some big established fashion company, Hollywood franchize, etc.
AI arts will just be free assets for photobashing
"Will the audience see you as someone trying to entertain them, or just trying to cash in?"
That's a really good way to put it...
TBH most artist always thinking about satisfying themselves , free of buyer controls and need and getting money . The ones whose not is hobby artist
@@morizanova fr, it's like making a story,
You make a story to entertain and for your own joy. If anyone likes it, great! If they dont, it's fine.
It's the same with art
I think there will appear a "No AI involved" movement where people will seek "hand-made" content.
Exactly. Before places like Ikea, every piece of furniture anyone had was handmade. Now handmade furniture is 10x the price of what it was 100 years ago.
@@grahamsell3863Not will. It IS.
Every convention that allows AI gets blacklisted. AI stalls more empty than mahjong stands. Small event with just 100 visitors and 5 booths turned profit for stands and the resto. Event Organizers kicking whole circle because one dude used AI forcing a disband. And AI sold half price than hand made ones.
People are paying extra for real stuffs. AI price crash harder than Boeing planes.
I think it's time for traditional art to make a comeback. Just saying.
As an aspiring animator and writer, I thank you for this video. I have been stressing out over my career choices and hopes due to these rapid technological advances. I believe that as long as we use AI as a tool rather than a soulless replacement we’ll all be good.
I would rather buy art and books done by a human.
I will NEVER buy an ai generated book
@@Ocha431 what about AI-assited book?
@@TheManinBlack9054that sorta defeats the point, it'd be like if an artist used ai art to draw a specific part of the body
if it were like a paragraph or two in the first draft just to get a point across then i'd be perfectly fine with it, an ai art version of it would be using an ai made reference to
@@TheManinBlack9054 depends on how the AI assisted the author
This is a much needed video. I'm glad to see AI bros are NOT going as well as they'd hoped. Thanks Brad!
If 1 person in 100 can get out of their shitty blue collar job using AI or it can help with a monthly bill I am all for Ai Art. I don’t want to get to a point were only google selected UA-camrs can make money in the online market space. Yeah most Ai “artists” won’t make a penny but most real world small start up businesses fail too. Keep going. There is room for everyone to try & fail or succeed.
It won't be long. This is literally less than a year of these AI image generators taking off. Its going to annihilate the job market within 10 years.
@@user-dd9dh9kw5c those who benefit off LLMs right now, are like the story of the idiot who sawed off the branch he was sitting on. You are as eminently replaceable as the artists you seek to replace. The managers on top are always much more replaceable than those who actually do something with their hands. The McDonald's store will still have people who flip burgers, long after the middle management is replaced by a kiosk.
@@southwestkinema9149So you’re cool with anyone stealing from YOU as long as it helps make THEIR life easier and better than YOURS? Cool. Can you please post your full name, address and social security number so that the rest of us can steal your identity and credit so that we can have better lives while you end up in debt or even prison? Thanks! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@xmlthegreat exactly! It’s insane these bootlickers think they are immune from the negative consequences
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS.
I've said this to many other artists on various forums. If all you're doing is typing prompts, then you're not an artist - you just know how to type - like millions of people all around the world. There's nothing unique in AI Art.
They are writers and creative but not artist in traditional sense
@@ElinWinblad they are not creative
@@ElinWinblad LOL, no. Having the ability to type words into a keyboard doesn't make you a writer, and if you depend on a machine to spew content for you (particularly if it's content kitbashed from the work of others) then that's the opposite of being creative.
@@Dreadjaws that's pretty vague as you could argue by that logic programmers aren't creative and they're the ones that created the ai.
@@geekmechanic1473 That doesn't make even the slightest sense. Programmers don't depend on a machine to spew content for them. They write the content and they have to think about it for it to properly work.
Brilliant points. As I type this, I have literally just checked the website of the author who writes my favourite series to see if a release date is set for the latest book. I've been reading this series since 2017. This book will be the 14th (plus another 6 in a companion series, plus a host of short stories) and the first in the series was released back in 2006. I'm a member of several social media groups devoted to this series. Because we love it.
The series has become a whole culture for us with discussion of characters, plots and memes. We love how a seemingly insignficant conversation in one book can develop into a completely unexpected plot twist a few books later. Most of all, we love how obvious it is that the author is having a complete blast of a time in writing this series and are writing these books because there is nothing more they would love to spend their time doing.
That's the biggest selling point. Create because you enjoy creating, not because you think it's a quick and easy way to make some cash.
What is the book series in question?
@@mrmaxwell346 I wonder why they never wanted to mention the name of the "series" kind of weird.
@@iidentifyasaPSLGoddess it must be diary of a wimpy kid...
@@mrmaxwell346 It's Mercy Thompson by Patricia Briggs. Didn't mention the title as I'm not advertising the series, I'm only talking about how people become fans in the first place.
there's been too many times at convention where if I was on the fence about buying someone's art or merch, I get to talking to the artist. Then something about their passion or even plain ol' friendliness just pulls me right along to grab my money lol. AI, by its very definition, lack that humanity
Just like those automated ansewrs from Chat GPT, i rather get answers from actual people
Automated stuff feels so souless, and AI is no exception
YES exactly. I’ll never buy AI art as long as I live. It’s a waste of money. I can just make my own 😜
@@xXVibrantSnowXxthe only time it's useful is when i'm trying to find simple bugs in my code
A powerful lesson for art business in general. It goes beyond AI "art" and asks the real question about how we should be building our brand and business. Thanks for this.
It's kind of sad that when we have amazing tech like AI, people only use it for "get rich quick" scheme.
I think it’s sad that we live in an economy where people are so desperate they grasp at whatever straws they can to make a little more money so they don’t drown in bills. The way UA-camrs frame it (“You can make $27464 a month with AI!”) is not only deceptive to people trying to scrape up a little income but it’s also deceptive to onlookers who are participating in the discourse, because it makes it seem like a “get rich quick” scheme when it’s really just desperately poor people trying to make a few extra bucks. There will always be trends of people doing this in various industries, it used to be no content books on KDP, now its this, next year it will be something else. 🤷🏻♀️ It’s similar to why I’m hesitant to judge people who get sucked into MLMs like LulaRoe.
True. But that only reflects that most people are living paycheck to paycheck and desperate for cash over enjoyment. Most people aren't trying to get rich, just trying to get by.
@2265Hello
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Eh that’s more a correlation/over generalization of what is happening. Not false though there are plenty of people trying to get rich quick and plenty who are desperate for extra cash and want a cash cow. Relating the cause of this to be x or y without evidence will only make nothing more than an opinion or idea (one that I half agree with).
I imagine it's because the bigger Image AI developers are only interested in making money by providing a service that seeks to eliminate artists. Viscom Ai is the only image gen AI that I can think of that's actually useful for artists and designers.
Money is a strong motivator especially when it requires little to no effort
I work selling my art at conventions as a side project (my day job is IT) because I love drawing and meeting new people. 1000% my best and favorite customers are other artists. They come up to my booth, we talk for a little bit about the art and how I make it, and when they find out everything I do is vector they are often blown away by what I am making with Illustrator. 9/10 times it ends up being a sale, but way more than that as you said in the video they are buying into the experience they had talking to me about what I am creating and how I am creating it.
I have been saying this for a while but the art world is about to change. People aren't going to be buying art because they think the art is cool, they are going to be buying art because they want to support the artist. Your brand is going to be the most important thing moving forward, and just like you said that brand isn't going to be built on logos or marketing. It is going to be built on a connection to your audience.
Brand/experience/identity or what some call your soul will become very important in the future if you want an audience. Also an AI gets better the human made art will also become more valuable too.
@OP
You put in words the exact reason why I started supporting someone on Patreon
Your experiencee as a vector artist mirrors mine. I do a lot of things with Adobe Illustrator that people think only Photoshop can do and folks support my art because they resonate with it. Not worried about AI. It's just another tool for some. Cheers.
This is what a lot of artists afraid of AI are misunderstanding. Art isn't about art alone, but the brand and experience you have with the artist. Merely flooding the market with nice looking stuff won't grab anyone's attention
A great example is the MCU. Once they produced tons more movies, their profits started to drop and people slowly lost interest
Nice looking things do grab peoples attention though. Its how I got to almost 50k followers on my main account on Instagram.
AI is more or less just worsening already existing problems in the art industry. Also overstimulating an I over saturated market even further
@@2265Hello Good artists don't need to worry then. If AI which is apparently souless can take away their job then what does that say about the artist?
Art has value because of the skill and effort required to make it.
@williamdrum9899 Exactly, and that adds to the experience. Knowing that someone put a ton of effort into the work you're seeing elevates it
I’ve said it a thousand times before. No one will pay $100+ for AI art when a dreamstudio sub is $10 per 1000 images
They will pay $50 though. I saw shops on Etsy selling custom AI DnD character art. The price was over $50 on one shop, and the product had a few reviews. One of the character pictures shown was shirtless, had no nipples, and a messed up thumb. Although these shop strategies are not sustainable, people actually will buy junk and be happy with it. Very common on Etsy.
Most people are not willing to put in the time and effort to figure out how to make their own AI images and have them printed at a lab, so I think these people are mostly paying for convenience. It also helps if they have a lot of money and bad taste/eye sight
Artificial intelligence is still the biggest problem in the history of writers and illustrators, at least those who are create for a living for publication and distribution, because I think fine art is still safe for the moment…
AI artwork recently replaced hundreds of Chinese animators though they did keep one animator on as someone to fix any mistakes and that Artist is working for about $.10 on the dollar of what she used to…
Additionally, Netflix made an entire animated show and they had Artificial intelligence create all of the backgrounds instead of paying over a million bucks…
The vast majority of people who commissioned artists have no idea if the artist they have hired is real or a robot as long as they are happy with the results, and the problem with artists competing against robots, as the artist can only create work of a certain level of quality within a certain timeframe, such as a day or a week whereas robots can do a week or a months worth of detailed Work in seconds, so there really is no way to compete against such monstrous production…
Commission sites are now infested with AI users POSING AS ARTISTS that are making money hand over fist - the consumer cannot tell the difference, though artists usually can tell the difference, though that is changing - many times even Artists cannot tell, and the robots improve every minute and every second of every day…
Brad's point makes sense when you can tell the different, but when you can't, well, things get muddier.
I have a couple friends who are the grind/hustle types who think AI is their get rich quick scam and the question that really gets under their skin is when I ask "So what would make someone want to buy YOUR AI generated product over another" and they don't have a good answer. They think people will just buy for the sake of buying and not because the product itself has an enticing novelty to attract buyers.
Somehow I don't feel AI is going to give me what I want. I believe only human artists themselves can decide how the final product is gonna look while AI simply approximates the final look.🤔
You miss the point AI can produce art that a human didn't think of. It is supposed to be used not to sell artwork but to do things like produce an album cover for your music for example.
Ehh not really about what the human couldn't think of, but more so speed up the process of getting aid on positions, etc if you don't have access to a model via traditional means like researching, finding body models in specific poses, angles, etc.
Sure the ai could make a mesh of psychedelic imagery but so can a human. Time is the difference between ai and a human, not much else.
@@Michael_Lak AI literally creates stuff humans do, it just pretty much photobashes stuff to change the styles, objects, etc. It pretty much creates the same thing humans think of and can do, just speeds up the process. Sometimes people don't do stuff because of the time it would take to complete - anyone can make a comic of a pregnant batman with robin's son, but not many are interested in illustrating that for the 2 people that will read it.
@@Michael_Laktell me you don't know anything about neural networks without telling me that.
Neural networks are trained on human art to produce similar human art. It lacks originality and creativity.
It "copies" and mashes different human stuff together. Doesn't create anything new.
@MIKEWHOSCO AI will never surpass humans because we are its limits, the artwork they're being fed on are its limits, and guess what, we made that work. Sure, Ai is faster, cheaper, and damages the industry, but it will never create a new movement or new ideas, because AI cannot create, just mimic.
Excellent video and I am not even an artist! The people who use it are more interested in the overhead saving aspect to maximize their profit! I read an article about a man who made an AI generated children’s book! It’s just an insult!
Honestly, there should be a children's book about a man using AI to generate books for profit 🤣
Is it bad that I wanna see this AI generated children’s book?
@@DrawciaGleam02 You're not the only one!
Why?: Oversaturation of products, the same way hundreds of Mobile and MMOrpg games can't sustain themselves and just ends their services in a few months. The A.i gold rush is effective a few months before. but now that there is even a Ai art generation is mainstream and very accessible, this just made their grift become slowly obsolete, like "why should i pay your ai art if i can make ai art myself"
This is the reason I don’t buy products from people who use AI. I wanna support the skill and hard work they put into their passion. I say no matter how great the AI spits the prompt out, if you don’t have a story behind it or experienced the journey of creating something you call your own, then it’s not art.
For those claiming you make thousands selling AI stuff, I have a proposal: Pay my first few months of monthly fees for AI sites and, as soon as I make money out of them, I'll pay you back with a interest rate of your choice.
If you've got soooooo rich with that, 150/200 bucks must be pocket change for you...
I thought about trying to illustrate my own coloring books using amazons printing service, before the whole ai thing exploded, now I'm not so sure. How can I possibly compete, not just with other artists, but the influx of Ai now? I don't have a brand, I wouldn't even have an idea for what that would be.
Marketing is hard work, but it doesn't need to be complicated. Complexity tends to work against efficiency. As you need to create content to build awareness and interest, I would rather ask myself what I'm comfortable with and can integrate into my workflow, may it be photo, video or writing, then look into a few social medias that suit your goals and ways of doing things.
Many who sell t-shirts fail because they don't have a style or identity that stands out, or are too generic.
While some artists I like, I have bought their t-shirts, artbooks or subscribe to their patreon because I admire their artworks and feel some sort of bond with the artist maybe because of their art style.
I think that's why a lot of them fail at selling t-shirts or merchandise. They don't have an audience that clicks with the brand.
One thing I use Midjourney for is to more quickly come up with ideas for product design. It’s not close to being good enough for a final, presentable idea, but what it creates gives me new ideas I can build on. I think that’s one of the long term use scenarios for “AI” art. I put that in quotes because this stuff isn’t really AI, it’s not really intelligent, just automated decision trees.
I also use it to make art mashups of different styles and artists and I’ve created some great stuff that way which I’ve been tempted to put on a tshirt or sticker, but I don’t for precisely the reason you have outlined here! They are great individually, but there is no common thread, no brand, no story. Each creation is an artistic dead-end.
See, YOU are using it correctly.
yeah people who treat ai generated thing as final product is doomed from the start
Exactly. Midjourney is fantastic for ideation. I work in an industry adjacent to entertainment, and have a lot of concept artist friends that use AI to create a base they can paint on top of. It speeds up their process exponentially.
@@pantherman8719 In your opinion...
You can post process the images from midjouney and it is good enough.
Brad you hit me with another reality check. Several years ago I had to get rich fast through surveys, watching ads etc which I got from UA-cam but... it didn't work. It crashed, limitations held and it was a scam. That led me to a point of how getting rich overnight is a pipe dream it will never come true.
I was one of those people who didn't want to do any effort, hard work or try to be patient so this video can make people realise that the only way to make money is trying to through Branding you said
absolutely right the brand value is the key for making money, this is why cooperation pays 6-10 figures just for a brand rights , this is why Celebrity signed merch has value .
It's so easy to consume art, books, shows etc without even paying for them. I only pay for them to support the people and industries that make them. Why would I pay to support someone else getting an AI to make something, especially when if I wanted something made by an AI I could just get an AI to make it myself?
As someone who dedicated their life to art and design, Ai art has been really really discouraging. I got a design degree as a first in my family college graduate, against people telling me it wasn’t a smart choice to get an arts degree as someone in my financial situation. I am really trying to remind myself why I wanted to get into art in the first place. To express myself and connect with other people. It was never about making money. I only ever wanted to make enough money to keep allowing me to do what I love. In everything I create, I want to do it with love. Thank you for this video. ❤
Yes, and no. I was a very popular (in fact, the MOST popular) collage artist in the period of 2014-2017. I didn't have to go to conventions or connect with anyone. People liked the art, and I was helped by the IG and Tumblr algorithms being chronological-based instead of recommendation-based (so anyone who was following me, would actually see my art). I didn't have to open up my life, or show images of my house, or what I ate that day, or where I traveled, in order to "connect" with my audience. I just posted art, and it worked just fine.
Fast forward to 2020, and I decided to be a children's book-style illustrator. By that time, all these services had moved to recommendation systems and narrow AI for suggestions, instead of showing all posts of the people you follow. As much popular I was with collages, the least I was with my illustrations. Similar illustrations by others would get anywhere from 500 to 1500 likes, and I'd get 50. The system simply didn't find me engaging. So, I gave up, and I don't post anywhere anymore.
But you have to ask yourself here: why do we have to open up our lives and become a brand, when we can just do art? The problem as I see it is the recommendation engines, and nothing else. I'm simply NOT interested in becoming a public person. But that doesn't mean I don't want to be a successful artist. Not to equate myself with him, but think about that: no one knows who Banksy is. He doesn't post about what he ate today. And yet, Banksy is Banksy because of his stunts, which are actually his art. But we don't know anything else about him. Why should we?
I see your point but Banksy 100% has a brand. Having a brand and having a public persona aren't the same thing.
It does not take two hours to dance Swan Lake - It takes a ballerina trained for twenty years to dance it in two hours.
As a Digital and practical abstract artist this whole AI trend is in way beneficial to me since I got my own way of making art that is impossible for an AI to replicate without copying patterns. AI is incapable of really create and reshape ideas of movement and balance in painting. I started painting 30 years ago, like you said it takes time to create a "brand", a singularity. I'm also using midjourney as I use photoshop, procreate, topaz and take pictures in order to give me ideas of different patterns & colors that I could use in my painting. We should always considering AI as a tool and not using it to generate random art forms.
It’s not impossible, it will be possible in a few years, I remember when they started the Ai, it’s moving too fast for my taste
@@Yinzermakesvids It is impossible in the way that as an artist I do not create the same art forms again & again and constantly change & evolve my way of making art. An AI lacks this factor of having to think about what it is making and the evolution of its state of mind since it hasn't got any.
There must be a human, telling it what to do by writting complex prompts. Then we could say that this is a new way of making art, but this won't replace the other ones. People were also scared of photoshop & Lightroom when Adobe started to become more powerful.
AI is moving too fast, I agree, and this is pretty scary when we think about it. ( I mean not having to learn the art of complex hand-crafting). In the end, the ones that would give the best results possible with AI would be the people with the greatest skills to it. There will be AI artists, like I am a Digital & practical artist. For now it's just to new to draw any conclusions.
@@Yinzermakesvids As long as we're talking about text to image, it is impossible for AI to create something that cannot be described in words. For instance, specific relationships between shapes, or between positive and negative space. These can be overcome by using image to image, or something like control net, but for that you need artistic skill.
@@Yinzermakesvidsai does not have the human experience or emotions we do, therefore the “art” it makes will always be mid.
@@Yinzermakesvids As long as the people training it don't know how art works, it won't improve. Spikewilliam is really just talking about a specific point of a much larger blindspot; AI art is trained and works in such a way according to how non-artists think art is created. To the untrained eyes, it looks fine, but to artists, there's so much missing and it seems like these programmers aren't even aware of it because they themselves don't know the artistic process.
That was fire. Standing ovation for you here in the studio. Thanks, Brad!
If you want to use AI to make stuff, go ahead. I have no objection. But then let only AI-generated money be used to pay you.
I believe ai stuff should always be announced on every platform it's published on so that people can see how the art was made, and that it should not be charged at the same price as human made art. Like, no matter how detailed, it's basically worthless. Though truth be told, ai art should not be sold at all considering it's made from other artists' works without consent.
This video rocks! The explanation on what's branding is amazing!! Thank you!!! And totally agree on dumping tons of AI generated stuff vs actually looking to offer value to the costumer!
Thanks so much for this video,Brad! I actually caught this video at the right time. I work in a educational book publishing company in which I'm the artist. Just recently my boss kept telling the staff that we need to totally change from the traditional way of making books to the much modern way using Ai. I've been a traditional artist all my life and I disagree in making an artworks by shutting down my brains and to type words to create art which is not even mine. My boss was saying that following the old ways of the 80s and 90s doesn't work now. I totally disagree with him. You see its all the quick money they think they're going to make is what's blinding them.
That thing about supporting an artist, it's totally true. I buy merch for games i don't play because i want to support those artists because i like _them_
society will always separate themselves between the practitioner vs the faker. it's always been that way, always natural.
luckily being an artist is hard, and requires serious dedication. so it's extremely easy to spot any faker.
even early intermediate lvl artist / late beginner can already tell which one real vs fake.
Well said Brad. This is exactly why I am NOT concerned with AI in art. Humans are interested in other humans and their stories. Technology is a fleeting novelty that will always be a byproduct of the time the work is made in. Authentic, sincere work will usually transcend its technological architecture, while product for products sake will eventually collapse under the weight of it.
Hi Brad From the experience of an Art Director at an Advertising Modeling Agency. I completely agree with you. Your conclusions and knowledge are 100% truthful. We know each other This is a new page. You studied and advised me a lot, for which I am very grateful to you. for your time and studying information. Haomi 6 and pen. I bought this and a printer. I'm starting everything again. the old phone was broken, everything was there passwords I made everything again, all the sites from scratch))) ❤
Designer here, AI is not an enemy - it’s a tool. You creativity is what makes an AI produced design stand out. Machine can only do that much. We shouldn’t be afraid of change, but adapt and make it work for us, instead of fighting everything everywhere.
Ps: Though i am strongly against AI platforms using copyrighted works to fuel their databases…
I feel like as soon as AI is used in the production of a final peice it just loses its personality.
I occasionally will use AI as a reference for making my own art, but even that feels a bit iffy to me. You do you tho.
Over saturation is the biggest weakness for AI. The markets will reign back on AI as it end up hurting their own margins. AI can be trained more ethically, and used more effectively as a tool by talented individuals. The ease in production is balanced by competition and market saturation. Someone trying to use AI for monetary gain will have to put in 100x more effort simply crafting a unique and superior product to the rest. Even if your the first, if it makes a penny, 50 more clones of your product will be there waiting to take your spot in search results.
I really appreciate this video, this concept held true for NFT stuff and everyone jumped on the train, but most of it was garbage that no one wanted except for people who had similar intentions-to get rich quick. People want the full experience, not a vapid and shallow product devoid of any humanness. No matter how good ai can get it can’t or won’t replace us because it doesn’t have the stories or emotions or experiences we do. Now when ai becomes sentient and can feel emotions I’ll be worried.
Great video Brad. Seems so obvious when you put it this way, but you've really hit on the reason creatives have nothing to treat from AI. 🙂
Except the business part of it. AI is a threat to the human race because we have built our civilization in the worst ways possible.
I don't know why people waste time creating AI for art and chatboxes.. create an AI to assess and stop cyber crime, make AI that monitors and keeps social platforms safe for everyone... make AI for government to predict and analyze threats before they happen... AI art creators and chat boxes may seem fun, but all they do is target specific job roles and help create unnecessary panic... fun, that's all... not useful at all... create an AI (with the help of bots) to help reforestation, to provide sustainable infrastructure without jeopardizing the current state of the planet... I personally am not good at anything, I never studied when given countless opportunities, wasted my life... I'm 33 and I'm good at nothing... I see so many talented people on UA-cam and other platforms and I know many of them do their best to get by... thank you brad for this important dialog and I loved the mario bros movie profit analogy, and it is a genuine yet overlooked fact 👌 😊
I subscribed to a site where you get full commercial use of everything on and 9 times out of 10 when i download something i can tell it is AI because its not good enough for use. I complained and they finally made AI generated its own category so you can skip and not waste time
But hundreds of other people, probably thousands of other people are also using the very same things you are using to make very similar products. If it is coloring books or so on...
as an artist i never understood why other artist are so threatened by these tools if anything it just made human artist more valuable
The problem is, it copies real people’s art and art styles.
@@Sir_Kophagus yeah so can I in fact that's how I learned to draw
@@dasanoneia4730 you were using that copying for yourself, not to show everybody around that you copied somebody’s art
I like your perspective
It's just about marketing, I now someone that can produce $2000 a month with AI, compared me that already draw for ±15 years that only can get $200-400 a month, that is really big difference, since it's much less effort.
I sell access to my personal blog where I sometimes explain how I do my pictures and market it as such... but most people tell me they are to lazy to do it themselves and are just subbed to get my images.
When you go into multiple paragraphs of prompts, controlnet, inpainting and so on you are already in the range of several hours and people don't care about spending that much time to get good pictures. So like 90% are subbed to download a few images a day and nothing more - I still continue writing my howtos, but it feels kinda pointless.
the people who are really pushing "ai" art, writing etc just want to cheapen the value of creative work... so that they can later turn around and hire these artists for less money than they could previously. the ai bros are just eating up bullshit and being fooled into doing free anti-labour work that is already screwing creatives. recently enough the game studio rayark (they make mobile games that are regularly updated with new content) fired all of their artists to replace them with "ai" image generators that are plagiarising the work of the fired artists. people are already losing their jobs over this bullshit
Ai has been so discouraging to me. But this shedding light on it makes me a bit happier. I agree. I think art is art. (Insert Mr. incredible here) And Ai just farting stuff like this out is well, like a fart. It explodes and then fizzles out, and it smells really bad.
I think one of the most appealing things towards AI art and content is the immediate leverage and low barrier to entry people are granted with it. The interaction with the technology is enticing due to the fact that skills necessary prior to creating such works are now very less likely needed.
As a recent update to this topic, you also can’t claim copyright on AI generated works.
So it is legally impossible to built a brand off AI.
I gotta say though... it has been fun watching the video titles on this site fill up with "I did a thing with AI and you can make monies too" has been funny and concerning. Concerning because, as you pointed out, its indicative of how many people are going to start pumping out junk and oversaturate their area they are about to infect with yet even more AI content.
Mr Brad! You nailed it! Yes! I knew this, I was seeing it but I could not put it into words! Thank you.
Thank you also for the value you provide.
Rocko
Great video. I got sucked into the whole AI thing by watching a video on how to make money with it. In the end I earned $4.08 with like 6 image sales out of 53 uploaded and like 30 rejected and just decided to give up as the ROI wasn't worth it and with the low barrier to entry floods and floods of new people were entering the market daily doing exactly the same thing and my AI Art stopped selling. I haven't made a sale for like 2 months now........
I learned a valuable lesson from this which is the easier something is to do, the more competition you will face due to more people doing it.
IMHO, art involves practice, hard work, passion, elation, frustration and refusing to give up. OH, and I LOVE it even though I am purely amateur and don't do it for money.
AI involves.....pressing a button.
Waiting for someone to come in and write an essay that essentially says 'but but but you have to have ideas and have to write the pRoMpT!1!!'
@@mvv700lmao, so true 😂
All those emotions are just you idealizing the inherent inferiority of humans and trying to turn it around as some good thing. It doesn't matter whether emotions was poured into something if it's less impressive than what a machine could do I wouldn't want to support people if their art is inferior then they should stop selling art.
@@icebox1954 You are clueless about art.
@@chloevaillant9430 Art is a meaningless word.
A piece of turd is art if you think it is.
Art is as stupid of a concept as high fashion.
You too are clueless.
Really interesting perspective. Brand is something that all artists struggle with, though. And I don't see how it's all that different for people who use ai as tools for making art. When someone buys something, they're buying it because of you, as the person making it. Some people think about tooling, but the average consumer doesn't really get it, nor should they.
This video makes a lot of sense Brad. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and very very valid arguments against AI.
If you don't see folks making a ton of money using AI, where do you see things going with the whole industry? Perhaps, another video discussing this?
This is it. The only sucessful use of AI will be the kind of stuff like the Spiderverse movies, where talented and hardworking artists use it as a powerful tool that can support their already existing creativity, effort and expertise. endlessly and aimlessly generating junk in hopes of making money without effort is not gonna go anywhere. Making good things with AI requires you to be able to make something in the first place.
I only use AI for parts of my designs. My concepts are too complex for a prompt to ever get right in one picture. I also make complex clothing designs without any AI. You have to make stuff the average grandma can't prompt herself.
AI art should only be used for inspiration. Plus, a lot of it has a creepy vibe.
Thank you for telling the truth. I might also add that there is more money being made teaching how to be an artist than there will ever be a market for art. Collectible art sales total only a few billion a year, yet YT tutorials are creating a surplus of millions of would-be artists and I think even human-created art has been greatly devalued as a result of this.
You are absolutely correct in terms of the need for perceived value by the consumer. However there are some quite serious issues with the rest of your argument. Do you think perceived value is exclusive to humans and always will be?
Text generators have been evolving for the last 40 years, but they're still only at the start of their development. What they can do today will look like a malformed toy tomorrow given how much money, time and effort are being pumped into them by some of the biggest brands in tech. Similar for generative art.
Why do you think these companies are investing so many resources into these products? Do you think they'd enter into this weird AI arms races if they weren't all certain there are serious return on investment up for grabs?
What does perceived value mean when AI can write as well as today's popular authors? When it can create illustrations and animations as well as a professional team can today? These generators aren't doing this on their own, there's a human hand guiding them, curating the results.
The real question will be surrounding copyright, and credit. Is a text generator really that different to a ghost writer? Consumers like the right blend between what they know and novelty, that can be written as an algorithm so generators will eventually be able to produce it.
"AI" generators are just tools, just like drawing tablets are. Today you review drawing tablets but as the industry moves on tomorrow you might just be reviewing generative model services. A few at first, just as a novelty until before you know it there you are.
It's worth noting that a flooded market, is a flooded market. As expectation of quality reduces, consumer tolerance for risk reduces too. That pushes consumers back to established brands where they know what they're getting. That also means the money dries up for new entries to the market where they don't have an established publisher behind them to push and advertise the work.
A good children's book with generated illustrations is still going to sell. People don't distinguish between who did the illustrations, particularly if a person slaps their name on the work. Well curated generated illustrations will only add to the perceived value.
Whether you like it or not generative models are here to stay. They are tools that are going to completely change the creative industry over the coming years. What a corporate studio currently needs a whole team of writers or artists for, will eventually turn into just a task for the director or their assistant to do via these generative tools. It won't happen literally tomorrow but it will happen and anyone working in the creative industry needs to be prepared for it.
The big question will be, who will own the copyright of generated works. Will royalties need to be paid, and how much cheaper will they be than hiring a team of workers. That'll dictate speed of adoption.
"Anyone could do that."
Wrong, my grandmother definitely can't do that.
Like so many people you use language wrong and say a lot of untrue things without the intention to do so.
From the movie Lord of War, “the problem with making an honest buck is that there are too many people doing it, it drives the profit out of everything”.
The issue isnt that you cant build a brand. That mode of monetization is obviously not gonna work with ai. Its that you can take advantage of trends and niches on scale. U can make so much stuff that even if it barely sells it will still net u a decent profit.
"I’m reciting that quality affects all aspects of my pursuits. I want to imbue quality in everything I do. This skill develops while doing. Not thinking, not imagining, doing. It is learned through learning and experimenting and consistency and pacing."
Thanks for making this Brad. This was pretty obvious for me. You can't have thousands of people auto-generating things with AI to try and sell. All it does is flood the market with crap. Now can AI assist you in making money? It sure can but the keyword is "assist". You still need to put in the work. For example, art can only be copyrighted if you as an artist go back and make custom changes with industry-standard tools such as Adobe Photoshop. This is not my opinion but came straight from the U.S. Copyright Office. I know everyone wants to make a quick buck but most times, it just isn't realistic.
Thank you so much for making this video as I really needed this for some of my new artist buddies need.
Why does everyone want to be a millionaire? And do it quickly and with minimal effort? If we all do that, where will the knowledge and personal worth go? Do we deserve to be rich if we have no knowledge or talent? Why is the goal in life to be a millionaire and earn so much money? To buy the most expensive tomb in the world and then die in it? It's just a dilemma.
To have money is to change the world as money is a great motivators and can be used to improve the life of the peoples (The Soup Kitchen)
The purpose of money is to make more money, it's a constant cycle
i love this video. thank you.
as an artist with a good size following on FB (and decent following on IG) i kept seeing ai artist with shops popping up.. and godawful stuff too. none of it sells, and it seems people have sort of stopped trying to sell ai stuff
Yesterday my dad told me ai future is scary. And i told him, you know what. I think this is great for artists, i think now the market will be flooded with ai art and content, ads tv shows what ever. But people will pay premium for human art. I see this as an opportunity
All of this AI Hype had the stench to me of a get rich quick scheme, and those always fail. You'd even see the same scumbags on UA-cam, who were pushing Crypto just a year ago, now going all in on AI.
I feel people are using AI as the solution instead of a tool. Like yeah anybody can put words into a prompt and spit out something decent but an actual artist has vision, concept, and taste and to achieve this is a lot harder in AI art than by hand. You actually have to use your knowledge and do the work, understand, composition, colors, rhythm, use a photo editing program to composite and color, programs to animate either 2D or 3D or record video.This is more of a renderer like Octane, Redshift, V-ray etc. but for any program. It can be sold, it can be used creatively watch the Lorn Entropyyy video. It's not trash, it's not made in few hours or overnight it what artists can achieve when you use your creativity which is what our job is.
True that AI nonsense will make no money. But far sadder that now the thing you need to concentrate on to sell art and literature is a brand. I remember when it was, you know, expertise in your craft. A product based on brand is no more worthy of credit than a product based on AI.
Well you need input to get output. So if you want to be rich or famous, you need to puy your time, energy and money. Simple but people always go shortcuts.
AI art isn’t art, digital is
Am I the only one who started to saw many AI art in those new game advertisement on UA-cam? I hate it so much, they expect us to pay to get an AI generated skin? They just thought we're stupid af isn't? ==
Fianlly knocking some sense into people who dont know what a real business looks like or is.
The cream rises to the top. That doesn't mean people won't hit milk when they dip into the pail, but the people that want the cream know to skim the top.
Shovelware and junk products are nothing new; this is just a quantity issue and there are still plenty of ways to combat it. Like getting informed about your purchases.
I started out as a digital painter, but as AI art first moved onto the scene I knew I had to move into physical medium in order to have any value. Digital art was already nearly worthless before AI.
So now I'm learning to oil paint and there's a learning curve, but I'm getting through it and having physical art to show for it is extremely satisfying.
You must not have been a digital painter that long if you concluded that digital art is worthless.
@@Window4503 Ouch, my feelings!
I've been consistently after it for about 16 years, but I admit to a gaming addiction that keeps me doing unproductive stuff.
@@fruelein5191 I am well aware of how reality works.
@@fruelein5191 You're operating from a mis-perception. I haven't abandoned digital art. Rather moving into traditional mediums was something I've wanted to do for years. AI was just the push I needed to move in that direction. It's an additional skill.
Digital art has less value because you can instantly copy it and unlike software it has low utility. So scarcity is more of a factor.
Additionally, every sale I've made has been from face to face interactions in the real world. Digital art is a dime a dozen on the internet. I was just remarking on my experiences.
@@fruelein5191 Hey man. I feel like I owe you an apology. While my original response to you wasn't necessarily bad, it did direct negative emotions in your direction and that's what I'm sorry for. You didn't deserve that. I let my ego get the better of me and I'm sorry.
Is that a Lego modular hanging around in the background?
It's like buying dirt. Why would I buy your dirt, when I got plenty of dirt over here? Same with AI art. Why would I buy yours, when I can just get my own?
As much as i as a researcher find ai interresting anf facinating, i have to agree. No technology will ever be able to "revolutionize" human nature. We are attached to thing, we tend to like things/brandswe are already familiar with. And building up this familarity for your brand is nothing that can be achieved quicker just by pumping out thousands of ai generated products. So don't listen to YT grifters, listen to this guy!
As a consumer, knowing that ai prompting is just theft, I will never knowingly choose to purchase anything that uses it (looking at you, Christopher Paolini)
I hate this take, it's not theft. it's not worth anything but it's not theft, not any more than any other artist.
@ComfyCherry ai prompting programs are trained off of other artists' work that did not consent to having their art used. Those same programs refuse to remove artists' work when asked. It's nothing but theft.
@@Amanda-if7ey and I've never asked consent to look at art why should ai need consent, cause that's all it really does is look at it.
How does he make money doing nothing if it takes him 8 hours per book? He just twiddles his thumbs and stares at the ceiling for 8 hours and gets paid?
I hate this brave new world. I have been using Stable Diffusion for a bit and it's technically impressive but it just steals without consent. And reselling this mish mash is the cherry on top. It's just another thing like NFTs and a moneygrab opportunity without putting any work into it.
if greedy producers of content want to replace all the humans with AI they should be prepared to never get awards or recognition for the work and have their product be freely distributed without licensing fees
Very smart stuff. Enjoyed it.
No Soul - No Sell.
Thanks for sharing.... I think I was at the Merch by Amazon conference you talked about..... great times..... Do you still design t-shirts?
i have this talk before with my friends about how ai generated thing already saturated the market. The ai itself designed to be easy to use and accessible by everyone, making millions of people who have $15 for midjourney subs or nvidia gpu will crowded the market with the same content. All these fuses about "i make thousands of dollars from ai" simply an act to pump and dump the ai platform or just clickbaiting tittle. In the end ai artists will compete with millions of people who have $15 and artists just do their own work like usual.
Not really, an ai artist isn't some smuck putting in random prompts. It's the same with photoshop, there are free photoshop programs put there and anyone can make a simple edit. But the photoshop artists are the ones pulling the most out of the tool, they have hours with the software and can manipulate it to do very specific things.
Same goes for ai, ai artists will be the ones using ai in impressive and unique ways.
@@group555_ cope
@@group555_ what count as unique anyways all i see just another baby avengers, cat avengers, or ghibli style. Like i said before this tech is accesible for everyone, if you still wont learning how to paint or fix ai image to acchieve those "uniqueness" then you just became one from other millions ai images dumped everyday. It's easy for artist to adapt by using ai for their work if they want to, but ai artist in other hand still convinces themselves that they are unique and different in fact not
@@ramahuy if you want to be an ai artist you should get skills like that. The tool isn't tuneable enough yet to get away without having to touch things up. Being an artist takes work and that will be no different with ai of you want to be specific meaningful pieces.
You're just mad everyone can now make cool looking pictures and won't have to settle for paying some mediocre artists to make something ultimately meaningless. Sounds like you need to cope
@@group555_That implies that it won't get easier, but that isn't the case, which is why it's called intelligent, it improves.
6:20. Buying into an artist’s story. Heard that from potter who does art shows that considers himself a craftsman without a story. Still claims engaging the public is what sells more than the objects.
I think, when you pour effort and your soul into something, it shows. You can feel it in whatever material it is that you consume, wether that is art, a story, a movie or music. AI is awesome, but it cannot replace the human side of production. People that produce something mostly with AI will produce something that does not have a soul. It has little to no thought in it, and the consumer will notice this. I think that's also a big part of why these materials never really sell well. Like you say, people can tell.
No, machines have souls.
If you believe in such a thing, then you should also believe there are occultists out there bridging the last gaps.
This is the last argument anyone has against AI, and it's wrong 😂
The only thing keeping us back is fear of the unknown, not the tools we use.
AI art isn't for selling art. It's for not having to buy art.
Just one of many opinions out there, but that sounds like a shallow engagement for me personally. I enjoy buying a piece of art because of the human connection. You are buying something you find inspiring and in turn supporting the one who gave you that experience.
AI is for people that dont really care about art but like something they quickly saw. People are still going to want to buy art from actual human artists.
True! I can’t afford to pay an artist or draw every single idea that i want to have a visual of so i use AI Art to help me choose the best ideas to commission/draw!
@@sodakhanartand yet ai art feels soulless
Yep. I had some clients that commissioned background from me longtime for youtube mixes on a regular basis.
AI around the corner and they figured they can just save the money. Happened to more acquaintances as well. Saw their stable years long clients just disappear like a puff of smoke.
Many people produce art as a complimentary thing next to something else (promo art, youtube backgrounds, album covers). And those are completely fucked in my circle.
Thank you for being the lone voice speaking into the confusion.🥰 Everyone is trying to jump in on a craze thinking it's a shortcut to getting rich quick. The way to "success" hasn't changed, you really need to put in the work, pure and simple. Using ChatGPT or Midjourney is not putting in the "work." The old-fashioned way is still the surest path to success. Stop looking for shortcuts.
Exactly. That's why I'm learning to draw hyper realistic so I can draw original characters in hyper realistic detail (a few shirts anyways) for my shirt brand. All original characters and creatures hand drawn. Being original is Numero Uno for me