I would have preferred to listen without the sub hooked up. That being my only issue, thank you very much for playing these. I have been considering the 3 way set for my next build.
thought this too, then noticed the amp was different as well. and the mids had no reinforcement, either. so it wasnt really apples to apples. the 6.5's bass should have been able to stand on its own, but in the end i think the last demo wasn't supposed to be a comparison play. more like 'here's a decent system you could do with these four parts'
@@Jduc750 True, but it still helps to hear how speakers sound in a room and from different angles, certain differences still comes across in comparisons.
Man. Those late 90’s German MB Quart components with the soft aluminum cones were the absolute best sounding car audio speakers EVER. $500ish dollars IIRC. The crossovers required an amp rack they were so big.
They were very clean sounding . But I liked the smoothness of the soft dome teeets of Boston Pro lf , Rockford , and Sony - all from back in the day 💪😎👍
Those German MB Quart speakers are surprisingly still available from German Maestro, the original build house. Had to help a buddy track down some replacements a few years ago, very nice people to deal with.
Sounds pretty good to me. Actually made me dig out my old MB Quart Crossovers and I'm old school too. I keep all the old boxes and everything so I can store them and not have to worry.
@@justkiddin1980 @Anthony Berry It would be interesting to do a direct A/B comparison between these D4S 3-ways and the *SONY Mobile ES XS-163ES* 3-ways that are On Sale right now at Crutchfield for $100 OFF. The Sony's are still $100 more, but I bet that extra $100 is well worth it for the difference in real world performance. ;)
@@bbfoto7248I would put my money on Sony. Biggest mistake people make is putting these in doors. All the speakers need thier own designated space. Small boxes with enough space to breathe and play. Plus stiff for less vibration. If installed into doors you need serious fabrication and ALOT of sound dampening
I grew up with Polk soft dome silk tweeters, so that has always influenced my listening preferences. I had some Boston Acoustic dome tweeters back in the day, wish I had never sold those gems. Great vid, Big D!
@@julesbruchez-theartofgrapp9646Focal, Seas, Scanspeak, Hertz, Audison, German Maestro, Hybrid Audio. There are still plenty of high quality speakers available for the car audio segment.
Just my opinion, but all of the tweeters seemed pretty bright and "tizzy" to me. 🤷♂️ But I agree that it would have been good to hear some female vocals to see if there was any sibilance and how natural and lifelike (or not) they sound.
I used to have realistic horn tweeters in the '80's that were inexpensive but loud and very clear. I hate that I sold them and unfortunately could not buy any more of them 😒 The sound quality was incredible. At that time they were about $8.00 a piece. Straight from Radio Shack.
Parts Express has inexpensive stuff like that, and most of the reviews are from true enthusiasts. I’ve gotten a dose of nostalgia building cheap setups that sound awesome.
The common, inexpensive horn tweeters of the 1980s-ish were generally products sold by Motorola, and later by CTS. Used in all kinds of stuff, with different lenses for different applications, for decades -- although usually only systems that were intended to be able to play very loudly. They're unique in that they are examples of "good" piezos. Interesting little buggers that can sound quite nice if properly used, with broadly interchangeable components between models. They ultimately got driven out of the market by stupid-cheap clones that mostly just kind of suck.
I completely agree the Silk Dome are the best sounding, I miss them so much but I was killing them at a rate of a pair every 3 months and it was getting too expensive so I now run 3 inch compression drivers which sound so harsh but seriously loud and are rated for 100w rms and its been 3 years so far without a failure. My rear components have silk dome and have survived 2 years so far, they are kicker and i might see about buying just the tweeters and seeing if those will survive in the front :)
I am running a JP 10.4 on my highs and mids. I am still running the factory tweeters until I figure out where I am going to put my Crescendo tweeters. I can't believe I have not hurt the factory tweeters at all. And they are from 2006. I am waiting for the day that they just stop working. That would probably be a good thing, because that would push me to put in my Crescendo tweeters. 🤷🏽♂️
Man I absolutely love that blue acrylic specker box you have, if you ever want to part with it let me know. Love your videos. D4S has been killing it lately.
I just bought and installed a pair of RECOIL SAM65 components, it's there top line and on sale, were anyway... not only do they look sexy as hell with a perimeter cast frame around the gold motor and gold tweetet but they sound awesome. They have a -3db/0db/+3db jumper on the beautiful crossovers
Agreed with another poster the Boston pros specifically .4's in the early to mid 90s were the GOAT titanium domes with tangenital surrounds and ridges to stabilize the cone. Legendary Quart 19's also but were piercing highs.... ADS Soft domes were also a reference back in the day.
Silk dome here as well. I love loud music, but want silky smooth. Silk is way more forgiving at peak volume. Using some polk 6.5 2 ways right now and love them. Some of the metal domes sound amazing when they are set up properly.
The 3 way components look pretty good and compared to some other brands the price isn't too outrageous but for my money you cannot beat CT Sounds Meso 3 way components. I caught them on sale for $199.99 and bought 2 sets they are hands down the best sounding speaker system I have ever owned. I have them powered by a CT Sounds 150.4 amp and a set of NVX VSP4 and DS-18 mid bass for rear fill ran off of another CT Sounds 150.4 amp along with some NVX VCW124 subs on an NVX 2700.1 amp subs are ran through an Audiocontrol Epicenter then everything goes through Audiocontrol DM-608 and I can be going 90 mph on the interstate with windows down in my truck and can hear the music perfectly as can anyone driving close to me. I have it all packed into a 1997 Chevrolet Silverado K1500 extended cab. It took a lot of fiberglass work and fabrication to keep the stock look. I made kick panel pods and fiberglassed my door panels. I made a custom 2 1/2" rear seat lift kit to make room to fit a custom fiberglass sub box under the seat. The 4" speakers in the rear went into the spot that held the stock 4×6 speakers and I made fiberglass enclosure to hold DS-18 mid bass speakers and reshaped the rear side panels with fiberglass to blend those enclosures into the side arm rest areas on both sides. It kept me from losing my mind during the covid lockdown.
Idk I had one of the CT Sounds Meso 2 way sets and they were just so/so to me. They sounded alright but not great. Glad you're happy with yours though. It's hard to buy these online only company speakers because you just never know what they sound like.
I’ve been looking for speakers for my truck And these Down for sound speakers have really got me thinking they have a lot of features I like and you can’t beat the price point.
"This is for you, I don't really care about getting free speakers" Yeah right... Hahaha! Whatever you say Dig D.... I'm calling bullshit on that one. Getting free audio gear sent to you to play with is a dream come true!
The sticky material for sticking things is butyl mastic. It's used to hold the grille into the speaker ring. It's shit messy stuff. It melts on a hot summers day. I haven't seen that shit come with speakers since the 2000s.
Big D, LOVE the channel content as an "old school bass head" from the 80's when the 150db mark hadn't been crossed yet & watching the Facuda/Maynard battles to get there, lol. Couldn't help but notice the sub was running in the test of the DS4 drivers. How would it affect things if it weren't running in regard to audible mid-bass driver response on it's own merit?
Those 3 ways look nice. sound good. I am curious to find out more about the story begind them and OZ. I still have a set of the OZ Matrix Elites. Superman for the win on those. I typically prefer metal domes (titanium, Aluminum) . I like the sharpness. But silks are cool too. The Ceramic ones are also nice, but hard to find someone using that material anymore.
So glad you demo’d these I’ve been wanting to hear and see them bump. I def will be buying the middle pair for work truck. The first pair kinda remind me of skar 6.5s. Jp and the guys hit it out the park again . Can’t wait for them to do subs
I have the Infinity Kappa Perfect components and they are a beast. The magnet will almost touch the outside door panel its so big. I have them on a five channel amp with all infinity Kappa gear.
I have 2 favorite tweeters. I loft the soft and smooth sound of the old school 1” silk dome Kicker tweeters that were there top models in and around 95’. Then I competed using 3/4”(if I remember right ) Cliff Design tweeters. I have no idea what they were but I can’t even begin to describe how good those were. So many tweets are too dang harsh. I like smooth and silky.
2nd time watching this vid. THe 3-way have markedly better/tighter low end control. Be nice to bail the crossovers and run them active with a good DSP unit to take advantage of their apparent build quality, sounded pretty nice. Reminds me a lot of the cone material Eton used at one point.
Just have to say that Big D , HiFi Vega and the rest of the car audio UA-cam family has all the respect even when given a product they still don't hold back on their testing for us the consumers to win so D4S JP we need subs next so I can complete my system with all D4S products
It would be great to see/hear the cute midrange' enclosed . Free air doesn't feel right! I'm sure there are reputable outlets that would sell a homebrew 3" bookshelf cabinet. You could also install the tweeters. Not entirely necessary with tweeters in this regard, but way more satisfying! Love the vids. Especially the amp dynos!
I had a pair of Boston pro series titanium dome tweeters back in the mid 90s I’ve never heard a tweeter sound so good! They were paired with a set of mb quart 6.5 comp series that I had to order from Germany. With mb quart comp crossovers an a Phoenix gold m50 an a Phoenix gold 2 15x eq. I’ve never heard a better sounding car stereo
I have installed thousands of speaker systems in as many cars... As speakers went... Boston Acoustics PRO. Not the lower versions.... the PRO versions, are BY FAR the BEST sounding speaker system I ever installed in a car, yacht, aircraft... LIMO.... Amazing how much better a REAL speaker system can sound in comparison to that which they replaced. Amazing PRICE but... If ya had the CASH back in the DAZE?... Boston PRO. BDBD/2023
Beryllium is my favorite tweeter material. Don't have it for car stereo yet. Have Focal Solo6 Be studio monitors on my XL desk at home. They are beryllium and are incredible to listen to!
Aluminum dome tweeters are not bad, you just have to use the attenuation on the crossover or install the off axis if you think they are too harsh, soft dome are much smoother and suitable for on axis mount, I'm yet to try the beryllium dome tweeters but i heard they are the best sounding ones.
Am I the only one who thinks the cone on the 2 better drivers looks like the old Diamond Hex, I know these sure look thinner, but the pattern reminded me of them.
The soft dome silk tweets have that smooth-sounding high frequency, with a very good range, that really helps in small spaces. But, hard-domed tweets provide a better large room-filling high but tend to favor the upper range of the frequencies. IMO - soft-domed ones are warmer feeling, while the hard-domed ones provide that right-in-your-face twinkle.
Another great video, Big D. A silk dome tweeter guy here but do like to have a low powered titanium dome tweeter for the sharpness with some music genres along side the soft dome tweeters... going to be using Kicker 2.75" KSCs and 3.75" KSCs in conjunction with the CST .75" tweeters (Kickers shallow-mount 6.75" subs in the doors to fill out the mid-bass) when I get around to striping everything down and then "rebuilding". I have a 2006 Saturn Vue with a sunroof and drive iwth the windows down most of the time so the hard dome tweeters do sound much better than soft dome tweeters with all of the wind noise on the highway. It is my daily driver and is often full so it needs to sound good and I'm a 'stealth' guy. PEI and ceramic tweeters sound bad to me, as do horns (usually) Music should sound smooth & natural, the way it was created... even EDM, IMO. Of course, it comes down to crossover settings, power, and proper installation but everyone here know that.
I personally would like to see the 6.5 woofer in the three way component to be treated as an infinite baffle dual two ohm so it would draw more of the current to produce more mid bass. And I do prefer soft dome tweets.
No lie down for sound is primarily the reason I got back into car audio after a 10 year break. I’ve bought numerous products on introductory pricing and had nothing but good things to say.
I have given all my jl audio equipment away only to upgrade to down 4 sounds products. And I wish I had known sooner I wouldn’t have spent a dime on jl.
Those 3 ways look amazing value for money. The crossovers are something that always seems to be an afterthought with entry level, but those look quality.
I love silk dome tweeters. However the titanium ones on my Paradigm Monitor 11 v5 home speakers I really like those too. They are the first ones I've ever liked.
i've run piezo, paper, mylar, aluminum, titanium, 'cloth', silk, and i've always enjoyed the silk the best. the right amount of sizzle without getting too crispy. as for the -3dB, 0dB, +3dB switch, you gotta look at it relative to the overall rated sensitivity. if it's 87dB for the system, but the tweeter can produce 90dB without any padding, then that setting would be +3dB relative to the other drivers. likewise on the -3dB setting, it would provide the tweeter with 6dB padding, thus making it 84dB or 3dB lower than the other drivers.
i remember reading that car door speakers are very bad when put into boxes as the thiele small parameters basically make them infinite baffle speakers, meaning in a box you'll get just about zero low end extension at all
I am a fan of the silk soft dome tweeters as well. Not usually a fan of aluminum tweeters, but the component speakers did sound very good and balanced. Tweeters, I also like titanium tweeters now that I finally ended up with some getting a JBL system. I usually don't like tweeters smaller than an inch, but the JBL's on my tower speakers are 3/4 inch Titanium, and very bright and clear. But not harsh.
I had four MB discus 6x8's in my Ranger 20 years ago, and boy those 1/2" Ti tweets on those could scream! i powered them with an Alpine CDA-7873 HU with the 60w of V-Drive POWAH! avoided hard tweets ever since
...The Infinity Ribbons from the 90's were excellent, but fragile. Even with the cool tweeter protection on the crossover, customers would obliterate them regularly! A very different sound compared to domes! I have some Peerless anular rings in my car at the moment, they sound excellent!
I did the unthinkable in my old school days I mixed brands on my front end. I had CDT mid with soft dome tweeters. I never liked aluminium tweeters as too harsh. Eventually due to inaging issues I swapped out CDT tweeter for Infinity EMIT ribbon tweeter and loved them. They had a slightly crisper sound without sounding like an aluminium tweeter, I’d describe the sound a smooth and sssssssssss ish
I prefer beryllium tweeters due to the ir performance with power. They have worked great for my SQ setups but also work well with SQL if you need the extra SPL. The only issue with beryllium is definitely the cost. I have chosen home audio drivers from Paradigm and James Loudspeakers with good success.
Listening on my phone's headphones I couldn't hear a difference between the second and third sets. I'd appreciate you giving a summary on what you heard in real time.
I like the guy from Robot underground and he is honest about things like speakers and amplifiers.. He speaks some truths about the industry and a lot of things are way overpriced for the quality delivered.. With speakers i always try to balance between price to performance, with most of us we’re not going to the lengths that we are going to dampen the whole interior and panels of a car till perfection so we don’t need the “ultra high end” stuff.. Plus when you invest in a great headunit (chinese with optical out) and good amplifiers you can get away with somewhat cheaper speakers and if you want to upgrade in the future..
Big fan of Beryllium inverted dome tweeters but they are quite cost prohibitive. Hertz uses a Tetolon dome tweeter that is a very close second in sound at nearly a quarter the cost. +1 on the old school MB QUART speakers back in the day. STILL one of the best sounding component sets of all time. Still available through German Maestro, still making them the same old way. Serious quality at a respectable price.
Beryllium is what came to mind first when he asked what your favorite tweeters were made from. I have had a few pairs of JM Lab home speakers with the Beryllium tweeters in them. They do sound pretty good.
I save my money for speakers that dont lie because there is only 2 places on the planet that can make a real beryllium dome and if they did it would cost about 33k per dome tweeter so what they do is spray a paint that has beryllium onto anidized aluminum and call it beryllium, its a dishonest move but its just one of many in the car audio world.
@@KnowName33 the old way was a vapor depositing (painting as you put it) of beryllium onto a base material, but this was a bad manufacturing process as the dust was harmful to breathe. The new less expensive method is a foil laminate that is less harmful to your health and environment. The laminate or base material is necessary because of the inherent brittle structure of the material. They’re still berylium just as much as Baltic birch plywood is birch. And they are STILL far superior sounding than most anything on the market.
First pair is what I'd expect for that price the 2nd pair is great but why the uneven look of shiny aluminum? That should be black there's too many mounting holes for that to look ok for that price u can also tell the 2nd pair needs more power than u had them hooked up to the third pair looks much better with only 4 holes for mounting looks good quaility but for that price cicada and many other brands best that price and I believe the new Sony mobile es are some of the best sounding mids and highs on the market right now. Thanks for the video.
Beryllium for tweeter cones…. Lol J/K I really like ribbon style tweeters like the FOUNTEK NEOCD1.0 style. After going to this type and their airy super fast response I just fell in love. Though I really like a good matched pair of silk softies like from Morel. Those are unbelievably amazing. Yep I’m a weird one that will use mid to high end HiFi home audio offerings for my tweets in my car audio setups. As I get older I seem to care about the fatiguing nature of the materials usually used by car audio companies. Even when softies are used it’s just different. The biggest change is the crossovers though. That’s where it counts. I was pleasantly surprised JP used air core inductors and didn’t cheap out. Big ups for that for sure. The only thing I would get picky about is the plated termination/connection points though at this price point it’s not a big deal at all. Mostly preference.
Outro crew here: Silk soft dome are my favorite to listen too. I'm not one for the harsh metal dome tweets. And, horns are like cilantro to me. The flavor becomes is all horns, it's hard to appreciate the flavor of anything else.
I built a real nice speaker box for camping. Put some automotive six and a half inch JBL three ways. The problem is I was testing them with my house receiver and it wasn't very happy driving 4 Ohms loads at those levels. I ruined my receiver. It was a few years old and lower end but still a Pioneer ELITE series. I wanted to cry.
Honestly, I really couldn't tell the difference between any one of these speakers. I played it on my headphones. My phone even in my car speakers and everything sounded the exact same. I don't know if it was like that just from you or for anyone else
Personally i tend to gravitate toward AMT tweeters. Particularly fond of Adam Audio studio monitors, and Emotiva home speakers for this very reason. Not much going on in car audio with AMT tweeters as i suspect they are less forgiving with placement which would impact the overall imaging.
For cone material, I want to push the resonance outside the audible audio band. A metal cone that resonates at 12khz will be aweful for a tweeter, but will be fine for a subwoofer. Typically a soft dome can push resonance under the HPF, with a hard dome I'm looking for resonanse to be outside hearing range and then LPF the system
i just ordered two of each speaker they carry. including their 8" midbass. they arrive tomorrow. also grabbed one of each type of amp from the 700w up to the jp63. going to be fun to play with their stuff. i personally like aluminum cone drivers, my home speakers are aluminum and i like their attack compared to silk or paper.
U should do a top 10 best amps, I find it difficult to buy with so many available and there's a bunch of companies I never heard of until watching your videos.
If they’re cheaper speakers, silk is typically a better bet. A well engineered hard dome tweeter absolutely kills though. I really like magnesium as a tweeter material. I wouldn’t have ever thought it would sound that good either.
Personally, I’ve always liked the smoothness and softness of a silk dome tweeter. It is all personal preference though. The best sounding tweeter is going to be the one that sounds best, TO YOU!
I watch youtube through my TV. I couldn't really tell a difference in any of them. But maybe the 3 ways...maybe they look so good they seem to sound better? I'd like to try them out.
I would have preferred to listen without the sub hooked up. That being my only issue, thank you very much for playing these. I have been considering the 3 way set for my next build.
...consider Eton, Micro Precision or German Maestro...you do not need to buy Chinese speakers
Zero reason to play upgraded speakers without a sub.
@@JacesOwnWorldI think it would be important to play the speakers on their own especially if you are trying to demo them...
You're not listening to his subwoofer or those speakers so it doesn't matter
@@andriesgeddes4692It has zero importance because you're not listening to those speakers
Wish you did the sound test without the Sundown sub. It’s misleading as far as bass goes.
thought this too, then noticed the amp was different as well. and the mids had no reinforcement, either. so it wasnt really apples to apples. the 6.5's bass should have been able to stand on its own, but in the end i think the last demo wasn't supposed to be a comparison play. more like 'here's a decent system you could do with these four parts'
I agree
It’s youtube. the speakers only sound as good as the device your viewing the video on………..
@@Jduc750 True, but it still helps to hear how speakers sound in a room and from different angles, certain differences still comes across in comparisons.
Man. Those late 90’s German MB Quart components with the soft aluminum cones were the absolute best sounding car audio speakers EVER. $500ish dollars IIRC. The crossovers required an amp rack they were so big.
They were very clean sounding . But I liked the smoothness of the soft dome teeets of Boston Pro lf , Rockford , and Sony - all from back in the day 💪😎👍
I think i have a pair of MB Quart crossovers the ones with the clear top on them i think they are black and red.
Those German MB Quart speakers are surprisingly still available from German Maestro, the original build house. Had to help a buddy track down some replacements a few years ago, very nice people to deal with.
ua-cam.com/video/8Uasb5FCyYY/v-deo.html I kick myself for leaving these in the car when I sold it.
Yes they were clean and loud
Sounds pretty good to me. Actually made me dig out my old MB Quart Crossovers and I'm old school too. I keep all the old boxes and everything so I can store them and not have to worry.
JP is knocking it out of the park with his products! The quality vs. pricing are absolutely fantastic as well 🔥💯
Yeah 399 for that speaker set is acceptable but 750?? 750 is a bit too much imho
@@justkiddin1980
@Anthony Berry
It would be interesting to do a direct A/B comparison between these D4S 3-ways and the *SONY Mobile ES XS-163ES* 3-ways that are On Sale right now at Crutchfield for $100 OFF.
The Sony's are still $100 more, but I bet that extra $100 is well worth it for the difference in real world performance. ;)
@@justkiddin1980
For the price I can get PRV audio mids and tweets and be almost 3x louder and still sound good. Just sayin’.
@@bbfoto7248I would put my money on Sony. Biggest mistake people make is putting these in doors. All the speakers need thier own designated space. Small boxes with enough space to breathe and play. Plus stiff for less vibration. If installed into doors you need serious fabrication and ALOT of sound dampening
I grew up with Polk soft dome silk tweeters, so that has always influenced my listening preferences. I had some Boston Acoustic dome tweeters back in the day, wish I had never sold those gems. Great vid, Big D!
Yes those are some serious SQ speakers
I can’t find any like those anymore.
Need a 3 ways
@@julesbruchez-theartofgrapp9646Focal, Seas, Scanspeak, Hertz, Audison, German Maestro, Hybrid Audio. There are still plenty of high quality speakers available for the car audio segment.
They definitely shine with music but wish we could've heard them play with some vocals also. Great work sir!
Just my opinion, but all of the tweeters seemed pretty bright and "tizzy" to me. 🤷♂️ But I agree that it would have been good to hear some female vocals to see if there was any sibilance and how natural and lifelike (or not) they sound.
Love the brightness of aluminum dome tweeter , much respect to you and JP for sharing these speakers for the masses ..
I used to have realistic horn tweeters in the '80's that were inexpensive but loud and very clear. I hate that I sold them and unfortunately could not buy any more of them 😒 The sound quality was incredible. At that time they were about $8.00 a piece. Straight from Radio Shack.
Parts Express has inexpensive stuff like that, and most of the reviews are from true enthusiasts. I’ve gotten a dose of nostalgia building cheap setups that sound awesome.
The common, inexpensive horn tweeters of the 1980s-ish were generally products sold by Motorola, and later by CTS. Used in all kinds of stuff, with different lenses for different applications, for decades -- although usually only systems that were intended to be able to play very loudly. They're unique in that they are examples of "good" piezos. Interesting little buggers that can sound quite nice if properly used, with broadly interchangeable components between models.
They ultimately got driven out of the market by stupid-cheap clones that mostly just kind of suck.
After this piramid
I completely agree the Silk Dome are the best sounding, I miss them so much but I was killing them at a rate of a pair every 3 months and it was getting too expensive so I now run 3 inch compression drivers which sound so harsh but seriously loud and are rated for 100w rms and its been 3 years so far without a failure.
My rear components have silk dome and have survived 2 years so far, they are kicker and i might see about buying just the tweeters and seeing if those will survive in the front :)
If it sounds harsh get DSP
I am running a JP 10.4 on my highs and mids. I am still running the factory tweeters until I figure out where I am going to put my Crescendo tweeters. I can't believe I have not hurt the factory tweeters at all. And they are from 2006. I am waiting for the day that they just stop working. That would probably be a good thing, because that would push me to put in my Crescendo tweeters. 🤷🏽♂️
@@kiklop8362 a do won't fix anything, the nature of compression drivers means they will always sound harsh compared to silk dome.
@@stevefox3763 that is not true. This is how Focal get this harsh scar...
How do you blow up tweeters when they are 50cm from your ears lol
Used to love the old JBL Titanium Tweeters back in the day. But I would say soft dome is probably best for most applications.
Man I absolutely love that blue acrylic specker box you have, if you ever want to part with it let me know. Love your videos. D4S has been killing it lately.
I just bought and installed a pair of RECOIL SAM65 components, it's there top line and on sale, were anyway... not only do they look sexy as hell with a perimeter cast frame around the gold motor and gold tweetet but they sound awesome. They have a -3db/0db/+3db jumper on the beautiful crossovers
The 3 way set looks pretty interesting
I agree!
Agreed with another poster the Boston pros specifically .4's in the early to mid 90s were the GOAT titanium domes with tangenital surrounds and ridges to stabilize the cone. Legendary Quart 19's also but were piercing highs.... ADS Soft domes were also a reference back in the day.
Best component set I ever owned🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥extremely clear👌🏾Boston Acoustics
Silk dome here as well. I love loud music, but want silky smooth. Silk is way more forgiving at peak volume. Using some polk 6.5 2 ways right now and love them. Some of the metal domes sound amazing when they are set up properly.
I'd prefer them with more subtle branding than slap it in the middle of the speaekers, though I guess that is the cheapest 20c way to add it.
My all time favorite tweeter is the Infinity EMIT. Love the crisp sound from them
The 3 way components look pretty good and compared to some other brands the price isn't too outrageous but for my money you cannot beat CT Sounds Meso 3 way components. I caught them on sale for $199.99 and bought 2 sets they are hands down the best sounding speaker system I have ever owned. I have them powered by a CT Sounds 150.4 amp and a set of NVX VSP4 and DS-18 mid bass for rear fill ran off of another CT Sounds 150.4 amp along with some NVX VCW124 subs on an NVX 2700.1 amp subs are ran through an Audiocontrol Epicenter then everything goes through Audiocontrol DM-608 and I can be going 90 mph on the interstate with windows down in my truck and can hear the music perfectly as can anyone driving close to me. I have it all packed into a 1997 Chevrolet Silverado K1500 extended cab. It took a lot of fiberglass work and fabrication to keep the stock look. I made kick panel pods and fiberglassed my door panels. I made a custom 2 1/2" rear seat lift kit to make room to fit a custom fiberglass sub box under the seat. The 4" speakers in the rear went into the spot that held the stock 4×6 speakers and I made fiberglass enclosure to hold DS-18 mid bass speakers and reshaped the rear side panels with fiberglass to blend those enclosures into the side arm rest areas on both sides. It kept me from losing my mind during the covid lockdown.
Idk I had one of the CT Sounds Meso 2 way sets and they were just so/so to me. They sounded alright but not great. Glad you're happy with yours though. It's hard to buy these online only company speakers because you just never know what they sound like.
Everyone's preference is different but they do the job they are designed for and has some clean sound too.
Back in the day soundstream made some awesome sounding components
I’ve been looking for speakers for my truck
And these Down for sound speakers have really got me thinking they have a lot of features I like and you can’t beat the price point.
I like the silk/soft dome tweeters for clarity.
"This is for you, I don't really care about getting free speakers" Yeah right... Hahaha! Whatever you say Dig D.... I'm calling bullshit on that one.
Getting free audio gear sent to you to play with is a dream come true!
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You shouldn't have added the sub on the last set of speakers. I wanted to hear those by themselves.
The sticky material for sticking things is butyl mastic. It's used to hold the grille into the speaker ring. It's shit messy stuff. It melts on a hot summers day. I haven't seen that shit come with speakers since the 2000s.
They call it Monkey Shit in the Navy...LOL... Butyl Rubber will outlive humanity. BDBD/2023
Big D, LOVE the channel content as an "old school bass head" from the 80's when the 150db mark hadn't been crossed yet & watching the Facuda/Maynard battles to get there, lol. Couldn't help but notice the sub was running in the test of the DS4 drivers. How would it affect things if it weren't running in regard to audible mid-bass driver response on it's own merit?
Those 3 ways look nice. sound good. I am curious to find out more about the story begind them and OZ. I still have a set of the OZ Matrix Elites. Superman for the win on those. I typically prefer metal domes (titanium, Aluminum) . I like the sharpness. But silks are cool too. The Ceramic ones are also nice, but hard to find someone using that material anymore.
So glad you demo’d these I’ve been wanting to hear and see them bump. I def will be buying the middle pair for work truck. The first pair kinda remind me of skar 6.5s. Jp and the guys hit it out the park again . Can’t wait for them to do subs
I have the Infinity Kappa Perfect components and they are a beast. The magnet will almost touch the outside door panel its so big. I have them on a five channel amp with all infinity Kappa gear.
I have 2 favorite tweeters. I loft the soft and smooth sound of the old school 1” silk dome Kicker tweeters that were there top models in and around 95’. Then I competed using 3/4”(if I remember right ) Cliff Design tweeters. I have no idea what they were but I can’t even begin to describe how good those were. So many tweets are too dang harsh. I like smooth and silky.
Reminds me of the old school Audiobahn carbon fiber series speakers 😊
Wich I love
2nd time watching this vid. THe 3-way have markedly better/tighter low end control. Be nice to bail the crossovers and run them active with a good DSP unit to take advantage of their apparent build quality, sounded pretty nice. Reminds me a lot of the cone material Eton used at one point.
If the 3 ways have OZ Audio behind, I want... Homie always makes classic mobile audio content
Maybe I'm old school or just old, because I agree 100% with silk being my favorite tweeter material. 👍
Just have to say that Big D , HiFi Vega and the rest of the car audio UA-cam family has all the respect even when given a product they still don't hold back on their testing for us the consumers to win so D4S JP we need subs next so I can complete my system with all D4S products
It would be great to see/hear the cute midrange' enclosed .
Free air doesn't feel right!
I'm sure there are reputable outlets that would sell a homebrew 3" bookshelf cabinet. You could also install the tweeters.
Not entirely necessary with tweeters in this regard, but way more satisfying!
Love the vids.
Especially the amp dynos!
if you ask me I would sell them 3 inch drivers ONE OFF.... NICE 3 inch drivers are difficult to find... Hmmmmmm... BDBD/2023
I had a pair of Boston pro series titanium dome tweeters back in the mid 90s I’ve never heard a tweeter sound so good! They were paired with a set of mb quart 6.5 comp series that I had to order from Germany. With mb quart comp crossovers an a Phoenix gold m50 an a Phoenix gold 2 15x eq. I’ve never heard a better sounding car stereo
I have installed thousands of speaker systems in as many cars... As speakers went... Boston Acoustics PRO. Not the lower versions.... the PRO versions, are BY FAR the BEST sounding speaker system I ever installed in a car, yacht, aircraft... LIMO.... Amazing how much better a REAL speaker system can sound in comparison to that which they replaced. Amazing PRICE but... If ya had the CASH back in the DAZE?... Boston PRO. BDBD/2023
For the price of the 400 ones make sense buy10 prv and pioneer super tweeter
. JFX are pretty sweet. CFXT are the eZ upgrade. 💜 wait for hexicone 😉
Beryllium is my favorite tweeter material. Don't have it for car stereo yet. Have Focal Solo6 Be studio monitors on my XL desk at home. They are beryllium and are incredible to listen to!
berylliums are great but use them with precautions. keep them intact. if you managed to break the dome, better get out and vent the room.
Very clean audio and very cute design.
JP’s stepping it up!
Silk dome tweeters FTW!
Aluminum dome tweeters are not bad, you just have to use the attenuation on the crossover or install the off axis if you think they are too harsh, soft dome are much smoother and suitable for on axis mount, I'm yet to try the beryllium dome tweeters but i heard they are the best sounding ones.
I tried them and they kinda sound like a mix if the 2. Less harsh but not like silk dome either.
It was badass to see Steve Meade watching your videos. Congratulations!!!!
Am I the only one who thinks the cone on the 2 better drivers looks like the old Diamond Hex, I know these sure look thinner, but the pattern reminded me of them.
The soft dome silk tweets have that smooth-sounding high frequency, with a very good range, that really helps in small spaces. But, hard-domed tweets provide a better large room-filling high but tend to favor the upper range of the frequencies. IMO - soft-domed ones are warmer feeling, while the hard-domed ones provide that right-in-your-face twinkle.
Another great video, Big D. A silk dome tweeter guy here but do like to have a low powered titanium dome tweeter for the sharpness with some music genres along side the soft dome tweeters... going to be using Kicker 2.75" KSCs and 3.75" KSCs in conjunction with the CST .75" tweeters (Kickers shallow-mount 6.75" subs in the doors to fill out the mid-bass) when I get around to striping everything down and then "rebuilding". I have a 2006 Saturn Vue with a sunroof and drive iwth the windows down most of the time so the hard dome tweeters do sound much better than soft dome tweeters with all of the wind noise on the highway. It is my daily driver and is often full so it needs to sound good and I'm a 'stealth' guy. PEI and ceramic tweeters sound bad to me, as do horns (usually) Music should sound smooth & natural, the way it was created... even EDM, IMO. Of course, it comes down to crossover settings, power, and proper installation but everyone here know that.
I personally would like to see the 6.5 woofer in the three way component to be treated as an infinite baffle dual two ohm so it would draw more of the current to produce more mid bass. And I do prefer soft dome tweets.
Nice I know Johnathan will come out with the D4S Subwoofers someday.
There is no need for a sub playing when demoing speakers. Just demo the speakers you are demonstrating 😉
I have on headphones and didn't hear any subwoofer and my headphones are very bass heavy because I listen to a lot of rebassed and bass boosted music!
@@marcusstanley9317 not only can you hear it. You can SEE the sub moving.
I made that comment before it had got to the copon
Got to the 3way set and I saw the sub moving, my fault man!
@@marcusstanley9317 all good sir😊
No lie down for sound is primarily the reason I got back into car audio after a 10 year break. I’ve bought numerous products on introductory pricing and had nothing but good things to say.
I have given all my jl audio equipment away only to upgrade to down 4 sounds products. And I wish I had known sooner I wouldn’t have spent a dime on jl.
Lots of people like to blindly complain but they are missing out!
All comments are well stated. JP has changed the game!
Those 3 ways look amazing value for money. The crossovers are something that always seems to be an afterthought with entry level, but those look quality.
I love silk dome tweeters. However the titanium ones on my Paradigm Monitor 11 v5 home speakers I really like those too. They are the first ones I've ever liked.
i've run piezo, paper, mylar, aluminum, titanium, 'cloth', silk, and i've always enjoyed the silk the best. the right amount of sizzle without getting too crispy.
as for the -3dB, 0dB, +3dB switch, you gotta look at it relative to the overall rated sensitivity. if it's 87dB for the system, but the tweeter can produce 90dB without any padding, then that setting would be +3dB relative to the other drivers. likewise on the -3dB setting, it would provide the tweeter with 6dB padding, thus making it 84dB or 3dB lower than the other drivers.
they will sound great as a long a waited upgrade in my vw gti and in the dodge ram especially hearing them bumping some jazz thanks for the share.
Wish the random Sundown subwoofer wasn’t playing in the background during the 3-way demo.
Im gonna love the jfx653s and the Jfx65 coaxials
i remember reading that car door speakers are very bad when put into boxes as the thiele small parameters basically make them infinite baffle speakers, meaning in a box you'll get just about zero low end extension at all
yep
I am a fan of the silk soft dome tweeters as well. Not usually a fan of aluminum tweeters, but the component speakers did sound very good and balanced. Tweeters, I also like titanium tweeters now that I finally ended up with some getting a JBL system. I usually don't like tweeters smaller than an inch, but the JBL's on my tower speakers are 3/4 inch Titanium, and very bright and clear. But not harsh.
I like the “Phenolic” material used on the Selenium ST-200 tweeters. But then again I’m more of an SPL guy than SQ so the silk may be more “musical”.
I had four MB discus 6x8's in my Ranger 20 years ago, and boy those 1/2" Ti tweets on those could scream! i powered them with an Alpine CDA-7873 HU with the 60w of V-Drive POWAH!
avoided hard tweets ever since
...The Infinity Ribbons from the 90's were excellent, but fragile.
Even with the cool tweeter protection on the crossover, customers would obliterate them regularly!
A very different sound compared to domes! I have some Peerless anular rings in my car at the moment, they sound excellent!
Silk dome are the ONLY tweeters ill run. Very subtle and not to harsh but still sharp.
Smooth Silk!
Metallic domes suck the soul out my ear holes!
Regardless of how they sound, they look like a million bucks... really knocked it out of the park.
I actually like how high the tweeters got.
I did the unthinkable in my old school days I mixed brands on my front end. I had CDT mid with soft dome tweeters. I never liked aluminium tweeters as too harsh. Eventually due to inaging issues I swapped out CDT tweeter for Infinity EMIT ribbon tweeter and loved them. They had a slightly crisper sound without sounding like an aluminium tweeter, I’d describe the sound a smooth and sssssssssss ish
I had a rainbow comp set with cdt woofers. I didn't like cdt tweeters either. I didn't like rainbow woofers.
Yes , once you've hear Infinity EMIT tweeters, then it becomes a reference to other tweeters. Armies Nudel got it right decades ago.
Silk always are not as loud but play so smooth. But I still have some Boston Acoustic components with Aluminum and they nice and clear.
Silk for sure 👍 the smoothest tweets. For demos have to go Titanium, helps to balance out heavy bass 🔊 just my thoughts 🤔 😀
I prefer beryllium tweeters due to the ir performance with power. They have worked great for my SQ setups but also work well with SQL if you need the extra SPL. The only issue with beryllium is definitely the cost. I have chosen home audio drivers from Paradigm and James Loudspeakers with good success.
very nice speakers they look soo good love the 3 way set..
Listening on my phone's headphones I couldn't hear a difference between the second and third sets. I'd appreciate you giving a summary on what you heard in real time.
Like you I've always favored soft silk dome tweeters....
I like the guy from Robot underground and he is honest about things like speakers and amplifiers.. He speaks some truths about the industry and a lot of things are way overpriced for the quality delivered..
With speakers i always try to balance between price to performance, with most of us we’re not going to the lengths that we are going to dampen the whole interior and panels of a car till perfection so we don’t need the “ultra high end” stuff..
Plus when you invest in a great headunit (chinese with optical out) and good amplifiers you can get away with somewhat cheaper speakers and if you want to upgrade in the future..
I have the same tube amp, love it with better tubes even richer sound.
Hey Big D. Would you be able to do these test without the subwoofer in the back ground connected?
I'm with you on the Silk soft dome tweeters. I don't mind Mylar tweeters either.
Big fan of Beryllium inverted dome tweeters but they are quite cost prohibitive. Hertz uses a Tetolon dome tweeter that is a very close second in sound at nearly a quarter the cost. +1 on the old school MB QUART speakers back in the day. STILL one of the best sounding component sets of all time. Still available through German Maestro, still making them the same old way. Serious quality at a respectable price.
Beryllium is what came to mind first when he asked what your favorite tweeters were made from. I have had a few pairs of JM Lab home speakers with the Beryllium tweeters in them. They do sound pretty good.
I save my money for speakers that dont lie because there is only 2 places on the planet that can make a real beryllium dome and if they did it would cost about 33k per dome tweeter so what they do is spray a paint that has beryllium onto anidized aluminum and call it beryllium, its a dishonest move but its just one of many in the car audio world.
@@KnowName33 the old way was a vapor depositing (painting as you put it) of beryllium onto a base material, but this was a bad manufacturing process as the dust was harmful to breathe. The new less expensive method is a foil laminate that is less harmful to your health and environment. The laminate or base material is necessary because of the inherent brittle structure of the material. They’re still berylium just as much as Baltic birch plywood is birch. And they are STILL far superior sounding than most anything on the market.
Favortite tweet material: Beryllium (Focal).
Second: Titanium/Aluminum
I always liked the titanium dome tweets
I like em, about to put in a order . Sound sweet
Hands down the tweeds in the a/d/s 345is 5.25 components. These were on another level.
ADS... the ORIGINAL.... first in autosound history. ua-cam.com/video/NOMAUvdpurg/v-deo.html
Def SQ sound clear azz hell! Tight bass.
You should add a decibel reading that is active that we can see in real time
First pair is what I'd expect for that price the 2nd pair is great but why the uneven look of shiny aluminum? That should be black there's too many mounting holes for that to look ok for that price u can also tell the 2nd pair needs more power than u had them hooked up to the third pair looks much better with only 4 holes for mounting looks good quaility but for that price cicada and many other brands best that price and I believe the new Sony mobile es are some of the best sounding mids and highs on the market right now. Thanks for the video.
Beryllium for tweeter cones…. Lol J/K I really like ribbon style tweeters like the FOUNTEK NEOCD1.0 style. After going to this type and their airy super fast response I just fell in love. Though I really like a good matched pair of silk softies like from Morel. Those are unbelievably amazing. Yep I’m a weird one that will use mid to high end HiFi home audio offerings for my tweets in my car audio setups. As I get older I seem to care about the fatiguing nature of the materials usually used by car audio companies. Even when softies are used it’s just different. The biggest change is the crossovers though. That’s where it counts. I was pleasantly surprised JP used air core inductors and didn’t cheap out. Big ups for that for sure. The only thing I would get picky about is the plated termination/connection points though at this price point it’s not a big deal at all. Mostly preference.
Outro crew here: Silk soft dome are my favorite to listen too. I'm not one for the harsh metal dome tweets. And, horns are like cilantro to me. The flavor becomes is all horns, it's hard to appreciate the flavor of anything else.
I built a real nice speaker box for camping. Put some automotive six and a half inch JBL three ways. The problem is I was testing them with my house receiver and it wasn't very happy driving 4 Ohms loads at those levels. I ruined my receiver. It was a few years old and lower end but still a Pioneer ELITE series. I wanted to cry.
I would like to see how the d4s 3 ways compare to the ct sounds meso 6.5 3 way speakers
They all sound amazing compared to stock speakers just they got better as you pay more. Kinda funny how that works 🤣
Honestly, I really couldn't tell the difference between any one of these speakers. I played it on my headphones. My phone even in my car speakers and everything sounded the exact same. I don't know if it was like that just from you or for anyone else
Personally i tend to gravitate toward AMT tweeters.
Particularly fond of Adam Audio studio monitors, and Emotiva home speakers for this very reason.
Not much going on in car audio with AMT tweeters as i suspect they are less forgiving with placement which would impact the overall imaging.
For cone material, I want to push the resonance outside the audible audio band. A metal cone that resonates at 12khz will be aweful for a tweeter, but will be fine for a subwoofer. Typically a soft dome can push resonance under the HPF, with a hard dome I'm looking for resonanse to be outside hearing range and then LPF the system
great video Big D Keep up the good work!!
i just ordered two of each speaker they carry. including their 8" midbass. they arrive tomorrow. also grabbed one of each type of amp from the 700w up to the jp63. going to be fun to play with their stuff. i personally like aluminum cone drivers, my home speakers are aluminum and i like their attack compared to silk or paper.
U should do a top 10 best amps, I find it difficult to buy with so many available and there's a bunch of companies I never heard of until watching your videos.
If they’re cheaper speakers, silk is typically a better bet. A well engineered hard dome tweeter absolutely kills though. I really like magnesium as a tweeter material. I wouldn’t have ever thought it would sound that good either.
What’s a good example?
Personally, I’ve always liked the smoothness and softness of a silk dome tweeter. It is all personal preference though. The best sounding tweeter is going to be the one that sounds best, TO YOU!
@@91CavGT5 Smooth as glass? Or more of a violin sound?
@@webberfan1234 smooth by means they don't have ear-piercing peaks. silk dome tends to roll off earlier than metal counterpart at the same diameter
With you having that subwoofer in the background connected we can't get a true sound of what these speakers sound like by themselves.
I watch youtube through my TV. I couldn't really tell a difference in any of them. But maybe the 3 ways...maybe they look so good they seem to sound better? I'd like to try them out.