The "Weird" Melodies of Ancient Greek Music - feat. Aristoxenus
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Ancient Greek music theorist drinks too much tsipouro while talking about modes perceived as weird from a modern Western perspective.mp3
Sources:
• Ancient Greek Music: A New Technical History, Steven Hagel
• Ancient Greek Music, Martin L. West
• Microtonality in Ancient Greek Music, Michael Hewitt
• Hearing Greek Microtones, John Curtis Franklin: www.austriaca.at/0xc1aa5576%2...
Ancient Greek music theorist drinks too much tsipouro while talking about modes perceived as weird from a modern Western perspective.mp3
Sources:
• Ancient Greek Music: A New Technical History, Steven Hagel
• Ancient Greek Music, Martin L. West
• Microtonality in Ancient Greek Music, Michael Hewitt
• Hearing Greek Microtones, John Curtis Franklin: www.austriaca.at/0xc1aa5576%200x000a3647.pdf
Hey Farya,can you please give me the name of the song at 19:09?That song sounds great!
@@nihil_hd1598Armenaki, it’s Giannis Parios’ version and I also have one on the channel :)
@@faryafaraji Thank you!That's why it sounded so familiar
And proofs another time how Western and Oriental music are closer related than some would think. Thank you very much for this video.
@@faryafarajiyour Greek accent is so accurate. That is definitely great.
The greek accent 💀💀💀
Anyways im still waiting for the shah ismail symphony keep going
"The enχarmonic..." 😂
I’ve never known “arrogant drunk Greek” to be an existing trope (apart from listening to Plato’s Socrates, I mean 🗿) but I love it so much.
It's actually very accurate
It maybe sounds wrong to you but actually this is the proper pronouncing of words. Just because some people can't speak properly and they cut phrases and words in half, that doesn't also means that it's right.
Aristoxenus hijacks the channel to discuss the Phrygian mode and the Ionian mode because Aristoxenus _knows_ that as an English speaking French-Canadian, Farya will only discuss Depeche Mode.
LMAOOOOOOOO🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂
Dorian
I need exactly this.
He's a Greco-Persian!
Aristoxenus hijacks the channel to discuss the diatonic and the pentatonic because Aristoxenus _knows_ that as a hard drinking English speaking French-Canadian who smokes *it,* Farya will only contemplate the "catatonic."
pure diamond !!!
you can't possibly have such a good greek accent.. once I heard that λοιπόν I was sure I was hearing a compatriot..
Perhaps someone has already said it but I love that he chose the name Aristoxenos for himself (means “Perfect Foreigner”)
Your right! I didn't notice it! ...Well to be exact: Literally it means the FIRST Foreigner. ("Ariston" was the first meal of the day: breakfast) But the meaning of First is Best and the meaning of Best is Perfect or Excellent (He who excels or distinguishes himself so a similar shift in meanings happens in English and Latin as well) ....Farya here is playing the role of the famous grumpy Musicologist from the Hellenistic period. Farya refers to him quit allot in other videos. ...and as to what he was grumpy about.
aristoxenus was a real guy but it's a great coincidence
or "perfect stranger"
@@MYGAS21 the difference is that "breakfast" starts with a long A, and best with a short initial. One can speculate what the name started with.
Not sure but the word xènos refers to filoxénia=hospitality. Àristos means first in the meaning of "best". So i think Aristòxenos is the one who offers perfect hospitality
Only thing I have to say is that you absolutely nailed the greek accent without a doubt
He is not Greek?
@@thedevil1667 No, but even with a musician's ear, he'd need to go to a few hundred Greek weddings to mimic the accent that well.
@@thedevil1667 he is Canadian and Iranian.
BUT
if you look like a Greek and speak like a Greek, you are Greek. :D
@@thedevil1667No he isnt , but I am! And I can tell you he has nailed the accent 😂😂
@@macedonian_catholic_ φίλε νόμιζα μη ειρωνικά ότι είναι Έλληνας
Oxygen is indeed a Greek word. By Zeus's fire, you're right! Greeks did invent breathing.
Amazing video, φίλε μου.
Haha ευχαριστώ Luke!
"Bro, can we breathe yet"
"Nah, bro. Greeks havent invented it yet"
That's hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It means "acid maker"
Greek word but created by a French chemist (Antoine Laurent Lavoisier) in 1777
The greek accent is as accurate as if he was a native speaker 😭🙏🏼 Farya's performance of Aristoxenus is his greatest masterpiece yet
As a Spaniard, I understand better the greek accent than his normal accent
Οfc , whenever i go to Spain and i listen people talking , i think they speak some weird dialect of Greek. Especially , if i have a couple of drinks i swear i can listen Greek words in there! Hahahaha.
it must become a channel regular 😂
This is a great and fun music lesson, but the Delian League interstitial had me on the floor. 😂 Thanks Farya.
I was wondering if this was suddenly going to turn into an actual ad, for let's say Atlas VPN (note the Greek name, would be perfect), but no. It's strictly Aristoxenus being Athenian and robbing you.
Amazing to see that Aristoxenus mastered the Casio keyboard in 335 BC!
I’m both learning and dying of laughter. This is wonderfully educational! I’ve been searching for a video like this for a story I’m writing, and this could not have crossed my path at a better time! Thank you, Aristoxenus ❤
Aristoxenus is the typical old guy that says "Younger generation music is fucked up!" ,but in ancient Greece! :o
I was always into folk music and play folk instruments too, but you have inspired this greek black metal musician to delve into the ancient greek music with these videos, thank you brother!
What a nice person Mr. Aristoxenus is! And a true man of culture. Reminds me of my father
My condolences.
I am from Mytilene and i just joined the Delian League.
I feel super safe and I'm sure that nothing bad will happen to me!
Nobody would ever think of rebelling.
Hahaha...I am from Crete and I agreed so much with you about it.
Haha much love to Crete, the coolest Greeks as far as I’m concerned ❤
@@faryafaraji Thank you again for all your exceptional work Farya.
@@faryafarajiela more kopeli mou farayaki inta kanis?!?
Much Love from a Cretan in America! Great video!
Aristoxenus, why are you so hostile to Farya?
He seems a good guy for a barbarian...
The fact that you remained in character throughout, was hilarious. I heard my father-in-law as you claimed the invention of everything. 😂
Λοιπόν! You manage to sound like a Greek speaking English even to the eeeeh between words. Nothing less than amazing! Also, once more, I have to admit that I've never thought theory of music (or theory of anything, really) would be so diverting. I laughed so hard my frappé came out though my nose!
He isn't Greek? Μπρο It sounds so greek
@@thedevil1667 He's Assyrian
Man took the meme of the cretan farmer, the attitude of Aristoxenus on his last appearance and has brought forth perhaps his most well done character. I will say that I had to take physical notes more often on this video due to the sheer number of times I found myself unable to properly listen due to intense laughter; however I came also to realize that, unlike 1-2 years ago when I first stumbled upon your musical compositions and arrangements, I no longer find enharmonic or chromatic modes to be "disruptive" or "wrong", something that did put me off a few times on your greek, turkish, arabic and iranic compositions of the time because of my inherent "diatonic is the only way to make modes" bias. Fun to know that is no longer the case, ¡keep it up man!
Θα μας τρελάνεις τελείως ρε φίλε Φαρία!🇬🇷❤🇬🇷❤🇬🇷❤🇬🇷
Okay I'm like 6 hours into your channel and want to marry you 😂 you have literally answered so many questions that I would need a degree or private tutor costing thousands to access! Most underrated channel UA-cam!
Go Raibh Maith Agat!
Keep busting them western stereotypes 😍
You got me. I was thinking, "Oh, did he get Atlas VPN as a sponsor?".
Suddenly it's the Delian League and the Aristoxenus persona is running wild.
"But if, but if you have Greek music, you would have win but you lose."
"Lose? Lose where?"
"You lose. Why the heptatonic scale this, not *this*"
congratulations on your first sponsorship!!! I would leave all my money in the most capable hands of Greeks if I could 👌
Pity he didn't include any redim code. I would like to spend money but how to show the delian league that he sent me?
Just wanted to let you know in my French 101 class we had to write about our favorite francophone musician and I chose you. Cheers!
Oh wow! I’m honoured, merci!
I'm actually seething with anger watching you sit in the sun when it's 4 degrees outside my house and raining sideways.
Farya, you are giving away all our secrets :) Much love from an immigrant Cretan in Sweden. You are making me very homesick with these videos and I am getting a huge urge to buy a traditional instrument and start playing.
That is the very best and most entertaining music tutorial I ever saw. Thank you very much for all your effort.
I can here the love and passion you have for music and history and teaching through this perfect act and accent. Great job
Brilliant! A wonderful blend of music theory, history, humour and satire. Thank you.
Acquiring a perfect repertoire of phonemes and intonation of a language without actually speaking said language. Reminds me too much of myself.
I absolutely love it when you go for these grumpy trash-talking music theorists, never fails.
***PULL OUT MY GLOCK 45***
btw, being a fan (and former student) of ancient Assyria (notwithstanding Aristoxenus' eventual objections), I would love for you to explore mesopotamian music in your compositions - if ever you feel like it of course!
Thank you for your amazing work ^^
Perhaps its a sign I've been listening a bit too much of your stuff on repeat I've just started signing along at 16:53 "Adam Xsayarsah, Xayah, Thyia Haxamanyshya!"
Anyway, thank you Artistoxenos for the ever insightful commentary.
Wow I’m honoured haha, I didn’t think people would recognise my melodies 😂 Thanks
I'm really glad that I've found your channel by chance, your musical pieces are a gift from heaven and bring a lot of peace to my mind.
Everything about this channel is great 👍🏼
I love your videos and your Greek accent!!! 😂
I’m currently learning Byzantine music and I learned that it traces back to the modes in Ancient Greece. There are 8 modes and they have names like Dorian, Phrygian etc., which are not the same as what western music calls them. You’re right, they did screw up the names! 😂
You have a passion for what you do that very few content creators have. Your videos are very interesting and your effort pays off!
I just want to say, as someone who is currently learning greek, your music and lyrics have REALLY helped me practuce reading and understanding the rich history of the culture alot more!
Id write Thank you in greek, but I dont have my keyboard in greek lol
So glad to have found your channel sir
Perfect Greek accent and appearance! Hilarious video!
Great video and explanation!!! Thank you Farya
I thought Farya will never be making funny stuff again
I love your work
Странное дело - с таким акцентом я удивительно хорошо стал понимать английский. Это замечательно! XD
И понятие октав тоже, кстати.
It’s a strange thing - with such an accent, I began to understand English surprisingly well. This is amazing! XD
And the concept of octaves too, by the way.
thius channel must fire Farya and make Aristoxenus the permanent one 🤣
Ok, this, THIS is the funniest thing I have ever seen today. I want more videos in this format. I had a bad fever today but this made my mood. Thank you brother.
Thx . This is really useful. I recognize it now. Some songs are full of it. This is what makes Greek music so intriguing. Feels like something mysterious.
Brother Souvlakis back at it with another Fire video!
Excellent Greek accent! And I learned a lot about music. As always. Keep up the good work!
You are amazing my friend, keep the vibes up👏👏👏
I love Armenaki!!! Loved that you showed it at the end.
You’re so funny! I love this video so much. I’ve been teaching myself Byzantine chanting for two years and understanding the modes are so central your lesson is by far the best and finally helped me get a handle on it! I’m studying Greek too and your jokes crack me up!
DUDE! I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL
For me, Byzantine and Balkan music that you make are sound the best and please make some more! All the best, appreciate your work!
Farya, a question for you if you read these. I study and chant 'Byzantine' (Greek/Antiochian Orthodox) music. We have Eight Tones in four scales that we call Enharmonic, Diatonic, Soft Chromatic, and Hard Chromatic. Do you know what the equivalents of these would be in the music you're talking about?
Hello ! I've read many times the work of Aristoxenus about music of his time, and yes: he mentions (and gives the notes for) hard and soft chromatic modes. Interesting to learn these terms still exist in Byzantine music :)
Yeah so the terms themselves have survived but the meanings are effectively completely different and mean different things today. Those Byzantine modes are basically rearrangements of the tetrachords of Ancient Greek modes, but they’re functionally divided and categorised on completely different grounds than the ancient ones :)
@@faryafaraji Gotcha, I kinda figured. What would their equivalents (or closest approximation) be in the ancient terminology?
Appreciate the answer, love your music!
@@IoanCenturion The thing is that the rearrangement of the modes into the Octoechos is so fundamentally different from that of Ancient Greece that I don’t know if equivalents can be drawn between the categories as a whole.
Instead, one is better off isolating each scale and finding the equivalent there, so from an Ancient Greek’s point of view, Agni Parthene would be in a mixture of Dorian Diatonic and Phrygian Diatonic, while Ti Ipermaho would be Ionian Diatonic with slight chromatic alteration.
Of course, the musical material is largely the same. Same tetrachords and notes, only rearranged in a fundamentally different conceptual and terminological framework
@@faryafaraji Makes sense. Thanks for sharing the knowledge, keep making your awesome music!
Excellent work!!! Μπράβο ρε μάγκα!
This guy is unbelievable! Best music channel!
Great lesson, one can only hope to find a multitude of pizzas in every octave. Thanks Aristoxenus!
The michrophone is a Rode, of course. They removed the "H" for barbarians, more easy to pronounce. And it's only one microphone, so without "S" at the end.
Between Häagen Dasz and Røde, the latter takes the cake by a mile for having the more authentic-sounding faux-Scandinavian name (Häagen Dazs looks distinctly Eastern European), but they didn't do a great job at emphasising it: almost like they did a Metal Band Classic and only added the Ø because of the aesthetic.
Awesome, as always!!!!!
I love your content!
great video man! cheers
Farya..your video, your music, your knowledge, your information, your thoughts and ideas as well as your presentation are undoubtedly great !! You seem to have a plethora of "Γνώση" (knowledge) on the subject and an immaculate "Γνώμη" (opinion) the two uppermost qualities of the ancient Greek philosophers! So, forgive me to say this, but I get the unmistakable impression that you must have really been a reincarnation of a Greek genotype in a modern and surely sophisticated Persian phenotype! Great Respect!
Faryos Faryatzopoulomatakis
I LOVE YOUR CONTENT AAAA
It takes a lot of talent to speak English with a Greek accent.
it takes more talent for an ancient greek to speak modern english 🤣
This is genuinely the funniest video I've seen this year.
Almost channeling Critical Drinker by the end there 😂 Great video Aristoxenos!
Funny and educating! Also, your accent is really Greek! Hopefully we''ll see similar videos about other music traditions!
I love all the extra commentary.
Aristoxenus is back to explain the Sass Mode
The best mode there is
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Aristoxenus I will join your expedition to sicily
Please bring back Aristoxenus - his voice makes me feel good
Brilliant! You have nailed the greek phyche man!
Immediately subbed the quality and humor is amazing, Love from saudi arabia
The best sponsor message ever, hahaha
didnt find music interesting in school, but this is really interesting. love these videos. any plans to make music about the akinji raiders for a future turkic music piece? a fast paced song with the beat of galloping horses sort of like the argimak attar song you did several months ago, but with some persian and anatollian elements I think could be really great.
You became JonTron again around the 6th minute. XD
Very nice video, btw. Very educational. Great!
Fun fact alot of people always remark that it looks like JonTron when I do these gestures, and that kind of intonation/gesture at the 6th minute is very Iranian, and JonTron’s part Iranian so I think there’s a connection there haha
@@faryafaraji Oh, god, you are probably right. This is the third eye opening moment. The Farya Jafari moment if you will. XD
This is the best music lesson ever ❤
Hello Farya Faraji I am a big fan of yours
You sang many languages new as epic but if you would also use ancient aramaic songs or prayer as epic version how would it sound to you? Maybe as a new idea
The boldest sponsor I've seen in a long while
Great video, I am totally unfamiliar with musical theory but you made everything simple amd understandable! Could you maybe someday do a video about the music of Crete?
I laughed my ass off at the "sponsor of this video" bit. 😂
Our great _Socrates the son of Souvlakis_ has returned!
Unhinged Farya is the best Farya
SUBSCRIBED. HIT THE BELL. YOU ARE EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDS!
Love the humor 😂
Man what you done here is so amazing, best satire of greek mentality ever!!!!! greetings from patras, greece
Aristoxenus sounds like a mixture of Slavoj Zizek , Tony Soprano and a greek guy.
Απίθανος, εύγε και ευχαριστώ για την γνώση.
Bravo. Brilliant. Authentic
These types of videos gave me such a broader view when composing, I cannot even compose in major anymore lol
But one thing I tried to grasp when trying to put your music into a traditional sheet, but I failed. How do you approach melodies when composing a new song, especially those with microtonality? Do you improvise on an instrument or sing whatever comes to your mind and orchestrate the melody later? or do you go for a more "mechanical approach" thinking about which note or chord should be played at a certain moment? or you have a secret technique?
Replying so I see the reply.
Most of my original melodies have a mostly folk-ish kind of basis so I tend to just fiddle around on my instruments, find a basic melody that can serve as a foundational guideline for the rest of the composition, and mostly improvise on top of that. I myself can't read any kind of notation so I mostly work on an improvisational basis, both for the microtonal and non microtonal ones, which I don't distinguish between.
In any case, I'm super honoured these videos can help inspire you with composition! Thanks so much!
Amazing video! Very informative and entertaining. One question: which is the song at 18:44? Thank you!
bro i would love to hear a full song of that diatonic lyra
Ok... now tell me that man is not Greek (Cretan, even) masquerading as an Iranian in Quebec.
Farya, you are amazing!
I am late to the party but a little something about microtonality. In music schools in Greece kids are taught microtonality, and in almost every traditional instrument that can support it. For example in the oud you get to learn and practice it a lot. There are also lessons of byzantine music which also teaches you the theory of it and how to sing and read the music. Although it is a bit hard for a lot of people who arent trained in the traditional way. I remember as a kid, even though I was good in byzantine music, I despised it and didnt pay much attention. Now that I 've grown a bit I get goosebumps when I listen to it and I also sing it a lot to my wife (I freestyle it) and she gets irritated after a while :P
19:20 Well presented! Good point!
Those vocals near the end are beautiful.