The Fumes Of An Empire: UK’s Chaos & the U.S. Midterms | The Problem With Jon Stewart Podcast
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The midterms are two weeks out and chaos just keeps building. The UK is cycling through Prime Ministers faster than they’ve cycled through James Bonds and their economic crisis continues. In the U.S., election deniers are whipping themselves into a frenzy ahead of the midterms. Jon is joined by British journalist Gabriel Gatehouse to run down what’s happening in the UK and what his reporting on QAnon and election conspiracy theories might tell us about the fate of our democracy in the post-election period - if we ever even get to a place where the election is over. Writers Tocarra Mallard and Robby Slowik are also here talking Ye, Adidas, and antisemitism. Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts now!
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Calling election denialism a “genie in a bottle” is kind.
It’s the shit we’ll never get back into the horse.
And, it was never a claim that was believed by Trump...not once, ever. He floated it before the 2016 Election saying he'd only accept the results if he won. And in July 2020, he had already formulated denialism as his strategy long before a single vote had even been cast...(see Steve Bannon's audio). I love that line...that horse will never have to experience a retrofit bowel movement.
Get some long gloves and start fistin 🤢
Holy smoke😂😂😂😂😂
Are we referring to people saying Russia stole the election in 2016?
Great analogy,also it made me spray wine onto my keyboard.......through my nose......thanks :)
This is like eavesdropping on a super interesting, complex, empathetic, and harshly realistic conversation about current events--fabulous podcast
My thoughts exactly
I especially enjoyed listening to the girl who says "Oh no" in the beginning.
How quick they forget Hollywood so white
This was a good episode and I entirely agree. But not as good as the one where war criminals Condoleezza Rice & Hillary Clinton get a foot massage from supplicating Jon Stewart while he allows them to gloss over the murder of Muslims.
@@thomasmclean1361 yeah, they're both right 💯👍 I'd say it's a composite of whites, jews & white Jews and the white Jewry chooses the blacks, who happen to love white jewelry. 💎 Bling bling
I am a 60 year old Canadian male and have lived my life being very proud of my southern neighbor. Unfortunately I think I’m watching the end of the greatest democracy the world has ever seen fall apart in my lifetime.
it does appear the great experiment of Democracy cannot hold up. The founding fathers could not foresee the type of people that America has created. The liars, the conspiracists and the huge number of people who are not smart enough to see thru it. Where was the failure? Poor education, something in the water or the diet? Corrupted religion? IDK. I just feel like crying.
No offense but I've never wanted someone to be wrong so badly.
We're not all fucking nuts down here, kid. May need a place to use as an alternative rally point in a little bit, though. I ain't finna go out without a fight.😉
IKR? I can't actually get my head around American politicians backing RUSSIA! Never in my life time could I imagine that happening
@@TraumaQueen65 Republicans are losing their mind. They use to be the extremist about hating Russia and now want to be friends. They’ve fallen. Can’t stand 99% of them.
PBS News Hour is a much overlooked treasure in our media sphere.
and NPR!
Agreed!!! That and Democracy Now are my main two go-to sources to listen to. Despite claims from some that they're "too corporate", they're really not compared to most... Amy and Judy are phenomenal journalists, among many others on their reporting teams.
When they were talking about no one watching PBS News I was like "🥺🥺🥺. . .✋😂" So I'm glad it's not just me here who does, lol
Miss their cultural presentations too - conductors, music, ballet, etc.
@@celestejones6315 I think some folks forget that a lot of Gen X grew up on NPR and PBS. We're ensuring our kids know about it, too, as reliable media, that covers a lot of different cultures and perspectives.
@@kristiw.1823 I hear that, lol. I'm a 28 year old millennial parent of two youngins ages 1 and 4, and I already try to instill in my older one (in an age appropriate way, of course) the ability to be more conscious of and media literate regarding biases, credible sources, spin, etc. They're gonna need those skills, for sure, especially as I imagine issues like this are going to get a lot worse before they get better...
so love having Jon & CO back in the national conversation.
Especially the girl who says "Oh no" in the beginning.
I think Gabriel is correct. We're not playing the same game anymore and I'm terrified to see how the rules get made up for the next iteration of our sham democracy.
Your fear was not misplaced
I think none of us want to feel like everyone pities us because of something that just makes us who we are. That’s the uncomfortable feeling.
Or that anyone’s safety or well being on a society depends on a hashtag that could just as easily disappear the next day…
At this point, as a trans person, I'd honestly take the pity of everyone over what we currently have
I think it's not just the pity, I think what a lot of us are feeling uncomfortable about is the willingness of others to categorize us. What most of us really want is not to be stood by as "X category," we want to be stood by as *humans* first. If I say on twitter I stand with X group, it may sound supportive, but it carries an implicit message: X group is different from my group. That when you get right down to it, that is a lie. The things that unite us should be much more important than the things that divide us.
That's why it's toxic to "show your support for X group."
“Do we get healthcare?”😄
8:38 "I have to do what I have to do John, there is no cabal getting me spots" what a great line.
Jon
I mean... But there is. Like, that's exactly what a manager does, that's what talent is paying them for.
"It just makes me feel like an other" That hit a nerve. Darn.
Takara, I cried over Sandra Bland, and Tamir Rice. We protested here in Cleveland. I think more people have been speaking out and standing up than you might think. It finally went viral when It was SO obvious on film. It's nice to see some change but like with most things it just doesn't go far enough. Just have to keep pushing forward.
John's genuinely angry which is rare . I feel your anger sir . Stay strong . You raised me politically
Well if he did you are one lost/lied to uniformed person
@@theoldtimelinexxx453 its easy you're either a "have" or "have not" which are you? To think someone is out there telling the whole truth is disingenuous at best. If you Believe people are out there being lied to then you think your being told the truth. When its simple you either have money and can do as evil or positive as you see fit.. or you work for a living and get to do a lot less of either. We are all being lied too and the rich get to do extravagant things. I don't think you care about truth only getting satisfaction thinking people are being lied too. Idk UA-cam is a bad place to believe in people anyway. I'll be rich one day and regardless of what anyone thinks I'll be pool side living in luxury..
@@theoldtimelinexxx453 never mind I looked at other post of yours and regret even engaging...
Same. I watched the daily show all throughout highschool. I'm now leftist (not liberal) so it's not like I've stayed on the channel I was flipped to at an early age, but it was still a good "baby's first questioning of authority and rich people" starting point.
Ha! Me too. I went to the Rally To Restore Sanity And/Or Fear in the early to mid 2000's.
Now this is what I'm talking about an hour-long podcast from John Stewart I love it
Two minutes in, five minutes in, nine...Jon... I wish I could hug you. You have helped raise cascading generations of thoughtful participants. You're one of my favorite people in the whole world.
Please pardon previous flashbombs in your comments. They were a family fight at a reunion, you just didn't see me standing there until I started crying. It was not you that I was mad at. Please feel the Love, its real.
Being Hispanic I feel the same when they say the caravan is coming 🤣🤣
When Trump started using "caravan", I had an image in my mind of people riding camels across the southern border, like in that movie with Peter O'Toole.
@@RM-ed1if as a former Dodge dealership employee, I had a different image as well
@@RM-ed1if ...as opposed to miles-long hordes of people walking the highways?
@@stephenmorring3370
"hordes"?
Why not "crowd" or even teaming crowds to denote your perception of their number?
Speaking of terms that make us feel like the "other" or dehumanized, "Hordes" would not be my first choice of nouns to describe non-zombie humans.
And I'm not policing your speech, I'm just being observant and wondering why we choose the words we use.
@@RJCHOICE Perhaps, English isn't your first language. In that case, I'll give the dictionary definition snowflake: "a large unorganized group of individuals : a teeming crowd or throng"
My definition perfectly describes the situation -- whereas yours doesn't.
Hordes has always referred to "humans" you dufus.
I think the key with children (in particular) food insecurity is that it instils guilt, which makes you want to shy away. This grooming BS is about fear, which causes anger toward the object of your fear.
It's also easier. Donating to charities, volunteering at food banks and child care centers, campaigning for reforms, that is a lot of hard work. Why bother when you can just rage at trans people and feel like that's saving the children?
@@austinluther5825 ah, but you miss the real point: they don't give a shit about children. In fact, looking at statements from alt right shitheads and age of consent/abortion laws across the country, the Republican opinion seems to be okay with harm to kids, as long as it makes babies and furthers their power, ignorance, and hate.
Fortunately, food insecurity statistics are misleading. They don't mean what people think they mean. Food insecurity just means that, on a survey, you say that you want more food than you have. 10% of households in the US are identified as food insecure. The median BMI of food insecure households is not statistically different from other households. And, on a longitudinal basis, food insecure households actually have a higher BMI. 10% of US households are not starving.
None of this is to downplay the real tragedy of when children starve - which should never happen. In the US, a little over 100,000 children are wasted, meaning that they are significantly underweight as a consequence of food shortage. Those kids are starving. But that's under half of a percent of the children in the US. It's nowhere near 10%. So, "food security" statistics are misleading and they are used to drastically overstate the problem. The much larger health concern is obesity, which affects 14.7 million children in the US.
I do take issue with relying solely on median BMI as a measure of food insecurity. It's not just the calorie count, but the nutritional content of those calories that matters. I don't even think this is a controversial point.
@@ballman2010 Absolutely. BMI is a terrible measure of health. But it's a great measure of starvation. People with high BMI aren't starving. They might be eating the wrong foods. They might need to eat more rice and beans and fewer processes foods. But that's a different problem from people starving because they don't have access to food.
The children in the US who are wasted are victims of parental neglect. It's not an issue of their parents not having access to food. It's important to understand the problem because it changes how we address it and which solutions will be effective.
A lot of free school lunches, for example, are a driver of obesity. It's not okay to feed kids fried meat and mashed potatoes every day. That doesn't mean we get rid of free lunch programs. But we have to replace those with healthy options and not just the foods from industries that lobby the USDA.
Gabriel is responsible for some of the best reporting of the past 20 years. It's such a shame that talented people like him feel like it's better to leave the BBC. This Tory government's whole strategy is based on weakening the BBC to such an extent that people will no longer want to pay for it.
They want to privatize it. Same here in the States. At the core of the neoliberal (Thatcherism/Reaganism) ideology is the belief that private sector business folks and "free markets" will always do a better and more efficient job allocating resources. This has been proven false, but neoliberals still believe it. Lots of brainwashing out there.
Nah the beeb's been in decline for 20 years pal.
You're making assumptions about his reasons for leaving the BBC.
@@Ozymandi_as Not really. Don't you leave somewhere because you think things will be better (in whichever way you want to measure it) when you do?
@@blertstain people choose to move on to new roles, or go freelance all the time. You're OP implied that the BBC had become intolerable, and he had no choice but to leave. That reveals more of your attitude to the BBC than it does about his. People have been leaving the BBC to do something different for as long as the BBC has existed.
Jon's face was so funny when Gabriel said the right started to think that the idea of a cabal of satanic pedophiles was too far-fetched. I literally laughed out loud.
Jon might be starting to realize how out of touch his long hiatus has left him. He'd do well to spend some time catching up with ethical, unmuzzled journalists like Max Blumenthal & Aaron Mate.
I feel the need to point out that the trans panic started well before Qanon was even a thing - after the religious right in America 'lost' the fight over same sex marriage, they explicitly and openly pivoted to going after trans people because they were an easier target. And it was brewing even before that, frankly.
I'd say trans panic kicked into high gear in 2012, the "Transgender Tipping Point" year. Then Qanon came along in 2017 and floored it, and after the 2020 election they pushed that shit into hyperdrive.
4chan also goes after trans, women, minorities. It's a cesspool that needs to be purged, it even started q
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Rachel Maddow has a podcast going on currently looking at ultra-nationalism in America during the run-up to WWII. It has an eerie echo.
Jon, I agree it is isolating and as a kid growing up in a middle class christian neighborhood, the very first thing that made me feel isolated was when I entered kindergarten and the teacher asked each kid to stand up and introduce themselves to the other classmates by giving their name, and birthdate and what nation their ancestors came from. Diane, Hi I am Diane and I'm Italian cause my ancestors come from Italy. Then Jimmy stood up and said my ancestors come from Ireland and I am Irish. And then there was Gerard and he says hi, my family comes from Norway and I am Norwegian. Then it's my turn and I stood up and said, hi, I am Robin and my family come from Russia and Poland. And I am American. One of the tough kids, Buster, was very bold and said to me, but I thought you were Jewish. And I felt like crawling into a hole to die since the ignorance and acceptance about Jews was never mentioned until it was. And I fought all of my school days to be in with the cool kids, like straight blonde hair, and homecoming stuff, but somehow that just didn't make the grade because I came home one day from school and "Kike" was written on a window of my house and I got frightened. I internalized that fright growing up suffering depression, and observing my bipolar mom going in and out of the hospital for years getting shock treatments. And when my first ever redheaded Catholic guitar playing, surfing, boyfriend broke up with me, it was for a younger, cute little Irish Catholic girt who was a cheerleader and a gymnast. And I didn't know why then, but over the years, I realized that I was always gonna feel different especially during the holidays when I would have to explain to everyone how I didn't celebrate Christmas.
I'm so sorry to hear that. It just sucks. No sugar coating it. This country is supposed to be built on freedom of speech and religion, but it seems to be you have to be a certain religion to be okay. I'm not Jewish or Christian (anymore) and I don't feel comfortable to be openly my faith because the stereotypes are awful. Nothing as disturbing as antisemitism, but it still sucks a lot. And I feel.very alone and isolated because of the judgement. No one should have to feel less than for any reason. And yet, here we are. It's awful. Sending hugs. This antisemitism and intolerance of other faiths is just bullshit!
I just want to thank you for sharing that and I’m sorry you went through that. I’m not sure what time period this happened but I was in grade school in the 70’s and my father had a job where he got transferred a lot. It wasn’t until the 3rd grade and we moved to the outskirts of Philadelphia that I ever even learned about the Jewish faith and that was because during the month of December the bulletin boards were done half Christmas, half Hanukkah. We celebrated both. I am forever grateful for that. That was the only school I ever went to that did that and I went to 6 different grade schools. Lol. I think all schools should do that, we would all benefit in the long to make everyone feel included. ❤
I'm so sorry you went through that! This is not how it should be!! I grew up thinking the United States was just that ...United. I always saw us as the "Great Melting Pot" of the world and we were going to show the world how we could live in harmony...I'm sad to say we still have a lot of growing to do as a nation!
@Tiny Dancer and to those who have responded so far to them: ❣️❣️❣️
That sucks. I am so sorry.
These conversations are so revealing . Unfortunately they seem to enlighten those of us already on board.
I'm happily trans and I would've offed myself if I didn't have access to trans-affirming care. I just turned 35 a few days ago and will be celebrating 7 years transitioning in January. I'm not no damn groomer and I'm terrified of this rhetoric.
As a gay man who has faced a LOT of homophobia in my life from my “white, straight, Christian, conservative midwestern” background that I came from, I really appreciate EVERY time someone speaks up in support of my community whether it’s in real life or on social media. Allies are important and when people are spouting hate and division, I think it’s important for those of us that care, even when it doesn’t effect us directly, to voice our support. I don’t feel condescended too or anything like that. I do support people of Jewish faith and descent, black lives absolutely matter, women should have the power and authority over their own choices and bodies and I’m proud to support all those communities even if I am not specifically part of those communities.
But what's even better is to just openly support all people. Because "community" is also a word that is used to divide and other.
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Timothy I'm 76 and went to hairdressing scroll in the eightys.I met many gay men their were quiet a few their I found them to be extremely funny quite good at hair dressing.They always wanted to borrow your. Shoes my feet were small and the just couldn't fit into my size 5 and half.It sure was fun to watch😂I had a lot of colorfull scarves so that made up the small feet .I didn't know what begin gay ment back then,when I did learn it didn't understand wht that should bother me because it never did,I also never care about the color of someone skin color. Their is just too much anger and wasted time being spent on stuff that that. Honestly is no one's business but the people involved.❤Tim stannd tall and free and please always be safe.
@@sharoncronin5053 thank you very much for sharing that! Very beautiful and it means a lot!
Queers Jews and blacks we've always been in this together some parts of these communities have radicalized in become more adversarial then friendly this is worrisome but if those of us that understand Liberty and what people like Lenny Bruce and Martin Luther King Jr we're talkin about I believe we'll see it through Shine the Light Into Darkness
The people shocked about the rise of explicit antisemitism in the US apparently suffered from America's "it can't happen here" delusion.
Most of us did. It seemed that we were able to keep it on the fringe.
If you think “it can’t happen here,” you haven’t paid attention to US history. Explicit anti-semitism has been around forever, and has been mainstreamed many times, particularly in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s.
@Sara Mill Here's a better question: What the fuck have those questions got to do with anything?
I don’t think we’re necessarily shocked because it’s happening here. I think we’re shocked because it’s STILL happening here.
@Sara Mill Why Is it important to determine whether or not all Jews are saints?
Love the podcast Jon...telling it like it is..Honest and Direct...so refreshing.....Montrealer and Huge Fan...
As far as I can tell, almost ALL of the systemic problems in American politics, can be traced back to the vast amounts of money being mainlined into the political system. For if " money is free speech", then vast money is the equivalent of screaming so loud, it drowns out the little guy..... why would politicians bother with concerns or 'Joe', if all their wealth / Power comes from the companies with the resources of a medium sized country?
I agree! I will not be surprised when the extreme court decides that gunfire is speech & must be protected but only for the right!. Perhaps the GQP already harbors that ugliness in their Christian zeal! 🤮
This was fun, informative and naturally, crazy, thanks to Jon and his huge brain. This is now the best podcast on the air.
Jon we love your take on things. I'm mutt, native American, English and Irish. Most people in this country are mutts. Why they feel to need to hate certain groups of people never made sense to me. I doubt it ever will. Oh I forgot a Welsh great grand father. Mutt.
Man, so much going on in this episode. Feel overwhelmed, but love your work!
We're all one..unity in diversity!
I understand why you're trying for optimism. That being said Jon, I think that unfortunately we are heading for that "crossing the Rubicon" moment.
It’s safe to say we’re all screwed. Except the 1%
Yup
I don't believe that, but I'm an optimist
Excellent show once again. It's so point on that I can't decide whether I should be depressed by all the shortcomings of humankind or hopeful that people like Jon and his guests are around.
"...when people put up the black squares and all that stuff... did you feel supported or did you feel, like I feel, not condescended to, but a little bit, it leaves me cold in a way that I didn't expect..."
Support was the original goal, but what I discovered when the social media posts started appearing and when the lawn signs started going up in 2020, was that I didn't know relatives, friends and neighbors as well as I thought. There is some power in a good neighbor putting up a BLM sign.
Great episode, I love seeing you have people that don't just blindly agree with each other all the time on the show. Let's see some diversity of opinion.
Can’t stress this enough
Yes! That's very important, because without that you can't actually have a real discussion. And real discussions are direly needed.
I especially like that girl who says "Oh no" in the beginnning.
My Favorite podcast episode from the problem! Hilarious and informative! Great chemistry
Thank you. The more awareness and calm conversation the better we will be able to think and act. Human beings need time to think so that we act and become better.
The system we have is so reliant on honorable participants, I agree with your guest that our democracy is finished.
Just been listening to Gabriel's podcast. It's great investigative journalism, as always from Gabriel. But what strikes me again and again, is that QAnon, may be the single largest and most devastating example ever of Poe's Law.
True!
Likewise, Trump’s entire schtick is satire but none of followers realize it.
Then again, neither does Trump.
Thank you Jon! That's exactly what it feels like, at 7:53 you articulated my life! I suddenly felt the Killing Me Softly lyrics in an uncomfortable way and although I'm laughing as I'm typing, it feels like the kind of laughing that fills an uncomfortable silence. I actually looked away from the screen when you were talking 😆
So yeah, thanks for that Jon. Seriously, I really am sorry You experienced that because it's very much like losing your virginity. You don't ever get your innocence back.
Yeah. Kind of like that point in growing up where you begin to see your parents not as the superheroes they always seemed to be, but as the lost and harried souls just like you. When you realize that the corporation you gave your life to for twenty years doesn't even see you as a human being. And when the country your grandparents gave their lives to to defend and keep "free" would just as soon enslave you, lock you up, or label you as the enemy when it suits their purpose. Weather to engage in politics or opt out and just look out for number one is a moral and philosophical question based upon how disillusionment shapes you.
Thank you for forefronting the explosion in anti-Semitism, Jon. I am very grateful to you.
Jon, i packed my go bag and left 4 years ago, just a couple of months before 11 members of my community were murdered around the corner from my kids hebrew school
This is nothing new, they are just saying the quiet part out loud now.
Jon Stewart needs to run for president. Everyone knows it. He knows it. The fact that he absolutely does not want to do it; is all the more reason why he is just the person the country needs.
This episode tasted like the 1998 McDonalds Szechuan Mulan sauce. Bring me more.
You are the Rickest Rick.
Rick Sanchez lives!
Is that u Morty
Great stuff. Love your insights!
I love this guest and a healthy discussion on the 2020 election and how every little thing impacted it.
Jon, neither you nor Tocarra are anything other! You are human and loved.
As A Brit, and have said many times what Gabriel said at the end, which I totally think is the case, is that for all the crazy stuff we have going on in the UK politically, it's nothing compared to the states. If a British conservative politician went full qanon in an interview or blamed the jews for something, they'd be gone. But in America, it'll get you votes and you'll be labelled 'extreme'. But you'll probably still be elected.
Jon gives such a reality at the same time a funny outlook on how dumb this country is ! Instead of solving problems ppl focus on other unimportant things ! 🤟💪💎
1:25 into the show and I'm laughing *hard*
Adidas could adopt the slogan
"..it couldn't hurt." 😅
That might work on me, as a slogan. It would seem honest.
I wish he would explain in more detail about his mortgage. Did he have a variable rate and that's way his and everyone financed in England with a variable rate, went up so drastically. I learned my lesson at an early age, never, ever get a variable rate on your mortgage unless you are just flipping houses, and even then you are taking a risk.
Love you Jon let your guest finish a sentence.
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I love this episode! Thank you for the honest and in-depth and humorous reporting and analysis.
Honest... I guess finally conceding the truth about Hunter's nefarious pay-for-access schemes years after the relevant election and still deflecting about the content of the "formerly-fake" laptop is considered "honest" in some circles.
I have a business that is based in a town with a relatively large Jewish community. Most of my most frequent clients are Jewish, I am black, have been with me and supported me long before the BLM movement and I have found them to be among the kindest, supportive and forgiving people I have ever had the privilege to do business with. I don't know that those are tenets of their faith, so much as acknowledging our connection to our larger family of humanity.
Great discussion.
I would love to see y'all get someone on here like Andrew Seidel to talk about Christian nationalism with QAnon and the insurrection and other nonsense. I feel like that's a phrase and an important undercurrent missing from the conversation around these events and ideals a lot of the time.
But this was a great discussion with you all, and the world would be a far better place if half the media was having more honest and important discussions like this on the regular. And thank you for posting these on UA-cam for free for us to access, too!
The only issue would be the other party to the conversation would need to be rational and agree on basic facts!! You can't even start to have a discussion most of the conspiracy theorists because their perception of facts, as it's been told to them for many years now, are in fact false. They have probably been walled off in this right wing information silo for years now! It's literally been proven scientifically that those that tend to lean to right wing are as a whole less open to changing their minds when presented with new facts. Right wingers are literally less open minded than people who lean left. They need cult deprograming at this point, which is sad! Everyday people are not equipped for dealing with those sucked into cults. We do the best we can, but it hasn't been enough thus far!
@@rashellysirendragon16 I couldn't agree more. Authoritarianism is one of the deepest core "virtues" of the right in terms of how they're able to get so many people on board with their bullshit out of blind, unquestioned obedience. There's a lot more it would take for things to be fixed in our current sociopolitical climate for sure, but I would also venture to say that a lot of mainstream media outlets consumed and created by the left aren't doing nearly enough either, which has been a major longstanding problem, too Not that they're nearly as bad as the coverage on the right in any remote sense, because nothing can beat the level of disinformation and propaganda that does substantial harm to our society like they do... But case in point, the coverage of the PACT Act as Jon's talked about in other episodes. Or the neoliberal-at-best coverage that doesn't do nearly enough to counter the disinformation from the other side, while at the same time trying to not seem too "partial" when right-wing media is anything but, and yet somehow also stirring up infighting on occasion in ways that are really menial and waste our time and energy. Or ignoring certain issues for the wrong reasons when that silence is then used against those on the left anyway. But I absolutely agree. Nothing is gonna be enough unless some major shift somehow miraculously could happen with a whole portion of the country that is unwilling to think critically about the people in power they're so willing to support on blind faith alone, among other issues that keep people tied to right-wing political ideologies (Christian nationalism, individualism, varying forms of systemic oppression, etc.)
@@celestejones6315 I ABSOLUTELY agree with you! The mainstream media in general in this country is all propaganda, whether it be right wing fascist ideology or the corporate, war mongering neoliberal capalist motivation of the other side. It's manufactured consent no matter how you look at it. This country is barely a democracy, but definitely an oligarchy led nation. The vast majority of media is controlled by the very few ultra wealthy to push their agenda, using any means necessary. I feel like authoritarian fascist regiemes have mainly controlled the masses with fear. Pushing the idea that if someone else is given something that it must be taken from you. I am befuddled by the mental gymnastics that right wingers must perform on a daily basis just to keep that fragile facade of their wrapped reality maintained in the face of so much overwhelming evidence to the contrary!! But then again their all mighty orange Jesus can never admit a mistake. My dad has fallen prey to the black hole of Facebook and Fox right wing narratives....I've yet to find any tiny nugget of hope that I may one day pull him from their grasp.
@@celestejones6315 I think a democratic candidate could get through to a large group of people if they ran on a pro firearm platform. Not nrcisarilly a pro murder by firearm platform, but one that isn't demonizing responsible firearm owners.
@@celestejones6315 corporate media is there for the clicks & money, not our edification!
Ok, the "I sent them my avails" SHOCKED a laugh out of me, especially when followed up by "Hey, if we're part of a cabal-"
At 41:00, I felt compelled to add that Jessie Gender did an AMAZING breakdown on Matt Walsh's _What is a Woman_ that discusses the perceived flow of power in exactly the same way.
She is fantastic. She always explains things in such an interesting and understandable way. Sucks that UA-cam made her reedit the video over a stupid mannequin.
I literally had to cut this off in the 8 minute because the “othering” made me too emotional. I know all about it. I’ll finish watching later. #sigh
great show to everyone involved
Such an interesting conversation. John's comments on whether or not the big lie is just a time in space is very optimistic. But I hope he's right. Kind of seems like denying election loses is now the norm.
listen if your smart you know that Hillary said and promoted the same thing in 2016. that is if your smart and not ignorant so the big lie started with her
@@jjohnson8977 i agree completely. But the difference is Hillary then came out and conceded the race.
It's amazing when you draw back and observe humans that we are so horrific at putting good positive people in leadership positions. It really speaks to us as a species.
That's because half the human species is horrific and could care less about the common good.
@@ld4974 it's so disheartening really.
Thank you all one od the best discussions ive listened to
I couldn't tell if he was being sarcastic when he asked "I thought Americans loved the Queen?" NO not at all. Monarchy is disgusting. One person should never get to decide the laws for everyone.
really appreciate the added context for the whole hunter biden laptop thing. i used to just roll my eyes and stop listening whenever it was brought up (and perhaps i still should), but now i have more insight into the back story.
You rolled your eyes, because he was on your team.
it’s still overblown. just not as overblown as i thought
@@stephenmorring3370 wrong, bcuz he's never worked for his fathers administration or his senatorial staffs... unlike Trumps kids who were supposed to be government employees when they were on the dole from other countries
@@nolongerblocked6210 ...but, but... Trump!
Joe was Vice President when he arranged meetings with Hunter's associates. That's exactly what they'd both arranged: pay for access to the VP of the USA.
It's all OK if they're on your team.
52:30 "I have similar tapes I can send you"
Okay, THAT has got to be the funniest line this episode.
not really
@@r.p.mcmurphy6623 why comment that,?
The problem I have is with the laptop's chain of custody. Mirror, stripe, stripe again with changes, mirror, and done.
THANK YOU for mentioning "Stewards of children" I didn't know about that before!
I appreciate the input on allies, but it leads me to questions that may be particular to me or some in my circumstances.
I am working class, living paycheck to paycheck. I have NO physical friends anymore just acquaintances, and the people I have in social circles online are now concentrated to those that still fit in the bubble that the algorithms have put us into. I try to bust out but those in other bubbles won't talk to me in presumed fear of my otherness.
As someone who suffers from major depressive disorder because all I do is survive, work, pay bills, eat, sleep, repeat, it's difficult. Hell, my wife and I have not even been on a real vacation in over 15 years, the only breaks we get are when relatives die or the occasional holiday, and at 56 it gets harder every day. Added to the macro problems, that all have solutions, people fight about all the time, and it's a wonder I have not ended it all, my wife and son are pretty much all that keeps me going.
So when I cannot express my anger in public at the atrocities of a cop gunning down a child at a playground, and the many other atrocities that are too numerous to list committed against people of color. The helplessness I feel fuels my anger even more. I don't have the spare income to donate, I don't have the spare time to march, I show up when I can in my town square, but it's never enough.
So yes, I posted a black square, but please tell me what else someone like myself who is at the bottom and feels like they are sinking can do to make any kind of difference. I vote, I try to learn more than soundbites from candidates. But I am at a loss, and hearing that what little I feel I can do to show that I support my fellow humans makes them feel somehow less... is discouraging.
I hope you understand that this is not meant to devalue the feelings these events created in any of us, just expressing mine and the general helplessness at the bottom.
This is just my opinion. But there IS something you can do, and it's the only real thing that matters: and that is, simply, treat everyone in your life the best you can. That's all you really need to do. Maybe you're already doing it, and if so, then you have nothing to feel bad about.
The problem isn't so much the hashtags (although they can be inadvertently othering,) the problem is the hypocrisy that hides behind them. Too many people on all sides of the equation are filled with hate for some group or another. That's the thing that's poisoning us, as a human race. And when it comes down to it, you CANNOT heal another person's hate. That's why the only thing you can do, and the most important thing, is to look within yourself and try to address the hate in your own heart. That's the only thing that matters.
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I have no advice for you. Just wanted to say I'm with you dawg. Feel the same.
I'm a late 60 yo american. I'm just so sad about what's happening here. And I also do not understand prejudice. It's illogical and so damaging, like a disease, like cancer. But ppl who want to change what's happening have to actually do something, anything to be part of the change. Run for local office,campaign for people with integrity, volunteer for good causes...get involved. We are going to lose everything if we just sit on the sidelines. It's do or die time,my friends.
Love you,Jon. Been with you for years😁
There is a very simple one word way to explain Conservative or Republican motivation behind these ever crazier ideas, that's 'Control'.
in related news.... Adidas has named Pete Davidson as their new spokesperson!
Funny
Love to see Jon back. I wish I could be like him someday.
Read. Stay informaed. Learn to think critically and argue fairly. Work with empathy for all people. You can be like him.
@john dowe what's an "anazi" ?
@@kassistwisted You forgot to add the "sarcasm" symbol at the end of your post.
@@stephenmorring3370 what part of that comment is sarcastic? They are right.
@@Khronogi Not even close.
Incredible dialogue! Thank you!
When Jon tried to be hopeful at the end and everyone else was making that face we all do when our teen cousin gets so excited about Santa Claus, like "Gosh how are you so naive! I very much envy you..."
Too relatable
That's exactly right. Pick a group. Pick a social issue. It is all about humans being bad to other humans. Humanity is the problem with humanity. That is the core problem. It is not a sustainable way to live. We give to much voice to those who are advocating against the love of humanity.
Who likes Stewart??? 🤷
Many, many people. He's sincere and authentic and we need that now more than ever.
Veterans, first responders, liberal politicians, many ordinary citizens of both parties... how 'bout you?
As a Blackman I felt what he was saying. I do want my Jewish ppl to understand that a real convo needs to be had tween our ppl.
Best session with your writers yet.
Weak people are divided and conquered and before they know it and then they’re the ones that are being attacked. First they come for them and then they come for us. We need to stand together as a people.
To be in depth, the liberal democracies have so many exploitations to allow the foreign powers especially the Russia or C***a
Their goal is to divide and conquer any adversaries, not just weak people
I find the marginalized groups tend to be stronger because they deal with so much more on the day to day, and that the dominant groups are weak because of their privilege. This privilege is then reinforced by that group because of fear that their behavior will be directed back to them.
But yes, we need to stand together to quell the fears of those who would wish to dominate and show them that inclusivity leads to a stronger and more stable world/life/community.
@@It-b-Blair or the visage of strong men
@@It-b-Blair But is that actually true? Or is the idea of "privilege" the idea that is used to divide us? You can't actually measure how much "privilege" a person or group has, but it's very easy to rely on common sense notions to use this concept to pit people against each other.
The real weakness, IMO, is people who just follow without questioning. And that problem seems to have no ideological border.
@@Maytag99 privilege is very easy to discern. The veil of denial hangs heavy.
This grooming rhetoric has gotten way out of hand! The other night I was at a party, having a casual conversation with a seemingly chill guy I'd met. He was a long-haired stoner guy with tattoos whom I'd just played video games with; and, totally out of the blue, he asked me if I thought it was ok for people like me to be grooming elementary school kids.
I was fucking shocked and appalled. If your average, apolitical, apathetic folks out there are beginning to de facto accept this groomer narrative, innocent people are going to be hurt. And for the record, what happened to all of the Catholic Priests who diddled kids? Why are Matt Gaetz's child sex trafficking charges being swept under the rug? Who's on Maxwell's fucking list?
Hi, I know that jon always say he doesn't wants to be politically involved, but... I'm a Colombian, American citizen.
Watching this video I can only see how divided people of our world is.
Jon has so much influence, not only in the US but around the world. I wish at this moment he made the decision to run for office
I swear, when Jon said “Nike has Just Do It…”. I thought here we go… JUST JEW IT!
Maybe if actual change came with those hashtags, it wouldn't feel performative and othering. As is, most things that end up in hashtags don't get further than yelling online. I think a lot of people would love to do more, but don't know how. Especially when we are very aware that we have little sway politically, andany have little money to give.
It has to be largely from the advent of social media. It has deeply damaged society.
Also, actual change requires the people who are causing the problem to be decent enough to listen and care about the plight of the people they are hurting.
@@keithferris9574 it has also brought people into paying attention to politics than any other time. Problem is, our entire government has been molded to only cater to the crazy and the corporate.
T1J did a great video about that whole black square thing. A lot of what he talks about in that video seems applicable here.
#freetheweed
Scary episode. I do think I agree with Gabriel a little on the laptop issue, but i also understand why after the Hillary's email debacle, then the Mueller Report madness, why the media would be hesitant to jump into another hysteria like that. And there was definitely one mainstream media (Fox) that had no problem covering it every night.
Agreed. I'm also disappointed that they didn't mention a few things.
- The "10% for the Big Guy" email was sent by an investor to Hunter Biden and suggested that Hunter could hold that 10% "...for the Big Guy" but there is no mention of this type of deal sent from Hunter back to the investor and ultimately they didn't move forward with the project.
- Steve Bannon would not share the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop with main stream news media so they could not independently verify the story. Others in his orbit eventually leaked copies of the hard-drive, but when the story first came out you had Giuliani and Bannon (some of the least trustworthy humans on the planet) claiming to have information that could easily be forged. I don't see how main stream medial could have done anything under those circumstances.
I will point out that mueller report did indeed have smoking guns that should.have ended the traitor. It clearly.ahowed he broke the law multiple times and was lying about it the entire time.
Yet he countered that by just lying about what it said and everyone seems to have believed him.
People under trump were arrested, Russia gate just didn't explicitly pin him down. It happened though.
I’m Irish and emigrated to New York in 2006 met and married a Jewish man . He had asked me unfortunately: are you sure you don’t have a problem me being Jewish ? What are you talking about? Was my response. It made me sad
Thanks for that!
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Jon I have followed your career for years and you never fail to provide excellent content and hard-hitting analysis thank you and well done
Unfortunately with the advent of technology we are witnessing the atmosphere of which capturing the primacy of the moment is perceived as personal relevance
unfettered anonymity coupled with the protection of the first amendment has open Pandora’s b o x
This technology has the utility of being beneficial to humanity with that being said we have to pluck out the good from the The salacious and unsavory and let us not forget sinister and evil
yes we are in strange times when obvious scathing the truth bald faced lying loud and obnoxious and spewing vitriol and racist and misogynistic messaging equates to likes
And amplified isolation here in America has distorted any semblance of a sustained in reaching and collaborative communities
In the beginning of this conversation there was mention of go bags
I the good and the righteous never retreat we stand in bold and stare malicious and menacing and hate and those that trade and practice Square in the eye
And the good armed with the knowledge of our solidarity in lockstep marching down hate
I am supposed to be impressed with this as journalism?
You spoke about less than the guy on the corner who doesn’t even know anything about politics.
Nothing about the brain 🧠 chip being released..
nothing about how this proxy war with Russia actually got started aka we moved in on Russia and openly kept threatening them..
no mention on us invading Haiti or why we would Be in Haiti aka Americas island of slaves.
No mention of how vulnerable we are to nuclear war ..
No mention to reports came out showing we have less than 60years of soil left because of big food industries practices of using chemicals to kill off life and dirty our air and water as waste water through ill efficiency practices which can be easily solved if we moved to using regenerate agriculture.
No mention of how our food has no nutritional value is why we are getting sick because of these farming practices of a controlled central power that has killed soil & ships things from so far that they are dead on arrival & just empty calories & sugars ..
No mention how in Canada they have been caught forcing those losing their house or ended up in the mad house to be euthanized against their will. .
No mention of how here in the states they want to also make being homeless a crime that if your found sleeping on streets will send you to jail for 7 years ..
I can go on forever .. we didn’t even mention how CIA did a cou in Ukraine before the war for example & been funding them to discriminate against the Russian speakers on boarder of Russia all to provoke Putin.
Wake up people ..
this dude is a shill just like the rest from mainstream media and the little ticktock and twitter influencers who are clearly pushing propaganda ATM..
They want to gauge you for oil and stop producing oil without paying any green energy infrastructure .. making everything more costly in world and forcing the last of what was left of small business and the middle class out of their homes.
These last two years we seen records broken for the 99% seeing all their wealth get funneled right up to the 1% in both the marketplaces and in taxes bail outs to the rich.
They are purposefully aiming to make you desperate and poor so to rob you of the last of the human rights you had as a first world country. In Europe and the United States. The people of the 1st world was the only competition of owning all world resources the 1% of the 1% faced. The only people who could still rebel and stop this “ reset” of turning all on planet in to slaves under insane psychopaths who only care about POWER.
We never been in more trouble in the history of the planet … and this is what “journalist” are talking about. Soulless creatures who sold us out just like the gov officials have.
Problem with that is the other side feels the exact same way. Keep pointing out similarities between their actions now and the genocidal nationalism their beliefs were founded upon. Yes. _Founded._ The Bible was their excuse all throughout, but _America_ as a concept is the crystallization of the world they really want. Look at the Salem Witch Trials. The similarities Evangelicals have with the Taliban. If you put them on the spot with these analogies, they either stammer, or are such religious fanatics they will attempt to justify such beliefs.
The biggest con in history has been convincing people that everything that goes against them is unjust persecution, while every win comes with God's blessing. They can't fathom that their takes might be shitty or harmful to other humans, leading to lower popularity. No, instead, it's a test.
Say a civil war _did_ break out. It would not go like it did the first time. Plus, this country's gotten too fat, lazy and comfortable. But smatterings of domestic terrorist bombings would straighten their shit right up, along with the realization that they need us for _their_ economy to function. And that's not even taking into account other nations waiting to pound us, especially after the horrid display we've put on for over two centuries.
Make no mistake. America's very much a "bad guy," taken as a whole.
I like what you said here, Lawrence "Laurie Lightfoot" Lancaster.
Jewish managers were the only ones in the music industry willing to work with black artists. Black musicians with Jewish managers brought blues to the WORLD!
You nailed it !!! And thank god they had the balls to do so ...did they make money? Yup , did the black musician get there voices heard ? Yup ....music is blind to race
@@dadnelson4008 yeah, and it's not like Jewish people were treated well in the late 1800s... It was two discriminated groups coming together.
Even with election deniers, the difference with the midterms, is a direct vote count, and not an Electoral College. So, popular vote wins.
Popular vote wins each district and state. But the districts are gerrymandered such that with a 50/50 split, Republicans have control of the house. State legislatures are gerrymandered even more extremely. And the rural bias of the senate dictates the same result. So, yes, but no lol.
The difference between U.S. and the U.K...it seems, is that the U.S. put frogs into Luke warm water, then brought us up to a slow boil, as opposed to the U.K.s water, that was already boiling when their frogs went in, so they all jumped out!
Great conversation
How many parents that worry about the groomers are enjoying porn hub at home? I feel like they have a guilt trip they're trying to cover up by projecting their perversion on the others in powerful places
Kanye West has left the Adidas OMG It's about time I knew people were losing their minds when they started wearing burlap sacks on their feet. Now it's time to get back to making some real shoes
Being a white daughter of the South, I wish I were other than what I am. Jews and people of color have large communities, family connections, true tribes. I've not felt that in years, not since I found out the truth of my ancestry. I don't want to be connected to those Europeans who tormented and killed people for centuries because of their religious beliefs and family. I want nothing to do with those who stole this land from natives by way of genocide. Nor do I care to be related to the people who enslaved, abused, raped and murdered Africans. I would truly love to be other than what I am. You folks are wonderful.
This has been the most painful 15 minutes I endured since the last time I endured 15 minutes of whatever this was.
I LOVE hearing commentary from ppl who were born, raised & live in other countries- ESPECIALLY Gilbert! 🤎💜💙💚
I'm so conflicted right now I can hardly write this (no one cares, but I do)... I'm listening to the pod cast of this on Google podcast and Jon. Jon Jon. I know you don't read these but here is where I'm going to put this to practice what I will eventually find a way to reach his ears. I kept waiting for the guest to say, "see how easy it was for me to lie? None of what I just said is true and it's why I left the BBC" after all his mortgage had just doubled, and one couldn't lie on BBC but telling the truth doesn't pay a fraction of what lying pays. the laptop Jon? REEEALLY? IF this guest had seen those things on a laptop... There is no Hunter Biden laptop. Rudy juliani paid 5 million dollars for this, he had paper print outs of contents... the FBI looked at what was presented and they said it was rubbish. and now they're are four hard drives that Rudy Giuliani claims he had and don't forget about the psychiatrist that allegedly had the laptop at one point. For gawd sake Jon.... REALLY?! ALSO, Hunter Biden was not yet with burisma (or as Dumpy called it bariceema) when this alleged China deal went down. this is disgusting I'm very disappointed. if we have lost Jon's reason... it's all hopeless
"DEFERRED RECKONING" that's a great point...also a good title for the UK version of the coming trend of apocalyptic decolonizing literature...
unbelievable we are going down this road in this country..... I can't understand why people hate so much