To those who says Jaime is a terrible fighter: If you read the book you would understand that Jaime has been sitting in chains imprisoned for over a year, with no real norishment or drink. His hands are also chained in this scene. In the book you read that Brienne is amazed by Jaimes skills even when chained and broken down for 1 year without eating. In the book they fight for a long time and he almost beats her. He truly is one of the best sword fighters in the series. On the other hand, I would say that Bronn is one of the most deadly sword fighters, due to his dangerous technique.
blazeblase yeah I mean Brienne is a good fighter but we have only seen her fight renown fighters that are down on their luck, here the man is chained, been in prison for a year, has his hands chained together, and doesnt even have ARMOR. and our good ol Hound they SPECIFICALLY showed that scene with him getting bitten and refusing the ol fire treatment. just to bring him down enough for her to be able to beat him. and you know her being in better condition in regards to just traveling goes.
"He was weak from imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight!" -Brienne's thoughts in the books
I wish Jaime would have fought a few times more before losing his hand. we see him here tired weak and putting up a fight. but after he lost his hand he hasn't really battled. sad really.
Before the loss of his hand he was the best swordsman in all the land. I completely agree with you. I would have loved to see him in action a couple more times.
"Couldn't beat old man Stark" - the fight ended prematurely. also ned isn't a lot older than jaime. "Couldn't beat bad luck Brienne" - he was prisoner for over a year, badly nourished and out of shape. plus, his hands were tied together. "Couldn't beat the soldiers who captured him" - he was captured first in a war against almost Robb's whole army. Then, he was captured by Bolton men (shown in this video) numbering in the tens. Jaime is the best swordsman in all the land, not superman. Logically even the best of the best can't take on 50 people at once. Yes, Jaime was the best swordsman in all the land.
If Jaime had been healthy and fit, and in armor, and unfettered, and had had good breakfast, and his favorite lightsaber, and 20 good men, he would have won for sure.
Ok i am going to have to stop you there, if you had studied the deep and complex lores then you would know Jaime does not actually use a lightsabre but actually (as it says in the lore (i studied the deep lore)) he uses a sword so Jaime would not have had a lightsabre at all and this clearly shows you didn't read the books YOU FUCKING PEASANT FUCK I HATE WOMEN THIS SHOW SUCKS
No, just fit, in armor and unfettered. Actually just fit and unfettered. You try shitting your pants for 6 months without a wipe and let us know if you can even walk in a straight line.
I'm a woman and a huge fan of Brienne. I still think she is OP on the show, especially since she's nowhere near as muscular as she is supposed to be. Love Gwendoline though. But to all those saying that she's average or not great in the books - you're wrong. Jaime admits that she is good, better than most, though not as good as him. She also has a freakishly masculine physique (probably due to a hormone imbalance) meaning she would probably be quite close to the strength level of a man her own size (at least 6'4"), and stronger than most shorter men. There are quite a few warriors in the series who could beat her, but Brienne is still an amazing fighter.
Straight sword is a finesse weapon. In China, it was typically associated with woman fighters, because they had less brute strength. Barristan Selmy could take any swordsman of his generation, entirely based on skill, not size, strength or age. This is the art of straight sword, the great equalizer before the Colt 45.
The irony here is that Jamie made fun of Ned Stark for never fighting in tournaments and Jamie ends up getting caught because a peasant recognizes him from one of his tournaments lol
This fight isn't better or worse than what was in the books, its simply different. Those complaining that Brienne beat Jamie seem to have forgotten Jamie has been locked up for months and is in shackles. Also the fact Brienne is a fucking badass.
It's worse because they elevate Brienne beyond what is reasonable and they make supposedly one of the best fighters in Westeros, possibly tied with Sandor and Gregor, a pushover. In fact, they made Brienne in the show better than Jaime, better than Sandor, and probably better than Gregor. They make her better than basically everyone.
More that the show lets people be handicapped. It doesn't matter if one person is "better" than the other if it isn't an even fight. ...also doesn't help that Jamie's actor just can't look natural with a sword IMO, so they're doing the best they can with what they have I think. They're doing a reasonable job getting decent fight scenes out of him in spite of it, but it really limits their ability to show Jamie's skill on screen.
+DynamicWorlds Thats also a problem that goes back to his fight with Ned. You can tell Sean Bean was much better with a sword than Nikolaj, despite Lore.
It's not about making Brienne seem good it's they made Jaime seem bad. Brienne is in awe during their fight about how strong Jaime is when he was in a weakened state and proclaims if he were unchained and healthy he'd be an unstoppable force. In this Jaime is seen as feeble and weak.
Both are really good warriors. Jaime did pretty amazing with his hands shackled. Is it just me or did Jaime move to stand in front of Brienne when those guys arrived? He was standing off to the side but casually moved until he stood in front of her.
In the books even Jamie was impressed by Brienne. It is written “she is stronger than me. And the realization frightened him” something like that. Brienne also sees that he is good. And they both start to respect each other. That is why I like this story line. The fact he knighted her in season 8 goes to show how much he believes in her and respects her as a fighter and a person. Yes he was chained and starved and wasn’t at his best but he still was better than a lot of fighters.
Don’t Know he speaks about her muscles not her skill. In the books Jaime is by far better than her even with his feet chained, but he was in his worst shape and couldn’t last long. That realisation frightened him because there were already a lot of swordsmen stronger than him, like the hound and the mountain, but he could defeat every single one of them with speed and skill.
@@ZannaZatanna1 That narrative arc, explicated via the choreograpy, makes this one of the finest examples of european choreograpy yet. Anyone can throw together a great fight sequence these days, but can you also make it *meaningful*?
Kind of ironic. When Jaime first met Ned, Ned had mentioned he didn't fight in tourneys because he didn't want people to know how he fights, and here it was because Jaime fought in a tourney that he was recognized and ultimately lost his hand
The one part of the GoT Universe I never got over was Jaime losing his hand. Infamous swordsman and we only get to see him fight full strength once and it was cut short. A scene with Jaime in a trial by combat wielding Oathkeeper would've been epic!
What was Jamie thinking? It's his fault they got captured bc he decided to waste time and then engage brienne. But brienne had already told him she would take him to Kings landing so why did Jamie decide to fight and try and kill her? Did he at this point already decide that he would not live up to his word and not honor the pact he and catelyn made about returning her daughters? And if that's the case and he never intended to keep his word, why not wait until they reach the red keep, then turn around snd have brienne killed. The plot armor is thick with this scene for sure
Nathaniel Kadetz It is stated in the books that Jaime is a man with a severe lack of patience who didn't spend too much time thinking his actions through (e.g. His sorry loss in the Whispering Wood, attacking Eddard Stark, etc.) Somewhat like Catelyn, he's driven more by his passions than wit. At this moment, there's two things he craves deeply: the feel of a sword in his hands to drive away the feeling of helplessness as Brienne's captive (keep in mind his ego), and more importantly, he thirsts for Cersei's juicy cunt. Sure, Brienne is getting him there, but at a torturously slow and boring pace. On his own, he would've stolen a fucking horse and sped for King's Landing. Brienne is too cautious for his taste. All of these, coupled with his lack of patience and his brother's cunning and foresight, Jaime saw his chance to at least test Brienne's skills and hopefully, escape her. He didn't think the entire thing through but once he got that sword in his hands, there was no turning back from there.
I know in the book he just decides he's heard enough of briennes orders and after cleos dies he grabs his sword, but in his POV chapter before that one he even says to himself that he WOULD return the stark daughters, just to see the reaction people would get from seeing him actually keep his word.
Everyone else- Jaime could have beat Brienne! The books made it longer and more drawn out! Who cares about the books?! Me- Aww look how he steps in front of her when Locke comes! 🥰
It'd be wrong not acknowledge Brienne's skill here. Yes, Jaime Lannister is the best and is weakened in his condition, but he is still a renowned swordsman. Brienne is a well-trained fighter who was able to defeat Loras, another extremely skilled swordsman. Look at her waiting for Jaime to strike; she watches him very closely, and adjusts the placement of her feet and sword in order to counter his movements. She is a trained warrior, and that shows. Jaime Lannister himself compliments her attention to movement. And once again, even in a compromised state, Jaime Lannister can fight, and fight well. Please do not underestimate Brienne's skill.
It always bothered me how we never see Jamie's sword fighting prowess in the show. I wish they had added a scene in season 1 where Jamie fights and kills 10 of Robbs bodyguards by himself before being captured. It would have shown how badass of a fighter he actually is.
Yeah, in the book Jaime slays Rickard Karstark’s sons and several other men at the Whispering Wood. Really wish the show included this so we could see Jaime at the top of his game.
@@robincolvin9263 the books didn't include it either. there were no POV characters present at the whispering wood so that part of only mentioned in the books. if it was just mentioned in the show as well it still wouldn't have done him justice
Such a SHIT adaptation of this fight. Nothing like in the books where it takes everything Brienne has just to stay alive. She's so amazed by his fighting ability at half strength that she states at full strength he would be unstoppable - no knight in the seven kingdoms could stand against him. None of that is captured here. Utter BS that just fuels the idiotic claims that Jaime is an overrated swordsman when infacy he's one of the greatest swordsmen in the history of westeros as confirmed by the author himself
+Benjamin m I remember hearing Brienne stating in the book "I'm as good a swordsman as you!" then I chuckled during their fight with how she barely managed against a chained, travel worn Jaime. lol... But yeah, D&D are over playing Brienne, I love how they try to make her look like a great person when really, she becomes a dumb person, "Brienne the Beauty, thicker than a castle wall..."
+Benjamin m He was chained and weaken and out of fighting shape so I wouldn't say it was a "SHIT adaptation" Jamie still put up a decent fight even with all that vs him. I've noticed that the 3 main characters she fights/kills are all injured before they meet her on the show. So if anything D&D have made her appear overrated because she hasn't fought anyone important at full strength.
+Benjamin m I believe you are wrong. First, we never read the book in Brienne's perspective, so we dont know if she ever was "so amazed by his fighting ability." Second, we should not forget that Brienne defeated Ser Loras, who was considered being a formidable swordsman even in the eyes of Jaime. Third, Jaime (whos perspective the reader is enjoying while reading about this fight) acknowledges Brienne's fighting capability and her endurence and stubborness quiet often. All in all i grant the Kingslayer being one of the best swordsmen in Westeros. He won many tourneys, defeated many opponents in single combat and fought in many battles. But right here he is weakened (after rotting in the dungeons for quiet a while), chained and unarmored. I would yawn and be bored as fuck if directors decided to play the "oh yes, J. is super-human awesome and shit"-card. He is good with swords and enjoyable in the show. because he is HUMAN. human in so many ways...
StrangeTickingNoise The problem we have is that it made Brienne seem to defeat Jaime with no problem, I would have liked something a little like the books, I mean, in the book Jaime reflects on how he may be tired and such but may be able to take her down, and he gets close to it, he even injures her, but here... No, Brienne just blocks him and then blocks his last swing to where he comically collapses while Brienne expects to fight the Brave Companions... At least, that's how I saw this.
Jaime is a moron because she was literally taking him to Kings Landing, and he kept trying to subvert her efforts for no reason other than spite. Thanks to him, they got captured and he lost his hand
Jaime was weak from prison, and tires over the course of the fight. Brienne's increasing confidence as she realizes this, and how she winds down the engagement, make this one of the finest examples of European sword choreography yet produced.
Jaime is one of the most feared swordsmen in the 7 kingdoms, with perhaps only Barriston Selmy considered superior. Brienne starts out terrified, not thinking she can win. The realization that she can is communicated via the choreography, accompianed by excellent acting. This is similar to Michelle Yeoh vs. "that girl" in the hall in Crouching Tiger.
3:45 now Jaime, assume some of the blame here. she was taking you to King's Landing, you were going to be free, but your stubbornness and recklessness made you be captured..
Samantha Bayley loras is one of the best, if not the best in horse duels. Hes above average when it comes to sword fighting but jaime 'was' one of the best in sword fighting. There were very few who could top him. Loras Tyrell doesn't even come close to Jaime, he might be able to survive some minutes but dies either way. If you want a Tyrell to fight for you, you have better luck with Garlan Tyrell Brienne is potrayed as the best fucking swordfighter our there in the show, but not in the books.
Samantha Bayley so am i, no contest. she is potrayed absurdly strong. Hell she defeated Jaime and the Hound. Altho most people seem to forget both of them were handicapped. It's a total joke since both the Hound and Jaime would defeated her with eas
Honestly, I think I like one-handed Jaime better, because he's a lot less of a douche canoe that way. I think losing his hand and the events he went through afterward changed him, maybe for the better, and not just physically. I always liked Jaime, but I think the golden hand is a marked character improvement.
I didn't know about the iffing but it seemed like kids were just mad their favorite malnourished, chained, and aggressive Jaime was kinda beated by a strong, armoured, preservedly-fighting woman.
If Jamie never started this sword fight, they would have crossed that bridge and Bolton’s men would never have found them-and Jamie would still have both his hands
He could've spilled her guts at 2:02. But again choreography and "looking cool" takes precedence over everything else. It's like the sword twirling Dayne did at the Tower of Joy scene this year. Instead of slicing his legs or skewering him in the back, the 4 people (including those behind him) just stood off.
I'm not sure if you're making a joke or not. Granted, if he were at 100%, she might have lost that fight. But losing a fight is losing, regardless of how good you are. If you're dead, you're still dead even if you're the best on the planet. You're still dead. Death doesn't care that you were tired or chained or unhealthy.
Brienne is cool af. I already knew how great jaime was and even if it was like three sentences, we still heard him critiquing her fighting. Many say this downplayed jaime but its pretty clear in this scene that if he was in a healthier state, hs would have won. He was shown doing well at first and even threw quips at her, it's a good scene. Brienne is a good character and I liked that she pushed him at the end like it was effortless. It didnt make jaime look like a poor swordsman as some of these ppl are commenting tho. It's pretty clear brienne took his condition and used it to her advantage and finished the fight quickly cuz Locke was already coming towards them
Just casually scrolling through this comment board, I can see how much it drives most people crazy that Brienne of Tarth is portrayed as a fighter on par with, if not better than the likes of Jamie Lannister and Sandor Clegane. I can't find it in myself to be similarly bothered. I actually love it and can't get enough of it. I can hear the protests: "But the books! The books!!! The BOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!" I hate to disappoint you, but the books are no less made up than the show. Fictional they both began, and fictional they will both end. That being irrefutably the case, I leave it to each of you to consider the very real possibility that you just hate the idea of a woman besting a man in an activity seen as having something of a "manopoly." While I appreciate your loyalty to possibility and plausibility, where were you when you were actually needed? How about Melisandre's shadow baby? Why aren't you angry about that? Surely, it is much harder to believe that a woman could birth a shadow baby than that Brienne could best Jamie and Sandor in battle. Oh? You mean your anger doesn't have anything to do with loyalty to probability---to truth, even? Ah, so you're a misogynist then. Thanks for clearing that up for me. :) Or, maybe you just have the hots for Jamie. That, I can understand. But, I would encourage you not to let penis bias cloud your judgment.
You were surely offended. You're right, both the books and the show are fictional stains in our reality, but you have to know the show originates from the books. If you'd only learn about the lore of Game of Thrones, you'd know why most are irritated at the fact that Jaime was bested. Just do yourself the favor and educate yourself on a topic you're going to shit on.
Notice, though, that I never said I hadn't read the books. Everything I said in my previous comment is compatible with me having read each and every book. So, you really haven't addressed my point in any serious way. And, I do wonder whether you are actually the more offended one. Perhaps not, but your last sentence does seem to give it away in something of a condescending way. There is another way you could interpret my comment that is more accurate to my intentions--satire!!! If I were to have just said this out loud in a public place, I might have tried to deliver it in a way that someone like Bill Hicks or George Carlin would have. Put differently, this comment was intended to get people to reflect on their views by way of a delivery that was meant to poke fun a little. Arguments can be couched in many forms. I happen to like satire, but, as you see in this comment here, I can use other, more subdued forms, as well.
You could say I was offended, but you can't deny that you were. I did address your point, validating that even GRRM said himself that Jaime is one the finest warriors I history alongside Ser Arthur Dayne. If you truly read the books, you'd know what's going on. So, at this point, there is no more need for discussion. Good day to you.
I do enjoy genuine, thoughtful discussions, but I can see you are more interested in being unfailingly correct in your assumptions than engaging with my points. So, I can't help but agree there is no further point in me having public dialogue with myself. Have a good day!
Honestly, I scrolled through the comments too. All I see is people being disappointed on Jaime's part. And those people are even dumber. Sure, Brienne is a skilled fighter. On average scale she's unbeatable. But Jaime and Sandor have been fighting all their lives, and they are much more skilled. The reason they were beat was due to their bad conditions, and Brienne always being in good shape. I saw someone in the comment section calling Jaime a bitch because "Durr! He lost to a woman, haha!" These people make me crazy...
So, Brienne's trying to smuggle Jaime back to King's Landing, and he decides to pull this stunt, which gets them caught by northerners, and leads to him getting his hand cut off. He really is the stupidest Lannister.
""Brienne remembered her fight with Jaime Lannister in the woods. It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay. He was weak from his imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight! His maiming had been monstrously cruel. It was one thing to slay a lion, another to hack his paw off and leave him broken and bewildered. - AFFC - Brienne I"" In the books Brienne recalls, how Jaime almost got the best of her, fighting in chains, after being starved for years. That last fight of Jaime with Brienne was to set the tone for what comes after. To emphasize what his right hand meant for him. The fight in the show did absolute injustice to this whole chain of thoughts. I mean I am all for GIRL POWER! As long as it doesn't ruin important plot points. SIGH!
Can't stand elitists who think their opinion is superior to everyone else's because they read the books. The show is just different, why can't people accept that?
Because the books are the superior fucking source material? So if the idiots who are meant to be adapting said source material totally FUCK up a great scene from the books and turn it into a cliche - cliches being something the author of the books has always avoided - then be damn sure the book readers will have something to say
Benjamin m Ffs, did you even read what I typed out? Book-readers (like you) assume the show will be a copy of what happens in the books... it's not "fucking up a scene", it's CHANGING the scene.
Yeah did you read mine? I just fucking told you that the show took a scene from the books - a memorable scene - and changed it so it's a cliche and the opposite of what the author was trying to convey. The intent of the scene was not to show FEMALE POWER!! Look how badass Brienne is she's better than Jaime after that shit talking he was doing! It was meant to show that sword in hand Jaime Lannister is every bit as deadly as the rumours suggest and the only reason she survives is because he's weakened and chained at the wrist. The show implies Jaime is overrated, which is wrong. Therefore by CHANGING the scene for the show they have fucked it up. So we 'book readers' - I'll have you know the show was my introduction to the series but the books are just better - have a right to complain and will. In all honesty these guys shouldn't have been picked to adapt the books
+bob hoo cers Since when is 'book-reader' an insult? People like you probably enjoy how d&d have ruined great characters and scenes for the sake of America's cliché binge-watching vegetables. Even in this new season a lot of the writing has been terrible, and you can just feel the lack of GRRM's influence. Martells killed off, the 'bad poosey' ruling Dorne, how Stannis was villainised in the last season, how Jaime completely got rekt here and so on. And not to mention the fucking cliffhanger of the tower of joy.They're truning this show into a cliché cliffhanger series. And people like you put up with it.
"If Jaime was at full strength he would have won" LOL good job, that's literally the point. He WASN'T at full strength, he underestimated Brienne big time, and then he lost. And then earned the attention of the worst house in westeros for his efforts. Hubris strikes again.
ASOIAF does this weird thing in books where it says these people are great fighters, but you never really see them properly fight, Barristan Selmy, Khal Drogo, Jamie Lannister (no i am not counting him and Ned as a proper fight). Something the TV adapatation tries to add in, but I am left wondering why the books left it out Also this scene makes no sense, she is taking you home Jamie, you are more likely to be captured by Stark or Tully then Lannister... why the hell is he causing problems and not helping Brienne
Jaime always got gimped in the show. He struggled against Ned, got defeated off-screen at Whispering Wood, and struggles against Brienne. We're only ever informed that he's a badass, we never see it for ourselves.
He was defeated at Whispering Wood because he was a careless commander, but he killed like 100 people in that battle, including two Karstark heirs, if I am not mistaken.
1:12 Jaime: 'I never understood why some knights felt the need to carry two swords.' Seriously? You of all people? You, who were trained by Ser Arthur Dayne who also used two swords and was known as the best swordfighter in all Westeros? You don't understand that need? ...ok, then... Shit, even if he wasn't trained by Arthur Dayne, he would have still known about him and his famous reputation. That should be enough to explain why some knights carry two swords. Sure, Brienne isn't one of those dualwielding specialists, so she wouldn't have need of a second sword but SOME knights need two because they ARE dualwielding specialists and Jaime should know that, having learned how to fight by one of them.
The tv show kinda messed up Arthur Dayne though he didn't use two swords it could've been a plot hole then when the time came for the tower of joy scene they probably either couldn't afford the glowing sword or just got lazy
I bet they didn't have the Tower of Joy scene sorted out when they filmed this. Sir Arthur did not wield two swords in the books, so it stands to reason that the script writers at this point in filming didn't account for the possibility that the script writers/choreographer would have Dayne dual wield later in the series.
That was my response too.. Until I considered perhaps he was indirectly complementing her choice.. I mean, he did take one of those swords. If she'd had just one.. Well..
Healthy Jaime would rape Brienne in a dual...Ned isn't even a great fighter he is above average at best and that fight didn't even happen in the books so it's non canon
SPOILER ALERT: I wish Jaime wouldn't have got his hand cut off. He was so cool the way he was so cocky and confident and one of the best swordsmen in the world. Now he can't fight anybody :(
Why the f*ck does everyone care so much about the books! For Gods sake, an adaption doesn't have to do everything the source material did. And besides, I prefer the show. The characters are less unlikable, a lot of characters and plot points I don't care about are removed (Dorne, Tyrion with Aegon, the dicking around with most plot points). But stop saying either the books or the show are better than the other,nit just seems petty and obnoxious.
To those who says Jaime is a terrible fighter:
If you read the book you would understand that Jaime has been sitting in chains imprisoned for over a year, with no real norishment or drink. His hands are also chained in this scene.
In the book you read that Brienne is amazed by Jaimes skills even when chained and broken down for 1 year without eating. In the book they fight for a long time and he almost beats her.
He truly is one of the best sword fighters in the series.
On the other hand,
I would say that Bronn is one of the most deadly sword fighters, due to his dangerous technique.
Well, I mean he didn't not eat for a year because that is impossible, but I see what you mean
haha, yeah, my mistake on the formulation there:P
xD
blazeblase yeah I mean Brienne is a good fighter but we have only seen her fight renown fighters that are down on their luck, here the man is chained, been in prison for a year, has his hands chained together, and doesnt even have ARMOR. and our good ol Hound they SPECIFICALLY showed that scene with him getting bitten and refusing the ol fire treatment. just to bring him down enough for her to be able to beat him. and you know her being in better condition in regards to just traveling goes.
blazeblase Bad example. In the books he was badass during this fight despite his chains and days in a cage.
Jaime deffinitely didn't have enough swordfight scenes before he got his hand chopped off.
"You shouldn't grimace before you lunge. It gives away the game."
/grimaces before he lunges
"He was weak from imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight!" -Brienne's thoughts in the books
I wish Jaime would have fought a few times more before losing his hand. we see him here tired weak and putting up a fight. but after he lost his hand he hasn't really battled. sad really.
Before the loss of his hand he was the best swordsman in all the land. I completely agree with you. I would have loved to see him in action a couple more times.
"Best swordsman in all the land"
Couldn't beat old man Stark.
Couldn't beat bad luck Brienne.
Couldn't beat the soldiers who captured him.
Huh.
"Couldn't beat old man Stark" - the fight ended prematurely. also ned isn't a lot older than jaime.
"Couldn't beat bad luck Brienne" - he was prisoner for over a year, badly nourished and out of shape. plus, his hands were tied together.
"Couldn't beat the soldiers who captured him" - he was captured first in a war against almost Robb's whole army. Then, he was captured by Bolton men (shown in this video) numbering in the tens. Jaime is the best swordsman in all the land, not superman. Logically even the best of the best can't take on 50 people at once.
Yes, Jaime was the best swordsman in all the land.
Agreed. In the books, Brienne confessed that she would not have stood a chance agaisnt Jaime at full strength ..
Jeffrey Fan arthor dane is the goat
If Jaime had been healthy and fit, and in armor, and unfettered, and had had good breakfast, and his favorite lightsaber, and 20 good men, he would have won for sure.
Savage
You sure you know game of thrones?
Ok i am going to have to stop you there, if you had studied the deep and complex lores then you would know Jaime does not actually use a lightsabre but actually (as it says in the lore (i studied the deep lore)) he uses a sword so Jaime would not have had a lightsabre at all and this clearly shows you didn't read the books YOU FUCKING PEASANT FUCK I HATE WOMEN THIS SHOW SUCKS
No, just fit, in armor and unfettered. Actually just fit and unfettered.
You try shitting your pants for 6 months without a wipe and let us know if you can even walk in a straight line.
Ed Eranged Easy man, although I love Jamie, this guy is just kidding
I'm a woman and a huge fan of Brienne. I still think she is OP on the show, especially since she's nowhere near as muscular as she is supposed to be. Love Gwendoline though.
But to all those saying that she's average or not great in the books - you're wrong. Jaime admits that she is good, better than most, though not as good as him. She also has a freakishly masculine physique (probably due to a hormone imbalance) meaning she would probably be quite close to the strength level of a man her own size (at least 6'4"), and stronger than most shorter men. There are quite a few warriors in the series who could beat her, but Brienne is still an amazing fighter.
Straight sword is a finesse weapon. In China, it was typically associated with woman fighters, because they had less brute strength. Barristan Selmy could take any swordsman of his generation, entirely based on skill, not size, strength or age. This is the art of straight sword, the great equalizer before the Colt 45.
Who’s here after Jaime knights brienne
The irony here is that Jamie made fun of Ned Stark for never fighting in tournaments and Jamie ends up getting caught because a peasant recognizes him from one of his tournaments lol
"You're not best friends if you didn't hate each other when you first met"
Like Gilgamesh and Enkidu, this is where I think Jaime really gains respect for Brienne. That's why he sacrifices himself for her later on.
This fight isn't better or worse than what was in the books, its simply different. Those complaining that Brienne beat Jamie seem to have forgotten Jamie has been locked up for months and is in shackles. Also the fact Brienne is a fucking badass.
Nah, it's actually fucking worse.
It's worse because they elevate Brienne beyond what is reasonable and they make supposedly one of the best fighters in Westeros, possibly tied with Sandor and Gregor, a pushover. In fact, they made Brienne in the show better than Jaime, better than Sandor, and probably better than Gregor. They make her better than basically everyone.
More that the show lets people be handicapped.
It doesn't matter if one person is "better" than the other if it isn't an even fight.
...also doesn't help that Jamie's actor just can't look natural with a sword IMO, so they're doing the best they can with what they have I think.
They're doing a reasonable job getting decent fight scenes out of him in spite of it, but it really limits their ability to show Jamie's skill on screen.
+DynamicWorlds Thats also a problem that goes back to his fight with Ned. You can tell Sean Bean was much better with a sword than Nikolaj, despite Lore.
It's not about making Brienne seem good it's they made Jaime seem bad. Brienne is in awe during their fight about how strong Jaime is when he was in a weakened state and proclaims if he were unchained and healthy he'd be an unstoppable force. In this Jaime is seen as feeble and weak.
Both are really good warriors. Jaime did pretty amazing with his hands shackled. Is it just me or did Jaime move to stand in front of Brienne when those guys arrived? He was standing off to the side but casually moved until he stood in front of her.
He took over the moment. He has to stand there to gain the "Plot Armor" buff. It gives him a +2 to his agility.
Nice @@NinjaOnANinja
In the books even Jamie was impressed by Brienne. It is written “she is stronger than me. And the realization frightened him” something like that. Brienne also sees that he is good. And they both start to respect each other. That is why I like this story line. The fact he knighted her in season 8 goes to show how much he believes in her and respects her as a fighter and a person. Yes he was chained and starved and wasn’t at his best but he still was better than a lot of fighters.
Don’t Know he speaks about her muscles not her skill. In the books Jaime is by far better than her even with his feet chained, but he was in his worst shape and couldn’t last long. That realisation frightened him because there were already a lot of swordsmen stronger than him, like the hound and the mountain, but he could defeat every single one of them with speed and skill.
She isn’t stronger then Jamie lol
I love this scene for the last couple of blows. Brienne is just dealing with him like a child throwing a tantrum by the end there, lol.
right?! that last flourish was so dismissive
@@ZannaZatanna1 That narrative arc, explicated via the choreograpy, makes this one of the finest examples of european choreograpy yet.
Anyone can throw together a great fight sequence these days, but can you also make it *meaningful*?
Kind of ironic. When Jaime first met Ned, Ned had mentioned he didn't fight in tourneys because he didn't want people to know how he fights, and here it was because Jaime fought in a tourney that he was recognized and ultimately lost his hand
Jamie was toying with her for awhile. He's chained and weak right here. It's obvious how good he is.
The one part of the GoT Universe I never got over was Jaime losing his hand. Infamous swordsman and we only get to see him fight full strength once and it was cut short. A scene with Jaime in a trial by combat wielding Oathkeeper would've been epic!
He fought Ned Stark at full strength.
@@leonpaelinck yeah that's the one OP was talking abt that got cut short
What was Jamie thinking? It's his fault they got captured bc he decided to waste time and then engage brienne. But brienne had already told him she would take him to Kings landing so why did Jamie decide to fight and try and kill her? Did he at this point already decide that he would not live up to his word and not honor the pact he and catelyn made about returning her daughters? And if that's the case and he never intended to keep his word, why not wait until they reach the red keep, then turn around snd have brienne killed. The plot armor is thick with this scene for sure
He probably didn't think it all through. Just like most of us wouldn't. At this point he probably only sought to be free for once.
Nathaniel Kadetz It is stated in the books that Jaime is a man with a severe lack of patience who didn't spend too much time thinking his actions through (e.g. His sorry loss in the Whispering Wood, attacking Eddard Stark, etc.) Somewhat like Catelyn, he's driven more by his passions than wit. At this moment, there's two things he craves deeply: the feel of a sword in his hands to drive away the feeling of helplessness as Brienne's captive (keep in mind his ego), and more importantly, he thirsts for Cersei's juicy cunt. Sure, Brienne is getting him there, but at a torturously slow and boring pace. On his own, he would've stolen a fucking horse and sped for King's Landing. Brienne is too cautious for his taste. All of these, coupled with his lack of patience and his brother's cunning and foresight, Jaime saw his chance to at least test Brienne's skills and hopefully, escape her. He didn't think the entire thing through but once he got that sword in his hands, there was no turning back from there.
I know in the book he just decides he's heard enough of briennes orders and after cleos dies he grabs his sword, but in his POV chapter before that one he even says to himself that he WOULD return the stark daughters, just to see the reaction people would get from seeing him actually keep his word.
Everyone else- Jaime could have beat Brienne! The books made it longer and more drawn out! Who cares about the books?!
Me- Aww look how he steps in front of her when Locke comes! 🥰
Jaime is definitely my favourite character in got
Brienne is amazing...I love her
I drive across that bridge most weekends giving a hand to the game Keeper in Shane’s castle. Awesome to see it in game of thrones
Mr Robertson.. Good to see you again. It's been a while.
It'd be wrong not acknowledge Brienne's skill here. Yes, Jaime Lannister is the best and is weakened in his condition, but he is still a renowned swordsman. Brienne is a well-trained fighter who was able to defeat Loras, another extremely skilled swordsman. Look at her waiting for Jaime to strike; she watches him very closely, and adjusts the placement of her feet and sword in order to counter his movements. She is a trained warrior, and that shows. Jaime Lannister himself compliments her attention to movement. And once again, even in a compromised state, Jaime Lannister can fight, and fight well. Please do not underestimate Brienne's skill.
+Jon Snow Hodor.
+Leah Chesley. She's average in the books. The show overrates her.
+Leah Chesley
The show inflates her skill so that they can appeal to people who love the "girl who can fight just as good as the boys" cliche.
She ain't shit!
Loras is not a good swordsman, he is just a good tourney fighter aka jousting.
I would've liked seeing Jamie be the badass fighter he was supposed to b atleast at one point in the show
It always bothered me how we never see Jamie's sword fighting prowess in the show.
I wish they had added a scene in season 1 where Jamie fights and kills 10 of Robbs bodyguards by himself before being captured. It would have shown how badass of a fighter he actually is.
Bittersteel they could have even just portrayed this fight as it was in the books to show it.
Yeah, in the book Jaime slays Rickard Karstark’s sons and several other men at the Whispering Wood. Really wish the show included this so we could see Jaime at the top of his game.
@@robincolvin9263 the books didn't include it either. there were no POV characters present at the whispering wood so that part of only mentioned in the books. if it was just mentioned in the show as well it still wouldn't have done him justice
Really sooooo good.
Such a SHIT adaptation of this fight. Nothing like in the books where it takes everything Brienne has just to stay alive. She's so amazed by his fighting ability at half strength that she states at full strength he would be unstoppable - no knight in the seven kingdoms could stand against him. None of that is captured here. Utter BS that just fuels the idiotic claims that Jaime is an overrated swordsman when infacy he's one of the greatest swordsmen in the history of westeros as confirmed by the author himself
+Benjamin m I remember hearing Brienne stating in the book "I'm as good a swordsman as you!" then I chuckled during their fight with how she barely managed against a chained, travel worn Jaime. lol... But yeah, D&D are over playing Brienne, I love how they try to make her look like a great person when really, she becomes a dumb person, "Brienne the Beauty, thicker than a castle wall..."
+Benjamin m He was chained and weaken and out of fighting shape so I wouldn't say it was a "SHIT adaptation" Jamie still put up a decent fight even with all that vs him. I've noticed that the 3 main characters she fights/kills are all injured before they meet her on the show. So if anything D&D have made her appear overrated because she hasn't fought anyone important at full strength.
+ewantu you are right, it I don't really like how it looks like Brienne defeated him with ease...
+Benjamin m
I believe you are wrong.
First, we never read the book in Brienne's perspective, so we dont know if she ever was "so amazed by his fighting ability." Second, we should not forget that Brienne defeated Ser Loras, who was considered being a formidable swordsman even in the eyes of Jaime. Third, Jaime (whos perspective the reader is enjoying while reading about this fight) acknowledges Brienne's fighting capability and her endurence and stubborness quiet often. All in all i grant the Kingslayer being one of the best swordsmen in Westeros. He won many tourneys, defeated many opponents in single combat and fought in many battles. But right here he is weakened (after rotting in the dungeons for quiet a while), chained and unarmored. I would yawn and be bored as fuck if directors decided to play the "oh yes, J. is super-human awesome and shit"-card. He is good with swords and enjoyable in the show. because he is HUMAN. human in so many ways...
StrangeTickingNoise The problem we have is that it made Brienne seem to defeat Jaime with no problem, I would have liked something a little like the books, I mean, in the book Jaime reflects on how he may be tired and such but may be able to take her down, and he gets close to it, he even injures her, but here... No, Brienne just blocks him and then blocks his last swing to where he comically collapses while Brienne expects to fight the Brave Companions... At least, that's how I saw this.
Jaime is a moron because she was literally taking him to Kings Landing, and he kept trying to subvert her efforts for no reason other than spite. Thanks to him, they got captured and he lost his hand
Jaime was weak from prison, and tires over the course of the fight. Brienne's increasing confidence as she realizes this, and how she winds down the engagement, make this one of the finest examples of European sword choreography yet produced.
Jaime is one of the most feared swordsmen in the 7 kingdoms, with perhaps only Barriston Selmy considered superior. Brienne starts out terrified, not thinking she can win. The realization that she can is communicated via the choreography, accompianed by excellent acting. This is similar to Michelle Yeoh vs. "that girl" in the hall in Crouching Tiger.
Such a great sword fight... consider the circumstances. :)
3:45 now Jaime, assume some of the blame here. she was taking you to King's Landing, you were going to be free, but your stubbornness and recklessness made you be captured..
And cost him a hand.
+TheDarkarrow7 yeah. that was more his haughtiness. and that was who made him try to escape on the first place too, i think
He's blaming Brienne for not wanted to kill that man that recognised them
Noah Taylor stole every scene he was in
even if they kept walking ahead im sure the guys on horse back would have still caught up to them along the path
Who else thinks the Bolton Banner resembles the Union Jack?
Ironic. Jaime thought he could get free. Yet, Brienne meant to bring him to King`s Landing hand intact
3:10 Brienne wins... flawless victory.
Enjoy that hand!
I don't get why he wants to escape though, I mean she is taking him where he wants to go.
I guess he was bored but that makes him stupid.
In the book he doesn't want to escape...he's just tired of Brienne constantly insulting him and acting like she's better than him!
No weeds on bridge today
This was an awesome fight.
***** Sucked hard.
It's fucking pitiful.
“Never understood why some knights felt the need to carry two swords” - Jamie
Did you learn nothing from Arthur Dayne Jamie?
I bet he regrets not training both of his hands to hold a sword
jaimie would kill brienne if he wasn't up in chains, wasn't underfed and just lived the normal life instead of being in chains. No contest.
Deluxo Not sure about no contest. Brienne beat Loras Tyrell in a fair fight and Loras was considered on a similar level as Jaime.
Samantha Bayley loras is one of the best, if not the best in horse duels. Hes above average when it comes to sword fighting but jaime 'was' one of the best in sword fighting. There were very few who could top him. Loras Tyrell doesn't even come close to Jaime, he might be able to survive some minutes but dies either way. If you want a Tyrell to fight for you, you have better luck with Garlan Tyrell
Brienne is potrayed as the best fucking swordfighter our there in the show, but not in the books.
Deluxo I'm not saying she'd win but she'd give a contest.
Samantha Bayley so am i, no contest. she is potrayed absurdly strong. Hell she defeated Jaime and the Hound. Altho most people seem to forget both of them were handicapped. It's a total joke since both the Hound and Jaime would defeated her with eas
Deluxo I agree they both would have beaten her but disagree on it not being a contest. I think if Loras survives a few minutes so does Brienne.
In the world where classic moments are lost in unlimited entertainment this scene is lost in time as is the show and the finish of this show.
This isn't the scene from the books that I remember...
His hands have been tied up for a year. What would your arms and hands be like after that?
Honestly, I think I like one-handed Jaime better, because he's a lot less of a douche canoe that way. I think losing his hand and the events he went through afterward changed him, maybe for the better, and not just physically. I always liked Jaime, but I think the golden hand is a marked character improvement.
1:12 ser arthur dayne diss
What happened after this scene? IDR
Jaime's muscle memory
I didn't know about the iffing but it seemed like kids were just mad their favorite malnourished, chained, and aggressive Jaime was kinda beated by a strong, armoured, preservedly-fighting woman.
0:52 GET UP NOW!
Brienne's last swing was so funny 3:09
If Jamie never started this sword fight, they would have crossed that bridge and Bolton’s men would never have found them-and Jamie would still have both his hands
He could've spilled her guts at 2:02. But again choreography and "looking cool" takes precedence over everything else. It's like the sword twirling Dayne did at the Tower of Joy scene this year. Instead of slicing his legs or skewering him in the back, the 4 people (including those behind him) just stood off.
He couldn't have spilled her guts then. She had armor. Armor couldn't even be penetrated with a stab, how could he slice open armor?
Spill her guts?! BAHAHAHAHAHA!!! She's wearing full plate XD LMAO
caomhan84 yeah the sword twirling in the Tower of Joy scene really annoyed me.
if jamie was healthy and fit and in armor and unchained like brienne, he would have won for sure
+john smitty if brienne was a man so she won for sure
+moodyhn what?
If cersei was there and spread her pussy out for Jaime beforehand, he would've won
I'm not sure if you're making a joke or not. Granted, if he were at 100%, she might have lost that fight. But losing a fight is losing, regardless of how good you are. If you're dead, you're still dead even if you're the best on the planet. You're still dead. Death doesn't care that you were tired or chained or unhealthy.
this scene in the books has so much sexual tension
Brienne is cool af. I already knew how great jaime was and even if it was like three sentences, we still heard him critiquing her fighting. Many say this downplayed jaime but its pretty clear in this scene that if he was in a healthier state, hs would have won. He was shown doing well at first and even threw quips at her, it's a good scene. Brienne is a good character and I liked that she pushed him at the end like it was effortless. It didnt make jaime look like a poor swordsman as some of these ppl are commenting tho. It's pretty clear brienne took his condition and used it to her advantage and finished the fight quickly cuz Locke was already coming towards them
Just casually scrolling through this comment board, I can see how much it drives most people crazy that Brienne of Tarth is portrayed as a fighter on par with, if not better than the likes of Jamie Lannister and Sandor Clegane. I can't find it in myself to be similarly bothered. I actually love it and can't get enough of it. I can hear the protests: "But the books! The books!!! The BOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!" I hate to disappoint you, but the books are no less made up than the show. Fictional they both began, and fictional they will both end. That being irrefutably the case, I leave it to each of you to consider the very real possibility that you just hate the idea of a woman besting a man in an activity seen as having something of a "manopoly." While I appreciate your loyalty to possibility and plausibility, where were you when you were actually needed? How about Melisandre's shadow baby? Why aren't you angry about that? Surely, it is much harder to believe that a woman could birth a shadow baby than that Brienne could best Jamie and Sandor in battle. Oh? You mean your anger doesn't have anything to do with loyalty to probability---to truth, even? Ah, so you're a misogynist then. Thanks for clearing that up for me. :)
Or, maybe you just have the hots for Jamie. That, I can understand. But, I would encourage you not to let penis bias cloud your judgment.
You were surely offended. You're right, both the books and the show are fictional stains in our reality, but you have to know the show originates from the books. If you'd only learn about the lore of Game of Thrones, you'd know why most are irritated at the fact that Jaime was bested. Just do yourself the favor and educate yourself on a topic you're going to shit on.
Notice, though, that I never said I hadn't read the books. Everything I said in my previous comment is compatible with me having read each and every book. So, you really haven't addressed my point in any serious way. And, I do wonder whether you are actually the more offended one. Perhaps not, but your last sentence does seem to give it away in something of a condescending way. There is another way you could interpret my comment that is more accurate to my intentions--satire!!! If I were to have just said this out loud in a public place, I might have tried to deliver it in a way that someone like Bill Hicks or George Carlin would have. Put differently, this comment was intended to get people to reflect on their views by way of a delivery that was meant to poke fun a little. Arguments can be couched in many forms. I happen to like satire, but, as you see in this comment here, I can use other, more subdued forms, as well.
You could say I was offended, but you can't deny that you were. I did address your point, validating that even GRRM said himself that Jaime is one the finest warriors I history alongside Ser Arthur Dayne. If you truly read the books, you'd know what's going on. So, at this point, there is no more need for discussion. Good day to you.
I do enjoy genuine, thoughtful discussions, but I can see you are more interested in being unfailingly correct in your assumptions than engaging with my points. So, I can't help but agree there is no further point in me having public dialogue with myself. Have a good day!
Honestly, I scrolled through the comments too. All I see is people being disappointed on Jaime's part. And those people are even dumber. Sure, Brienne is a skilled fighter. On average scale she's unbeatable. But Jaime and Sandor have been fighting all their lives, and they are much more skilled. The reason they were beat was due to their bad conditions, and Brienne always being in good shape. I saw someone in the comment section calling Jaime a bitch because "Durr! He lost to a woman, haha!" These people make me crazy...
Poor Jaime. If he hadn’t pissed about on this bridge he’d still have two hands.
Lady Brianna was never taught about psychological warfare which she learns a huge lesson here....
why exactly are they fighting?
If Jaime and Brienne had fought Locke together they would have easily won
If I was jamie I would run, she would definitially run out of stamina chasing himWith that heavy armory.
So, Brienne's trying to smuggle Jaime back to King's Landing, and he decides to pull this stunt, which gets them caught by northerners, and leads to him getting his hand cut off. He really is the stupidest Lannister.
""Brienne remembered her fight with Jaime Lannister in the woods. It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay. He was weak from his imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight! His maiming had been monstrously cruel. It was one thing to slay a lion, another to hack his paw off and leave him broken and bewildered. - AFFC - Brienne I""
In the books Brienne recalls, how Jaime almost got the best of her, fighting in chains, after being starved for years. That last fight of Jaime with Brienne was to set the tone for what comes after. To emphasize what his right hand meant for him.
The fight in the show did absolute injustice to this whole chain of thoughts.
I mean I am all for GIRL POWER! As long as it doesn't ruin important plot points.
SIGH!
🗣classic breinne
Fighting starved and injured guys
Imagine if he didn’t fight her? They wouldn’t of been caught and he’d be in Kingslanding with a thousand ships and 2 good hands...
Can't stand elitists who think their opinion is superior to everyone else's because they read the books.
The show is just different, why can't people accept that?
Because the books are the superior fucking source material? So if the idiots who are meant to be adapting said source material totally FUCK up a great scene from the books and turn it into a cliche - cliches being something the author of the books has always avoided - then be damn sure the book readers will have something to say
Benjamin m Ffs, did you even read what I typed out? Book-readers (like you) assume the show will be a copy of what happens in the books... it's not "fucking up a scene", it's CHANGING the scene.
Yeah did you read mine? I just fucking told you that the show took a scene from the books - a memorable scene - and changed it so it's a cliche and the opposite of what the author was trying to convey. The intent of the scene was not to show FEMALE POWER!! Look how badass Brienne is she's better than Jaime after that shit talking he was doing! It was meant to show that sword in hand Jaime Lannister is every bit as deadly as the rumours suggest and the only reason she survives is because he's weakened and chained at the wrist. The show implies Jaime is overrated, which is wrong. Therefore by CHANGING the scene for the show they have fucked it up. So we 'book readers' - I'll have you know the show was my introduction to the series but the books are just better - have a right to complain and will. In all honesty these guys shouldn't have been picked to adapt the books
+bob hoo cers Since when is 'book-reader' an insult? People like you probably enjoy how d&d have ruined great characters and scenes for the sake of America's cliché binge-watching vegetables. Even in this new season a lot of the writing has been terrible, and you can just feel the lack of GRRM's influence. Martells killed off, the 'bad poosey' ruling Dorne, how Stannis was villainised in the last season, how Jaime completely got rekt here and so on. And not to mention the fucking cliffhanger of the tower of joy.They're truning this show into a cliché cliffhanger series. And people like you put up with it.
Cry some more. Don't watch the show if it's so bad, enjoy your books.
"If Jaime was at full strength he would have won" LOL good job, that's literally the point. He WASN'T at full strength, he underestimated Brienne big time, and then he lost. And then earned the attention of the worst house in westeros for his efforts. Hubris strikes again.
ASOIAF does this weird thing in books where it says these people are great fighters, but you never really see them properly fight, Barristan Selmy, Khal Drogo, Jamie Lannister (no i am not counting him and Ned as a proper fight). Something the TV adapatation tries to add in, but I am left wondering why the books left it out
Also this scene makes no sense, she is taking you home Jamie, you are more likely to be captured by Stark or Tully then Lannister... why the hell is he causing problems and not helping Brienne
Well it’s a pride thing, if he does home he’d rather go home on his terms and his pace not hers
I know they become friends because she is not too bad but he has been messed with bad.
1:43
"You shouldn't grimace before you lunge."
But you just did that. Like, twice. And far more noticeably than Brienne.
Jaime always got gimped in the show. He struggled against Ned, got defeated off-screen at Whispering Wood, and struggles against Brienne. We're only ever informed that he's a badass, we never see it for ourselves.
He was defeated at Whispering Wood because he was a careless commander, but he killed like 100 people in that battle, including two Karstark heirs, if I am not mistaken.
She is good skill-wise. Not so much when a chess master messes with a checkers player.
I think they could have taken them on the bridge.
1:12 Jaime: 'I never understood why some knights felt the need to carry two swords.'
Seriously? You of all people? You, who were trained by Ser Arthur Dayne who also used two swords and was known as the best swordfighter in all Westeros? You don't understand that need? ...ok, then...
Shit, even if he wasn't trained by Arthur Dayne, he would have still known about him and his famous reputation. That should be enough to explain why some knights carry two swords.
Sure, Brienne isn't one of those dualwielding specialists, so she wouldn't have need of a second sword but SOME knights need two because they ARE dualwielding specialists and Jaime should know that, having learned how to fight by one of them.
The tv show kinda messed up Arthur Dayne though he didn't use two swords it could've been a plot hole then when the time came for the tower of joy scene they probably either couldn't afford the glowing sword or just got lazy
I bet they didn't have the Tower of Joy scene sorted out when they filmed this. Sir Arthur did not wield two swords in the books, so it stands to reason that the script writers at this point in filming didn't account for the possibility that the script writers/choreographer would have Dayne dual wield later in the series.
That was my response too.. Until I considered perhaps he was indirectly complementing her choice.. I mean, he did take one of those swords.
If she'd had just one.. Well..
3:50
1:45 ser mandon moore reference?
Metrallata Mandon Moore was scary because he didn’t grimace though?
If only Jaime had a Lannister soldier behind Brienne with a lance.
Healthy Jaime would rape Brienne in a dual...Ned isn't even a great fighter he is above average at best and that fight didn't even happen in the books so it's non canon
@@lucandrea5774
She still beat Jaime in a fight. Combat doesn't care if you're ready or in the mood.
Also she is attracted to him which allowed him to sweet talk her.
SPOILER ALERT: I wish Jaime wouldn't have got his hand cut off. He was so cool the way he was so cocky and confident and one of the best swordsmen in the world. Now he can't fight anybody :(
It forces him to look inward and find strength in himself that he didn't know he had.
I'm here before he dies in her arms.
The fight was way better in the book. This right here. . . It just seems lazy. smh
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Season 7 #CleganeTarth REMATCH
dat no-look-block!
How is her name brienne of Tarth if her last name is Tarth and she’s from sapphire island so it should be brienne Tarth of sapphire island
This is the very definition of Get Rekt Scrub
Damn if Jaime had been taken, he might’ve ended up like theon
Holy shit I just realized both men got their favorite body part removed by a sadistic Bolton man, just for fun.
A good part of this series is people taking craps and bleeding, realism folks. Mixed.
Jamie knows psychological style too, she does not.
For Honor in a nutshell.
They should have hired some Hong Kong marti artist choreographers to do the sword fighting scenes. Alot of the sword fight scenes are kinda lame
Did he loose his hand in the books too?
Yes
Søren Stilling hell yes
Yes. Him losing his hand is basically his rebirth and the start of his redemption (just like it is in the show)
Why the f*ck does everyone care so much about the books! For Gods sake, an adaption doesn't have to do everything the source material did. And besides, I prefer the show. The characters are less unlikable, a lot of characters and plot points I don't care about are removed (Dorne, Tyrion with Aegon, the dicking around with most plot points). But stop saying either the books or the show are better than the other,nit just seems petty and obnoxious.
How dumb is Jaime? Brienne is literally bringing him back to safety. Why the hell does he attack her?
they need kirpan practice
I find it depressing we never saw Jaime fight
i love how she beats him at 3:09 xD