How Chopin Approaches a Harmonic Climax / Chromatic Mediants / Ger6+

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  • Video, theorizing and piano playing by Michael Koch.
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  • @Mazurking
    @Mazurking 26 днів тому +22

    This channel is so weird, funny, informative and nerdy and I'm all for it.

  • @d_rivadeneyra
    @d_rivadeneyra 26 днів тому +19

    Today's a great day. Michael uploaded Chopin! Amazing video as always.

  • @maru5259
    @maru5259 21 день тому +4

    I love this channel, one of the things stopping me from learning classical theory is that it doesn't have easily accessible theory channels (like 8-bit music theory for video game music and like Charles Cornell for Jazz). But having this has rlly inspired me to learn!
    Your channel is a gift

  • @erickramirez5483
    @erickramirez5483 26 днів тому +11

    brooooo!! what a video! I think one of the best ones about Chopin on YT, you're such an amazing teacher! as always thanks for the amazing material! ❤️

  • @MusicaAngela
    @MusicaAngela 26 днів тому +6

    This is pure Gold! Even though I am a Patreon supporter of yours, for the price of a cup of coffee or two, I feel you go above and beyond other musicians’ tutorials to give us such riches! This was so well done, easy to follow, great visuals to show the chords and the funny visuals, especially the cat, made me laugh out loud!

  • @jacobrussan-pritchett2795
    @jacobrussan-pritchett2795 25 днів тому +2

    I've been looking for a channel like this for like 5 years, this is a really fantastic video :)

  • @tikheilam7697
    @tikheilam7697 21 день тому +1

    So amazing and with detailed explanation 🙏

  • @LucBoeren
    @LucBoeren 6 днів тому

    THIS is the stuff i was looking for THANK YOU so much

  • @Alandpope
    @Alandpope 26 днів тому +1

    I just can't never get enough Chopin. Thank you very much for your Frederick's style videos

  • @iantang2866
    @iantang2866 26 днів тому +5

    Show Pan and Batch are such nice composers!

  • @RedWindField
    @RedWindField 25 днів тому +1

    I learn a lot from this! Got my nylon guitar out and proceeded. Also you're funny! Chopin is the greatest and like all the greats (pianists) I have a challenge translating it to the guitar so this video helps a lot for me.

  • @yalikejazz5721
    @yalikejazz5721 25 днів тому +2

    I absolutely LOVE this channel
    Keep up the good work!!!!

  • @martinborup1157
    @martinborup1157 25 днів тому +1

    I hope you know how illegally wrong it is that you don't have more subscribers.
    You deliver such good quality, and I am of that believe, that so many people would benefit from your channel

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  25 днів тому +1

      Thanks a lot, appreciated :D I'm actually happy with how it is. With more pupularity comes the snobs and smartasses, I'm not missing them and I already had some encounters of the third kind, you can believe me.

  • @Doctee81
    @Doctee81 26 днів тому +5

    You can definitely hear early Scriabin in this!

  • @kofiLjunggren
    @kofiLjunggren 26 днів тому +3

    Such enjoyment watching your videos! Keep on doing what your doing!

  • @juliendespois508
    @juliendespois508 26 днів тому +3

    I was waiting for that video! This is one of my favorite sounds! I noticed you used that brilliant I -> III chromatic mediant modulation in some of your improvisations a couple videos back, and I had started drafting a blog post on it on the library of sonorities, and this video will be a great addition to it!
    PS: I have sent you an email about it, not sure if you've received it :)

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  26 днів тому +1

      Heyho, well I guess I missed it somehow... Sometimes I get a lot of traffic at once and occasionally sth. drops off. Wanna try again?

  • @simongregory3114
    @simongregory3114 20 днів тому

    that was great! The music was nearly as good as the memes and emojis!

  • @DenisPuscaOfficial
    @DenisPuscaOfficial 26 днів тому +2

    Thank you a lot for this video! Your videos are really just great!!!❤😊
    Could you pleasd do a video around the harmonic style of late romantic/impressionist compositions?

  • @SirPrankalot
    @SirPrankalot 26 днів тому +1

    The modulation at 6:14 blew me away

  • @niccolomaldera
    @niccolomaldera 24 дні тому

    Thank you. That's the kind of video I like the most (about romantic era)

  • @godluckNgoodspeed
    @godluckNgoodspeed 24 дні тому

    Came for the Chopin, stayed for all that tasty improv. If you can make me sound one tenth like you then you've got my sub

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  23 дні тому +1

      good boy… I guess how you sound depends mostly on how much labour you put into that. Nobody becomes an improviser/composer just from watching YT videos😂😂

    • @godluckNgoodspeed
      @godluckNgoodspeed 18 днів тому

      @en-blanc-et-noir oh, I play. Practicing is fun for me. I only watch UA-cam videos when I'm away from my piano

  • @dogwithabome630
    @dogwithabome630 25 днів тому +1

    incredibly informative

  • @leoloffl21
    @leoloffl21 26 днів тому

    I love this channel 😄

  • @BatmanWangChung
    @BatmanWangChung 25 днів тому +1

    Brilliant! Thank you! 🙏🙏🙏✌️😎

  • @jaurisova6
    @jaurisova6 21 день тому

    9:24 Keep that contrary motion going and you got an omnibus progression cooking!

  • @DenisPuscaOfficial
    @DenisPuscaOfficial 26 днів тому +1

    Thank you for the awsome video!😊❤
    Could you do a video about the harmonic style of middle (Fantasy Op. 28) and late (Sonatas 7-10) Scrjabin? I would be very grateful.
    And I think that I would not be the only one intrested in that.

  • @ClaireODonnell
    @ClaireODonnell 26 днів тому +1

    This is awesome Michael 👏 wirklich beeindruckend!
    I really enjoyed the improv/composition you played twice. I'm gonna steal some figurations. Funnily enough after all those adventurous augmented 6ths, the figuration that jumped out at me was the classic 5-1 at 11:03 which sounded like a little breath of fresh air. But I'm going to force myself to try out some of your German 6 modulations!

    • @ClaireODonnell
      @ClaireODonnell 26 днів тому

      Also, you crack me up when you refer to Chopin's "outbursts" 😂

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  25 днів тому +1

      Thanks, Claire. ✌️😌

    • @ClaireODonnell
      @ClaireODonnell 25 днів тому

      Nice touch with the organ playing chromatic mediant chords - very effective (3:07)

    • @ClaireODonnell
      @ClaireODonnell 25 днів тому +1

      So much to say on your video (I'm rewatching). As I'm studying early Romantic, this borrowing of the Augmented 6th chord to cadence in a major key was actually a really common move. Chopin just pushed it one step further by using it as a modulator. I love making these connections between the how things progressively evolved. Ok I'll stop commenting now😅 ☺️😀 thanks again!

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  25 днів тому +2

      Common move! And it was already used as a modulator: check slow mvt. of Beethoven's 5th. It's a variation set and the theme modulates from Ab to C by using an aug6th chord that's resolving into exactly this kind of "grandiose" cadential 6/4 like in the video and if I remember it correctly this move reappears in all of the variations. It's a super cool movement, as always: Beethoven has the upper hand...
      I'm pretty sure there is more classical examples, let alone examples from the "brilliant style" period...

  • @yameensekandari8103
    @yameensekandari8103 25 днів тому +1

    fascinating concept. im bad at theory so could you please explain these in a little bit more depth :( i would appreciate it!! like what is a german 6th and you have so many concepts within your playing but if you could break it down a little bit more i would so much appreciate it

  • @nickpollockpiano
    @nickpollockpiano 26 днів тому +1

    YES!!!! CHOPIN!!!!!!!

  • @commentor5479
    @commentor5479 26 днів тому

    Gave a like just for the camera angle at 0:23

  • @thekeyoflifepiano
    @thekeyoflifepiano 25 днів тому

    4:05 is Rule of the Octave

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  10 днів тому

      lol I guess the Partimentisti don't watch me anymore haha... put off by to many Roman Numerals recently

  • @tronchalant
    @tronchalant 24 дні тому

    Nice! Genau der Content, den man braucht ;-D
    Ein Wunsch/ Vorschlag von mir: vielleicht mal was von Beethoven oder von Rachmaninoff? :)

  • @RhodesyYT
    @RhodesyYT 26 днів тому +2

    pls make a video or livestream of u improvising in chopins style you could be the new tartarov!

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  26 днів тому

      LOL far from Tartarov... you'd be disappointed :DD

  • @litoboy5
    @litoboy5 25 днів тому

    Great

  • @questionable-questioner
    @questionable-questioner 19 днів тому

    there is a set of so called lost works by Chopin, where just small fragments of those pieces have survived. I would love a video where you would try to complete one of them.

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  18 днів тому

      Thanks man! That sounds like a cool idea. I wonder where I'd find those. I know similar sketches by Liszt, there are actually quite a lot. One guy digitalized them all an put them on ismlp.

    • @questionable-questioner
      @questionable-questioner 18 днів тому

      @@en-blanc-et-noir there is a video on UA-cam called „10 lost Chopin works and pieces“, alternatively you can find them in Piano Library if you search for „Incipits of lost works(frederic Chopin)“

  • @henrykwieniawski7233
    @henrykwieniawski7233 26 днів тому

    Awesome video!! Can you do a video on Tchaikovsky’s style?

  • @RaptorT1V
    @RaptorT1V 26 днів тому

    ООО новое видео!

  • @roryquirkmusic
    @roryquirkmusic 25 днів тому

    Note to self: 2:06

  • @Supo27.72
    @Supo27.72 24 дні тому

    Liszt does this in a less sophisticated manner, he just throws in the chords separated by a third and makes a huge crescendo, obviously with little to no bass voice leading to make it even more radical. I'm thinking of Hungarian rhapsody 12, for example.

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  24 дні тому +1

      good point! Wouldn't say "less sophisticated" though, he surely sometimes is a little more twisted but usually there is "reason" in the voiceleading. Liszt is a little underestimated in comparison to Chopin, I guess the difference is just that he published a lot more / was less self critical towards his own output than Chopin and that's why it may seem like as if there is lesser high quality pieces, but that ain't the case IMO. I think he is just as great. I'm gonna check the Rhapsody, thx!

    • @Supo27.72
      @Supo27.72 23 дні тому

      ​@@en-blanc-et-noir I hope that my comment didn't come across as hating Liszt! I love his music. The passage I'm referring to in the rhapsody is before the climax ending, where he pairs up mediant chords on the right hand along with a very typical lisztian chromatic octave run in the left. I'm also thinking of the ending of "Les preludes"
      But, in the case of Chopin, as I'm seeing in your video, he makes the effort of introducing chords between the mediants, such as dominants or augmented 6ths in order for it to make """more sense"""

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  18 днів тому

      lol no hate haha, I didn‘t understand it as hate. It is a reasonable observation. Yeah you are right: Liszt does progress through chromatic mediants just for the sheer sound, another good example is the final bars of un sospiro. BUT there is examples where he modulates very elegant through chromatic mediants - ‚with chords in between‘. ✌️

  • @counterpointenthusiast
    @counterpointenthusiast 26 днів тому

    sehr spannend wir immer! was ich mich schon öfter gefragt habe: hast du mal die Chopin 25/12 Etüde gespielt? seit ich die nämlich selbst mal gespielt hab liegt mir diese figurierung so gut in der hand dass es schwierig ist sie nicht zu oft zu benutzen! und bei dir kommt sie ja auch des öfteren :)

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  26 днів тому +1

      Lob vom Enthusiasten geht runter wie Öl :D Ich hab mich schon ein bisschen mit dieser Etüde beschäftigt, ja. Ich finde auch, dass sie gut liegt und das ist jetzt sozusagen für mich der Hinweis, mit dieser Figur evtl. mal kürzer zu treten. Schade eigentlich haha, man kann damit so schön auf low effort bissle Alarm machen.

    • @counterpointenthusiast
      @counterpointenthusiast 26 днів тому +1

      @@en-blanc-et-noir das wollte ich damit aber gar nicht sagen! und selbst wenn es mal auffällt, so ein gediegenes Zitat stört ja niemanden :)

  • @ili626
    @ili626 26 днів тому

    Love this channel. Worried about AI cheapening everything

  • @LucaBovelli
    @LucaBovelli 24 дні тому

    another one of those videos where im gonna have to think…

  • @Mtaalas
    @Mtaalas 25 днів тому

    Is it a font thing that you wrote your roman numerals in Upper case even if they were minor chords? Or is there another reason?

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  25 днів тому +1

      yeah haha, it's the font - tbh I'm not so much of a Roman Numerals guy, I find them somewhat superfluous, unnessecary , I do it more like for the crowd lol... anybody watching that vid seeing a VI in a major key context should know it's a minor chord anyway. So: no particular reason, just the font.

    • @Mtaalas
      @Mtaalas 25 днів тому

      ​@@en-blanc-et-noir yes, in general anyone trying to understand this _should_ know that, that's for sure... I was just wondering because in general when what I see and what I expect to see are not aligned it feels a bit weird :D
      And for what it's worth, I feel there's function to numerals because (as you know, just for conversations sake) it abstracts away the exact chord, it's voicing and the key and only cares about the relation of that chord. and when you talk about functions for chords, modulation and that stuff, it's very VERY helpful to take away everything that's not actually necessary.
      It also helps anyone who's not formally trained and might not have such a strong base that you have for theory.
      And often, just the knowledge that a concept exists, and here's the short compressed version of it, is enough for many to realize they might want to explore and understand it more. :)

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  25 днів тому +1

      Well, sometimes it is actually good and reasonable to abstract to a high degree. Roman Numerals aren't bad at all - but often I witness some sort of "abuse". E.g. when I watch a random youtube analysis of Chopin's E Minor prelude and the whole thing is tagged with weird symbols, I just find this grotesque :DDD sometimes it just doesn't make any sense to apply this device and many people don't seem to reflect that as a fact. But when it's about V-I's - I'm all in hahah

    • @Mtaalas
      @Mtaalas 25 днів тому

      @@en-blanc-et-noir That's a reasonable way of looking at it :)

  • @timetoarrive
    @timetoarrive 26 днів тому

    That Bbm9 at 6:24 fucked me up

  • @Eyalkamitchi1
    @Eyalkamitchi1 26 днів тому +2

    I have no idea what you are talking about but I'd really like to - any books/things I can do to get to the good enough to understand wtf is going on?

    • @xrrainx823
      @xrrainx823 26 днів тому

      Harmony: Its Theory And Practice
      by Ebenezer Prout

    • @dyoneffcennedie2939
      @dyoneffcennedie2939 26 днів тому

      ​@@xrrainx823 is this your one size fits all book for (I'm guessing) a romantic style of harmony?
      Please send as many of these on as you know of I've been trying to find books like this for a while now

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  26 днів тому

      haha I'd say the basic harmonic procedures described in the video (e.g. reframing a D7 as Ger6+) are pretty much "off the shelf" and you should find it in any theory book that you can order at Temu (lol) ...what's usually missing in all that books is the strategies on how to actually stage an eventful harmonic situation - you probably noticed that it's not entirely "just about the chords". And that's one of the reasons why I do these videos.

    • @xrrainx823
      @xrrainx823 26 днів тому

      @@dyoneffcennedie2939 My main source is my ear, and how much listening and imitating it has done my entire life. Music is a language, and much like a language I believe it must be learned by imitation and ‘mouthing’ its words so to speak. Theory/harmony books just tell me how to use the ‘words’ I already know and what their ‘dictionary’ meanings are. (They are essential though, mouthing words only takes you so far). That being said, there are so many of them. Even Tchaikovsky wrote one!
      Look for treatises. Back in our favorite composers’ days, treatises were where all that information was. One that Chopin himself read was Cherubini’s treatise on counterpoint and fugue. There is also Fux’s Gradus Ad Parnassum which Mozart himself learned from. There’s very very many of them.
      However yes, that book contains almost all of Romantic era harmony and harmony in general. I like it because Prout takes the time to explain WHY things are the way they are instead of forcing you to memorize abstract concepts just because he says they’re important. He tells you the significance and lets you cement their importance in your own mind.
      However, like Mr Koch said in this thread, those books only give you the tools and tell you what they are used for but do not give you the experience of using them. You have to learn how to take them and sculpt a masterpiece on your own!

    • @xrrainx823
      @xrrainx823 26 днів тому

      @@dyoneffcennedie2939 There is also a useful course on Coursera called ‘Write Like Mozart: An Introduction to Classical Music Composition’. The commentary can be a little dry but he explains harmony and etc of classical era composition in a clear manner. Learning classical harmony is essential to learning romantic harmony. Classical harmony is what romantic composers learned and then bent to be ‘romantic’. If you want to sound like them, do the same thing!

  • @r4_in_space
    @r4_in_space 25 днів тому

    In a nutshell: modulate the hell out of the piece and land exactly where you began.

  • @Hyperkeks
    @Hyperkeks 26 днів тому

    Hättest du eine Buchempfehlung um bisschen in Musiktheorie reinzukommen (vorzugsweise auf deutsch)? Mir fehlen bisschen die Grundlagen um deine Videos 100% zu verstehen; Video ist aber wie immer Mega

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  26 днів тому +1

      Merci! Solide und gründlich: Harmonielehre Wiener Klassik von Wolfgang Budday. Für Barockmusik würde ich mir mal Derek Remes' Compendium der Modellsätze vornehmen, das müsstest du online finden. Das für mich wichtigste Buch war sicher Solfeggi, Bassi e Fughe von Holtmeier/Diergarten/Menke - ist allerdings nicht so richtig was für Greenhorns, das ist zwar als Lehrgang konzipiert aber eher ein Buch das eine Methodik entfaltet bzw. ein ganz bestimmtes Tonalitätskonzept darlegt. Vor allem die Textteile von Holtmeier sind ziemlich anspuchsvoll, da muss man selbst als völlig Eingefleischter manchmal schlucken... aber sicher das Beste und Umfassendste was zum Thema Barockkontrapunkt gegenwärtig zu bekommen ist.

    • @Hyperkeks
      @Hyperkeks 26 днів тому

      @@en-blanc-et-noir Vielen Dank, dass du mir das so ausführlich aufgezählt hast! Ich werde mir das definitiv mal anschauen. Wirklich vielen Dank :)

  •  26 днів тому +1

    Awesome stuff, but could use a few more pre-1750 examples 🤣

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  26 днів тому +1

      LOL I think I got one! Have you ever checked out Valentini's Sonata à 5? 1st mvt. echoes between G minor and B minor. There is at least one recording on YT, you'll find it.

    •  25 днів тому +1

      ​@@en-blanc-et-noir Haven't heard of it, but after looking it up... That piece is absolutely nuts! I love it! And yes, now it's the first one on my list of chromatic mediants in Baroque. And it's such an early piece, Valentini was Monteverdi's contemporary. Fantastic stuff. Thanks!

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  25 днів тому +2

      I feel 17th century vibes although it seems to be a little later. Hot take: 17th century is the CPE Bach among musical centuries. Let this sink in LOL

    • @en-blanc-et-noir
      @en-blanc-et-noir  25 днів тому +1

      And by the way, there is a Corellian practice that reoccurs frequently: half cadence in minor key and after that coming up with the relative major right away (E.g. g minor: D major-Bb major). I guess this is as well - at least a bit - about the sheer color, innit?

    •  25 днів тому

      @@en-blanc-et-noirGoing even further, one could say that in Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 between the second movement (which ends with a half cadence on a B major chord) and the third movement (which begins with a G major chord) is an example of a chromatic mediant. But I think that is pushing it a bit. 🤣

  • @jakubr4634
    @jakubr4634 23 дні тому

    I wish I could follow everything you are saying there but too much information per second… Good job anyway!