You crushed this interview, Joe. I know this was a huge guest for you to get, but I think you asked some great questions that allowed Sam to talk about things I haven’t heard him talk about before, and you also had some fun back and forth. Awesome and helpful pod!
I love this cast more than any other, but every time I listen to Sam, he bores the crap out of me. I just can’t get into him. Is it his monotone? I don’t know, but I can’t do it, Jerry.
@@JackiePrimeI guess I just find him boring and emotionless but I’ll give him a try. My favorite mental health ep was with Raanan also, he’s much more human and relatable
That last response about being present really hit home for me. If you can’t be happy right now, and are consistently chasing happiness, you will never make contact with your life. That is how I interpreted that for myself and I’m going to reflect on that more.
Joe List and Sam Harris, occupying the same video thumbnail is exciting beyond belief. I can not wait to sit and listen to this one intently. Amazing!!!
The reason that Sam is willfully misrepresented so often is actually a backhanded compliment....they believe he is more dangerous to their cause than most. This is the case because he is so well read, articulate, reasonable, principled and at turns very funny. If he goes after your cause/ideology he tends to do real damage.
it's because people don't like gray areas. they want black and white answers. everything about someone/something must be all bad. everything about the other side must be all good. anything else is too hard to many people, they don't want to believe it or listen because it takes mental energy and because it makes clear the fact that there are no easy solutions.
that was wonderful. Very grateful for all of Sam's podcasts. Somehow my biggest take away from this was I'm so happy for Joe. great ending. thank you both
What!!!! 🎉🎉🎉 Samuel Harris??? List, you beautiful bastard, you've hit a real milestone here. Loved your questions, but mostly your injections of levity. Would love to see him on w Mark to talk about SA like he suggested also lol 😂 I'm genuinely happy for someone else for the first time . This was great.
Congrats! Way to break new ground and pose genuinely new questions to Sam that we haven’t heard his thoughts on before, while adding humor along the way. Refreshing and insightful
Joe, what a wonderful conversation! The best interview I've heard with Sam Harris, you asked questions from the perspective of a genuinely interested, curious person on the meditation journey, as I think many of us are, who listen to him. Congratulations 🎉
I think if he got it out clean Sam would have had a chance to take it in and react but, with it being unexpected and unknown to him, and with Joe mumbling part of it, it didn't really hit unfortunately.
Man, talk about a wild surprise! So there I was, scrolling through UA-cam, and boom - I see you and Sam Harris having a chat. It felt like all my favorite things coming together at once! Honestly, you and Sams podcast are my sanity check, and this episode was no exception. The conversation was top-notch. It's not every day you get to see two of your heroes just chilling and dishing out wisdom. You both absolutely killed it, and I couldn't be happier to witness it. Just know, Joe, you've got a die-hard fan over here, especially when you swing by Detroit. I'll be front and center, cheering you on every time. How the hell did you get Sam? I mean you are getting big, but even I did not think you could pull that guru in. Just makes me love Sam more!! Great taste in comedians too! Good for you buddy!! Catch you at the next show!
I will listen to this multiple times. I have a hard time fully grasping "look for the looker" etc. (been using the Waking Up app for a few months now, long time fan of Making Sense) and I feel like Sam framed it here in a way that was a bit more nuanced than I'd heard before, which was helpful. You did a great job with this, Joe! The crack near the beginning about your other pod being about your dad's jizz really got things off to a no-holds-barred start, that was fun!
I register Sam what he is doing for years, I listen to Joe's standups for years and not his podcast, but only now Sam convinced me to listen to it and only now after years I am sold for the Sam's app thanks to Joe.. ultimate power rangers combo hit. didn’t see it coming
Thank you Joe List for introducing me to Sam Harris. You have helped me laugh and learn through hard times and I hope to one day see a show of yours live. Enjoy that beautiful family!
"Is anger useful now? Do I want to be motivated by this energy?" That hits home so much. This is why practicing mindfulness is so important to me, because that's difficult to realize in the moment. The more you do it, the easier you get to that realization that you can get off the ride whenever you want, as Sam puts it. Such a great episode
As a regular user of the Waking Up app and listener of Sam Harris as well as the various Joe List podcasts, this is unexpected and very pleasantly surprising. Let's go!
1:20 to add to this portion of the conversation; I’m a pianist, and I developed tendinitis in both my wrists at one point of my piano career ; I was running around to different doctors, desperately looking for relief from my tendinitis. I eventually met one Doctor Who told me he wanted to put me on antidepressants as a remedy… his explanation was: “ it’s not that you didn’t have a wrist injury, and the pain isn’t real; it’s that your psychological reaction to the pain isn’t allowing you to heal”. After a few weeks of antidepressants, my pain went away, and I was able to play piano again.
@pranzata That's the point, easier to get on than off. I'd go very slowly respecting your body reaction and stabilising before the next taper! Good luck!
Beautiful podcast Joe, I've listened to hours of podcasts with and by Sam and I still wasn't aware of some of the things you guys talked about here. Well done!
I guessed it! Been a fan of Sam Harris since the days before seeing his first appearance on JRE when it came out. He was my gateway into comedy podcasts, and thus into your comedy, Joe.
@@moralhazard1 Yes, on Tuesdays. I also remember Joe mentioning somewhere that he follows Sam's work. Not to mention, I saw Fourth of July and recognized Sam's voice through the speakers in that driving scene. 😄
Great interview! Nice to see the balance between seriousness and levity you bring to this. I've been following Sam for years, and you asked excellent questions that gave me extra insight into how he is looking at different things.
Amazing. Two of my favorite parasocial relationships colliding! But seriously Joe, you crushed this interview. Huge moment for the podcast. Congrats, dude!
This was a great interview…..I’ve never heard of Joe, and I loved the questions he asked. Joe you asked, pointedly, what I guess the common guy (me) wants to know from Sam. Sam you got down with us….the common guy working 8 hours a day and occasionally thinking about these things.
I have watched a lot of Sam Harris interviews and this is undoubtedly one of the best. You touched on many interesting topics I have not heard him speak about. Well done!
I've spent many years doing the self help thing, trying to find some way to make peace with my mind. Sam Harris and Waking Up (along with his books/ lectures) have helped more than anything.SO much love for this dude. Great interview.
Hey Joe, I just wanted to thank you for this interview. It felt like if I was interviewing him. You asked questions I've always wanted to ask him in a way that I would have asked them. Much appreciated.
I listen to these at work and during work I got mad at something to the point where my heart was pounding hard - even after I wasn't angry anymore! I started to get scared until I turned into the pod and surprisingly this episode helped me calm down a little! I think I owe it to Sam's breathing technique so thank you Sam!
Joe, you are speaking to an idol of mine and you asked him all the questions I would love to hear him speak more on (12-step, higher power, Eckhart Tolle, mind-body pain) I'm disappointed on Sam's view on Dr. Sarno's work. I would like to hear more of what has to say after investigating neuroplastic pain further.
Trying to finish this video but got to the point where you compare your podcast about talking about your father’s cum versus Sam and Sam got a good chuckle. And you aren’t trying to change who you are so much respect there. He’s such a great personality and doesn’t take him self to seriously he is super smart and a super nice guy.
Wow, didn’t even know about this guy and found myself nodding in agreement throughout this whole podcast. I feel better after just listening to this. There may be hope, thank you Joe! I’m checking out Waking Up pronto….bye bye Calm app.
I think you did an amazing job! You asked real questions. Many times I said aloud “that’s a good question!” Because it’s something I really cared to hear Sam opine on.
Great job Joe. I think you did great at asking general questions for those listeners that were not familiar with Sam and then some unusual questions that people familiar with Sam would like to ask. Bringing up topics like AA, Eckart Tolle, mind-body pain connections, therapy, etc. was really interesting. Mentioning the bad closer of asking about guru improprieties and how funny it was when Sam’s guest decline doing a guided meditation. Questions regular users of the app would be curious the hear. Looking forward to some day in the future where we get a second conversation and you get to ask more of those questions you didn’t have time for in this conversation.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Introductions. 24:00 - Meditation isn't easy, the Self, Dualism. 37:00 - Non Dualism. 39:51 - Suffering. 44:00 - Therapy. 52:35 - Alcoholism, atheism, and determinism. 56:21 - Starting again and Stoicism. 1:02:00 - Sam in conversations and life conduct. 1:12:15 - Meditation, bad actors, and compassion. 1:14:50 - Eckart Tolle and other things. 1:25:28 - PTSD. 1:30:20 - Meditation and health. 1:33:49 - Peace on Earth. 1:36:30 - Cancel Culture. 1:38:44 - Hope and Antinatalism. 1:45:10 - Happiness. 1:51:55 - My disappointment that Generic Subjective Continuity (Death) was not discussed in this conversation :-(
Likely the best Sam Harris Interview on the internet.
Thank you. Spread the word!
You crushed this interview, Joe. I know this was a huge guest for you to get, but I think you asked some great questions that allowed Sam to talk about things I haven’t heard him talk about before, and you also had some fun back and forth. Awesome and helpful pod!
I love this cast more than any other, but every time I listen to Sam, he bores the crap out of me. I just can’t get into him. Is it his monotone? I don’t know, but I can’t do it, Jerry.
@@AgendaInMind He's just long winded. You should watch his earliest stuff when he was sharper and more adaptive in his speech.
Sam Harris a respected and prolific writer, speaker and thinker of our times. Glad that you have discovered him
@@AgendaInMindHe probably evokes subjects that you are not interested in..
Holy shit Joe you got Sam! Congrats!
Sam’s voice just goes in one ear out the other. I can’t retain or understand anything he’s saying. Give me Raanan shouting & coughing all day lol
@@TJ-qn3cmsomething is wrong with you. he’s one of the clearest thinkers and speakers around.
@@JackiePrimeI guess I just find him boring and emotionless but I’ll give him a try. My favorite mental health ep was with Raanan also, he’s much more human and relatable
@TJ-qn3cm I love him but he is more of a slow growth on u thing
It’s so crazy dam Harris is here 😂😂
OMG. This was already my favourite podcast, and then you do this.
I bow to you Joe! This is epic!!
When worlds collide. Two of my most beloved podcasts: Making Sense and Tuesdays
You for sure have the Waking Up app too, correct?!
I would have thought I was the only one who listened to both of those podcasts. So different from each other but I guess there's a common thread.
@@moralhazard1I do! Useful tool.
This is a pretty weird crossover I wasn't ready for!
Ham sarris is an idiot
I think therefore I Sam. What a perfect guest, my two favorite people having a cool conversation!
>14:43 We are out of time
😂
Top tier stuff, Joe.
Joe you are a legend for this.
thanks Joe. I didnt know i needed to hear this.
I was under the impression Sam was gay
That last response about being present really hit home for me. If you can’t be happy right now, and are consistently chasing happiness, you will never make contact with your life. That is how I interpreted that for myself and I’m going to reflect on that more.
Feels as fresh as the great early years of podcasting again! Thank you Joe List ❤May you be happy, healthy and free of worry 🪷
It also never ceases to amaze me how funny and quit-witted Sam is, as well. This has been a great interview.
Joe List and Sam Harris, occupying the same video thumbnail is exciting beyond belief. I can not wait to sit and listen to this one intently. Amazing!!!
The reason that Sam is willfully misrepresented so often is actually a backhanded compliment....they believe he is more dangerous to their cause than most. This is the case because he is so well read, articulate, reasonable, principled and at turns very funny. If he goes after your cause/ideology he tends to do real damage.
Wow great point
Well said
Well put 👍
Sam is a heretic for many on the left and right.
it's because people don't like gray areas. they want black and white answers. everything about someone/something must be all bad. everything about the other side must be all good. anything else is too hard to many people, they don't want to believe it or listen because it takes mental energy and because it makes clear the fact that there are no easy solutions.
i don't think i've seen sam harris laugh so much before. two greats together. great ep
that was wonderful. Very grateful for all of Sam's podcasts. Somehow my biggest take away from this was I'm so happy for Joe. great ending. thank you both
What!!!! 🎉🎉🎉 Samuel Harris??? List, you beautiful bastard, you've hit a real milestone here. Loved your questions, but mostly your injections of levity.
Would love to see him on w Mark to talk about SA like he suggested also lol 😂 I'm genuinely happy for someone else for the first time . This was great.
Thanks to this conversation I now use the Waking Up meditation app every day. A month in and finding it hugely beneficial. Thank you Joe
Congrats! Way to break new ground and pose genuinely new questions to Sam that we haven’t heard his thoughts on before, while adding humor along the way. Refreshing and insightful
Joe, what a wonderful conversation! The best interview I've heard with Sam Harris, you asked questions from the perspective of a genuinely interested, curious person on the meditation journey, as I think many of us are, who listen to him. Congratulations 🎉
Sam Harris is the GOAT! Thank you Joe for this interview, Love this podcast!
You can tell how excited Joe was the entire time.
What a great cast!
Honestly one of the best interviews I’ve seen with Sam. Certainly among the top from the last two years. Much thanks Joe List! ✌️
I almost ended my life after Joe referenced that Eddie Vedder quote to complete silence
I think if he got it out clean Sam would have had a chance to take it in and react but, with it being unexpected and unknown to him, and with Joe mumbling part of it, it didn't really hit unfortunately.
My road it may be lonely, bc it's not paved. Eddie Vedder - Drifting.
This is unbelievable. I never thought the big guest would be Sam. Joe, you did better than you think. Love it!
Harris, welcome to the domain of the king of content !
The only podcast stranger I love more than Sam Harris is Joe List. This is such a treat. Thank you.
Man, talk about a wild surprise! So there I was, scrolling through UA-cam, and boom - I see you and Sam Harris having a chat. It felt like all my favorite things coming together at once! Honestly, you and Sams podcast are my sanity check, and this episode was no exception. The conversation was top-notch. It's not every day you get to see two of your heroes just chilling and dishing out wisdom. You both absolutely killed it, and I couldn't be happier to witness it. Just know, Joe, you've got a die-hard fan over here, especially when you swing by Detroit. I'll be front and center, cheering you on every time.
How the hell did you get Sam? I mean you are getting big, but even I did not think you could pull that guru in. Just makes me love Sam more!! Great taste in comedians too!
Good for you buddy!! Catch you at the next show!
I've always wanted to hear his answers in the context of AA!
You did an absolute bang up job, Joe. Very much appreciated
This is like your two best friends, from two different social groups, coming together for the first time and listening to their amazing conversations
Hell Yeah List!
Was 100% betting on Louis so what an absolutely fitting guest for this pod. My father’s gay!
I was guessing Kevin Hart, but also Louis lol
I would prefer that jew to this one
At least he’s a Jew 🤷♂️
Thank you for the high level input.
who is this louis, character?
THE KING OF CONTENT DELIVERS! 👑
I will listen to this multiple times. I have a hard time fully grasping "look for the looker" etc. (been using the Waking Up app for a few months now, long time fan of Making Sense) and I feel like Sam framed it here in a way that was a bit more nuanced than I'd heard before, which was helpful. You did a great job with this, Joe! The crack near the beginning about your other pod being about your dad's jizz really got things off to a no-holds-barred start, that was fun!
I register Sam what he is doing for years, I listen to Joe's standups for years and not his podcast, but only now Sam convinced me to listen to it and only now after years I am sold for the Sam's app thanks to Joe.. ultimate power rangers combo hit. didn’t see it coming
Thank you Joe List for introducing me to Sam Harris. You have helped me laugh and learn through hard times and I hope to one day see a show of yours live. Enjoy that beautiful family!
"Is anger useful now? Do I want to be motivated by this energy?" That hits home so much. This is why practicing mindfulness is so important to me, because that's difficult to realize in the moment. The more you do it, the easier you get to that realization that you can get off the ride whenever you want, as Sam puts it.
Such a great episode
Everybody is listening to this podcast.
As a regular user of the Waking Up app and listener of Sam Harris as well as the various Joe List podcasts, this is unexpected and very pleasantly surprising. Let's go!
1:20 to add to this portion of the conversation; I’m a pianist, and I developed tendinitis in both my wrists at one point of my piano career ; I was running around to different doctors, desperately looking for relief from my tendinitis. I eventually met one Doctor Who told me he wanted to put me on antidepressants as a remedy… his explanation was: “ it’s not that you didn’t have a wrist injury, and the pain isn’t real; it’s that your psychological reaction to the pain isn’t allowing you to heal”. After a few weeks of antidepressants, my pain went away, and I was able to play piano again.
Are you still on the antidepressants?
A good physiotherapist could have told you similar things without need for the meds
@@L0ND0NMAN I’m actually currently weening off them now after having been on them for 4 years ( was on 50 mg now I’m down to 6 mg )
@pranzata That's the point, easier to get on than off. I'd go very slowly respecting your body reaction and stabilising before the next taper! Good luck!
@@pranzata though, it seems you know what you are doing 😊
I’ll save this for before bed. I fell asleep at work
Joe, great job! Don't be so hard on yourself. Love Sam Harris!
Beautiful podcast Joe, I've listened to hours of podcasts with and by Sam and I still wasn't aware of some of the things you guys talked about here. Well done!
Wow! My two Dads are together! I’m so happy!!
Hellyea!!! Joe List, proving once again he is the undisputed King of content!
This was great. You made Sam laugh quite a few times. That's a hard task to accomplish. Congrats.
I guessed it! Been a fan of Sam Harris since the days before seeing his first appearance on JRE when it came out. He was my gateway into comedy podcasts, and thus into your comedy, Joe.
Haha yes was it on Tuesdays he said he's having a neuroscientist on, right? I was hoping and guessing Sam Harris too lol
@@moralhazard1 Yes, on Tuesdays. I also remember Joe mentioning somewhere that he follows Sam's work. Not to mention, I saw Fourth of July and recognized Sam's voice through the speakers in that driving scene. 😄
Great interview! Nice to see the balance between seriousness and levity you bring to this. I've been following Sam for years, and you asked excellent questions that gave me extra insight into how he is looking at different things.
Oh my God! That's one of the most unexpected and serendipitous moments ever experienced ❤ Thank you
This is dumbfounding, how is there an intersection between my favorite comedian and my favorite public intellectual???? Loved this!!!
Bonanafannafofaya.
Amazing. Two of my favorite parasocial relationships colliding! But seriously Joe, you crushed this interview. Huge moment for the podcast. Congrats, dude!
How ever many reach-arounds you had to give to get Dr. Harris on, was worth it, well done, thanks sam an joe
This was a great interview…..I’ve never heard of Joe, and I loved the questions he asked. Joe you asked, pointedly, what I guess the common guy (me) wants to know from Sam. Sam you got down with us….the common guy working 8 hours a day and occasionally thinking about these things.
I have watched a lot of Sam Harris interviews and this is undoubtedly one of the best. You touched on many interesting topics I have not heard him speak about. Well done!
I've spent many years doing the self help thing, trying to find some way to make peace with my mind. Sam Harris and Waking Up (along with his books/ lectures) have helped more than anything.SO much love for this dude. Great interview.
Hey Joe, I just wanted to thank you for this interview. It felt like if I was interviewing him. You asked questions I've always wanted to ask him in a way that I would have asked them. Much appreciated.
Omg can’t believe you made this happen joe, dream guest looking forward to this one 👊
Thank you Joe and Sam. You both are voices we need to hear
This might just be the best individual podcast conversation that I've ever come across❤
Wow. Super impressed, Joe!
Joe list bringing in the heat!!
what a gem, I have seen sam in many other contexts, Joe context is unique, glad this happened. Thank you both!
I listen to these at work and during work I got mad at something to the point where my heart was pounding hard - even after I wasn't angry anymore! I started to get scared until I turned into the pod and surprisingly this episode helped me calm down a little! I think I owe it to Sam's breathing technique so thank you Sam!
this is a universe crossover nobody expected but everyone needed!
Joe, you are speaking to an idol of mine and you asked him all the questions I would love to hear him speak more on (12-step, higher power, Eckhart Tolle, mind-body pain) I'm disappointed on Sam's view on Dr. Sarno's work. I would like to hear more of what has to say after investigating neuroplastic pain further.
Thankful for Mindful Metal Jacket. +A Sam Harris…. I truly believe Sam Tallent would also be a great guest.
Love ya Joe.. this was brilliant. Thanks.
Holy shit! Thataway Joe!!
Greatest crossover of all time!!!
I've been a huge fan of Sam for the longest time. Having Sam as a guest on my favorite comedian's [underrated] podcast is a dream come true.
From dads jizz to highest level philosophical discussion… fSam had to contain himself, Fkn awesome Joe 👍😁
Fantastic podcast Joe. I listened to the whole 2 hours in one go. You only made one father’s jizz joke. I’m amazed at your restraint
never knew Ben Stiller was so smart ❤️ this is a gem of a conversation 🍃 thank you Joe
Nice get Joey. Surprised you got my guy! Love his waking up app. Changed my life. Happy you got this and is the beginning of similar peeps
Trying to finish this video but got to the point where you compare your podcast about talking about your father’s cum versus Sam and Sam got a good chuckle. And you aren’t trying to change who you are so much respect there. He’s such a great personality and doesn’t take him self to seriously he is super smart and a super nice guy.
Fantastic podcast! Great job, Joe!
Great Episode! We really need another podcast with Sam Harris
What a pull! Love that for you Joe
Amazing pod Joe!!! What a get!!! Can’t wait for Sam to come back!!!
A huge get!! King of content crushing it. Listening now
great job joe...and good job on the plug at the beginning of the episode. see you at the regent in LA!! thx for coming out to the west coast
The king of content strikes again!!
Wow, didn’t even know about this guy and found myself nodding in agreement throughout this whole podcast. I feel better after just listening to this. There may be hope, thank you Joe! I’m checking out Waking Up pronto….bye bye Calm app.
thanks joe, I admire your courage as an inexperienced guy to boldly ask questions to an experienced guy. Takes balls! All be they tiny in your case :)
Great interview, Joe!!
my favorite sam harris quote is "any moment can be the most euphoric experience of your life" really makes you wonder.
I think you did an amazing job! You asked real questions. Many times I said aloud “that’s a good question!” Because it’s something I really cared to hear Sam opine on.
Great job Joe. I think you did great at asking general questions for those listeners that were not familiar with Sam and then some unusual questions that people familiar with Sam would like to ask. Bringing up topics like AA, Eckart Tolle, mind-body pain connections, therapy, etc. was really interesting.
Mentioning the bad closer of asking about guru improprieties and how funny it was when Sam’s guest decline doing a guided meditation. Questions regular users of the app would be curious the hear.
Looking forward to some day in the future where we get a second conversation and you get to ask more of those questions you didn’t have time for in this conversation.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Introductions.
24:00 - Meditation isn't easy, the Self, Dualism.
37:00 - Non Dualism.
39:51 - Suffering.
44:00 - Therapy.
52:35 - Alcoholism, atheism, and determinism.
56:21 - Starting again and Stoicism. 1:02:00 - Sam in conversations and life conduct.
1:12:15 - Meditation, bad actors, and compassion.
1:14:50 - Eckart Tolle and other things. 1:25:28 - PTSD.
1:30:20 - Meditation and health.
1:33:49 - Peace on Earth.
1:36:30 - Cancel Culture.
1:38:44 - Hope and Antinatalism.
1:45:10 - Happiness.
1:51:55 - My disappointment that Generic Subjective Continuity (Death) was not discussed in this conversation :-(
Thank you !
Yes!! Wow. Only know the guy from you. Excited for this one!
Nice one! As long as we aren’t talking American politics I can listen to Sam for hours🙂
Two of my favourite people. Amazing
In my own experience and seeing Sam through the years it seems to me that growing up never stops. Enlightenment is not an end game.
Thanks!
Awesome get Joe!!!
Fantastic episode, thank you Joe and Sam!
Omg this is such a huge guest. Congrats Joe 🎉
You're now my hero. Sam took your call. He agreed to do your podcast.
Congratulations!
Great job Joe! Proud of you!
Woah this isa HUGE get! So awesome...read his book it is great
Thank you
Thank you very much❤ this information end of this conversation is so incredibly helpful and guiding.