Our best TASBot commentary yet: Final Fantasy all white mages no resets at RPG Limit Break 2019
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Thanks to TheAxeMan and Gyre, this Final Fantasy TAS played by TASBot has the best commentary we've had to date. For once we had a major event run long enough to explain the mechanics of the game, how a Tool-Assisted Speedrun is made, how the TAS and RTA communities support one another and cross-pollinate, and how Final Fantasy can be bent to our will. This run was flawless and is what we hope to achieve every major event.
TheAxeMan authored this Final Fantasy "4 white mages" run initially at tasvideos.org/2... and adapted it for console verification to remove all resets. We worked with Ownasaurus to build a new replay device compatible with micro500's visualization boards and used a script from TheMas3212 to play back this run. Much credit goes to the team that supported this effort.
RPG Limit Break is a yearly week-long marathon raising money for NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental Illness. The donations given during this run benefit their fantastic cause which you can find more information about at NAMI.org and I can't thank them enough for what they do. It was an honor to help raise money for this fantastic charity. The content of this video was posted with the permission of RPG Limit Break staff and is a high quality local encoding.
References to Desert Tesla Charity Drive are regarding our successful 16 hour livestream to RPG Limit Break while viewers used Crowd Control at crowdcontrol.live to manipulate the seat heaters, temperature, volume, and other features. The promo for the drive can be found at • Desert Tesla Charity D... and we are thankful to everyone who helped get us to RPG Limit Break in style. Simulated engine sounds at the beginning of this video are for your amusement.
TASBot plays NES Final Fantasy (USA) four white mages, no resets by TheAxeMan at RPG Limit Break 2019
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"tool assisted speedruns shouldn't be compared with human performance"
*laughs in super mario bros*
agreed he had to of cheated to do this with success
@@jamescook16 had to have*
@@jamescook16 There was no "cheating" as we played by the rules of the game with an unmodified cartridge.
@@dwangoAC Indeed. Excellent work here.
@@dwangoAC like to see you try that same run on a nintendo highly doubt you will even com close to that you would be running every time best out comes possible is not the way the game works with out manipulation of some sort
TASbot: "I looked forward in time, I saw 14,000,605 futures."
Ori: "In how many of those futures do the White Mages win?"
TASbot: "Well honestly, about a thousand of them, but this one is 3 frames faster..."
This may be the best comment i have seen in a while. You made me laugh for a good a minute. TY and have a nice day!
Now *that* is a good comment. Well done.
This comment is legendary.
- In how many of them Dan survives?
- In all the slow ones.
Okay, this is pretty clearly a TAS'd comment. You really shouldn't be posting a TAS'd comment as if it were a normal one, the TAS community is sensitive about that sort of thing.
Chaos couldn't help but take a step back in fear as he saw a single White Mage enter the room with a dead stare on her eyes and 3 battered corpses tied to her.
Lmao
That pretty much sums it up.
"AH,Heros finally her... Wait WHAT THE FUCK?" after begins to fight the single white mage "i will never be the villain again I will never be the villain again I will never be the villain again"
With a silver hammer lol
Now if only we could incorporate this into other Final Fantasy games - I know some WHMs on FFXIV who could pull that off without RNG manipulation :V
The civilians must’ve been like:
“The Heroes Chosen by the crystals have slain Chaos!”
“How so?”
“They made Chaos run away.”
I bet some of those civilians will wonder if Chaos might come back or did he get scared shitless enough to not come back ever.
Round 1: *Casts LIT3* White mage merely stares with huge, insane psycho ex girlfriend eyes. Round 2: *Casts FIR3* White mage continues staring into the abyss her gaze boring holes into Chaos's very essence. Round 3: *Panics, casts SLO2* The White mage, undeterred, continues to stare at Chaos, her manic grin unnerving as she continues just waving her silver hammer at him and mumbling to herself. Round 4: *Starts feeling overwhelming fear overtake him, threatening to tear apart his very essence, he casts CUR4* The White mages eyes star far, far into the abyss, and the abyss screams as it is rent asunder...
They also found SLAV in a chest. sorry SLAB. Typo?
They maxed out his Sanity bar Darkest Dungeon style. He got scared to death.
Ember Chaos’ resolve was tested...
"Four white mages? It'll never work"
*8 years later*
"Oh, goddammit"
The longest setup in webcomic history.
God I miss 8-Bit Theater
To be fair, it was more a run with one white mage and three bodies than it was a run with four white mages.
@@danpowell806 No Need for Bushido's might take that title now.
I'm just going to get the obvious meme out of the way;
*SWORDCHUCKS, YO!*
You know it's gonna be good when you have to clear the console's entire memory for it to work at all
Truth be told, with a toploader it's more of a safety strategy to ensure consistency. Frontloaders seem to hold on to their memory longer and it's basically required there. I successfully got the run to work without clearing the console memory. Clearing the savegame on the cart on the other hand is mandatory as the TAS assumes a brand new out of the box cartridge, a not unreasonable expectation given if you're going to assume something you may as well assume that but it does mean we have to match it.
@@dwangoAC Makes sense. I just love all the technical details that make everything tick.
"Hail mighty heroes, you have vanquished Chaos and saved the world!" "Uh, yep, that is what happened. We definitely didn't let Chaos escape. Totally killed him."
read this comment shortly before he subtly bought fear
Thats Minecraft storymode plot
Chaos was mortified of Dan, clearly the strongest Lightwarrior and healer of universal damage
I love how when the speedrunning community wants to have a big event, instead of a tournament or something like that, they do a charity stream.
They do tournaments as well, but those are usually over the span of weeks or months.
Spoiler*
A strange journey indeed, where 1 white mage, a person of holy and healing, carried around 3 corpses to the very end to save the world. No wonder Chaos ran away.
Less than 15 minutes in and it's already beating Astos.... Hours of childhood frustration irrelevant in the eyes of TASBot.
I R R E L E V A N T
@Fast Internet Probably used a tool. Means nothing.
Siri is the strongest white mage, literally carrying the bodies of their fellow white mages for the length of the run.
And a canoe!
lol
And making huge runs, walking calmly through magma, going underwater and slaying 4 god-like monsters.
Final boss was smart for running away.
Thereafter siri went to the pharmacy and purchased icyhot.
"So there's a 25% chance to get that strength on a level, and this is a TAS, so, uh... is it really 25%?"
"...I'm gonna say no?"
"Yes."
It's a trick question... Yes the chance is still 25%, you're just taking the luck element out of it.
25% it works 100% of the time
A TAS is basically turning a video game into a pure logic puzzle.
Fantastic.
Or a spectator friendly virgin-fest
@@iLiokardo FanTAStic
More than an hour without desynch, I remember those earlier GDQs with TASBot where Desynchs were the bane of the run.
The way things change for TASBot and his team of handlers. Hope his back repair goes smoothly!
It's definitely interesting feeding the TAS script back into a physical game. Makes for some amazing spectacles, but there's a lot that can go wrong.
Unlike Tasbot, Desync didn't know when the 3/256 window to use Bane was.
Siri, play Final Fantasy.
Siri: TASbot, Hold my beer.
I looked for this comment 🤣
🤣👌
Okay. Playing song: Dance Team
Why am I watching an hour long run during finals season? The power of TASBot man
I mean... we could space out our content even more if you like but at this point our "new videos every Friday" line in the banner is starting to be a flat out joke. :) (Sorry for your finals; this video will still be here after you've passed everything.)
I could pass finals, TASBot just doesn't want me to.
Because is more fun and interesting than other shit, I mean
TASbot plays finals, 100%, no glitch, no pencil run.
There’s just something about this video that makes people watch it during finals. I’m watching during finals now!
"In case Nintendo is watching, as the ambassador of Tasbot, I want to be above all reproach!"
I'd like to say that you're good, Dwango, but God bless you for staying completely transparent about it. Your car ride was awesome!
I like how the lobsters are just scorpions colored blue.
Got it from Grandma's Boy
I did a non-speedy run with four white mages once. It seemed like it should be very difficult but it turns out that if you know that the Zeus gauntlet and the heal staff exist (along with their sundry counterparts, the mage staff and black robe and heal helmet and so on) then you can never lack for resources in this game, excepting possibly revival and exit spells... both of which are available to white mages. The run was actually pretty easy, albeit tedious, until I reached Chaos. Then my game reset itself because of dust or something and the saved data was erased so I couldn't try again. Yes really.
I assume it took me tens of hours though. Doing anything FAST in this game is much, much more difficult than simply winning is, regardless of how bad your party selection may seem. It's crazy that getting through it in an hour is even possible.
That sounds like Chaos won through time and space. D:
You definitely could have tried again. You just didn't
@@TheDsRequiem Well sure I could have started a new party. It wasn't interesting enough to warrant redoing all that work, though. By the end I was just defeating bosses as a formality; there was no longer any question about whether I was powerful enough to finish. I was clearly stronger than I had ever been in my childhood runs of this game, and I beat Chaos during some of those childhood runs, so I'm confident I could have beaten him during this run.
"dust or something and the saved data was erased"
Battery in the cartridge probably died, or is almost dead. You can replace them though.
I tried it too, and 4 white mages is easy, compare to 4 black mages who have shitty ressources. Any shitty party can get the spell casting items and masamune, but black mages are way squishier and cant heal or rez.
"Sometimes things that were thought to be TAS only, get implemented in realtime runs"
Carpetless, here we come, boys !!!
I'm supposed to be writing an essay right now but here I am, watching a robot casting some obscure incantations on an original NES so that some bats move in a certain way instead of another.
I'm loving it
This was extremely interesting. Had no idea you could make Chaos run and is certainly a trick I would like to try one day. FF1 has a special place in my heart that it was my very first RPG and have loved RPGs ever since.
The chance of each fear going off is dicey.
HE JUST MADE THE FINAL BOSS RUN?! THE FLOCK!
turns out fear really does work. A little too well.
Siri the White Mage is so badass, she _intimidated_ Chaos into submission.
DON'T mess with the White Mage
@@Bluecho4 He scared chaos so hard, that chaos hit itself in fear and lost his Hp bar.
Makes you wonder... according to the story, the cycle breaks because you *kill* Chaos. What happens if he runs? Do you automatically fail because the cycle happens again?
I like the player piano comparison for people that don't like TAS vids, it reminds me of the Family Guy character that keeps saying "look everyone he's just a big a phony."
His hat comes right off.
You know what's funny... thanks to the invention of the player piano, composers started to come up with piano pieces that are impossible for a human to play with two arms and two hands.
@@malcovich_games I discuss this at length in an article I wrote at www.linuxjournal.com/content/meet-tasbot-linux-powered-robot-playing-video-games-charity
conlon nancarrow did good work with the player piano
Cat and Monkey Gaming that can’t be correct. Individuals have written for bands since forever. What about piano duets?
This TAS guy Made an appearance everywhere sometimes I see him appear on other channel and pull a perfect speedrun everytime. Lots of respect for a veteran speedruner
Which human? :)
@@dwangoAC Rob, I think.
That explanation of TAS was awesome and EXACTLY what I've been waiting for as someone who'd never understood how TAS is made so big thank you to my mans explaining all that in depth
How can you talk about TAS/RTA synergy without mentioning that the TAS Wrong Warp glitch for Ocarina of Time led to the first Real-Time sub-20 RTAs? My favorite example of community collaboration ❤❤
Run away Chaos. SIRI is coming for you.
"Maybe non-existence is better" Chaos thought, as the lone White Mage goes for their hammer.
"I'm your white mage. And nobody f**ks with the white mage." -Little Green
I never knew that FEAR strat! Congrats ALL!
It works as good as in pokemon lol
Its nice to see you finally get a chance to really flesh out your Player Piano explanation on a grand stage. Maybe they will let you talk more at the next GDQ, possibly a TAS panel hosted by the Bot itself?
The Movement of the Bats is my favourite symphony.
I don't care what anyone else says, four white mages is cannon.
xkcd.com/1401/
(sorry not sorry)
@@blunderbus2695 Clever
This was my first RPG when i was 12 years old. it took me months to finish.
This was one of my first RPG's and it took me like a year to beat it on an emulator in high school.
I never got the game to save enough times in a row to beat it as a kid. I’m at 13 hours on an emulator now and about 30% done lol
@@bryanleverett2830 Yeah, I never trusted that "HOLD RESET" and power off the console trick on actual NES hardware. That's why I used an emulator.
This was awesome. Suikoden 1 for next year tasbot rpglb
I think the title is a little misleading since the run itself very quickly goes from "all white mages" to "white mage solo", but whatever.
That's expected even in RTA runs. The ongoing joke is Gyre often names his characters A through D names with D usually Dan and Dan never seems to make it.
Solo white mage is technically all white mage, but whatever.
In the same way a mountain is technically an unusually tall hill, but you wouldn't call it that, you'd call it a mountain.
@@gaminggoddess85 You have to start with four characters, the title indicates the category being four white mages. I'm honestly not sure what else to say, this is how the speedrunning community handles categorizing runs.
He had to carry along the corpses of his buddies.. So it wasn't exactly a solo...
What a beautiful Dwango, chew.
There must be no other TASBot as pretty as his own. This feels like a TAS.
I guess sometimes the best resolution to eternal conflicts is not fighting, huh
I appreciated the in depth discussions about TAS and how they worked! Great broadcast
That's an interesting point about a TAS being art. I... kind of disagree, but it did make me have to consider why I disagree. I think I would consider creating a TAS more scientific and thus more of a craft, because it's about figuring out laws and using that knowledge to create an optimized result. You can have a perfect TAS that cannot be further optimized, but you can't have a perfect piece of art because ... there's just no metric, no "end goal" to compare it to.
Of course, the line between art and craft is always blurry. Using four white mages and even giving them particular names is not in the spirit of optimization but in the spirit of expressing something, even if that something is just along the lines of "haha that's silly." And making it a performance with an expressive component, and with the extra layer of performing it for an audience with commentary, of course pushes the video strictly into the field of art, even if the TAS itself is a result of crafting more than a result of artistic creativity. It's not so clear cut.
... Just an interesting thing that occurred to me! Thanks for the food for thought.
And this is why you often hear people refer to "arts and crafts", without specifying which is which. Trying to sort them would be messy!
The finest colors, that reflect the perfect light waves, mixed in exact ways and amounts and applied perfectly to canvas can be called expertly crafted. The end result is art.
One can Repeat that concept with sound waves, etc.
As the other guy said, arts and crafts. Mastery of a craft can lead to exceptions art
I’d say tas is a craft the in the realm of computer science, information technology
And the art is the resulting play throughs
This is actually really interesting, I haven't seen a TASbot in action before.
Much more fun in games like Mario with precision jumping etc
It’s nice to have Jeff from the Overwatch team commentating the run.
I actually used the bane blade on Tiamat for kicks on this game once and killed him, then I said wow I didn't know he was weak to bane. Then I tried it again in future playthroughs and no dice. I did Google that it's an unusually high %14 against Tiamat though.
Great example of "Entertaining without wasting time" TAS Metroid runs.
I'm so happy ROB is getting a purpose again.
I think there should be 3 categories;
Tool-Assisted Speedruns (TAS) which use emulators and write actions to get perfect/not humanly possible runs.
Assisted Speedruns (AS) which use accessibility options, macros or spreadsheets to assist humans in their runs.
Speedruns (S?) which only rely on human input and memory to perform the run without any alternate controls, tools, or outside sources.
I mean, your second category is just a human theory TAS run. This exists already. Also your naming scheme makes no sense, an AS still uses Tools.
There would be no way to verify that a speedrunner didnt use spreadsheets or the like during their run.
dwango: "I'd love to make it a yearly thing."
COVID: "About that...."
Really great commentary through the whole run. The long runtime really helped you talk about everything you wanted to talk about, though I'm sure it was a headache to plan everything out with so much time to fill.
This is it...this is the pinnacle of Nerdom!
Speedruns have had trouble keeping me for even half an hour lately, Tasbot may just be the cure.
I, for one, welcome our new TASBot overlord.
All hail! Beep boop.
Am I old for remembering this was one of the 1st old "Nintendo Power" magazine challenges?
Nope. Also, 4 thief is far more interesting.
"Not so much a meat shield as a.... never mind"
As a zombie player?
I looked at the title and went "EXCUSE ME??" and that's how I'm here. See ya in an hour folks.
same here :)
Tas beat the final boss...... with *FEAR* lol
So after white mage what would be considered the hardest to quad
Also how much harder would it be to keep all 4 alive for the whole run
Don't you dare apologize, for telling us all about tasbot. This was WAY more fun and interesting because of that commentary. Thank you!
Saw it live on RPGLimitBreak
Was great, would love to see more TASBot like that :D
Oh no four white mages and two bottles of merlot...
This is more impressive than landing a man on the moon.
I'm surprised they can get a known state on a 30 year old console.
Unbuffered RAM is subject to bit errors from many sources, including power supply fluctuation, cosmic radiation and heat. decades old memory ICs are often very temperamental from being worn out on a microscopic level. Electron migration is a big problem, as is corrosion from oxygen ingress from the chip legs. But this isn't just limited to RAM, CPUs and VDPs can also behave erratically as well.
It's a big problem in vintage computing, decades old computers often suffer from IC failure that can cause something as innocuous to the occasional wrong color on the screen, to erratic behavior to not working at all. I've seen a lot of this happen in these vintage console videos as well, where consoles act erratically or don't behave as expected. I've also experienced it on my own consoles, sometimes with comedic effect as the game will do something that it's not supposed to.
o god
marsh cave brought back ALL the nostalgia. how many times did i reset just trying to get only ONE wizard at the box? i know not.
First rpg's I played. After hammering it out with multiple mixes of characters, I ruined this game with 3 Blackbelts and 1 white mage. Ran that group up to max level... fought many warmechs and laughed when nuke hardly hurt me but I would punch him in the face for 999 (max damage iirc) hours and hours of game play. What a fantastic game.
Pretty much my favorite game of all time. Well done gents, very cool.
I remember trying all black belts. It's what finally made me stop playing...While grinding like crazy I thought, "Why am I still playing this game?" I did tons of playthroughs.
How were you one hitting the boses? With a white mage?
"Four white mages?! It'll never work!"
The knowledge and love you guys share is so contagious, as you said these runs truly are a work of art! Keep up the great work! 🙏🙏🙏
1:48:46 Chaos shenanigans ensures.
I got here at level 99 on one of my playthroughs and he ran away. I was like Wah? Now you guys explained why. Great run guys amazing work.
12:45 That Tesla humble brag. Cringe
I mean, I'm using the Tesla for good, and you'd find it hard not to be just a bit happy at trading 7 Bitcoins for a Tesla...
Wow this was really fun to watch. I didn't think I would sit here for the full hour and twenty-two minutes.
I couldn't help but notice; he just stood there smackin' kraken. I like it cuz it rhymes
White Mage: Runs from every battle.
Chaos: Runs away.
Great run, too bad donation messages ruined parts of it, I wish there was a non donation message stream, too much cringe
I’ve now watched this run all the way through a total of 4 times over the years. I love pretending that this is just some random person playing the game for the first time and thinking it’s the easiest game ever
I'm so stoked to see a TASBot run at RPG Limit Break! Never thought I'd see it happen!
Lol.
These comment people.
Hurr durr "you cheated"
*Tool assisted speedrun*
Honestly, you kids need to calm tf down. TAS is purely for entertainment and seeing just how perfect a run *could* be. No speedrun records would actually recognize a TAS run. It's for fun. Calm tf down.
Me: Alexa, play Final Fantasy.
SIRI: Am I a joke to you?
(And I thought playing with 3 Fighters and a Red Mage were optimal.)
This is Ludicrous Speed levels of absurd. That RNG manipulation must've been painstakingly arduous, especially with 10K+ "restarts".
Job Well Done on putting the Fear of God into Chaos.
3 Fighters and a Red Mage was always my preferred lineup.
Sarah Connor in a bathrobe scares off an ugly gold terminator.
What an excellent and entertaining run. Just watch the whole thing in one sitting and brought back so many memories of this game from when I played it long ago. Keep up the great work!
So you guys managed to create a bot that can speedrun the game for you?? That's so sick!
Siri quite literally scared Chaos to death.
*Eye of Fear intensifies*
Look at the bright side, the no-reset run taking longer gives you more time for donations.
1:13:32 thats me! They REALLY should call it the bane blade, because not only it rolls off the tongue better, but beyblade!
To that guy that sold his bitcoin in 2019, I'm from the future, BUY ALL THAT YOU CAN!!!
11:53 TASbot is a polyamorous icon
49MP TASBot said gay rights
Gamegenie users approve
So, back in the early 90s when I was a small child failing at getting very far into this game, I was convinced that the way you walked has something to do with the random encounters you get and how the NPCs moved. I never had any solid proof and only being like 5, nobody believed me or gave a shit but watching this makes me feel pretty vindicated.
I suspect that as a 5 year old you had better pattern matching skills than adults
yeah, “white mages”
Nethack TAS speedrun?? Holy shit dude thats incredible. I hope it gets finished I'm truly excited to see it.
I'm assuming there was a reason for the delay in actually selecting the bane blade towards the end. Changed probability?
I would assume that the randomness changes per frame so they had to wait, and pick a frame where it would work.
Yeah, when the odds are really low you may have to wait as long as 8 seconds. Early on there are a lot of tricks to pull to make things work out but in the final boss rush there's nothing to do but wait for the frame where bane works.
What's happening on screen at 56:34?
So I guess it counts as "tool-assisted" if I had as a kid always resorted to using a turbo controller in Chrono Trigger for Ayla's soup minigame since I couldn't mash fast enough to do it with a normal controller.
Then eventually I found out you can just fail it three times and the story will progress anyways.
Sports I don't care about. E-sports I don't care about. But this? While nothing I usually sit down to watch, these kinds of events/videos are far more entertaining than the previously mentioned things. This just feels more genuine, where you have a couple of guys sitting in a couch and playing some games while commentating in front of a live audience. It's like a laid-back let's play or when you sit next to a friend in real life and playing games together. Point being: The hyper energetic feel and focus on winning and losing with e-sports as well as the games e-sports usually have I just don't give a crap about. But this? This is pretty awesome :) Especially the fact that some dudes literally PROGRAMMED a computer to play through an entire game. Now THAT is impressive!
I did finish FF NES with four white mages once as a personal challenge, but it took a LOT of grinding and it sure as hell took a lot longer than 1h 17m. I never knew you could scare the pants off of Chaos! Even funnier when it's four white - sorry, ONE white mage. I'll have to try that sometime
Can someone explain how TASbot entered the fight with Astos with only one surviving member with low health and Astos missed every time he struck?
RNG manipulation thanks to crazy precisely timed input by TASbot.
@@matteriaa No.
TASbot exploits the way FF1 seeds its pseudoRNG to get perfect luck manipulation; the real-world equivalent would be playing a badly programmed slot machine that always gave the same order of reel symbols until you memorized the exact order, then coming back to play the machine when it showed a machine state that would guarantee the desired payout.
Lol, Garland at 49:49 that was awesome--watch out, He'll knock you all down!
Next time, perhaps some kind of sliding scale where it costs more to turn it up past a given point? Each point higher, or lower, costs more then the previous?
TASBot doesn't run from Chaos. Chaos runs from TASBot.
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TASBot can win a game of Connect Four in 2 moves.
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Gary Kasparov checks under his bed for Deep Blue each night. Deep Blue checks under it's bed for TASBot each night.
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Skynet was actually created several years ago. It's just afraid to go online because of TASBot.
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Stephen Hawking tried to win the Nobel Prize by calculating the trajectory of the universe through the use of gravitational waves manipulated by string theory, but TASBot will have done that 7 times before you finish reading this sentence.
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