this comment is flippant but i'm actually binging your videos to help keep me sane now that basically my entire year of travel has been cancelled. i really appreciate all of your videos and i hope you're holding up okay! much love!!
I remember when WestJet started in the 90's they were modelled after SouthWest employing only one type of aircraft to save cost. I didn't really occur to me how much WJ grew their fleet outside the 737's. I find the range of the C series, given its size, quite impressive.
One thing I think factors into this is the type rating. The wide-bodies and the turoprops aside, it's easier to move pilots around on routes if your fleet is all 737-X series aircraft. The -600 through -900 (non-max) are considered the same type for pilot certification so a pilot could fly a -600 one day, a -900 another, and a -700 a third day as they're the same aircraft essentially. Add in this C series into that, and you lose flexibility because a pilot has to fly a certain type all the time, he can't fly a Dash-8 one day and a 737 the next.
I love this aircraft, both from an Above Wing and Below Wing perspective. I work for a certain carrier that has quite a few of these now down south in the US. While the C Series has some teething issues right now. That will clear up once the supply chain gets caught up. Weight and balance is sometimes an issue but with the MTOW changes I believe this is helping. Having worked it as a Gate Agent, this planes 2/3 seating makes accommodating families a bit easier. Especially when seating groups of 3, 4, or 5. The Middle seats are wider then the others on the aircraft so the comfort levels are good even for middle people. Boarding is quick, no need to check carry on's as ample bin space, its great. Working it now from as a Ramp Agent, the aircraft is quiet. Super quiet, you can barely hear the thing taxing into the gate sometimes, which is scary when you think about it. Loading and unloading is pretty easy, and pretty quick. You don't feel cramp when in the bins like a 738/9 or Mad Dog so you are not killing your knees and back as much. It has the wide bin spaciousness feeling like on Airbuses. It high enough off the ground so its easy to connect ground air. The aircraft's APU is so efficient that during turns, ground power is not connected because it cost more to use ground power then to using the APU. For passengers it is a pleasant ride with large onboard entertainment screens and jet engines so quiet. You wonder if you are even flying. Reminds me of the old 727s. Incredibly proud of what Bombardier was able to build. The C Series is such a game changer, but its a shame that every thing happened the way it did. An aircraft meant to help break up the duopoly is now the future star gem of Airbus.
737 rather to old or not efficient enough or grounded everybody knows 757 /767 quite good freighter but quite soon to old to expensive for modern passenger service, discontinued 787 Expensive, Engine trouble no freighter version possible 777 LR /ER heavy good as a freighter but today to expensive 777x still no in service delayed, to heavy to expensive engine trouble
My fictional airline would start out with old used aircraft such as the MD-80's from AA that they just retired and outright purchase them since they are really cheap, and use the money saved on completely refurbishing them with D-checks, and modern upgrades to the cockpit/avionics and interior, and fly them for about 10-15 years so the airline can quickly build up a route network and eventually replace them with new airplanes. My airline would basically have the fleet plans of Allegiant Air but the business model kind of like jetBlue (except it wouldn't be a LCC and would be all-premium-economy with free in-flight services and entertainment) My airline's current fleet planes would include: Ultra-Long Haul: 767 Long-Haul: 757 Mainline: MD-80 Regional-Long: Fokker F70/F100 Regional-Medium: Beech 1900C/D, Shorts 330/360, Dash-8 Regional-Short: Cessna 208B Grand Caravan Future New Aircraft Potential Replacements: Ultra-Long Haul: 787-8 Dreamliner or 767X (hypothetical re-engined 767 with GEnx-2B67's and 767-400 landing gear + wings) Long-Haul: 737-8ERX, A321XLR, 797/NMA, or 767X (hypothetical re-engined 767 with GEnx-2B67's and 767-400 landing gear + wings) Mainline: E-Jet-E2, A220, 737 MAX, or 797/FSA Regional-High: E-Jet-E2 or A220 Regional-Low: DHC-6-400 Twin Otter, ERJ, E-Jet-E2, or Dash-8 NextGen Regional-Thin: Cessna 208B Grand Caravan (new builds) As you can tell I'm somewhat of a Boeing fan, as the A220 and A321XLR are really the only planes I _really_ like from Airbus and would fit well with my hypothetical airline.
That’s silly. The industry would be unrecognizable if it weren’t for Boeing. The safety concerns are justifiable in the short term. But Boeing still makes the best airplanes in the world.
A220 would make a huge difference for WestJet. Excellent in flight product & with that airlines popularity growing year by year, they’ll need to make the upgrade off the -600s and -700s. I think it’ll happen, but not for a few more years, of course.
I'll say that they should for the following reasons: 1. They're adding a brand-new, clean-sheet design jet into their fleet 2. Despite the additional maintenance + crew training costs, the new, more efficient engines will recoup the cost pretty quickly 3. A brand-new, spacious cabin would increase comfort, which is ESPECIALLY in demand these days and drive up passenger numbers I mean, the A220/CSeries has proven to be very popular with passengers ever since it entered service, so I see absolutely no reason to not introduce the jet into WestJet's fleet, not gonna lie.
Exactly my thoughts.. the fuel efficiency and comfort levels should recoup a lot of the start up costs of the A220. Plus it's a Canadian built aircraft.. support local enterprise if they don't I could see them loosing out on alot of business
I have a feeling that your video might just get watched in the WestJet Boardroom, excellent video the A220 has lots to offer! The world just changed so you never know.
Nice video Alex hopefully you’ll still be able to fly to Rome and Dawson Creek. When they get back in service and I hope you’re doing well staying inside it’s pretty boring for me at least I don’t get to go to work at least I can sleep in so stay safe keep warm and stop the spread of coronavirus cheers Delores
Great analysis with the number crunching. Having seen the aircraft up close maintenance wise I can say it would be a great choice. Once the engine problems are sorted it will even get better.
I think Westjet will keep the aircraft they own and once the leased aircraft come to the end of their leases, give them back. What the near future holds only time will tell.
Hey Alex, I’m Jack Cameron. I got my mom to text you about that scanner that you use for plane spotting remember? I told you that I’ve been following you since you flown on WestJet’s inaugural 787-9 Dreamliner? Regarding the Airbus A220 [Bombardier C Series], I have sent an email out to WestJet’s current CEO Ed Sims on that particular aircraft. And I talked about the history of it. Now you are going to want to know about the history of how the C series came together and,, how the program had been taken over manufacturing, this aircraft. So basically the story is about the competition between Boeing and and Bombardier, it all started when Bombardier wanted to create a narrow body Aircraft that is as large as a 737-600NG which would be capable of competing with the little models like the Airbus A319Neo and the Boeing 737-600NG. In 2017, Boeing did not like the fact that the new C Series tips on the tale of the Boeing 737 MAX, and sued Bombardier for dumping on sales in the United States for carriers like Delta, and JetBlue. And even regarding the trade of aggressive production, The FAA decided whether or not that the C Series would be sold to Longview aviation. Originally, the C-Series was planned to be sold to Boeing in 2018, but even then, Boeing still wasn’t interested in taking over manufacturing the new C series so that’s when, The next thing you know, instead the C-Series was sold to Airbus as you know.
Alex, all things are possible, once we get through this 'global crisis' and the airline industry gets back on its feet again... Who knows what can happen in future productions of the A220's etc.. One thing for sure is, that the 'air industry' will never be the same again..... Bless you and keep on bringing us very informative videos...
It’s pretty near pre-pandemic levels now, it was always going to get back to pre-pandemic levels. The world has had many illness outbreaks and pandemics and always recovers given enough time
One thing to mention is that (again, other than the widebodies) WestJet flies all 737s for the NB fleet to not only keep maintenance costs down but also pilot training costs. All pilots are trained on the same aircraft so it is easier to schedule and also costs less as pilots aren't switching types when equipment bids come out. I would love to see the A220 at WS, I just flew it on AC the other day and it was great! Other than the IFE screens not working on a brand new airplane. I am a widebodied guy myself and I definitely appreciate the wider seats especially compared to the tiny 737!
it could have a chance but maybe for those replacing the smaller aircraft. like you said westjet could be trying to expand more outside of canada so it could have potential
As stated, the CSeries would be redundant and inefficient fleet wise vs staying with the same manufacturer. WestJet could use a regional jet for Encore to help boost some business routes. A 90 seat aircraft would be a good sweet spot to operate Toronto - Boston or a Calgary to Seattle route in the future.
The smaller A220-100 could replace the aging 737-600's and -700's when their time to retire comes up somewhat soon. Boeing's 737 Max is mostly the -8 and -9 variants, so the Max would have more seats than those older 737's.
I could see it every airline's fleet, not because I am a fan of Airbus, but I am a fan of FBW controls. 737 (while not a safety issue) still is using the old cables and links system. Again just my preference of the FBW system. Great video though. Be safe my friend.
0:20 well, the E-jets E2 dont have a 2-3 configuration, I personally rather to seat in a 2-2 configuration than having wider seats. Let's just say that seating in the middle row is not for me. Point for the E-JET.
Well, only 20% of the A220 seats are the middle ones. Which is ok as sometime people travels in family - thus 3 seats together is then usefull. But hey, better than 2X2 is 1X1, right? Why not travel on a PC-12 or better, a business jet? At some point, you have to balance out CASM and comfort to achieve the optimal mix. I believe the A220 achieved it (when we compare the A220 order book versus the E2s)
@@erictremblay4940 The A220 seems to have more orders because the E2 orders are scattered between all the versions, and most important, the E2 doesnt have engines turning off during flight
@ifp stop motions Let's say the A220 appears to have a much brighter future (# of sales, # of installed OEM approved maintenance outfits etc) than the whole E2 line up. The engine problem you're talking about has been solved by P&W via a software update. (Was some kind of "reasonnance" situation in a specific power settings/altitude etc). FWIW, Delta still ordered additional A220 while in full knowledge of this situation. The E190/E195E2s are indeed great planes, but are more like an RJ in term of comforts (narrower seats despite being 4 abreast, smaller windows, smaller bins) and range. But if an airline needs a smaller range aircraft for much "thinner" routes, then the E2 is the winner due to cheaper trip costs (not CASM) and cheaper purchase price. For longer routes, then the A223 wins in both CASM and capability/flexibility. Also the A220 can be a good complement to A320/321s on off-peak hours due to having a somewhat simillar range.
Yup The Airbus A220-300 Series would be good for Westjet too have after all alongside is mixed fleet of Turboprops & Jet Aircrafts then would make sense too have them but is up too the Canadian Carrier too take interest in buying them only for Replacing some of the older Aircraft like the Boeing 737-600's.
A few things they could do is retire the SAAB 340's simply because they are 25 year plus aircraft, and replace them with the Q400. The Q400 does well in the lower demand routes, and if they also Combi those aircraft they could haul cargo in them. The A220 honestly fills the majority of the domestic needs of West Jet, as well as flights to the USA. I think it would be short sighted if WestJet doesn't consider it, because the A220 could be acquired faster than the MAX. I think they may consider it if the MAX continues to remain grounded.
You should turn this into a series; Will (insert aircraft name/type here) work for (insert airline name here). One airline that would be interesting would be Air Malta, and whether they should order the A220, but there are many more options.
I agree it would work. The only issue is that B737 has a normal control wheel.. the A220 uses a side stick system. The means that pilots can’t move between models on short notice.
I don't wish for the a220 to have a place in the WestJet fleet, I wish the C-Series had a place in the WestJet fleet alongside the CRJ-Series and the Dash-8, making WestJet an All Canadian Airline.
I really enjoy your videos Alex I’m a Aviation Enthusiast as well I think it’s possible for them to get a A220 sometime in the near future depending on routes and Loads
Well, it seems a decent plane with huge savings for short-/medium-haul flights and pax like it a lot, it's spacious and has huge windows..Air Baltic flies it on RIX-AUH which is a 7h flight with a 145pax config. And they could juggle between the two models, CS100/CS300 depending on the needs of the airline..On the other hand, Boeing has targeted Embraer for buy-out, and the E2-195 is also a very good replacement, it's also lighter and cheaper..Azul flies it on a 136config. but its range is shorter compared..2600nm vs 3350nm of the CS300..If they do need the range then they should go for it..It's a fantastic little plane and God knows when the MAX will fly again..Plus, with the slump in bookings and predictions saying it's gonna take a couple of years to get back to the pre-covid19 levels of traffic, i think sth. fuel efficient with smaller capacity is gonna be needed..The big BUT here is the large number of owned 737s, which i dont know if they are going to be in a hurry to replace them, although other airlines are announcing accelerated retirement of older aircraft or not that fuel-efficient..LH,UA,DL etc..
The size definitely works and there is margin. However, being a Boeing airline they would be likely to go with Embraer consider the deal they working with Boeing. Personally, I love the A220/C-Series and would love to see WestJet operate it, but that May be a long way off!
The biggest mistake that WestJet fleet planning made was their purchase of the -600 variant, there is no way they will be selling them until they've flown the wings off them and they are being sold for scrap. The only market for them is 'Janet' who won't be replacing theirs anytime soon.
You forgot to compare the 220 with the Dash-8. When Westjet was a low cost all coach carrier, expanding network with Dash-8s was fine. But with Westjet eying becoming a standard airline, the dash-8 is a hindrance to grow Montréal-Toronto, especially as it uses gates on satellite terminal at YYZ-T3 with very long walks to connect to "real" flights. The 220 could allow business class and hopefully use of gates in main terminal, allowing Westjet to steal traffic from Air Canada. Even if the 737 MAX requires different pilot certification, I suspect the cross certification between 737 and MAX variants will be fairly simple, so easier for pilots to remain current on both and fly both in a month, which greatly simplifies crew assignments/planning. Introducing the 220 would mean introduction of a new class of pilots with all the overhead of needing spare pilots, separate training etc. What remains to be seen is what will be left of the airline industry post COVID. If demand shrinks big time, then the 220 might become a better fit than the bigger 737s IF high frequency is maintained. Otherwise, with lower frequencies, the larger 737s and perhaps A321 might become the desirable aircraft. What is certain is that the delayed deliveries of the 737 MAX is no longer an issue for airlines who now sit on a glut of unused capacity and certaintly don't need to grow fleet. However, once 737 MAX restarts, airlines flying older 737s will want to get their new MAX for fuel efficiency reasons. (as opposed to growing fleet). Also important to note that Air Canada didn't want to buy the C-Series, it was forced to buy it as a way to get out of violating its charter when it closed its Winnipeg maintenance base. In exchange for buying the C-Series the government dropped its lawsuit and Bombardier was to build a maintenance base in Winnipeg to bring Air Canada back in compliance. With AC's C-Series configured with charter class seat pitch, they are as unenticing as its new 737s. . Will be interesting to see if airlines feel a need to start to attract passengers at which point, bringing back normal 32" seat pitch might become interesting when demand is low enough that 32" seat pitch decreases costs (weight of empty seats in aircraft). I really hope Viking/de Havilland Canada manages to emerge from this as a winner. Having this crisis happen just as they start to want to bring back what Bombardier had abandonned for years is going to be rough. They are working to restyart production and get contracts on water bombers (wordking to develop CL-415 and offering the upgrades from 215 to 415 that Bombardeir had refused to offer, restarted productio of the Twin Otter, and now got responsibility to restart the Dash-8 sales. One last aspect: Bombardier/Airbus were unable to productize the A220 production and are still stuck are very low production rates. Westjet ordering them today would not get deliveries for quite some time. This was one reason Bombardier had to hand over its remaining 30% of the project to Airbus for pennies because it was unable to invest to increase production. Airbus was to increase prioduction after getting the now abandonned CRJ production hangars at Mirabel, but not sure now if this will happen post COVID. Bombardier Aviation first near-bankruptcy happened after 9/11 when it bragged about not lowering the huge CRJ-200 production rate it had while both Boeing and Airbus immediatly annoucne production rate cuts. Instead of admitting the mistake, it forced a strike a year later to force production to stop (Delta CRJs had been built and on tarmac at Dorval even though Delta had cancelled orders). AND more importantly, to bail it out, the Beaudoin family injected cash into Bombardier by buying the Bombardeir Recreation (skidoos and seadoos) from Bombardier in a form of recapitalisation. (with existing shareholder not getting any benefit). So the outcome of COVID19 is far from being known at this point. There are even talks of Boeing going chapter 11, or the US government buying a large chunk of it as a form of cash injection (like it did fo car companies in 2008/2009 and for Chrysler years before).
Believe your sum-up hit nail on head! Like the fact they 'own' planes, unusual but excellent feature for the future. The guys pretending to have airlines which are in fact just leased machines have little future in very difficult times but ironically, keep the banks/industry wheels oiled!
Yes! WestJet should consider the A220 variants. Airlines are still looking at the B737 MAX and it's variants. It's a plane that will fly again, sooner than later. It's only problem, is that it is a modified aircraft, from a very similar aircraft, instead of a brand new design, from the ground up. Airbus has other models, that might work, as well. It's hard to say. Air travel is growing. The airline industry will come back, bigger and stronger, than before.
It could do depending on how Boeing is going to survive the fall out of the COVID global recession and what will be the public back lash to the B737 MAX once it is re-certified. I do agree with you, the A220-300 would be good replacement for the B737-600 and B737-700 and if Airbus goes ahead with the A220-500. It will be interesting.
I haven't flown on the A220 yet but I'm a huge fan of Air Canada's A320s. I prefer them over Westjet's 737s in general. At least as far as economy class goes. I definitely prefer Westjet as an operator although I have been impressed a lot more with Air Canada lately. I'd personally like to see Airbus Aircraft join the Wesjet fleet but I think you're right. It's not likely to happen any time soon.
I'm actually surprised an ULCC hasn't gone with an all A220-300 fleet. They are considerably more fuel efficient than the a320 or 737, can fly to the typical ULCC destinations, and can seat 160 people in economy style seating.
I'll say yes but it probably wouldn't be for another 10-15 years. AC has so pretty old Airbuses they own themselves. I'd expect them to push the life span to 25-30 years if anything
I heard Lynx a new ultra low fair carrier based out of Calgary (2022) was gonna order the A220 but the wait time to get it was just too long, so they had to go for 737 Max. Maybe the got a sweet deal on them with 46 ordered ?
I think the CSeries/A220 will find a place in the WS fleet but not for a while. It is clear that the 737MAX will be the final iteration of the 737, so WestJet will have to move to another aircraft eventually for that segment of the market. If Airbus moves from the A320neo to a potential A220-500 keeping the A321neo for middle-of-market customers, how will Boeing respond? At that point, WestJet might very well move to the Mirabel-built aircraft. It's not like the A220 is going to be out of production anytime soon, so time will tell.
They'll need something for sure. Those NG's will eventually need to be replaced and a lot of the markets the 600/700 fly too probably couldn't support the max7 if they wanted to keep the routes daily. It's just sad there's nothing in that market except the A220, which while it would be a nice addition, it'd be a very expensive one as well
In august, I might take a flight from Toronto to Dallas, with westjet 737-600 to LaGuardia for a connection, and delta A220-100 to Dallas, so I can give you more income in that if you would like to know if they make a good replacement?
The time for the A220 will come when the small short und medium range planes will leave the fleets and air lines will up great 4 abreast jet engine planes
I would say since WestJet now has other planes that aren't Boeing this would be a great idea to scrap some of the remaining MAX orders and replace them with the A220 and the best seller A321Neo/LR if they want to easily connect to Europe
If WestJet does decide to order the Airbus A220, they could set up a subsidiary or give the aircraft to one of their current subsidiaries who would operate them under the WestJet brand.
Could well be. I would even pretend that additional A220s would be the perfect plan B for AC in case the Max doesn't fly anymore - or that nobody wants to fly it. (Loads are getting very light, and the 737 Max 8 is probably now too much of an airplane for what AC intended to use it for)
No. Simple answer is that they cant afford to. Look at Encore, how many Qs they bought and how many are in storage now because they couldn't keep up with the operating costs. Personally view, Encore attempted to compete with Jazz in my region and they had to pull out. We first operated a CRJ200 as a headstart 530am flight to YHZ it was 99.999% of the time full. They axed the RJ in our Region so WJ Encore decided to put a Q on, it would get anywhere from 4-30 passengers. So they pulled out, Jazz came back with the Q and were consistently full up until Covid-19. Months before this, they had a Q coming in at 1015am we had an RJ coming in 1020am both flights to YHZ. Jazz consistently full while Encore could get 25-50 alot of which were over booked from Jazz. Their numbers only slightly increased when Jazz pulled the RJ and were using a DH8-3 for this run prior to the Q.
Westjet is most likely making a bad move sticking with the max , buying some a220 300's is most likely a smart move. Nobody knows if this plane will be avoided when it comes back into service . Air Canada made a good choice
It's so sad though that Bombardier knocked it out of the park with this plane, only to lose it.
Because of Boeing and their greasy fingers.
I wouldn't blame Boeing.. Bombardier is a victim of their own mistakes..
It's better to lose the airplane than to lose the whole company.
@@ifpstopmotions9720 True, still wish they kept the name tbh.
Canada had the C series representing the country in aviation and the already amazing American company, Boeing, had to take it away.
last time i was this early my flights weren't cancelled
this comment is flippant but i'm actually binging your videos to help keep me sane now that basically my entire year of travel has been cancelled. i really appreciate all of your videos and i hope you're holding up okay! much love!!
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I remember when WestJet started in the 90's they were modelled after SouthWest employing only one type of aircraft to save cost. I didn't really occur to me how much WJ grew their fleet outside the 737's.
I find the range of the C series, given its size, quite impressive.
One thing I think factors into this is the type rating. The wide-bodies and the turoprops aside, it's easier to move pilots around on routes if your fleet is all 737-X series aircraft. The -600 through -900 (non-max) are considered the same type for pilot certification so a pilot could fly a -600 one day, a -900 another, and a -700 a third day as they're the same aircraft essentially. Add in this C series into that, and you lose flexibility because a pilot has to fly a certain type all the time, he can't fly a Dash-8 one day and a 737 the next.
I love this aircraft, both from an Above Wing and Below Wing perspective. I work for a certain carrier that has quite a few of these now down south in the US. While the C Series has some teething issues right now. That will clear up once the supply chain gets caught up. Weight and balance is sometimes an issue but with the MTOW changes I believe this is helping. Having worked it as a Gate Agent, this planes 2/3 seating makes accommodating families a bit easier. Especially when seating groups of 3, 4, or 5. The Middle seats are wider then the others on the aircraft so the comfort levels are good even for middle people. Boarding is quick, no need to check carry on's as ample bin space, its great.
Working it now from as a Ramp Agent, the aircraft is quiet. Super quiet, you can barely hear the thing taxing into the gate sometimes, which is scary when you think about it. Loading and unloading is pretty easy, and pretty quick. You don't feel cramp when in the bins like a 738/9 or Mad Dog so you are not killing your knees and back as much. It has the wide bin spaciousness feeling like on Airbuses. It high enough off the ground so its easy to connect ground air. The aircraft's APU is so efficient that during turns, ground power is not connected because it cost more to use ground power then to using the APU.
For passengers it is a pleasant ride with large onboard entertainment screens and jet engines so quiet. You wonder if you are even flying. Reminds me of the old 727s. Incredibly proud of what Bombardier was able to build. The C Series is such a game changer, but its a shame that every thing happened the way it did. An aircraft meant to help break up the duopoly is now the future star gem of Airbus.
Vanessaira It’s not quiet on approaches. The whale sounds it makes are incredibly loud!
If I had an airline.. I wouldn’t have a single Boeing in my fleet.. I’m not a fan of Being
The 220 is a great airplane in my opinion
737 rather to old or not efficient enough or grounded everybody knows
757 /767 quite good freighter but quite soon to old to expensive for modern passenger service, discontinued
787 Expensive, Engine trouble no freighter version possible
777 LR /ER heavy good as a freighter but today to expensive
777x still no in service delayed, to heavy to expensive engine trouble
Yes
My fictional airline would start out with old used aircraft such as the MD-80's from AA that they just retired and outright purchase them since they are really cheap, and use the money saved on completely refurbishing them with D-checks, and modern upgrades to the cockpit/avionics and interior, and fly them for about 10-15 years so the airline can quickly build up a route network and eventually replace them with new airplanes. My airline would basically have the fleet plans of Allegiant Air but the business model kind of like jetBlue (except it wouldn't be a LCC and would be all-premium-economy with free in-flight services and entertainment)
My airline's current fleet planes would include:
Ultra-Long Haul: 767
Long-Haul: 757
Mainline: MD-80
Regional-Long: Fokker F70/F100
Regional-Medium: Beech 1900C/D, Shorts 330/360, Dash-8
Regional-Short: Cessna 208B Grand Caravan
Future New Aircraft Potential Replacements:
Ultra-Long Haul: 787-8 Dreamliner or 767X (hypothetical re-engined 767 with GEnx-2B67's and 767-400 landing gear + wings)
Long-Haul: 737-8ERX, A321XLR, 797/NMA, or 767X (hypothetical re-engined 767 with GEnx-2B67's and 767-400 landing gear + wings)
Mainline: E-Jet-E2, A220, 737 MAX, or 797/FSA
Regional-High: E-Jet-E2 or A220
Regional-Low: DHC-6-400 Twin Otter, ERJ, E-Jet-E2, or Dash-8 NextGen
Regional-Thin: Cessna 208B Grand Caravan (new builds)
As you can tell I'm somewhat of a Boeing fan, as the A220 and A321XLR are really the only planes I _really_ like from Airbus and would fit well with my hypothetical airline.
I dont like boing eather
That’s silly. The industry would be unrecognizable if it weren’t for Boeing. The safety concerns are justifiable in the short term. But Boeing still makes the best airplanes in the world.
I gotta know, how did you get the CSeries in WestJet livery? (And for it to look so good)
Photoshop! :)
@@AlexPraglowskiAviation Can you do one with 747 or A380 as a joke? A bit too late for April Fool's though.
@@InfernalSatan There's always next year.
@@AlexPraglowskiAviation I can't do that
@@AlexPraglowskiAviation and it looks really really nice
I would absolutely love Westjet A220s!
I hope the WestJet adds A220s to their fleet, especially being a citizen of Calgary
A220 would make a huge difference for WestJet. Excellent in flight product & with that airlines popularity growing year by year, they’ll need to make the upgrade off the -600s and -700s. I think it’ll happen, but not for a few more years, of course.
I'll say that they should for the following reasons:
1. They're adding a brand-new, clean-sheet design jet into their fleet
2. Despite the additional maintenance + crew training costs, the new, more efficient engines will recoup the cost pretty quickly
3. A brand-new, spacious cabin would increase comfort, which is ESPECIALLY in demand these days and drive up passenger numbers
I mean, the A220/CSeries has proven to be very popular with passengers ever since it entered service, so I see absolutely no reason to not introduce the jet into WestJet's fleet, not gonna lie.
Exactly my thoughts.. the fuel efficiency and comfort levels should recoup a lot of the start up costs of the A220. Plus it's a Canadian built aircraft.. support local enterprise if they don't I could see them loosing out on alot of business
Great video. You should do videos like this more often
They would look very nice in the new WestJet colours for sure!!! Seems like it could be a fit in the future. Great video Alex!!!
I have a feeling that your video might just get watched in the WestJet Boardroom, excellent video the A220 has lots to offer! The world just changed so you never know.
Très très intéressant, merci beaucoup pour ces infos. ! 👌😎
Nice video Alex hopefully you’ll still be able to fly to Rome and Dawson Creek. When they get back in service and I hope you’re doing well staying inside it’s pretty boring for me at least I don’t get to go to work at least I can sleep in so stay safe keep warm and stop the spread of coronavirus cheers Delores
Great analysis with the number crunching. Having seen the aircraft up close maintenance wise I can say it would be a great choice. Once the engine problems are sorted it will even get better.
Hi your vids are the BEST
my only canadian aviation guy i watch . also the only channel i watch lol
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Yes I think WestJet should do orders of a220 for the yyc to yxx routes
I think Westjet will keep the aircraft they own and once the leased aircraft come to the end of their leases, give them back. What the near future holds only time will tell.
All Canadian airliners should order the a220
Hey Alex, I’m Jack Cameron. I got my mom to text you about that scanner that you use for plane spotting remember? I told you that I’ve been following you since you flown on WestJet’s inaugural 787-9 Dreamliner? Regarding the Airbus A220 [Bombardier C Series], I have sent an email out to WestJet’s current CEO Ed Sims on that particular aircraft. And I talked about the history of it. Now you are going to want to know about the history of how the C series came together and,, how the program had been taken over manufacturing, this aircraft.
So basically the story is about the competition between Boeing and and Bombardier, it all started when Bombardier wanted to create a narrow body Aircraft that is as large as a 737-600NG which would be capable of competing with the little models like the Airbus A319Neo and the Boeing 737-600NG. In 2017, Boeing did not like the fact that the new C Series tips on the tale of the Boeing 737 MAX, and sued Bombardier for dumping on sales in the United States for carriers like Delta, and JetBlue. And even regarding the trade of aggressive production, The FAA decided whether or not that the C Series would be sold to Longview aviation. Originally, the C-Series was planned to be sold to Boeing in 2018, but even then, Boeing still wasn’t interested in taking over manufacturing the new C series so that’s when, The next thing you know, instead the C-Series was sold to Airbus as you know.
They should I'd be nice, like if you think they should, liked!
Yup fa sure.
Great analysis here!
Sure would love to see more airlines use the CS100/CS300 as the comfort level is AMAZING!
Alex, all things are possible, once we get through this 'global crisis' and the airline industry gets back on its feet again... Who knows what can happen in future productions of the A220's etc.. One thing for sure is, that the 'air industry' will never be the same again..... Bless you and keep on bringing us very informative videos...
Kingsdaughter777 Smith Why won’t it be the same again?
It’s pretty near pre-pandemic levels now, it was always going to get back to pre-pandemic levels. The world has had many illness outbreaks and pandemics and always recovers given enough time
I think west jet will actually go with the erj 195
One thing to mention is that (again, other than the widebodies) WestJet flies all 737s for the NB fleet to not only keep maintenance costs down but also pilot training costs. All pilots are trained on the same aircraft so it is easier to schedule and also costs less as pilots aren't switching types when equipment bids come out.
I would love to see the A220 at WS, I just flew it on AC the other day and it was great! Other than the IFE screens not working on a brand new airplane. I am a widebodied guy myself and I definitely appreciate the wider seats especially compared to the tiny 737!
On a pax perspective no doubt. Can't wait to get onboard AC's A220.
it could have a chance but maybe for those replacing the smaller aircraft. like you said westjet could be trying to expand more outside of canada so it could have potential
tks for your video Alex Praglowski Aviation....i get more informations from your video.
As stated, the CSeries would be redundant and inefficient fleet wise vs staying with the same manufacturer. WestJet could use a regional jet for Encore to help boost some business routes. A 90 seat aircraft would be a good sweet spot to operate Toronto - Boston or a Calgary to Seattle route in the future.
The smaller A220-100 could replace the aging 737-600's and -700's when their time to retire comes up somewhat soon. Boeing's 737 Max is mostly the -8 and -9 variants, so the Max would have more seats than those older 737's.
Yes I want westjet to order the a220 to replace the q400. And it looks beautiful.
Yes, so they can fly St. John's to Iqaluit or St. John's to newark
The A220 should have a place in all airlines it is a remarkable aircraft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could see it every airline's fleet, not because I am a fan of Airbus, but I am a fan of FBW controls. 737 (while not a safety issue) still is using the old cables and links system. Again just my preference of the FBW system. Great video though. Be safe my friend.
Absolutely!
As always, a great video... Spot on!
0:20 well, the E-jets E2 dont have a 2-3 configuration, I personally rather to seat in a 2-2 configuration than having wider seats. Let's just say that seating in the middle row is not for me. Point for the E-JET.
Well, only 20% of the A220 seats are the middle ones. Which is ok as sometime people travels in family - thus 3 seats together is then usefull.
But hey, better than 2X2 is 1X1, right? Why not travel on a PC-12 or better, a business jet?
At some point, you have to balance out CASM and comfort to achieve the optimal mix. I believe the A220 achieved it (when we compare the A220 order book versus the E2s)
@@erictremblay4940 The A220 seems to have more orders because the E2 orders are scattered between all the versions, and most important, the E2 doesnt have engines turning off during flight
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Let's say the A220 appears to have a much brighter future (# of sales, # of installed OEM approved maintenance outfits etc) than the whole E2 line up.
The engine problem you're talking about has been solved by P&W via a software update. (Was some kind of "reasonnance" situation in a specific power settings/altitude etc). FWIW, Delta still ordered additional A220 while in full knowledge of this situation.
The E190/E195E2s are indeed great planes, but are more like an RJ in term of comforts (narrower seats despite being 4 abreast, smaller windows, smaller bins) and range. But if an airline needs a smaller range aircraft for much "thinner" routes, then the E2 is the winner due to cheaper trip costs (not CASM) and cheaper purchase price.
For longer routes, then the A223 wins in both CASM and capability/flexibility. Also the A220 can be a good complement to A320/321s on off-peak hours due to having a somewhat simillar range.
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BTW, the A220 has more orders the whole E175E2/190E2/195E2's line up.
Awesome video mate... hell yes to replace there B737-300’s... keep up the great work 👍🏻😃
Yup The Airbus A220-300 Series would be good for Westjet too have after all alongside is mixed fleet of Turboprops & Jet Aircrafts then would make sense too have them but is up too the Canadian Carrier too take interest in buying them only for Replacing some of the older Aircraft like the Boeing 737-600's.
Mitsubishi Spacejet should be the replacement for the old Dash 8s.
This is why it would have been really interesting to see what would have happened had Boeing bought/partnered with Embraer.
That would be so cool if they did!
the A - 220 is gold really .
A few things they could do is retire the SAAB 340's simply because they are 25 year plus aircraft, and replace them with the Q400. The Q400 does well in the lower demand routes, and if they also Combi those aircraft they could haul cargo in them. The A220 honestly fills the majority of the domestic needs of West Jet, as well as flights to the USA. I think it would be short sighted if WestJet doesn't consider it, because the A220 could be acquired faster than the MAX. I think they may consider it if the MAX continues to remain grounded.
You should turn this into a series; Will (insert aircraft name/type here) work for (insert airline name here). One airline that would be interesting would be Air Malta, and whether they should order the A220, but there are many more options.
I agree it would work. The only issue is that B737 has a normal control wheel.. the A220 uses a side stick system. The means that pilots can’t move between models on short notice.
Pilots move between Boeing and Airbus aircraft all the time in their career, I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem for Westjet pilots.
I don't wish for the a220 to have a place in the WestJet fleet, I wish the C-Series had a place in the WestJet fleet alongside the CRJ-Series and the Dash-8, making WestJet an All Canadian Airline.
I really enjoy your videos Alex I’m a Aviation Enthusiast as well I think it’s possible for them to get a A220 sometime in the near future depending on routes and Loads
Yes we want a cheaper a220 ride
Well, it seems a decent plane with huge savings for short-/medium-haul flights and pax like it a lot, it's spacious and has huge windows..Air Baltic flies it on RIX-AUH which is a 7h flight with a 145pax config. And they could juggle between the two models, CS100/CS300 depending on the needs of the airline..On the other hand, Boeing has targeted Embraer for buy-out, and the E2-195 is also a very good replacement, it's also lighter and cheaper..Azul flies it on a 136config. but its range is shorter compared..2600nm vs 3350nm of the CS300..If they do need the range then they should go for it..It's a fantastic little plane and God knows when the MAX will fly again..Plus, with the slump in bookings and predictions saying it's gonna take a couple of years to get back to the pre-covid19 levels of traffic, i think sth. fuel efficient with smaller capacity is gonna be needed..The big BUT here is the large number of owned 737s, which i dont know if they are going to be in a hurry to replace them, although other airlines are announcing accelerated retirement of older aircraft or not that fuel-efficient..LH,UA,DL etc..
yes I suspect you will see a220's in westjet livery sooner than you expect. some mid range cities would be more cheaply served by the a220
The size definitely works and there is margin. However, being a Boeing airline they would be likely to go with Embraer consider the deal they working with Boeing. Personally, I love the A220/C-Series and would love to see WestJet operate it, but that May be a long way off!
The biggest mistake that WestJet fleet planning made was their purchase of the -600 variant, there is no way they will be selling them until they've flown the wings off them and they are being sold for scrap. The only market for them is 'Janet' who won't be replacing theirs anytime soon.
WestJet upon day of order : We have chosen the A220 because of our future plans!
Ed Sims slightly over a year after entry:
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY
You forgot to compare the 220 with the Dash-8. When Westjet was a low cost all coach carrier, expanding network with Dash-8s was fine. But with Westjet eying becoming a standard airline, the dash-8 is a hindrance to grow Montréal-Toronto, especially as it uses gates on satellite terminal at YYZ-T3 with very long walks to connect to "real" flights.
The 220 could allow business class and hopefully use of gates in main terminal, allowing Westjet to steal traffic from Air Canada.
Even if the 737 MAX requires different pilot certification, I suspect the cross certification between 737 and MAX variants will be fairly simple, so easier for pilots to remain current on both and fly both in a month, which greatly simplifies crew assignments/planning.
Introducing the 220 would mean introduction of a new class of pilots with all the overhead of needing spare pilots, separate training etc.
What remains to be seen is what will be left of the airline industry post COVID. If demand shrinks big time, then the 220 might become a better fit than the bigger 737s IF high frequency is maintained. Otherwise, with lower frequencies, the larger 737s and perhaps A321 might become the desirable aircraft.
What is certain is that the delayed deliveries of the 737 MAX is no longer an issue for airlines who now sit on a glut of unused capacity and certaintly don't need to grow fleet. However, once 737 MAX restarts, airlines flying older 737s will want to get their new MAX for fuel efficiency reasons. (as opposed to growing fleet).
Also important to note that Air Canada didn't want to buy the C-Series, it was forced to buy it as a way to get out of violating its charter when it closed its Winnipeg maintenance base. In exchange for buying the C-Series the government dropped its lawsuit and Bombardier was to build a maintenance base in Winnipeg to bring Air Canada back in compliance.
With AC's C-Series configured with charter class seat pitch, they are as unenticing as its new 737s. .
Will be interesting to see if airlines feel a need to start to attract passengers at which point, bringing back normal 32" seat pitch might become interesting when demand is low enough that 32" seat pitch decreases costs (weight of empty seats in aircraft).
I really hope Viking/de Havilland Canada manages to emerge from this as a winner. Having this crisis happen just as they start to want to bring back what Bombardier had abandonned for years is going to be rough. They are working to restyart production and get contracts on water bombers (wordking to develop CL-415 and offering the upgrades from 215 to 415 that Bombardeir had refused to offer, restarted productio of the Twin Otter, and now got responsibility to restart the Dash-8 sales.
One last aspect: Bombardier/Airbus were unable to productize the A220 production and are still stuck are very low production rates. Westjet ordering them today would not get deliveries for quite some time. This was one reason Bombardier had to hand over its remaining 30% of the project to Airbus for pennies because it was unable to invest to increase production. Airbus was to increase prioduction after getting the now abandonned CRJ production hangars at Mirabel, but not sure now if this will happen post COVID.
Bombardier Aviation first near-bankruptcy happened after 9/11 when it bragged about not lowering the huge CRJ-200 production rate it had while both Boeing and Airbus immediatly annoucne production rate cuts. Instead of admitting the mistake, it forced a strike a year later to force production to stop (Delta CRJs had been built and on tarmac at Dorval even though Delta had cancelled orders). AND more importantly, to bail it out, the Beaudoin family injected cash into Bombardier by buying the Bombardeir Recreation (skidoos and seadoos) from Bombardier in a form of recapitalisation. (with existing shareholder not getting any benefit).
So the outcome of COVID19 is far from being known at this point. There are even talks of Boeing going chapter 11, or the US government buying a large chunk of it as a form of cash injection (like it did fo car companies in 2008/2009 and for Chrysler years before).
Yesssssss. They should order it today.
Believe your sum-up hit nail on head! Like the fact they 'own' planes, unusual but excellent feature for the future. The guys pretending to have airlines which are in fact just leased machines have little future in very difficult times but ironically, keep the banks/industry wheels oiled!
I like your content alex
it will be cool seeing a a220/c series in the westjet livery
Absolutely!!!! Don't think , just buy it!
Yes! WestJet should consider the A220 variants. Airlines are still looking at the B737 MAX and it's variants. It's a plane that will fly again, sooner than later. It's only problem, is that it is a modified aircraft, from a very similar aircraft, instead of a brand new design, from the ground up. Airbus has other models, that might work, as well. It's hard to say. Air travel is growing. The airline industry will come back, bigger and stronger, than before.
It could do depending on how Boeing is going to survive the fall out of the COVID global recession and what will be the public back lash to the B737 MAX once it is re-certified. I do agree with you, the A220-300 would be good replacement for the B737-600 and B737-700 and if Airbus goes ahead with the A220-500. It will be interesting.
West jet Sould order the a 220
I haven't flown on the A220 yet but I'm a huge fan of Air Canada's A320s. I prefer them over Westjet's 737s in general. At least as far as economy class goes. I definitely prefer Westjet as an operator although I have been impressed a lot more with Air Canada lately. I'd personally like to see Airbus Aircraft join the Wesjet fleet but I think you're right. It's not likely to happen any time soon.
A few years back I flew an E175 with AC and I preferred it over the 737 with WestJet.
a220 is the now and the future of narrow body
I'm actually surprised an ULCC hasn't gone with an all A220-300 fleet. They are considerably more fuel efficient than the a320 or 737, can fly to the typical ULCC destinations, and can seat 160 people in economy style seating.
I'll say yes but it probably wouldn't be for another 10-15 years. AC has so pretty old Airbuses they own themselves. I'd expect them to push the life span to 25-30 years if anything
It's complex but Canada needs to encourage more free enterprise innovation and manufacturing.More capital intensity..
500th like. Yes they should.
5:17 what’s the name of that program and where can I find it?
Agin great video
It would be nice
That would be great, more Canadian airlines should order the A220!
AC already did
I heard Lynx a new ultra low fair carrier based out of Calgary (2022) was gonna order the A220 but the wait time to get it was just too long, so they had to go for 737 Max. Maybe the got a sweet deal on them with 46 ordered ?
I think the CSeries/A220 will find a place in the WS fleet but not for a while. It is clear that the 737MAX will be the final iteration of the 737, so WestJet will have to move to another aircraft eventually for that segment of the market. If Airbus moves from the A320neo to a potential A220-500 keeping the A321neo for middle-of-market customers, how will Boeing respond? At that point, WestJet might very well move to the Mirabel-built aircraft. It's not like the A220 is going to be out of production anytime soon, so time will tell.
They'll need something for sure. Those NG's will eventually need to be replaced and a lot of the markets the 600/700 fly too probably couldn't support the max7 if they wanted to keep the routes daily. It's just sad there's nothing in that market except the A220, which while it would be a nice addition, it'd be a very expensive one as well
In august, I might take a flight from Toronto to Dallas, with westjet 737-600 to LaGuardia for a connection, and delta A220-100 to Dallas, so I can give you more income in that if you would like to know if they make a good replacement?
The time for the A220 will come when the small short und medium range planes will leave the fleets and air lines will up great 4 abreast jet engine planes
pax und peace - Do you mean “upgrade”? One complication is that, in the USA, some airlines are restricted to aircraft with 76 or fewer seats.
My grandma says they should wait till this mess is over. My grandma knows things.
Grandmas usually do.
Especially because no one knows when this mess will end. Hopefully sooner, rather than later.
It is a huge disadvantage to have airplanes from different manufactures on the fleet due to maintenance costs and pilot training.
WestJet is my favourite airline but I tend to prefer the places made by AirBus
Do a video on OMNR bushplanes please
I love Westjet my favorite small Canadian airline I would support Westjet to purchase Airbus and a320s as well
For mid-range, of course, yes
I would say since WestJet now has other planes that aren't Boeing this would be a great idea to scrap some of the remaining MAX orders and replace them with the A220 and the best seller A321Neo/LR if they want to easily connect to Europe
Sylva Simpenzwe WestJet has no mainline non-Boeing aircraft.
It won't happen, they're just too commited to Boeing ! Also their maintenance department knows the 737 inside and out and the pilots also !
If WestJet does decide to order the Airbus A220, they could set up a subsidiary or give the aircraft to one of their current subsidiaries who would operate them under the WestJet brand.
On a different note, do you think will this slowdown in aviation will actually speed up Air Canada's plan to replace the Embraer 190 with the A220?
Could well be.
I would even pretend that additional
A220s would be the perfect plan B for AC in case the Max doesn't fly anymore - or that nobody wants to fly it.
(Loads are getting very light, and the 737 Max 8 is probably now too much of an airplane for what AC intended to use it for)
Canadian buys Canadian. Short answer.. yes!
yes. i honestly like them way better than 737 -800
yes
Yes they should buy it so I can see it in a video for the first time west jet A220.
This seems to ignore an important issue. Who wants to fly on a Max? Even if they are approved for flight.
Roger Russell Most people will have no issue. Heck, most don’t know what they’re flying on at all. So, it’s a non-issue.
I’m all for WestJet buying the A220
That would be great. More jobs in Canada in that case
I’d rather walk than fly on the Max
This is a video about the A220
No. Simple answer is that they cant afford to. Look at Encore, how many Qs they bought and how many are in storage now because they couldn't keep up with the operating costs. Personally view, Encore attempted to compete with Jazz in my region and they had to pull out. We first operated a CRJ200 as a headstart 530am flight to YHZ it was 99.999% of the time full. They axed the RJ in our Region so WJ Encore decided to put a Q on, it would get anywhere from 4-30 passengers. So they pulled out, Jazz came back with the Q and were consistently full up until Covid-19. Months before this, they had a Q coming in at 1015am we had an RJ coming in 1020am both flights to YHZ. Jazz consistently full while Encore could get 25-50 alot of which were over booked from Jazz. Their numbers only slightly increased when Jazz pulled the RJ and were using a DH8-3 for this run prior to the Q.
Westjet is most likely making a bad move sticking with the max , buying some a220 300's is most likely a smart move. Nobody knows if this plane will be avoided when it comes back into service . Air Canada made a good choice
Air Canada’s MAXs aren’t going to be retired. In fact they’re still delivering them
Ngl the Airbus A220 looks amazing in the WestJet Livery.