The fact the browning high power did not even receive and honorable mention is criminal. Throw that sweet piece of Belgium performance art in a shoulder holster under an Armani two button and the prince of Monaco will be impressed with the lines of your suit.
IMO, the BHP is one of the best semi auto pistols ever made, and I agree, why it wasn't on the list is disappointing. I guess it's because the round count is too high cause it sure isn't due to quality and shootability.
I agree. My Hi-Power Practical, with the two-tone look, is my dress gun in a black X-15 shoulder holster. Tuxedo ready. Should have been on the list...
The MR73 is my dream revolver, hearing that gign story of air france when I was little was nuts, those are the best of the best operators. Peak of the mountain. And that gun is a perfect PERFECT revolver, no dumb shit, just rock solid and beautiful.
Iirc, they even had one version of that or another revolver fitted with a telescopic optic.... Now this might sound like some dumb call of duty loadout, but it was specifically to be used as a mini-sniper rifle inside very long corridors of very big buildings. GIGNs are crazy.
An odd pitch here, but I'd submit the 1908 Colt Pocket Hammerless. It's in a solid calibre, it's a really sleek, nice looking piece. Not a bad trigger either. I recently inherited one with polished stag horn grips made in 1914. It is one of my "Suit Guns"
Honestly, someone could remake that gun today with the grips bored for higher capacity to create a fully-functional modern carry pistol with classic looks. It’s the exact same size as a P365XL.
For " Gangster Cred " Colt 1908 ( .32 or .38 not sure ) was the pocket pistol John Dillinger had in his hand drawn from pocket when he was killed in Chicago after leaving the Biograph Theater, sold out by the woman in Orange. Good consideration
The HK P7 is still used by LEOs in Bavaria, Germany. Since they're not built anymore, the government started distributing the SFP9 in 2018 but the P7 is still around, especially with detectives who carry concealed.
@@Error_404_Account_Deleted Some people just like it and can afford it. They know it's not a good value but just want it anyway. I haven't met someone who incessantly talks about the HK P7. But the hobby is not much different than any other hobby in the ego department. The smug collector is always there to justify their purchase. A true enjoyer would say, "Yeah it's outclassed by other pistols 1/4 the price but I like it." That's most P7 owners realistically
@@cameronbuckner254 I've always wanted one..One of my favorite handguns of all time..Such clean lines and super compact...Not to mention a John Browning design.
When I bought my first tuxedo I took my Walther PPK/s with me to the fitting. When they saw my shoulder holster they were impressed. Yes, I carried a gun at my wedding and my son carried it as well at his.
Absolutely! Me too! And a Walther PPK/s is also one of my three Tuxedo guns. Though at my wedding I carried a Browning Model 1955 .380 handed down by my grandfather. The Browning 1955 is the US marketed version of the John Browning designed FN Model 1910. Really classy and sleek little handgun. And yes, I wore it to the fitting for the tuxedo. As I have for every tuxedo fitting since then. I'm not a fan of shoulder holsters for weddings though. I'm usually going to take my coat off, so I prefer a clip on, leather IWB holster that can hide (at least mostly) under a vest or cummerbund. And I usually don't wear IWB holsters either, but for tuxedos I make an exception.
@@jantschierschky3461 no it's not a "low cost" manufacturer. Ist sitting more at the medium to high spectrum of costly gun makers. When you show up with a SP5 or Mk23 on the range, you're the unicorn and people who uses the G28 or MR308 are the "flexers"
@@Jebotito well I use to be S4 in the German army and I can tell you for a fact H&K was the lowest cost manufacturer. Yes it is expensive to purchase in the US, however in Germany it was a low cost manufacturer till the 2000s. For example the G3 did cost about USD90.00 in 84, MP5 about $100.00, P7 $120.00. VP70 $20. So low cost manufacturing expensive sold in the US
Even before a full review, when you see the shooting montage in the beginning, you can sometimes tell how reliable a gun is by how James looks at it when he runs empty. Sometimes he so quickly brings the gun up and looks right in the ejection port, as if he's done it a dozen times already. Whereas with more reliable examples, when he runs dry, he hardly even looks at the gun, because "of course" it's empty, and not jammed. He's looking at his target or boasting for the camera. It's an interesting little observation, and you can sometimes sniff out how a review will go just by the beginning cumpliation of James shooting. ^_^
"No. 5 gotta be the Walther PPK, I love this piece of shit!" And we love you James, making TFBTV thrive one deadpan one-liner at time!! 🍺To 7 years of bringing our American Gun Gala worldwide!!!🎉
I have been watching James too long. I was able to name the manufacturers in order and 5 of 6 of the models specifically before he announced them.This was a great video.
@@tfbtv I reported the guy James but the guy under my original comment with your same screen name telling me to text something to that number just tried to scam me. I feel like a idiot luckily I didnt fall all the way for it. I reported him. Just thought I would let you know.
I don't know if you are gonna read this or not but the PPK reliability, ammo jamming is quite easy to fix. Just check the inner slide release break. Once that part becomes rounded - it jams, because it works as a case ejector as well. So, those are two things in one - case ejector (it hits the case out while the slide goes back) and slide lock. Just a couple of minutes of file working, make the edges of the ejector/slide release sharp and it's ready to go! Not sure if what I wrote was clear? Anyways, greetings from Serbia!
I'm getting married in New Orleans in September. Been thinking of what to carry that day. Was thinking the Walther ppks, Taurus gx4, Glock 43x, but need more ideas. That Beretta 84 cheetah is looking real nice. Perfect video for me.
“Tuxedo guns” Me: *Confused Hillbilly noises* Also fun fact, we found a HK P7 on a target in Afghanistan in the Hindu Kush near the Pakistani border.. NO clue how that pistol found it’s way there but I bet it’s a hell of a story. It was definitely not taken off target in someone’s dump pouch
As a guy that had to carry in suits a few times I thought this was a pretty good list. Although I never got anything on this list. If you haven’t carried in a nice tailored suit I will warn you that patterning is a major problem. A short barrel isn’t nearly as important as the width so most double stack are out, you can’t leave your suit unbuttoned or everyone thinks your either drunk or a body guard (which if your a body guard may be what you want), so a suit with only the bottom two buttons necessitates either a vertical carry shoulder holster, or if the taper on the suit isn’t too tight a small of the back IWB kind of works. Like women’s clothing most suit pockets are mostly not intended to be used except the hip pocket and the inside pocket, but the inside pocket patterns badly. So pocket carry is an option only with small thin pistols in squared off holsters that pattern like a wallet. You can also cut down on patterning with a heavier suit material like wool but just know it will be HOTTER than hell. By the way. If you are going to be carrying in a suit, just tell your tailor beforehand. You’ll be surprised how not surprised the tailor will be even in libtard establishments. They get it all the time and will even sometimes lisp out a few questions about model and carry method. They often will also then guide you to the more moderately priced suits knowing that your likely a body guard, protective services, or some slightly above poor who still can’t afford Nancy Pelosi security.
Hi James, I can tell you are a highly-educated lawyer who speaks English with authority and eloquence. A pleasure to watch and learn from. Keep it up mate.
I have to admit, I was about to say you were wrong for putting a revolver in the #1 spot.... until I saw it. The Manurhin MR73 is like the "Playboy Centerfold of wheel guns." But it's not just sexy, it also possesses a level of badassery! (Now I need one!!) ;-)
I loved the True Lies reference in the beginning. That was a great movie. I'm still kicking myself for not purchasing a stainless Sig 232 when I could.
I’ve shot a friends HK P7 and it was a very accurate & nice shooting gun. Expensive AF if you can find one but guaranteed to be a conversation starter. Now I’m gonna go on a limb here and suggest a Kahr K9 stainless as the poor man’s tuxedo gun. Solid steel, night sights, costs just under a grand & looks good.
How dare you exclude the Rohrbaugh R9. A tiny 9mm with European style heel magazine release, no sharp edges, totally overpriced and made in the good ol' USA. Now that's a tuxedo gun.
I love all your videos. They tend to be very eductional and a little entertaining. I am thrilled that this was extremely entertaining and a little educational! Keep up the wonderful work!
Must make a pitch for the Beretta 70s, in .380. Has been trusted companion for decades. Only modification needed was swapping out issue thumbrest grips for Turkish walnut to make it comfortable in either hand. "The Contessa" (I don't care what cat name Beretta hung on it) can go anywhere and, no matter which tux I am wearing (what, you only have one?), its sleek shape slides into place.
I agree and vote for the Beretta 70s, in 380. I bought mine in 1974, and will never sell it. I also ordered Turkish grips. Feels great in the hand and shoots great.
@@skeltonslay8er781 I was thinking between the PCR or the rami If I was going to include a 75 and I think that the Ramy just fits a little better because it's closer in size to a lot of the .380s
The Rami, Sig P938, Kimber Solo, and arguably S&W CSX are the only modern guns I can think of that belong on this list. The Rami is definitely deserving of the title, though.
@@sartorialdriver6528 it's such a beautiful shooter too I changed the baseplates on my 10 round mags to the Hyve extension to get the +3 and a full grip and now it shoots like a dream and still less footprint than the factory 14 round mags Also I'd add the Sig P224 but only the SAS model without a rail
I've carried my P7 in a dress suit (shoulder holster) and have also carried a Browning BDA .380 --a closed slide version of the Beretta 84- in an IWB holster. The Browning is nickeled and the P7 is polished chrome, both make great 'tux guns'.
Great video. A S&W made Walther PPK was my first purchase, and a Sig P232 was my second. Both fit the bill perfectly. Classy looking, even if somewhat underpowered in comparison to newer guns.
You crack me up James with your PSA trash talk. I’ve been a proud PSA owner for years, but last night my cheapness hit an all time low…. I walked into sportsman’s and walked out with a new Hi Point Carbine for $266! Ahaha
Ya I didn’t agree with him using an after market mag for the review. I’ve seen a million other videos of them working great. It’s like ak47’s, I’ve had 2 that jammed like crazy but when you watch UA-cam it’s like the best gun ever! Lol. I only trust what I know from experience.
@@Blackpowderdad It was an "aftermarket" mag that hipoint sent with the gun. He didn't go out and get the mag himself, the manufacturer provided it. Also, it literally broke the firing pin, extractor and the front sight post after a couple hundred rounds lol.
Ya cause he was throwing the gun around and didn’t even clean the gun first! I’ve worked at a factory, people need to clean their guns before they shoot them, no matter the brand I always find metal shavings and thick axel grease crap in the barrels. Just cause some one makes intertwining videos doesn't make them an expert.
@@Blackpowderdad It's almost like he was testing it or something. I've also never had a gun break it's firing pin and extractor from brand new just because it wasn't cleaned. Never heard of it either. Why? Because good guns don't do that lol. If it's so fucking fragile that less than 200 rounds without it being cleaned will cause multiple catastrophic failures, then it is literal garbage.
20+ years ago I did extensive traing with the H&K P7 & was not let down on accuracy or reliability. The down side is it gets HOT and stays HOT when you train like we did. No problems from hot summer dust & sand to below freezing & one ice pond giving way and submerging me briefly.
I carry a PPK everyday, usually in jorts or jeans and a sleeveless shirt, its one of the new production ones so it does function. It's not the most modern thing but it's super nice and easy to carry. I'll move to something more "powerful" when someone volunteers to take a .380 to the chest and walk it off.
380 will kill the crap outta somebody...Idk why some people think it's not sufficient...With good defensive ammo and proper shot placement it's definitely nothing to sneeze at...Not to mention they are usually so small you can conceal them almost anywhere on your body and almost forget it's there...I wouldn't carry anything less powerful than a good quality 380 or 38 special but it's definitely enough gun for two legged predators if you do your job of putting effective shots on target.
@@PHOTOGRASPER if you’re that good a shot, fair play. The range targets aren’t charging at you and are moving in a straight line. An attacker? They usually will be erratically moving and moving quickly. IMO at least 10 rounds of 9mm is a must but just my two cents. I’ve seen meth heads take 6 or 7 center mass shots and still keep coming. Better overpowered and not need it than vice versa but again just my opinion
I would also add for your consideration: Mauser HSC HK Mod. 4 Flex time! I own a P7 and a Mauser HSC and the P7 is just too heavy for tuxedo carry. The HSC with beautiful wood grips would fit the bill very well.
When I read the title of this video, the P7 immediately came to mind, glad he included it. As far as tuxedo guns go, this is certainly the ultimate flex.
Damn literally called out my truck first. I was happy laughing watching this video bc tuxedo guns just make me laugh and smile and then you had come calling me out like that!!
May I suggest the Bond Arms Bullpup 9? Pricey, needlessly complex, a bit freaky, and great looking. Just like the companion one might seek to meet at a tuxedo event.
Good choices all. The MR73 is too big for a tux gun though a strong argument can be made that it is the best revolver in the world . As for the P230, nice choice. Less slide bite compared to the PPK and better ergonomics. X Files fans will remember that Dana Scully carried one for a while though its not FBI issue.
Glad to see the P-210 on the list. A friend has one and I've shot it a bit. The best fit, finish and trigger on any factory semi-auto pistol I've ever handled.... And the MR-73 is unmatched. The best double action revolver ever produced.
I'm going to be controversial. Makarov for tux carry. It's got the looks of a Walther with the reliability of an AK. My East German Makarov has an absolutely gorgeous bluing.
Great gun, tough-as-nails, but more of a butler's or bartender's gun. Maks just don't scream "high society". The only exception is within Russian oligarch circles where you just know the owner totally killed a guy with it before the wall fell.
Own, have owned, or shot everything on the list except the MR73 so I must be classier than I thought. Still wouldn't be caught dead in a maiter d' monkey suit! That said, I was disappointed the Seecamp didn't make the list.
It doesn’t have the mirror finish or “million rd durability” of the Manurhin but I’d put the Nighthawk Mongoose 357mag as a honorable mention for a “tuxedo revolver”. 👍🏻
Don't forget about the Walther PPK Com-bloc knockoffs. Radom P-64 FEG P-63 Makarov PM They're cheap, light, and reliable. I carried my P-64 for years and actually loved shooting it.
"Harry, seconds count buddy ditch the bitch!" I absolutely love your movie references. Excellent list as well. I've got a P232 and a Fort Smith PPK and enjoy them both, another classic fixed barrel tux gun could be the early war produced Mauser HSC. Early on they had much better bluing and finishing/machining
When you mentioned "tuxedo guns", I was expecting, but did not see the ASP pistol on this list. It was used by James Bond in some of the newer novels. It was featured in the Mike Grell graphic novel series, James Bond: Permission to Die. Smooth Teflon coated surface with unique single piece "guttersnipe" sights. Non-European.
Taurus owners!? Taurus gets the job done, and leaves enough money in your pocket for 750 rounds of ammo. Excellent and informative video James. The Sig P232 has always been a dream gun for me.
Another excellent foray into the world of tuxedo guns. Glad to see that the MR73 took the top spot on the list - that finish alone is divine. I really wanted to love the Interarms PPK/s I purchased used a few years ago - it fit my hands incredibly well and it was just beautiful in nearly every sense of the word. But its obscene double-action trigger weight, poor ergonomics, and how literally painful it was to shoot just made it completely unenjoyable for me. Also, as an honorable mention for the list, I'd love to see the Kahr K9 on there. It has good looks, metal construction, and helped spur onward the conceal carry, single-stack market in the US.
@@benjamin3290 I couldn't believe how much 380ACP hurt my hand out of the Walther - it got to the point where I didn't want to shoot more than two or three magazines out of the thing at the range. I ended up selling mine and replacing it with a new production 22LR PPK/s. It's not as nicely finished, and the trigger is a bit mushy, but it's a hell of a lot more pleasant to shoot, and I still get to appreciate its classic lines.
@@benjamin3290 I'm still holding out hope that they'll get around to releasing a proper, well finished 22LR PPK/s sometime, hopefully with the original style small beavertail. I'd buy one again in a heartbeat.
With the Beretta I’d actually say the 86 - basically same gun but has a novelty tip up barrel, generally don’t have surplus wear, and some of them have fancy gold lettering/ trigger/ hammer. With wood grips those things ooze class
I kind of expected to see a Kahr K9 on the list based on your description of a tuxedo gun. All metal, check. Expensive, check. Impractical conspired to the modern competition, check. Sexy beyond reason, double check.
I really enjoyed the video. I had a 1911, Kimber which I got rid of. I paid over $1,200 of the Kimber. Cleaning the 1911 was a pain in the neck. I could not get accuracy from the gun. Probably my deficiencies as a shooter. I wanted a .45 ACP pistol, so I purchased the K&H USP. The K&H works for me so I'm a happy camper.
We need a top 5 Adidas track suit guns episode.
They’re all gunna be AK variants with maybe a Makarov tucked in somewhere.
Tokarev tt33 pistol, Makarov
CZ 75, Norinco Model 213A, CZ 82/83, Makarov PMM
Tec 9
With all due respect… I support this idea!
The fact the browning high power did not even receive and honorable mention is criminal. Throw that sweet piece of Belgium performance art in a shoulder holster under an Armani two button and the prince of Monaco will be impressed with the lines of your suit.
I came here for this exact comment. Especially a Stainless version.
IMO, the BHP is one of the best semi auto pistols ever made, and I agree, why it wasn't on the list is disappointing. I guess it's because the round count is too high cause it sure isn't due to quality and shootability.
i would buy a browning hi power. jebus that man could design a g
I agree. My Hi-Power Practical, with the two-tone look, is my dress gun in a black X-15 shoulder holster. Tuxedo ready. Should have been on the list...
Agreed. The Hi Power is the most lethal of all tux guns for the monster capacity of its era!
James has gotten so good at these they're a blast to watch.
The MR73 is my dream revolver, hearing that gign story of air france when I was little was nuts, those are the best of the best operators. Peak of the mountain. And that gun is a perfect PERFECT revolver, no dumb shit, just rock solid and beautiful.
Iirc, they even had one version of that or another revolver fitted with a telescopic optic.... Now this might sound like some dumb call of duty loadout, but it was specifically to be used as a mini-sniper rifle inside very long corridors of very big buildings. GIGNs are crazy.
@@Narcan885 Scope and a bipod too. Forgotten Weapons has a video on it if you haven't seen it yet.
Not a tuxedo gun….too large but a beautiful revolver.
An odd pitch here, but I'd submit the 1908 Colt Pocket Hammerless. It's in a solid calibre, it's a really sleek, nice looking piece. Not a bad trigger either.
I recently inherited one with polished stag horn grips made in 1914.
It is one of my "Suit Guns"
Got a fn 1906 made in 1912. If it isn't a 100 years old it isn't classy
Honestly, someone could remake that gun today with the grips bored for higher capacity to create a fully-functional modern carry pistol with classic looks. It’s the exact same size as a P365XL.
Definitely, I have a mint one made in 1932
Yeah, they're pure sex.
For " Gangster Cred " Colt 1908 ( .32 or .38 not sure ) was the pocket pistol John Dillinger had in his hand drawn from pocket when he was killed in Chicago after leaving the Biograph Theater, sold out by the woman in Orange.
Good consideration
The HK P7 is still used by LEOs in Bavaria, Germany. Since they're not built anymore, the government started distributing the SFP9 in 2018 but the P7 is still around, especially with detectives who carry concealed.
They're great for hipsters who like paying too much to look cool.
@@Error_404_Account_Deleted Huh? Mine has been concealed for twenty years. No one sees it.
@@Error_404_Account_Deleted people who s*** on HK can't afford HK
@@Error_404_Account_Deleted Some people just like it and can afford it. They know it's not a good value but just want it anyway. I haven't met someone who incessantly talks about the HK P7. But the hobby is not much different than any other hobby in the ego department. The smug collector is always there to justify their purchase. A true enjoyer would say, "Yeah it's outclassed by other pistols 1/4 the price but I like it." That's most P7 owners realistically
@@Chironex_Fleckeri Oh, really?
Someone should remake the 1908 hammerless but with modern capacity, since it’s the exact same size as the P365XL.
As someone who loves my 1903 Colt Hammerless, I couldn't agree more!
Oh, my God. Yes.
@@cameronbuckner254 I've always wanted one..One of my favorite handguns of all time..Such clean lines and super compact...Not to mention a John Browning design.
Didn't the cylinder and slide shop make a scaled up version in 45acp long ago. Anyone else remember that? Haven't had my coffee yet
Finally found a use for .30SC
When I bought my first tuxedo I took my Walther PPK/s with me to the fitting. When they saw my shoulder holster they were impressed. Yes, I carried a gun at my wedding and my son carried it as well at his.
Absolutely! Me too! And a Walther PPK/s is also one of my three Tuxedo guns. Though at my wedding I carried a Browning Model 1955 .380 handed down by my grandfather. The Browning 1955 is the US marketed version of the John Browning designed FN Model 1910. Really classy and sleek little handgun.
And yes, I wore it to the fitting for the tuxedo. As I have for every tuxedo fitting since then. I'm not a fan of shoulder holsters for weddings though. I'm usually going to take my coat off, so I prefer a clip on, leather IWB holster that can hide (at least mostly) under a vest or cummerbund. And I usually don't wear IWB holsters either, but for tuxedos I make an exception.
Sounds totally reasonable and necessary
My bespoke suit was fitted while carrying my Glock 26 for my wedding. I get it.
@@a_legitimate_salvageIf you don’t have a tuxedo gun at your marriage, then why even marrying ?
@@a_legitimate_salvageIt's like wearing a Swiss watch; you're not properly dressed without it.
“Why the P7 is the most expensive handgun in the world”
Amazing marketing. Even in the 80s HK loved to flex on the poors.
HK absolutely destroys the competition
The weird thing so is in Germany H&K is classified as a low cost manufacturer. Walther, Sig-Sauer, Mauser are the expensive ones.
The P7 is overrated.
@@jantschierschky3461 no it's not a "low cost" manufacturer. Ist sitting more at the medium to high spectrum of costly gun makers. When you show up with a SP5 or Mk23 on the range, you're the unicorn and people who uses the G28 or MR308 are the "flexers"
@@Jebotito well I use to be S4 in the German army and I can tell you for a fact H&K was the lowest cost manufacturer. Yes it is expensive to purchase in the US, however in Germany it was a low cost manufacturer till the 2000s. For example the G3 did cost about USD90.00 in 84, MP5 about $100.00, P7 $120.00. VP70 $20. So low cost manufacturing expensive sold in the US
Great video. Thank you for this erudite and coherent discussion of handguns that are generally not found undercover in Wal-Mart or Cracker Barrel.
Even before a full review, when you see the shooting montage in the beginning, you can sometimes tell how reliable a gun is by how James looks at it when he runs empty. Sometimes he so quickly brings the gun up and looks right in the ejection port, as if he's done it a dozen times already. Whereas with more reliable examples, when he runs dry, he hardly even looks at the gun, because "of course" it's empty, and not jammed. He's looking at his target or boasting for the camera. It's an interesting little observation, and you can sometimes sniff out how a review will go just by the beginning cumpliation of James shooting. ^_^
@@bcamp6088 The scammer is gone now. Just so anyone knows, b camp wasn't referring to me.
@@mtgAzim thanks, I deleted it
I would like to see the most honorable Jerry Miculek in a Tuxedo. My top choice is the Sig 230 cuz I dun got udder Sigs yo.
@@John..B ,
or by how sore his throat is and how full his pockets are.
"No. 5 gotta be the Walther PPK, I love this piece of shit!"
And we love you James, making TFBTV thrive one deadpan one-liner at time!!
🍺To 7 years of bringing our American Gun Gala worldwide!!!🎉
Yeah James, time to get a new PPK. It's been brought into the 21st century for use with JHP rounds.
@@somethingsmith3242 Indeed, he needs a new fort smith ppk/s.
I have been watching James too long. I was able to name the manufacturers in order and 5 of 6 of the models specifically before he announced them.This was a great video.
Never too long mi amigo
@@tfbtv I reported the guy James but the guy under my original comment with your same screen name telling me to text something to that number just tried to scam me. I feel like a idiot luckily I didnt fall all the way for it. I reported him. Just thought I would let you know.
@TFBTV
I got a reply in the comments for this video from someone with your avatar, but a different username. They said I won a contest. Is this legit?
@@andyhenderson441 no probably not they tried to scam me this morning about got me.
@@andyhenderson441 if it don't have the gray check mark it isn't the real tfbtv. The dude is a piece of shit, whoever it is.
I don't know if you are gonna read this or not but the PPK reliability, ammo jamming is quite easy to fix. Just check the inner slide release break. Once that part becomes rounded - it jams, because it works as a case ejector as well. So, those are two things in one - case ejector (it hits the case out while the slide goes back) and slide lock. Just a couple of minutes of file working, make the edges of the ejector/slide release sharp and it's ready to go! Not sure if what I wrote was clear? Anyways, greetings from Serbia!
I'm getting married in New Orleans in September. Been thinking of what to carry that day. Was thinking the Walther ppks, Taurus gx4, Glock 43x, but need more ideas. That Beretta 84 cheetah is looking real nice. Perfect video for me.
The Taurus isn’t classy at all.
De classè…
Arms unlimited has the Cheetah on sale
Kimber Micro
Baby Browning in 25acp
Tisas Faith 13 is a Cheetah clone that's around $400
“Tuxedo guns”
Me: *Confused Hillbilly noises*
Also fun fact, we found a HK P7 on a target in Afghanistan in the Hindu Kush near the Pakistani border.. NO clue how that pistol found it’s way there but I bet it’s a hell of a story. It was definitely not taken off target in someone’s dump pouch
Finally capitalized on my _Gentleman's Carry_ concept.
Well done Mr. Reeves.
Stay *_classy_* my friend.
As a guy that had to carry in suits a few times I thought this was a pretty good list. Although I never got anything on this list.
If you haven’t carried in a nice tailored suit I will warn you that patterning is a major problem. A short barrel isn’t nearly as important as the width so most double stack are out, you can’t leave your suit unbuttoned or everyone thinks your either drunk or a body guard (which if your a body guard may be what you want), so a suit with only the bottom two buttons necessitates either a vertical carry shoulder holster, or if the taper on the suit isn’t too tight a small of the back IWB kind of works. Like women’s clothing most suit pockets are mostly not intended to be used except the hip pocket and the inside pocket, but the inside pocket patterns badly. So pocket carry is an option only with small thin pistols in squared off holsters that pattern like a wallet. You can also cut down on patterning with a heavier suit material like wool but just know it will be HOTTER than hell.
By the way. If you are going to be carrying in a suit, just tell your tailor beforehand. You’ll be surprised how not surprised the tailor will be even in libtard establishments. They get it all the time and will even sometimes lisp out a few questions about model and carry method.
They often will also then guide you to the more moderately priced suits knowing that your likely a body guard, protective services, or some slightly above poor who still can’t afford Nancy Pelosi security.
How do you hide and not print like crazy the rather sizable .357 magnum wearing a tux?
how much cocain usage is required before posting here?
@@mrl3285 It's not a hard requirement but it never hurts to be 1980s wrestler coked out.
@@iakazul
belly band
Shoulder holster
Ankle holster
I would also add the Walther P5, particularly the P5 Compact. Small single-stack 9mm made in Germany and expensive.
Had one, loved it. Great pick.
@@tfbtv had?
I sure hate to sell guns, especially TUX GUNS 😅
Yep. I agree. That's my tuxedo gun.
Ask the Dutch police about their p5's and the swell times they had ...
@@merlijnwiersma7801 what would they say?
James, you just rock; Period. Thanks for all of the informative and amusing vids. You are greatly appreciated! Sparks in Daytona
Did 5.11 finally release a line of tactical tuxedo’s?
Bullet proof? Would buy. :)
I always thought the Mauser HSc was a another Walther PPK or PPK/S alternative that doesn’t get much love. It definitely looks the part of a Tux gun.
I agree, IMO, the most beautiful mouse gun ever. Also love slamming the mag home automatically works the slide forward.
I hate that intro because i am both a Taurus owner and have a PSA Upper… he’s got me tagged
Surprise intervention
Choking like David Caradine? I’m impressed at the subtlety of that reference, I’d hit the like button twice if it let me for that chuckle. Fun video!
Was expecting the P7 to be number 1. Good list none the less. Glad to see more of the Beretta 84
Hi James, I can tell you are a highly-educated lawyer who speaks English with authority and eloquence. A pleasure to watch and learn from. Keep it up mate.
I have to admit, I was about to say you were wrong for putting a revolver in the #1 spot.... until I saw it. The Manurhin MR73 is like the "Playboy Centerfold of wheel guns." But it's not just sexy, it also possesses a level of badassery! (Now I need one!!)
;-)
Simply superb, James. A fine-as-hell list. No one else would give the Cheetah this kind of recognition. Only masochists carry polymer-framed.
My god I love the HK p7, especially with a Nickel Finish with wood grips.
I'm about to put some cocabolos on my stapler.
Hop's top 3:
Taurus TCP
Keltec pf9
Bersa Thunder 380
Incorrect, it would be
Glock
Glock
Glock clone thats decent enough
Thanks to your first in depth mr73 vid, I ordered one to compliment my G Wagon. Thank you for these great and informative videos!
I loved the True Lies reference in the beginning. That was a great movie.
I'm still kicking myself for not purchasing a stainless Sig 232 when I could.
I’ve shot a friends HK P7 and it was a very accurate & nice shooting gun. Expensive AF if you can find one but guaranteed to be a conversation starter. Now I’m gonna go on a limb here and suggest a Kahr K9 stainless as the poor man’s tuxedo gun. Solid steel, night sights, costs just under a grand & looks good.
You read my mind, with the Kahr K9. Although, at over $900, I wouldn't call it the poor-man's anything (well, you're poorer after you buy it).
I loved shooting the P7 until I got to the last 2-3 magazines of a 50 round box. That frame gets hot.
Hell yeah aren't those made by moonies? Delightfully odd.
I had a chance years ago to buy a like new one for $400.
How dare you exclude the Rohrbaugh R9. A tiny 9mm with European style heel magazine release, no sharp edges, totally overpriced and made in the good ol' USA. Now that's a tuxedo gun.
I love all your videos.
They tend to be very eductional and a little entertaining.
I am thrilled that this was extremely entertaining and a little educational!
Keep up the wonderful work!
By far the classiest conceal and carry pistol is a silver framed flintlock Scottish dueling pistol
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Must make a pitch for the Beretta 70s, in .380. Has been trusted companion for decades. Only modification needed was swapping out issue thumbrest grips for Turkish walnut to make it comfortable in either hand. "The Contessa" (I don't care what cat name Beretta hung on it) can go anywhere and, no matter which tux I am wearing (what, you only have one?), its sleek shape slides into place.
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I agree and vote for the Beretta 70s, in 380. I bought mine in 1974, and will never sell it. I also ordered Turkish grips. Feels great in the hand and shoots great.
I understand that you specified Western European...
But the CZ 2075 Rami definitely belongs on this list.
I don’t know if the rami is good looking enough for this list, but it’s still a solid pick
@@skeltonslay8er781 I was thinking between the PCR or the rami If I was going to include a 75 and I think that the Ramy just fits a little better because it's closer in size to a lot of the .380s
@@ohnoitsandrew9538 yeah, but a 75 is a classic
The Rami, Sig P938, Kimber Solo, and arguably S&W CSX are the only modern guns I can think of that belong on this list. The Rami is definitely deserving of the title, though.
@@sartorialdriver6528 it's such a beautiful shooter too
I changed the baseplates on my 10 round mags to the Hyve extension to get the +3 and a full grip and now it shoots like a dream and still less footprint than the factory 14 round mags
Also I'd add the Sig P224 but only the SAS model without a rail
I've carried my P7 in a dress suit (shoulder holster) and have also carried a Browning BDA .380 --a closed slide version of the Beretta 84- in an IWB holster. The Browning is nickeled and the P7 is polished chrome, both make great 'tux guns'.
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I'd love to see a video on the holster options for those tuxedo guns!
There's probably almost nothing both classy and ready made for any of these. You'll have to go custom
you overlooked the hi point. I coated mine with some leftover bathroom wall paint. it looks great with my brown plaid tuxedo.
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That list is good, especially the number 4 and 1... Ian is probably smiling at that number 1 pick. 🇫🇷
Great video. Don't know if you knew this, but James Bond also carried the HK P7, in the John Gardner 007 novel 'Icebreaker'.
The Beretta is my choice for sure. I have 32ACP model.
Wish I bought an 81bb when I had the chance
Great video. A S&W made Walther PPK was my first purchase, and a Sig P232 was my second. Both fit the bill perfectly. Classy looking, even if somewhat underpowered in comparison to newer guns.
You crack me up James with your PSA trash talk. I’ve been a proud PSA owner for years, but last night my cheapness hit an all time low…. I walked into sportsman’s and walked out with a new Hi Point Carbine for $266! Ahaha
Ya I didn’t agree with him using an after market mag for the review. I’ve seen a million other videos of them working great. It’s like ak47’s, I’ve had 2 that jammed like crazy but when you watch UA-cam it’s like the best gun ever! Lol. I only trust what I know from experience.
@@Blackpowderdad It was an "aftermarket" mag that hipoint sent with the gun. He didn't go out and get the mag himself, the manufacturer provided it. Also, it literally broke the firing pin, extractor and the front sight post after a couple hundred rounds lol.
Ya cause he was throwing the gun around and didn’t even clean the gun first! I’ve worked at a factory, people need to clean their guns before they shoot them, no matter the brand I always find metal shavings and thick axel grease crap in the barrels. Just cause some one makes intertwining videos doesn't make them an expert.
@@Blackpowderdad It's almost like he was testing it or something. I've also never had a gun break it's firing pin and extractor from brand new just because it wasn't cleaned. Never heard of it either. Why? Because good guns don't do that lol. If it's so fucking fragile that less than 200 rounds without it being cleaned will cause multiple catastrophic failures, then it is literal garbage.
UA-cam is full of unmarried childless men arguing over which $2000 gun is better than the other! Ahahahahaha
My "American-style" tux gun would be my Sig p938. Grip options can make it look super classy, it's small, reliable, accurate, and 9mm. Love it.
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20+ years ago I did extensive traing with the H&K P7 & was not let down on accuracy or reliability.
The down side is it gets HOT and stays HOT when you train like we did.
No problems from hot summer dust & sand to below freezing & one ice pond giving way and submerging me briefly.
"Choking like David Carradine" LMAO, I almost choked on that one!! Keep up the good work, you're a wealth of knowledge!
I carry a PPK everyday, usually in jorts or jeans and a sleeveless shirt, its one of the new production ones so it does function. It's not the most modern thing but it's super nice and easy to carry. I'll move to something more "powerful" when someone volunteers to take a .380 to the chest and walk it off.
380 will kill the crap outta somebody...Idk why some people think it's not sufficient...With good defensive ammo and proper shot placement it's definitely nothing to sneeze at...Not to mention they are usually so small you can conceal them almost anywhere on your body and almost forget it's there...I wouldn't carry anything less powerful than a good quality 380 or 38 special but it's definitely enough gun for two legged predators if you do your job of putting effective shots on target.
Try taking down some meth head with one and you’d prob have a problem. You’d have to go walking dead style and aim for the head
@@Romanus- fill that sucker with .380 Underwood Xtreme Defenders or Federal Hydrashok Deeps. All problems solved
@@Romanus- Mozambique? 2 center mass, and one up top. Should do the trick.
@@PHOTOGRASPER if you’re that good a shot, fair play. The range targets aren’t charging at you and are moving in a straight line. An attacker? They usually will be erratically moving and moving quickly. IMO at least 10 rounds of 9mm is a must but just my two cents. I’ve seen meth heads take 6 or 7 center mass shots and still keep coming. Better overpowered and not need it than vice versa but again just my opinion
Thanks!
I would also add for your consideration:
Mauser HSC
HK Mod. 4
Flex time! I own a P7 and a Mauser HSC and the P7 is just too heavy for tuxedo carry. The HSC with beautiful wood grips would fit the bill very well.
The HSc is an awesome gun. It is my favorite .32acp and I have several.
Or the Luger P08, it's the classiest pistol ever made.
I commented on same before I saw this.
When I read the title of this video, the P7 immediately came to mind, glad he included it. As far as tuxedo guns go, this is certainly the ultimate flex.
“Your Montblanc wallet with a rubber ring worn into it”
First legit laugh out loud moment I’ve had in a while
P230/232 or P7M8
I hadn't watched the vid before commenting. List is perfect. Video is perfect.
HK needs to make a modern version of the P7M8/M13!
Absolutely!!!
I choked on my coffee when you said " the walther ppk, I love this piece of shit" 😂😂
I somehow knew he was going to chose the MR73 after he said it checks all of the boxes and is the most expensive. I want one so bad!
Damn literally called out my truck first. I was happy laughing watching this video bc tuxedo guns just make me laugh and smile and then you had come calling me out like that!!
May I suggest the Bond Arms Bullpup 9? Pricey, needlessly complex, a bit freaky, and great looking. Just like the companion one might seek to meet at a tuxedo event.
@@bcamp6088 I reported them.
And it comes with free subversion of your country with every order :-)
6. Beretta cheetah 84
5. Walther ppk
4. Sig p230
3. HK p7
2. Sig p210 carry
1. Mr73 Revolver
Good choices all. The MR73 is too big for a tux gun though a strong argument can be made that it is the best revolver in the world . As for the P230, nice choice. Less slide bite compared to the PPK and better ergonomics. X Files fans will remember that Dana Scully carried one for a while though its not FBI issue.
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This is one of the greatest videos I've ever watched.
I love the PPK/s.
I never heard of that revolver, but gat dang it! Now I need one!
The only thing to bring to the Nakatomi Corporation's Christmas party is always the Beretta 92.
Always enjoy your comments and your entertaining approach
I feel like at this point James is deliberately ignoring the P99 on these Bond-esque videos.
A polymer framed tuxedo gun? Not a chance.
His number 1 was a cold hammer forged revolver XD
Wonderful video! I love the creative take. You've earned my subscription
what are the chances this tux that he keeps breaking out is one of those really expensive bulletproof ones. James loves harassing poors.
Glad to see the P-210 on the list. A friend has one and I've shot it a bit. The best fit, finish and trigger on any factory semi-auto pistol I've ever handled....
And the MR-73 is unmatched. The best double action revolver ever produced.
I'm going to be controversial. Makarov for tux carry. It's got the looks of a Walther with the reliability of an AK. My East German Makarov has an absolutely gorgeous bluing.
CZ 82 in a proper finish and with wood grips will give any of these guns a run for their money in aesthetic
Ocelot may disagree...
Great gun, tough-as-nails, but more of a butler's or bartender's gun. Maks just don't scream "high society". The only exception is within Russian oligarch circles where you just know the owner totally killed a guy with it before the wall fell.
@@BeingFireRetardant snake…SNAAAAAKE
Rental tux
This artist is so cold blooded and brutal when it comes to insulting puns.
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Own, have owned, or shot everything on the list except the MR73 so I must be classier than I thought. Still wouldn't be caught dead in a maiter d' monkey suit! That said, I was disappointed the Seecamp didn't make the list.
Just thought of that one too. 😆 I saw some videos about the seecamp and it's on my wtb list
Awesome list! I have been looking for a video like this! But what about the Kimber micro 9?
Car cd player with anti-skip!!
That Beretta on start looks soo nice...typical Italian gun.
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It doesn’t have the mirror finish or “million rd durability” of the Manurhin but I’d put the Nighthawk Mongoose 357mag as a honorable mention for a “tuxedo revolver”. 👍🏻
I own a Walther PPK/S in .380, and I've never had any jams with it, but I've also never ran HP ammo yet either.
James thanks a lot. The only thing that suck about the MR73, is that is from 73. Have we made a serious good since in France ...? 😢
Just got back from palmetto ordered my upper can't wait to get my car radio and it only cost me 800 dollars thanks James!
Feel like the Colt Python could’ve been an honorable mention.
It really happened Mr. Sig Glock went wheel gun for #1 awesome list love the humor and honesty thanks for another great video
Don't forget about the Walther PPK Com-bloc knockoffs.
Radom P-64
FEG P-63
Makarov PM
They're cheap, light, and reliable. I carried my P-64 for years and actually loved shooting it.
They're fine, effective guns but the first adjective you used in describing them puts them outside the scope of this video
@@borkwoof696 makarov pmm looks fucking amazing
The Bersa Thunder 380 Combat Plus, the poor man's tux gun.
@@Rassy545 The CZ 82 is a classier looking alternative to the Makarov PMM.
I just bought a 84bb after watching this video. Damn you James! Lol. Keep up the great work and I will keep watching.
"Harry, seconds count buddy ditch the bitch!" I absolutely love your movie references. Excellent list as well. I've got a P232 and a Fort Smith PPK and enjoy them both, another classic fixed barrel tux gun could be the early war produced Mauser HSC. Early on they had much better bluing and finishing/machining
Brilliant channel. Thanks for the laughs and great info.
I feel like my P08 Luger should be in here somewhere.
When you mentioned "tuxedo guns", I was expecting, but did not see the ASP pistol on this list. It was used by James Bond in some of the newer novels. It was featured in the Mike Grell graphic novel series, James Bond: Permission to Die. Smooth Teflon coated surface with unique single piece "guttersnipe" sights. Non-European.
Taurus owners!? Taurus gets the job done, and leaves enough money in your pocket for 750 rounds of ammo. Excellent and informative video James. The Sig P232 has always been a dream gun for me.
I carry a new German Walther PPK in a pocket holster. It’s way better than my S&W made PPK I also own.
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Another excellent foray into the world of tuxedo guns. Glad to see that the MR73 took the top spot on the list - that finish alone is divine. I really wanted to love the Interarms PPK/s I purchased used a few years ago - it fit my hands incredibly well and it was just beautiful in nearly every sense of the word. But its obscene double-action trigger weight, poor ergonomics, and how literally painful it was to shoot just made it completely unenjoyable for me. Also, as an honorable mention for the list, I'd love to see the Kahr K9 on there. It has good looks, metal construction, and helped spur onward the conceal carry, single-stack market in the US.
@@benjamin3290 I couldn't believe how much 380ACP hurt my hand out of the Walther - it got to the point where I didn't want to shoot more than two or three magazines out of the thing at the range. I ended up selling mine and replacing it with a new production 22LR PPK/s. It's not as nicely finished, and the trigger is a bit mushy, but it's a hell of a lot more pleasant to shoot, and I still get to appreciate its classic lines.
@@benjamin3290 I'm still holding out hope that they'll get around to releasing a proper, well finished 22LR PPK/s sometime, hopefully with the original style small beavertail. I'd buy one again in a heartbeat.
Fallen in love with MR73. Very elegant.
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Does it have skip protection?
Excellent selections 👍🏻👍🏻
With the Beretta I’d actually say the 86 - basically same gun but has a novelty tip up barrel, generally don’t have surplus wear, and some of them have fancy gold lettering/ trigger/ hammer. With wood grips those things ooze class
You missed the Walther TPH. Very reliable and concealable.
My Sig 938 is my "James Bond " piece...Absolutely love it,..I can Ankle carry,.IWB,.or pocket...Very Versatile,.Accurate and Deadly
9mm Walther p-5 Compact is my tuxedo gun. James Bond (Sean Connery) carried a P-5 in "Never Say Never Again".
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I kind of expected to see a Kahr K9 on the list based on your description of a tuxedo gun. All metal, check. Expensive, check. Impractical conspired to the modern competition, check. Sexy beyond reason, double check.
I really enjoyed the video. I had a 1911, Kimber which I got rid of. I paid over $1,200 of the Kimber. Cleaning the 1911 was a pain in the neck. I could not get accuracy from the gun. Probably my deficiencies as a shooter. I wanted a .45 ACP pistol, so I purchased the K&H USP. The K&H works for me so I'm a happy camper.
Close but, rubber grips should immediately disqualify a gun. Seecamp .32/.380 should be on this list
Fair point
Or a Rohrbaugh R9 in 9mm with the carbon fiber grips
Was waiting for this kind of Art, that this Video is.