Not gonna lie, Doug, it's a breath of fresh air to see you talking with Berkey. You're both very well-spoken and there's great value in hearing these shared opinions.
Dunno man. We were just getting dumb people like me back in the game with the aPostle. I got so lost with this one, I just wanna play burgertime now. www.retrogames.cz/play_020-NES.php?language=EN
Totally agree. This really got me thinking about developing a custom strategy based on solvers, which I've never even been a big fan of. But Berkey explains it in a very relatable and practical way.
This is a great comment as Negraneauxeau might be the only poker personality more nauseating than Polk. Seriously, I love Doug's videos but his interaction with anyone else is so horrifically "holier than thou" I can't even get through 20 minutes of this interview without having to take breaks. WTF, Polk? Is it a situation where Polk can only be socially normal when hammered or what? Good grief.
This is a great overall conversation even without the Postle stuff. Some very subtle ideas on GTO strategies in the real world and how to build a unique winning strategy even using today's highly theoretical models.. Great vlog Doug
i love the doug and joey dynamic, but i think doug and berkey could sit and talk about anything strategic and i'd be glued for hours... this might be my favorite interview you've done in a long time #PolkBerkey2020
I have a whole new appreciation for Berkey after watching this stream.. I want to believe that Doug only targets idiots like luke schwartz who deserve it... but Berkey gets ripped a lot throughout the year, and he doesn't really deserve it.. although, credit to you Doug.. I did make this conclusion via your platform.. respect, keep up the good work.
The point is that all of the cowboys painted on the wall were Asian. Look back at American history and see how many Asian cowboys there was! Then you can find the lolz.
As a tourist in Malaysia I went into a store to buy a belt. I look around and everyone is Asian. I ask for something uniquely Malaysian. After leaving the store I look more closely at my purchase. The motif all around the belt is rodeo cowboys. Asian cowboys. Lassooing deer.
I came to hear how M P was ripping everyone off but instead learnt that I’m still Kindergarten when it comes to poker, listening to Matt Berkey talk this guys knowledge is on point!
@@MrJamberee good point. He might have called the California Betting People Licensing Commissary Who Need to be Licensed In California Board. Or he may have called for a pizza. Or maybe his phone doesn't work since the screen cracked but still wanted to make something up
At around 36:00 Polk speaks about the beauty of doing this publicly on camera. Well, how else could he have cheat otherwise? It was only due to the card reader and Postle's access to either the live feed to his phone or the audio receiver in his hat. As to the why; aside from the profit split 2 with Stone, the publicity would have garnered a larger viewership thus adding to the exposure and traffic to the facility and Postle profiting further from other revenue streams - books and shows.
Great conversation between two titans in the game. Good to see the two of you get along as well and I’m betting a new mutual respect was established today. Appreciate the vid, but more importantly appreciate the collaboration. Thanks guys.
I know this a while ago and I think it’s already played out so it’s irrelevant, but the combination of when they changed his whole cards(1:14:00ish) and the other instance where he tells the other player that his whole cards weren’t read by the rfid reader(saw in different video) isn’t more than enough proof of collusion idk what is. How would he know that his cards weren’t registered? Why would he care?
After everything we've seen, I feel like simply calling Postle down with (almost) any made hands would have been +massive EV. It's a damn shame nobody got a chance to reverse the advantage. Regardless, I hope both him and Stones fall HARD from this.
prior to July 18, 2018, Postle played with his phone ON the table at all times, and plays like a normal person.. not staring at his crotch or making ridiculous bets. ON July 18, 2018, the phone goes down in between his legs, is never seen on the table again, he constantly stares at his crotch, and he never loses a big hand. THAT is when it began.
Really loved the conversation/debate on theory. Mixed in. 2 similar but different points discussed . Doug more of this stuff. Postel talk I’m hooked but I wish wasn’t, it’s killing limited study time. Like a good mini series. Foot note since I subscribed to Joey I’ve been winning.
My prior judgement of Berkey was based entirely on watching big hands - usually with non-standard play. But HEARING him express himself now leaves me no doubt that this articulate, thoughtful man is more than an intellectual match for his detractors. His poker style may well lead him to some spectacular losses, but I now suspect these derive NOT from basic errors, but from an analysis not even considered by his critics.
I once heard a very respected sports bettor (perhaps one of the most respected one ever) speak so highly of Berkey and how brilliant of a poker mind Berkey is. This person is also an avid poker player and Berkey was his poker mentor years ago.
@@kevincloonan9787 Thanks. I am quite ashamed for having so easily formed an opinion based on little more than one-side, ridicule-laden, results-based reviews of his most spectacular fails. Lesson learned.
Like a case of being two levels above, you end up owning yourself and leveling yourself into bad spots. Berkey is sometimes over thinking and sometimes trying too hard to make plays. It's impossible to adjust for play which makes no sense and it's possible to over adjust and expect people to understand your previous adjustments.
@TheFallsCapone Yeah, I'm really wondering if everyone here is just being sarcastic or if they actually think all this bullshit means anything. It sounds to me like saying the teacher inappropriately touch students because he has two teen daughters and had a stroke. None of it is evidence of innocence and the evidence is very clear and can't be explained with the bullshit said in this thread at all.
@TheFallsCapone I'll probably forget. Thanks! I'll go watch it :D Found the vid. I would have appreciated a link though, but it's pretty hot news so it already popped up in the recommended list.
All this stuff is so weird to me. I've played a ton of poker in my day and live less than a mile from Stone's. I've never played there once because I got a really bad vibe off of the place. Guess I was right!
@Say less I feel ya but that place is even more greasy now in my mind. Another thing is this is kind of a bad area and it's fancy as hell. I grew up playing the casinos that this place became and they had a much different feel.
I wouldnt play there, even off stream. The place was running a crooked game, then shit on the people that caught them. They're cheaters, flat out, and nobody should give them any action.
@@dm0065 That's exactly right. With this amount of evidence it's really hard to believe that more people didn't know also. I mean besides the 3 obvious ones. What's funny is part of me wishes that I went one time to play so I was involved in this trial. I really hope justice prevails. These are sick people.
Cheaters conspiring with a casinos equipment to the tune of 300k or so, sounds like a something to me. Someone employed by the casino was involved in this. He didn't sneak in there and add his phone into the casinos computers, applications etc. . DEFINITELY an inside Job. Inside the casino. Commissioned, by the gaming commission. This is a big deal.
Jay D you shouldn’t walk into a legitimate card room and worry the odds are stacked against you. So yes this is a huge deal. Poker players aren’t playing the house and everyone at the table not counting in skill should have the equal odds of winning.
Jay D no but there is plenty circumstantial evidence on camera that proves a investigation should be launched. If you know anything about poker then you should see for yourself why it raises Suspicion.
Jay D just shut up you have no clue who you are talking about. Barkey plays in some of the biggest cash games out there. He’s won millions. You are a complete moron.
Can we get a update on Mike Postle please!? I want to know that he has been financially destroyed and totally bankrupt. I want to know that his poker privileges have been permanently taken away and he's had his ass stomped!!
RESOLUTION: Position the card readers (camera or RF) either to the side of each player or by the dealer. If to the side of each player, the player registers the hand when folding or at end of hand. If the reader is near the dealer or in middle of table, each hand is registered by the dealer when folded. So there is no record of each hand until after the fact, and the information cannot be intercepted, observed, or used to anyone's benefit during play. Commentators will need to be on a delay for this to work seamlessly to the viewers. Listen to SLUMSON music.
@@MrJamberee Yes, it is the issue, for there would be no issue if player hands werent being read by a device. As for it being unnatural, yeah kinda but showing your hand to a reader is already unnatural; it's a minor adjustment that ensures you cannot be cheated at tables with hand reading devices. Mucked and folded hands would be read when folded or simply go over a reader before hitting the muck pile.
Playing devils advocate! Which doesn’t need to happen in this scenario. What is the “postability”,this guy just had 18 months of sick reads with any number of non cheating strategies. I will tell you this. It only happened 1 time over about 1000 sessions I’ve played live in my life time about 13 years of playing. I played on my birthday! I took a .8 of straight molly. Excellent quality molly from Belgium as a gift from my friends for my b day. I played at Foxwoods. I built a 5,000 ish stack in about 8 hours at 2/5. I wasn’t playing a bad strategy or bad pre flop ranges. I was able to see things I had never seen before because of the drugs. Honestly. I was seeing sweat in spots where ppl were bluffing huge. I was seeing neck throbs which still need to be interpreted. I was betting small and check raising huge. I couldn’t be beat for 8 hours. HOWEVER I started coming down, way down. Sweating on the rails! Having trouble focusing as well. I could then hear the whole room better than I could hear my table. Which was the complete opposite effect I was having over the first 8 hours. My friends were trying to get me to come party but when they saw what was happening they didn’t want to interrupt this Bday heated. Longer story short I have gave back most of it and cashed up up 2,300. Is there any chance he was using drugs or micro dosing perfectly. Because I can tell you, pure mdma if you can handle it at the table. Can create amazing recognization of peoples emotions and fake emotions. Hence why I was making perfect plays for about 7 to 7.5 hours. Obviously I should have left b4 I did. So much so that a gentleman who was writing a book asked me for an interview once I told him what was up he no longer wanted the interview! I was speaking to him like Poker comes in waves and you have to ride the waves lol. This is a 100% true story
Have to ban phone from poker table.. Everybody win, it make the players talk together, for the viewer it make the stream more entertaining.. Overall it makes the game better.
The spreadsheets and files they kept about their poker strategies. They probably complied large data sets of tens of thousands of hand histories that showed tendencies (of the general population at whatever stakes their were playing) and adjusted their play to exploit and win more money.
For example, if they found people were raising too light, and over folding to 3 bets pre flop; they'd widen their 3bet range accordingly to exploit this.
Software Developer here, the problem is fairly simple to solve. You encrypt the RFID data and set a timer of say, 5 minutes. Then have the first stream on a 5 minute delay as well. The data will only be unencrypted after the 5 minutes and applied to the video then. Then after 25 more minutes it's send to the commentators. No one at all would see the cards then for 5 minutes. Not even the engineers.
berkey thinks he mighta seen a blue screen on Postle's phone, whilst playing live, that looks like the live card GUI that card reading software transmits.. it gets mentioned for 14 seconds.. but it's implied that it is the causation for the title.
Doug check Jaman Burtons vlog from 10 months ago, minute 22, the video name is Avoid Mike Postle: Crazy 1/3 No-Limit game at Stones Gambling Hall, this was before all the Postle allegations
How many atoms in the universe? The best guesstimate is a good illustration of the extraordinary increases in value that are not so apparent when comparing numbers expressed to the power of 10. So average human cell has about 10 to the 14th atoms. The ENTIRE universe? Low estimate is 10 to the power of...78! Raising the exponent from 14 to 78 and we go from atoms in one cell to everything. Wow.
just knowing poker along with the stub of the deck and having knowledge of of all the other factors is enough to be a winning player without being 100% accurate.
It strikes me what strong witnesses poker players will make for Mac in the unlikely event this case goes to trial. I'm sure they've thought of this already, but on the off chance they haven't, I think Mac ought to play this angle up in terms of trying to push for a favorable pre-trial settlement. Crossing a witness like Matt Berkey must be the opposing counsel's literal worst nightmare.
Such a shame these guys couldnt find a way to do more like this. They have such different ways of thinking and neither plays a yes man. Doug on Only Friends as the co main voice with Berkey would make for such interesting poker talk. Well, this was fun to watch after all these years, especially with Postle trying to get relevant again. Thanks to both of them for making this happen, even though only once.
Wow, Berkey is such a sweetheart. 3 of you should try one. Joey is a loud one and likes the social part. Matt is more strategy and uses less words, but they are all gto. So makes a funny contrast. And Vanessa has a combination of those two.
The Manhands it’s true. A lot of best pros are nerdy as hell. Like Ike haxton. Weird dude but excellent player. I’d be considered weird all day everyday to be a poker boss
@@Carlito1980 I think most people would be perturbed if a channel suddenly starts putting in ads that weren't there before. Besides Doug plays in huge games in Vegas, I doubt the money he loses is anything he's overly concerned about, definitely does this UA-cam stuff because he enjoys it, not because it's particularly lucrative.
I agree with Matt on the net positive effect. I'm not a poker player other than family get togethers etc, but find this whole thing fascinating! More than anything watching Doug's analysis of strategy and digesting all the evidence against Postle, it makes me want to brush up on my little to non-existent poker skills and play more often!!
You guys are talking about different hands. It was the PLO hand where the gfx didn’t get switched from Hold’em to PLO so the gfx was only showing two cards. He then went into the commentators booth and asked the commentators “what happened with that PLO hand where there were only two cards picked up”. How would he know the gfx only showed two cards unless it was after 30 minutes had passed. It could have been more than 30 minutes, but we didn’t get info on the amount of time that passed when that hand ended and when he went into the booth.
Automatic Card shufflers also come up with a pre determined shuffle. I'm sure this would not be impossible to find out in which order the cards were shuffled. And which burn and turn cards will be coming after the flop.
Omg you both were in the Hollis game at sun coast?????? Holy shit, how do I not remember you guys. I wonder if either of you remember me....that's si crazy....he was always at red rock and the 2/5/10 game was at sun coast on Wednesdays.....so crazy
Lol old man hollis was a great person....I wonder how he is doing nowadays....wasn't it at Palms for a while too? I could be wrong about Palms but I'm positive it was at Suncoast on Wednesdays and was a 3k max buy in. Also I know he was a regular at Red Rock. Do either of you (Doug or Berkey) remember or know my name? Muhaha aka justin M. Played in that game sometimes when he wasn't getting 86 from the M for telling a pregnant dealer he hopes ***** why giving birth. This is so crazy lol. Do you guys remember justin aka Muhaha on full tilt?
On the RFID thing. If the cards actually did use RFID, then basically any half decent cell phone could read the cards. Granted the range would be short, maybe 6" tops. But you can buy after market dongles and make that range turn into 6'. Have it in your sleeve, have feedback system to phone/head thing.
My thoughts exactly. I doubt he had all his bases covered. If he wasn’t so greedy, he’d of never got caught. Greed equals stupid. There’s definitely a trail.
My solution is simple. Have a hole-hand reader (RFID or one-way glass) that all folded cards are read. When a card is in play, no one can see the player’s hole card except the player. But once a player folds, it must pass through this reader for registration and delayed analysis.
I played in a high stakes Nor Cal game @15 years ago - a dealer played in the game and always sat in the 2 seat. When he drew to a flush a straight or a tiny set he always hit. That means he folded the flop when he knew he would miss. The dealer can flash the 2 seat the turn a river when he drags the chips to the middle of the table, rolling the deck, his thumb on the corner of the deck. I thought something was up when he always sat out on a left handed dealer. I started watching more closely and saw it w my own eyes and stopped playing in the game. If you know the turn and river card and are drawing to the nuts you don’t have to care what your opponents hole cards are. Anyways interesting apostle like the 2 seat.
14.5 years in the criminal justice business (and make no mistake, it's thoroughly a broken system) and I know two truths: 1) Every bad guy hates snitches. 2) Every bad guy snitches the second it is beneficial to them. Someone will crack.
Same here, just a little less time. You forgot one important thing: Someone only cracks if they're being pressured. Don't forget this is in CA and they have the most corrupt and incompetent system in the country outside of the federal system. I don't see this ever being criminally investigated. Not only because they just don't give a damn in this jurisdiction, but also because if they did they could easily be bribed to look the other way. The damn CA gaming commission (the very agency that's supposed to investigate and prosecute crimes such as this) refused to even acknowledge the situation and interview a few people. They said to call the DoJ. Really?! This isn't a federal issue, it is a state issue. Why exactly would the DoJ be investigating a cheating scandal at a local casino regulated by CA law? Outside of the civil suit nothing will ever come of this.
Postle bringing people together!!!! thank you for this Mike...(no chance for such a nice interview between these two)...he's not god in poker but he's the savior in real life...
What did you all think about the pokerstars Barcelona laptop scandal. I asked the head of online security for pokerstars and he said it was their own fault for leaving their laptops in their locked hotel rooms. But how did they know who to target.
This is actually very easy to solve. Someone that lost to Postles could file a civil lawsuit for fraud against him. Assuming you get past a motion to dismiss, you can get “Discovery”. If he’s using his phone there will be text messages or download history, I.e., someone was sending him texts as to the cards or some kind of program that reads the sensors in the cards.
Likelihood of not cheating even estimated at 1 in a million is a major underestimate in my opinion. Compare just 100 hands of consecutive perfect river play to flipping a coin 100 times and correctly calling heads 100 consecutive times. What are the odds? Then also consider that many might believe that the correct river decision maybe less than 50% each time given the circumstances of play in each hand. Then factor in that "value" or ideal bet sizing was also seemingly accomplished with exactness. The true odds of not cheating is in the the astronomically rare range...ie number of atoms, grains of sand, identical snowflakes. etc etc
Only Mike Postle could turn old foes into new friends. Well done, Mike. There is always a silver lining to everything.
In the game of life, Postle is the rake.
I think negranu might disagree... Doesn't sound like a world where more rake is better to me.
We need to get the rake in the lake
He is the fucking rake.
Dnegs said it best...more postle is better.
The fin rake
Not gonna lie, Doug, it's a breath of fresh air to see you talking with Berkey. You're both very well-spoken and there's great value in hearing these shared opinions.
46:22 PLEASE do a full podcast with Berkey discussing the Philosophy of Poker Strategy!
Would be awesome.
Dunno man. We were just getting dumb people like me back in the game with the aPostle. I got so lost with this one, I just wanna play burgertime now. www.retrogames.cz/play_020-NES.php?language=EN
Totally agree. This really got me thinking about developing a custom strategy based on solvers, which I've never even been a big fan of. But Berkey explains it in a very relatable and practical way.
"More Postle is better"
-- DNegs
This is a great comment as Negraneauxeau might be the only poker personality more nauseating than Polk. Seriously, I love Doug's videos but his interaction with anyone else is so horrifically "holier than thou" I can't even get through 20 minutes of this interview without having to take breaks. WTF, Polk? Is it a situation where Polk can only be socially normal when hammered or what? Good grief.
Mike postle is a god after all. He got Doug and Matt on the same podcast.
This is my new soap opera.
You seem to always ask the right question to make his explanation easy to understand, nice interviewing Doug 👊
This is a great overall conversation even without the Postle stuff. Some very subtle ideas on GTO strategies in the real world and how to build a unique winning strategy even using today's highly theoretical models.. Great vlog Doug
Those interviews that happened recently are absolutely brilliant. I enjoyed every single minute of them. Thank you, Doug.
Dude this cheating scandal makes me want to a play poker again.
confirmed
Poker room was packed today
its stuff like this that should also add weight to legalizing online
Same here
@@kubakocu man me too
This is great. Two of my favorites. So well versed and knowledgeable. Thank you!
i love the doug and joey dynamic, but i think doug and berkey could sit and talk about anything strategic and i'd be glued for hours... this might be my favorite interview you've done in a long time #PolkBerkey2020
The Poker Guys did an interview with MB a year or two ago that was also very interesting.
same. i think its bc berkey can talk just as well (vernacular, intelligent, etc) and just as long as doug can lol. talent.
I have a whole new appreciation for Berkey after watching this stream.. I want to believe that Doug only targets idiots like luke schwartz who deserve it... but Berkey gets ripped a lot throughout the year, and he doesn't really deserve it.. although, credit to you Doug.. I did make this conclusion via your platform.. respect, keep up the good work.
32:09 “I look around and everyone is Asian”
Welcome to a casino bro
32:01
How does that suprise him ? Doug hasn't been out for a long time lol
Well he is talking his early live days of poker
The point is that all of the cowboys painted on the wall were Asian.
Look back at American history and see how many Asian cowboys there was!
Then you can find the lolz.
As a tourist in Malaysia I went into a store to buy a belt. I look around and everyone is Asian. I ask for something uniquely Malaysian. After leaving the store I look more closely at my purchase. The motif all around the belt is rodeo cowboys. Asian cowboys. Lassooing deer.
I like Berkey for his humility.
100 percent
I came to hear how M P was ripping everyone off but instead learnt that I’m still Kindergarten when it comes to poker, listening to Matt Berkey talk this guys knowledge is on point!
dgb8500 no face, the nuts , let's keep it poker related. 🤣
Doug and Berkey!
This is gonna be fun to watch!
I called the California Gaming Commission and they have an investigator assigned to Stones’ live feed
That's odd considering there's no such thing as the California gaming commission
He could have meant the California Gambling Control Commission but just used "Gaming" in place of that? They do have a Gaming/Licensing department.
tedgey settle down. There is s CA gaming commission. The name is not important.
@@MrJamberee good point. He might have called the California Betting People Licensing Commissary Who Need to be Licensed In California Board. Or he may have called for a pizza. Or maybe his phone doesn't work since the screen cracked but still wanted to make something up
He actually called me. Nice guy.
At around 36:00 Polk speaks about the beauty of doing this publicly on camera. Well, how else could he have cheat otherwise? It was only due to the card reader and Postle's access to either the live feed to his phone or the audio receiver in his hat.
As to the why; aside from the profit split 2 with Stone, the publicity would have garnered a larger viewership thus adding to the exposure and traffic to the facility and Postle profiting further from other revenue streams - books and shows.
Can't be getting a live stream due to 30 min delay but yes the fact it is filmed is what is most likely aiding him
Great conversation between two titans in the game. Good to see the two of you get along as well and I’m betting a new mutual respect was established today. Appreciate the vid, but more importantly appreciate the collaboration. Thanks guys.
9:19 - 9:50 for the funniest part!
I know this a while ago and I think it’s already played out so it’s irrelevant, but the combination of when they changed his whole cards(1:14:00ish) and the other instance where he tells the other player that his whole cards weren’t read by the rfid reader(saw in different video) isn’t more than enough proof of collusion idk what is. How would he know that his cards weren’t registered? Why would he care?
Fantastic conversation guys!!! Thanks for taking the time to discuss this issue 👍🏾
The tightest player in the game often accuses you of playing too tight and the slowest player will accuse you of being too slow.
After everything we've seen, I feel like simply calling Postle down with (almost) any made hands would have been +massive EV. It's a damn shame nobody got a chance to reverse the advantage. Regardless, I hope both him and Stones fall HARD from this.
prior to July 18, 2018, Postle played with his phone ON the table at all times, and plays like a normal person.. not staring at his crotch or making ridiculous bets. ON July 18, 2018, the phone goes down in between his legs, is never seen on the table again, he constantly stares at his crotch, and he never loses a big hand. THAT is when it began.
One more notable thing - Postle has NEVER ever asked for a chip count as far as I have seen!
dang!he just knows he is going to win!since the dude feeds him the info to his phone!
Very good point.
The conversation at like 43:00-57:00 for a while is super dope. Great video of two great minds.
It really is, part of it is almost talking how they have built in solvers in their head that only come from putting In time into poker.
Thanks. I ceebs listening to the whole thing and was looking for someone to pick the best part. Thanks so much
I could sit and listen to people talk about how bad Postle is even when he knows the cards is hilarious.
It's true though. I would have made a million, or I would have played LEGIT-ish.
@@masonVRgorilla Same... The guy played like he was trying to get caught.
Need more on those topic Doug!
Berkey and doug friends again...AWESOME
Really loved the conversation/debate on theory. Mixed in. 2 similar but different points discussed . Doug more of this stuff. Postel talk I’m hooked but I wish wasn’t, it’s killing limited study time. Like a good mini series. Foot note since I subscribed to Joey I’ve been winning.
Time to return to the GOOD OLD DAYS of Poker Stars, Ultimate Bet & Full Tilt! Yesiree!
My prior judgement of Berkey was based entirely on watching big hands - usually with non-standard play. But HEARING him express himself now leaves me no doubt that this articulate, thoughtful man is more than an intellectual match for his detractors. His poker style may well lead him to some spectacular losses, but I now suspect these derive NOT from basic errors, but from an analysis not even considered by his critics.
Tim Sullivan Deep.
100% agree
I don't like his style, but it's pretty much unique
I once heard a very respected sports bettor (perhaps one of the most respected one ever) speak so highly of Berkey and how brilliant of a poker mind Berkey is. This person is also an avid poker player and Berkey was his poker mentor years ago.
@@kevincloonan9787 Thanks. I am quite ashamed for having so easily formed an opinion based on little more than one-side, ridicule-laden, results-based reviews of his most spectacular fails. Lesson learned.
Like a case of being two levels above, you end up owning yourself and leveling yourself into bad spots. Berkey is sometimes over thinking and sometimes trying too hard to make plays.
It's impossible to adjust for play which makes no sense and it's possible to over adjust and expect people to understand your previous adjustments.
The Doug and Matt rivalry has been absolutely massive for Berkey haha I didn’t know who he even was before that.
Postle has full custody of his daughter, he can’t be guilty.
That's effed up bro..makes him think..was it worth it
Postle said he had a daughter though
And he has 100% custody so hes not allowed to leave Sacramento
MICHAEL PHAN Look, having a massive blot clot from lower leg to torso is exculpating evidence.
Blood clots, single father, ultimate bet kingpin, credible acquaintances to vouch for him. Game over. He’s clearly innocent.
@TheFallsCapone Yeah, I'm really wondering if everyone here is just being sarcastic or if they actually think all this bullshit means anything. It sounds to me like saying the teacher inappropriately touch students because he has two teen daughters and had a stroke. None of it is evidence of innocence and the evidence is very clear and can't be explained with the bullshit said in this thread at all.
@TheFallsCapone I'll probably forget. Thanks! I'll go watch it :D Found the vid. I would have appreciated a link though, but it's pretty hot news so it already popped up in the recommended list.
Big props to Matt he's a very smart dude i like him
BERKEY IS 🐐🐐🐐 LEVEL... GREAT CONVO DOUG..💪🏽💪🏽👌👌👌👌
All this stuff is so weird to me. I've played a ton of poker in my day and live less than a mile from Stone's. I've never played there once because I got a really bad vibe off of the place. Guess I was right!
@Say less I feel ya but that place is even more greasy now in my mind. Another thing is this is kind of a bad area and it's fancy as hell. I grew up playing the casinos that this place became and they had a much different feel.
I know we're in a different time but I shouldn't need to feel like I have to dress up to play poker
@@scoony68 I'm just here to say I love your pic. RIP Carlin the greatest
I wouldnt play there, even off stream. The place was running a crooked game, then shit on the people that caught them. They're cheaters, flat out, and nobody should give them any action.
@@dm0065 That's exactly right. With this amount of evidence it's really hard to believe that more people didn't know also. I mean besides the 3 obvious ones. What's funny is part of me wishes that I went one time to play so I was involved in this trial. I really hope justice prevails. These are sick people.
also, i think you may have a phantom power issue with your microphone.. it keeps kicking in and out of full quality... i.e. 48:32
Is there a gaming commission that should be notified?
Cheaters conspiring with a casinos equipment to the tune of 300k or so, sounds like a something to me. Someone employed by the casino was involved in this. He didn't sneak in there and add his phone into the casinos computers, applications etc. . DEFINITELY an inside Job. Inside the casino. Commissioned, by the gaming commission. This is a big deal.
Jay D you shouldn’t walk into a legitimate card room and worry the odds are stacked against you. So yes this is a huge deal. Poker players aren’t playing the house and everyone at the table not counting in skill should have the equal odds of winning.
Jay D no but there is plenty circumstantial evidence on camera that proves a investigation should be launched. If you know anything about poker then you should see for yourself why it raises Suspicion.
@Jay D zero evidence? Do you understand how math works?
Jay D just shut up you have no clue who you are talking about. Barkey plays in some of the biggest cash games out there. He’s won millions. You are a complete moron.
Can we get a update on Mike Postle please!? I want to know that he has been financially destroyed and totally bankrupt. I want to know that his poker privileges have been permanently taken away and he's had his ass stomped!!
Not guilty. So...
RESOLUTION: Position the card readers (camera or RF) either to the side of each player or by the dealer.
If to the side of each player, the player registers the hand when folding or at end of hand.
If the reader is near the dealer or in middle of table, each hand is registered by the dealer when folded.
So there is no record of each hand until after the fact, and the information cannot be intercepted, observed, or used to anyone's benefit during play.
Commentators will need to be on a delay for this to work seamlessly to the viewers.
Listen to SLUMSON music.
That’s not the issue. And it’s so unnatural that it wouldn’t work. Players muck their hands by habit.
@@MrJamberee Yes, it is the issue, for there would be no issue if player hands werent being read by a device. As for it being unnatural, yeah kinda but showing your hand to a reader is already unnatural; it's a minor adjustment that ensures you cannot be cheated at tables with hand reading devices. Mucked and folded hands would be read when folded or simply go over a reader before hitting the muck pile.
@@SinImageProductions that is not a valid solution for broadcast.
@@bubba200874426 lol... good input. Here's an equally detailed and well thought out reply: Yes it is.
Putting all the pieces of the postle together!
Love Berkey coming on. Great guy
I don't think this interview would happen today lol
Berkey seems like a GREAT guy.
great chat! berkey should be a reg guest
Playing devils advocate! Which doesn’t need to happen in this scenario. What is the “postability”,this guy just had 18 months of sick reads with any number of non cheating strategies. I will tell you this. It only happened 1 time over about 1000 sessions I’ve played live in my life time about 13 years of playing. I played on my birthday! I took a .8 of straight molly. Excellent quality molly from Belgium as a gift from my friends for my b day. I played at Foxwoods. I built a 5,000 ish stack in about 8 hours at 2/5. I wasn’t playing a bad strategy or bad pre flop ranges. I was able to see things I had never seen before because of the drugs. Honestly. I was seeing sweat in spots where ppl were bluffing huge. I was seeing neck throbs which still need to be interpreted. I was betting small and check raising huge. I couldn’t be beat for 8 hours. HOWEVER I started coming down, way down. Sweating on the rails! Having trouble focusing as well. I could then hear the whole room better than I could hear my table. Which was the complete opposite effect I was having over the first 8 hours. My friends were trying to get me to come party but when they saw what was happening they didn’t want to interrupt this Bday heated. Longer story short I have gave back most of it and cashed up up 2,300. Is there any chance he was using drugs or micro dosing perfectly. Because I can tell you, pure mdma if you can handle it at the table. Can create amazing recognization of peoples emotions and fake emotions. Hence why I was making perfect plays for about 7 to 7.5 hours. Obviously I should have left b4 I did. So much so that a gentleman who was writing a book asked me for an interview once I told him what was up he no longer wanted the interview! I was speaking to him like
Poker comes in waves and you have to ride the waves lol. This is a 100% true story
Almost all molly seized by the DEA has zero mdma in it.
@@timothypeer7005 Notice at the beginning he said it came from
Belgium
1:30 hrs.
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what's the stunning twist??
Have to ban phone from poker table.. Everybody win, it make the players talk together, for the viewer it make the stream more entertaining.. Overall it makes the game better.
I think this applies to life in general too; phones are taking away from the present moment experience!
@@adbethsing383 Woow i was expecting to get insult in the comment.. Really glad you see it that way too.
This is my new favorite Netflix detective show !!! 🤙🏼
47:10 Berkey: "we were debating what our Google drives were worth." What is he talking about?
The spreadsheets and files they kept about their poker strategies. They probably complied large data sets of tens of thousands of hand histories that showed tendencies (of the general population at whatever stakes their were playing) and adjusted their play to exploit and win more money.
For example, if they found people were raising too light, and over folding to 3 bets pre flop; they'd widen their 3bet range accordingly to exploit this.
A large part of what a pro poker player does is statistical analysis, mainly online poker.
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Software Developer here, the problem is fairly simple to solve. You encrypt the RFID data and set a timer of say, 5 minutes. Then have the first stream on a 5 minute delay as well. The data will only be unencrypted after the 5 minutes and applied to the video then. Then after 25 more minutes it's send to the commentators. No one at all would see the cards then for 5 minutes. Not even the engineers.
Awesome interview, Doug.
What’s the stunning twist ?! I don’t have an hour and a half to spare here.
K. O. Clickbait. No twist.
Go to 24.00 minutes
30:41 Doug laughing.
The twist is no twist #mindblown
berkey thinks he mighta seen a blue screen on Postle's phone, whilst playing live, that looks like the live card GUI that card reading software transmits.. it gets mentioned for 14 seconds.. but it's implied that it is the causation for the title.
Doug check Jaman Burtons vlog from 10 months ago, minute 22, the video name is Avoid Mike Postle: Crazy 1/3 No-Limit game at Stones Gambling Hall, this was before all the Postle allegations
Pure gold Doug. Postle saved your vlog. 💯👏
How many atoms in the universe? The best guesstimate is a good illustration of the extraordinary increases in value that are not so apparent when comparing numbers expressed to the power of 10. So average human cell has about 10 to the 14th atoms. The ENTIRE universe? Low estimate is 10 to the power of...78! Raising the exponent from 14 to 78 and we go from atoms in one cell to everything. Wow.
Tim Sullivan This is the issue of scale. His win rate is of an almost cosmic scale. Even prior super users weren’t this blatant.
Cliffs: What is the stunning twist?
The bait got clicked. That's the twist
24:10
@@chadmichael03 hahaha good one
"but we didn't talk about how that range changes when you know what they have". Lol, you nailed it Doug!
just knowing poker along with the stub of the deck and having knowledge of of all the other factors is enough to be a winning player without being 100% accurate.
It strikes me what strong witnesses poker players will make for Mac in the unlikely event this case goes to trial. I'm sure they've thought of this already, but on the off chance they haven't, I think Mac ought to play this angle up in terms of trying to push for a favorable pre-trial settlement. Crossing a witness like Matt Berkey must be the opposing counsel's literal worst nightmare.
Jason Somerville said his team at Run It Up upgraded the front of house including cameras.
"We had to get Goldie Locks off"
Lol
Haha same.
Such a shame these guys couldnt find a way to do more like this. They have such different ways of thinking and neither plays a yes man. Doug on Only Friends as the co main voice with Berkey would make for such interesting poker talk. Well, this was fun to watch after all these years, especially with Postle trying to get relevant again. Thanks to both of them for making this happen, even though only once.
Hope we can all learn from this experience. Protect yourself. Nobody else will.
Wow, Berkey is such a sweetheart. 3 of you should try one. Joey is a loud one and likes the social part. Matt is more strategy and uses less words, but they are all gto. So makes a funny contrast. And Vanessa has a combination of those two.
Isn't there a gaming commission in CA? what about the DA? There must be a state authority, above the casino, that would be the place to go.
45:00 Doug: "Poker players are weird!"
Matt: [really weird response]
The Manhands it’s true. A lot of best pros are nerdy as hell. Like Ike haxton. Weird dude but excellent player. I’d be considered weird all day everyday to be a poker boss
The Manhands lol
Just checked his Hendon Mob record, nobody can run that good that consistently.
Postle has a direct connection to the ip. He’s viewing the game real time.
has this been proven? (genuinely curious)
But here's the thing..... it doesn't need to be "proven" just a reasonable doubt that his winnings weren't legit
29:50 how are you losing money on UA-cam.. or you referring to opportunity cost
i think he runs most if not all of his videos without ads... add to that time and equipment and you could potentially be negative...
He pays an editor
Why would he run without any ads? I don’t think viewers would object
@@Carlito1980 I think most people would be perturbed if a channel suddenly starts putting in ads that weren't there before. Besides Doug plays in huge games in Vegas, I doubt the money he loses is anything he's overly concerned about, definitely does this UA-cam stuff because he enjoys it, not because it's particularly lucrative.
I actually got into a crazy feud with another friend, I had to weigh the molar mass of the universe vs permeations of a deck of cards...
Doug, please try to get someone from the card company on your show, would love to learn more about cards being 'mis-registered'. Thanks.
I agree with Matt on the net positive effect. I'm not a poker player other than family get togethers etc, but find this whole thing fascinating! More than anything watching Doug's analysis of strategy and digesting all the evidence against Postle, it makes me want to brush up on my little to non-existent poker skills and play more often!!
You guys are talking about different hands. It was the PLO hand where the gfx didn’t get switched from Hold’em to PLO so the gfx was only showing two cards. He then went into the commentators booth and asked the commentators “what happened with that PLO hand where there were only two cards picked up”. How would he know the gfx only showed two cards unless it was after 30 minutes had passed. It could have been more than 30 minutes, but we didn’t get info on the amount of time that passed when that hand ended and when he went into the booth.
That one too give him away. Only way he would know was if he had live access. If that is not enough to indict him, I wonder what it will take!
Can you share link?
Dustin Black it’s on one of the joe Ingram or Doug Polk videos where they review hands. Don’t remember which one.
Automatic Card shufflers also come up with a pre determined shuffle. I'm sure this would not be impossible to find out in which order the cards were shuffled. And which burn and turn cards will be coming after the flop.
Omg you both were in the Hollis game at sun coast?????? Holy shit, how do I not remember you guys. I wonder if either of you remember me....that's si crazy....he was always at red rock and the 2/5/10 game was at sun coast on Wednesdays.....so crazy
Lol old man hollis was a great person....I wonder how he is doing nowadays....wasn't it at Palms for a while too? I could be wrong about Palms but I'm positive it was at Suncoast on Wednesdays and was a 3k max buy in. Also I know he was a regular at Red Rock. Do either of you (Doug or Berkey) remember or know my name? Muhaha aka justin M. Played in that game sometimes when he wasn't getting 86 from the M for telling a pregnant dealer he hopes ***** why giving birth. This is so crazy lol. Do you guys remember justin aka Muhaha on full tilt?
On the RFID thing. If the cards actually did use RFID, then basically any half decent cell phone could read the cards. Granted the range would be short, maybe 6" tops. But you can buy after market dongles and make that range turn into 6'. Have it in your sleeve, have feedback system to phone/head thing.
I understand Rep. Adam "Shifty" Schiff is going to investigate. He'll be completely fair and unbiased.
I know this took place a long time ago but it’s fun to rewatch in hindsight. Also,
Polky and berk make a great tag team. I like yalls balance
This conversation is gold
Mike Postle may be the only guy who could unite DPolk and DNegs.
Wouldn't surprise me if Berkey got called as an expert witness.
They will bring in the manufacturer’s expert.
Pretty simple sue him and have lawyer get all his phone records including all texts and sites visited and when .
My thoughts exactly. I doubt he had all his bases covered. If he wasn’t so greedy, he’d of never got caught. Greed equals stupid. There’s definitely a trail.
Pretty easy to get what downloads were made on the phone.
My solution is simple. Have a hole-hand reader (RFID or one-way glass) that all folded cards are read. When a card is in play, no one can see the player’s hole card except the player. But once a player folds, it must pass through this reader for registration and delayed analysis.
I played in a high stakes Nor Cal game @15 years ago - a dealer played in the game and always sat in the 2 seat. When he drew to a flush a straight or a tiny set he always hit. That means he folded the flop when he knew he would miss. The dealer can flash the 2 seat the turn a river when he drags the chips to the middle of the table, rolling the deck, his thumb on the corner of the deck. I thought something was up when he always sat out on a left handed dealer. I started watching more closely and saw it w my own eyes and stopped playing in the game. If you know the turn and river card and are drawing to the nuts you don’t have to care what your opponents hole cards are. Anyways interesting apostle like the 2 seat.
14.5 years in the criminal justice business (and make no mistake, it's thoroughly a broken system) and I know two truths: 1) Every bad guy hates snitches. 2) Every bad guy snitches the second it is beneficial to them.
Someone will crack.
Same here, just a little less time. You forgot one important thing: Someone only cracks if they're being pressured. Don't forget this is in CA and they have the most corrupt and incompetent system in the country outside of the federal system. I don't see this ever being criminally investigated. Not only because they just don't give a damn in this jurisdiction, but also because if they did they could easily be bribed to look the other way. The damn CA gaming commission (the very agency that's supposed to investigate and prosecute crimes such as this) refused to even acknowledge the situation and interview a few people. They said to call the DoJ. Really?! This isn't a federal issue, it is a state issue. Why exactly would the DoJ be investigating a cheating scandal at a local casino regulated by CA law? Outside of the civil suit nothing will ever come of this.
Mike Postle is going to be playing for smokes in prison☠
Prisons don't allow smoking. Ask me how I know.
Smokes and soups
@@ReachOutToWilliam yeah but prisons don't "allow" rape or stabbings but...... they still happen
57:20 was a beautiful segue back to the topic at hand.
Postle bringing people together!!!! thank you for this Mike...(no chance for such a nice interview between these two)...he's not god in poker but he's the savior in real life...
What did you all think about the pokerstars Barcelona laptop scandal. I asked the head of online security for pokerstars and he said it was their own fault for leaving their laptops in their locked hotel rooms. But how did they know who to target.
Hi.. anybody has the link to the Documentary Matt Berkey refers to on the last part of the interview?
Thanks
BOYCOTT STONES... THAT'S HOW YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
This is great stuff Polk!
He sounded like Sean Evans at the end with the outro 😂 watching too many episodes of Hot Ones Dougie? 🔥
This is actually very easy to solve. Someone that lost to Postles could file a civil lawsuit for fraud against him. Assuming you get past a motion to dismiss, you can get “Discovery”. If he’s using his phone there will be text messages or download history, I.e., someone was sending him texts as to the cards or some kind of program that reads the sensors in the cards.
Likelihood of not cheating even estimated at 1 in a million is a major underestimate in my opinion. Compare just 100 hands of consecutive perfect river play to flipping a coin 100 times and correctly calling heads 100 consecutive times. What are the odds? Then also consider that many might believe that the correct river decision maybe less than 50% each time given the circumstances of play in each hand. Then factor in that "value" or ideal bet sizing was also seemingly accomplished with exactness. The true odds of not cheating is in the the astronomically rare range...ie number of atoms, grains of sand, identical snowflakes. etc etc