THE cEDH METAGAME IN 2025
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- Опубліковано 30 січ 2025
- This week, we're figuring out the 10 most played commanders in cEDH for the start of 2025!
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man for all the talk about cEDH being a sweaty format. the fact that tymna (who is insanely strong and a partner) only has 10% of the metagame really means this is a healthy format imo.
Sweaty sure, but incredibly welcoming and much more cost effective being a proxy friendly format in 97%+ of tournaments.
Honestly man cedh players are so much more chill (most of the time). Nobody is getting salty because everybody is on the same page before the game automatically.
There are almost 2400 legendary creatures. 6 monopolizing the top 10 and 1 of those 6 being almost omnipresent is not healthy. In this format, anything above 3% has an unhealthy portion of the metagame.
@@crazykhespar8487”you’re more likely to die from a wolf than a cow” ah defence 😂
@crazykhespar8487 "there are almost 2400 legendary creatures"... ok. Play Skelton ship in cedh and come back with how relevant most of those 2400ish legendary creatures are. 😅
man feels like even dylan and cam want to leave me behind in 2024
😂😭😭😭
i will never abandon you rograkh rog tevesh turbo stax forever
Mono Green player here! As a community we have been very happy with the changes to the format. I primarily play Selvala, and they have gotten much better and often play well into the mid game. Green has major bonus points because of the Tymna popularity. You’re almost never a good attack for them.
Thank you for the content!
You have a list?
Cool, my brother used to play Selvala, then he made a Varis, Silverymoon Ranger deck which was Food Chain & looped Varis for infinite dungeon triggers. He is now playing a Six deck which can go infinite mana & tries to win with a Walking Ballista.
My list or the Slowvala list that Dylan talked about?
Mono Green player here, as well. Mostly play Yisan, but Selvala, Marwyn, and Cocaine Bear seem fun to me, too. I'm hoping for a One-Drop Green Creature draw engine similar to Esper Sentinel soon.
@ yours
Krark-Silas is my shameless plug honorable mention. The deck is situated extremely well going into 2025!
If the Rograkh/Thrasios decks aren't being colloquially called "Rugrakh" then I think we're missing a trick as a community!
This sounds like "Rug Rack" so I think that's should be the official name lol
@@MomirsLabTech Exactly!
@@MomirsLabTech > rack
> Isn't a discard deck
> ???
It's amazing how one card made red such a good color
And created a lot of decks
I love the last segment. I feel like so often cEDH gets stuck in a circle that eats itself and everyone just assumes what is best because it's what everyone plays, and approaching things from a different angle can also be incredibly powerful and should always be looked at.
I'm now running an Ob Nixilis "storm" list, based on the "Rhystic Study Ob Nixilis" list that was around and I'm loving it.
I feel that Ob usually makes a really good job keeping all those rhystic/remora/rings at bay.
Just a shame that I don't get to use the two new shinny toys ( Floodcaller and Mockingbird) , Razorkin needleehad is an absolute menace though..
With green getting way more popular, I wonder if Allosaurus Shepherd gets to see more play in cEDH. Uncounterable Devoted Druid or Seedborn Muse seems really good. There's not a ton of creature counterspells but it does suck when they get countered.
@@JohnnyOrigami outside of mono G or sans W options I don’t think so. Kutzil and Abolisher exist and are better at a similar job imo. Card quality has gotten very high and it’s hard to find slots.
Malcolm Breeches is the first ever casual commander deck I built from scratch and it has remained my favorite deck as I’ve upgraded and made it into a more high power deck. So really cool to see it making an appearance on a cEDH list!
its kind of hard seing what is the best deck as the big tournaments are later during the year. and after the ban a lot of people panic swapped decks, changing metas more and influencing winrates as people arent used to the decks
A multi part series on the podcast revaluating old cedh staples would be dope
I think a lot of the kinda surprising stuff (like Malcom being in the top commanders played) comes from the partner thing. Malcom shows up in 100% of Malcom Kediss, Malcom Tymna, Malcom Vial, and Malcom Tana decks, for instance. I’d say it would be hard for any single partner to compete in #’s w any decent partner.
If you went by partner pairings prob no single Malcom deck has more entries than some of the better single commanders.
First cedh deck I built was magda literally a month before the bans. I'm still interested in cedh but it's hard, man..
Ob Nix 6 months before the ban.
Feel like I'm going through what you are.
The small cedh scene in my town just disbanded. They all play Modern online now. Seems pointless having a $5k deck gathering dust.
@brendans1983 So true! Sad days honestly.
What you got to do is take your rogsi list down two notches take one foot off the gas and you've still got all the best tools and all the best win conditions and all of the best protection
Sandbagging is still very powerful lol. People always forget naus is an instant as is other grixis lines, especially with all the new flash toys we got in the last few years.
Got it, switching to 14 lands and 8 wheels
Best protection? Not without white mana
ah so nothings really changed partner commanders are still the best options for meta
yes but you need blue for valley flood caller cause it's the only instant speed card in the format
Who would have guessed? Two cards in the command zone that allows for color selection being strong? Luckily they aren’t the ONLY option. More importantly player skill is SO much more important. So it’s not homogenized in an unhealthy way
@@WhatWouldBojackDostill blue but there’s also borne upon a wind and high fae trickster. I play trickster over floodcaller in TnT cause most of my wins need to cast creatures at instant speed
Borne upon a wind, Valley floodcaller, the 4 mana version of VFC, Emergence zone, the UG land (Tap, pay UG, everything is instant speed now), crop rot -> Emergence zone
UG has 6, 5 realistically.
Partner means you get to start with an extra card in your hand, since the command zone is basically part of the starting hand
Najeela has actually felt incredible currently. Gornog has been an amazing include.
If you're on green sun's zenith faerie mastermind can be an alternate wincon. Silence the table, draw their decks with infinite mana, everytime you're about to draw yourself shuffle green sun's back in.
I haven’t spent the time to fully build it out but one of my more powerful casual decks is a Vhal/Raised By Giants deck and I’ve found that it plays somewhat similar to Marwyn but with blue for better protection. Seeing that there was a Marwyn deck that got second recently is really cool to see and makes me think my pet deck definitely can have some legs.
Hi! I'm pretty new to edh and esp cEDH, so this might be an obvious one. But every time Stella Lee comes up, everyone ends to go "oh yeah she's crazy, definitely a cEDH commander, she can win at instant speed with nothing" but I NEVER see her topping anything. What would any of y'all in the community say is the issue with Stella Lee? Is it just red being bad? I wanna pick a deck and practice it a ton before I proxy it all, and all the partner stuff kinda doesn't appeal rn
There's a few reasons:
Blue Red is a little weak - you have really bad tutors.
Stella Lee is a very commander reliant deck, you have to play a lot of bad cards to make the combo work, which means you are just playing an overall lower quality deck.
Finally, the win is very telegraphed. The interaction points are extremely clear, and both counter magic and creature removal can stop it.
To add on to what the first person said, Stell Lee is in a weird medium of being a bit strong for "casual" Commander, but a bit too telegraphed for "competitive" Commander. Casual is a bit more light on competitive plays/mindsets, so from that viewpoint, she's too strong, whereas she CAN win competitive matches(they have had a couple games on this channel where she wins), but cEDH is more capable of stopping and/or outright neutering her gameplan.
On her face, I'd compare her to something like Prosper. Light hearted extra card value, but when you get deeper, can do some nuts stuff, and WotC didn't intend for it to be that way.
Thank you for your answers!
I think I'm gonna try to learn Najeela or Sisay this year for cEDH instead 😅
I don't really do tournaments, but online meta. I can tell you it's crazy diverse these last few months. I rock Sefris (and have been since she came out) and also a Rocco Snoop deck. Both decks perform great in the wild west of online cedh and have for all the time pre-ban too. Tournaments are always going to be dominated by what is seen as best at the time but I'm here for rogue decks to make it through!
I was thinking about a fun episode idea
Basicly you ask fans to send in lists that are like high power or maybe frinch Cedh decks and you guys would like critique the decks and say why it would win or how it fits in the meta or what it needs to push it to tier 1 deck
like IDK if its a good idea or not hahah but it sounds fun
Imagine sitting and watching the new play to win video and they start talking about your mono green deck fucking crazy lol 😂. Also the diamond isn’t a money thing just not on it.
So crazy oml. Too bad Selvala > marwyn
Speaking of checking to see if some staples are still good is chain of vapor so good post ban, and is it worth playing Glarb still, hearing you both talking about TNT list makes me wanna take apart Glarb with out even getting a chance to play it yet
I used this website for pauper and modern.
1:45
Alright folks. we're getting overtaken by the 3-mana flash otter. At what point do we start putting in leyline of anticipation?
When its in 50%+ of decks, so you are likely to encounter it in a fair amount of pods.
Stax usually sucks though. Only a couple things dont suck.
Too late
I hope Black gets some good cEDH support this year. Love playing K’rrik!
It's already one of the best cEDH colors
Black and Blue already have so much.
Keep up the great content !
I have been cutting a lot of “must run auto includes” in favor of synergistic pieces that actually work w my plan kind of a lot lately and having success. Glad someone else seems to be seeing it that way too to some degree.
Eg; Armix Thrass (Razz reanimator layered with Hazles BM stuff. I am actively putting things in the bin, yeah?, so I cut Dauthi and Oppo in favor of Six and Malevolent Hermit and they have felt really really good so far.
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I been playing Anje Falkenrath and doing pretty good on spell table. its been suprising because its not good.lol
Yeah, that deck is always surprising. You sorta forget that once she is in play you need to have your interaction ready like you do with Magda, Kinnan etc
Rograkh the small guy! :0))) Love it!
Yes, that is how math works as long as when you split the 10.7% into the 5.2% and 5% they are percents of the meta and not the percent of the Tymna decks. Your set and sample choices matter.
Not sure when you filmed this, but Tivit has won some 50+ tourneys and top 16 top 8 pretty recent in fairly big events.
A lot of smaller tournaments will also do no proxy so people need to throw in high powered cards in all the slots they cant afford
I’m playing chulane who has been getting a lot of fun new cards so I’m excited to try some more games with him
As a Najeela player, I admit the deck has become little inconsistent without Jewel Lotus of doing the main thing you wanna do. In the games I’ve played since losing Jewel Lotus I learned the deck has to go 1st or 2nd to be able to keep up of what the deck wants to do. Going last or 3rd the whole gameplan changes you become a 5 color control deck/5 color good stuff sometimes you can win without ever casting Najeela at least for me that what it has been. Controlling the tempo of the game lets you try to at least win the way the deck wants to win by beating face. I will say tho “Champion of Lambholt”has been probably the unsung hero in my deck at least letting you get through regardless of how many creatures your opponents have and eventually Champion can take someone out by itself
I like the activist of oghma the most
It's one hell of a card
Rona is the fastest Dimir commander that can win on turn 2 or 3 with Mox Amber and one of the bounce spells, the problem is having walking ballistia or an X spell in hand for the win.
Derevi has a lot of redundancy right now, Preston can be a combo piece in there with Felidar and derevi but emiel is the from what I play the best way to make infinite mana with lands/creatures like faeburrow, cradle, bloomtender ect. Outlets to win from there are orrey, one ring, faerie mastermind, and finale. slowly just locking your opponents out on their upkeep to buy time is a way to go
i dont see it winning an insane amount but im trying to make korvold work atm
Zhulodok mentioned! Are we going to see that on the channel? Could make a great One Ring deck
i personally think with all that instant speed stuff we currently play Leyline of Anticipation could be at least a consideration
MY 2 CENTS ON NAJEELA- I felt it was super tough to do any combat stuff recently with the rise of other players always having blockers. soooo many good 1-2 drop creatures in the format right now. My love was Najeela for years but now there are to many idiots on the field to do the combat stuff 80% of the time.
would love for yeva to come back, everything else being able to get flash these days is definitely a bit challenging though
My main deck is Jeskai so I can’t run it there, but I’ve been really wanting to jam some Chains of Mephistopheles to try and hurt these rhystic study, tymna, and thrassios decks.
Love the coaster shirts
How do you guys have so much energy?
Heads up, malcolm breeches is one of the most played decks in competitive PAUPER commander, so that might be sneaking into the data
Some think Tymna x Kraum or Tymna x Thras are the best partner pair in Cedh. I think Cam x Dylan is.
Dylan would be Rakdos; impulsive/chaotic red with the black 'Rain Of Filth' mentality, Cam is more calculated and optimistic, which leans into Simic.
So they are Tana/Silas.
As an observer an not player of CEDH, would Leyline of the void or planar void not be decent utility?
Harder to remove than Voidwalker and cheaper to play?
The new website they are using doesn't include commanders such as Plagon who has had a decent win rate recently, so I don't know exactly how accurate is.
so are we going to get a best valley floodcaller deck game?
What do you lads think about Hidetsugu & Kairi being worth a cedh list? Displacer kit w/ copy effects to stack the brainstorm
Take a look at the Royal Rumble won by freedom waffle. 256 players… he went 6-0… if his decklist submission is accurate he played 3 instances of flash with volley floodcaller, high fae trickster, and emergence zone… with ZERO ways to win at instant speed. No ballista, no Thoracle. (He played 5-6 copies of Rhystic study though 😉)
I feel like it’s an error.
Where do you guys think Tameshi is sitting currently?
Tameshi is absolutely cracked. It loves the slower format and grindy permanents like rhystic, tithe, the one ring.
@TheSeckshun8 I'm trying to learn the lines, it's just so complicated lol
This is the deck I'm looking at playing as well. Would love some coverage on it before I decide.
Cam becoming "italian" at 25:04
Love using mtgdecks for 60 card formats
I want to see a rematch with you guys and gold sabertooth in tayam.
Ty for honorable mentioning Tayam. Still an amazing deck
Slightly rough metagame for Tayam. A lot of the midrange decks are happy to develop under Tayam's Rule of Law effects before removing the stax and winning
I think Tayam was better into a less grindy metagame. It's best when it can be the greediest deck at the table.
Ad Nas is coming back at least it’s in for a short rise because people aren’t ready for it right now
40:30 YEVA MEANTIONED!
what about atraxa?
What would be a good first cedh deck to pilot?
yuriko!
@PlaytoWinMTG Cheers dudes, will take a look at some Yuriko lists 🤙 and thanks for the content ♥️
Cedh playets find out noncreature flash is good (2025 colorized)
My brother exists for the purpose of making the top 4 in local Cedh tournaments with stuff that looks like shit on paper but actually plays well.
Just like two weeks ago I believe he came in 2nd place out of 50 something people with a Mono-Green deck with Six as the commander.
I believe he has a few ways to win with the mana, but the deck strives to go infinite mana by using Groundskeeper + Six + Lion's Eye Diamond as long as he has access to a land in the yard or in hand. You just crack LED & discard your hand, then use two mana to activate Groundskeeper & get a land back into your hand & finally, activate Six, discarding the land & retracing LED & repeat.
If you have a sink on the field, you are good to go but you are also wide open & have no interaction. He told me that 85% of the game is just waiting & knowing when to pull the trigger.
He did win a pod that day due to it being him vs one other guy & he had that land on the battlefield which you can pay mana into & turn it into a hydra for a turn. The guy had never played against a Six deck & didnt have any blockers so my bro just made it like a 90/90 hydra & attacked.
I love seeing what the bans have done to change the meta, just sad my favorite deck of Rowan Scion of War, which was already not very good just got worse.
Tasigur coming back ;)
People overlooking tymna rog
For those listening, we just SHOOK HANDS!!
Man Krark, the Thumbless was RIGHT below what you guys are talking about. It's less played but so much better than some more represented decks. No love for the Thumbless 👺
30:40 FINALLY!! I've been waiting for you guys to come down on surveil lands almost since release 😂😂
Cheers for tagging this, I've argued since their release that they are terrible. The content creator community wet their pants when they came out!
@brendans1983 I don't like them even in two colour decks, unless the top card is important for something like Elsha. I've rolled my eyes every time they've said to run them in most decks up to 4 colours.
Tayam would be tier 1/1.5 if people had any idea how to play it lol
You could swap Tayam with literally any commander and that sentence probably still holds true!
Why do people run seedborn but not drumbellower. If you you have white it seems on par? Is it just bowmaster makes it bad?
Drumbellower doesn't untap your lands or mana rocks and that's what makes Seedborn Muse good
@PlaytoWinMTG makes sense.
Why do Rog/Thras decks play Song of Totentanz?
Gaea's Cradle, Earthcraft, Enduring Vitality, etc.
No glarb love?
Its Glarb's Doomsday...
Its definitely not as popular but its really nuts. Beseech->Doomsday is i n s a n e.
Why don’t we see Silas/Krarkk a lot?
Or Thrasios / Francisco
Both are crazy decks.. 😅
Do people play Archivist of Oghma in CEDH? It seems like an absolutely busted draw engine for a format with fetches and tutors.
It does see some play. If you aren't in blue or black it should at leat enter your mind.
It has to compete against some pretty big hitters in other colors, which is why you don't see it much.
it really doesnt play that well. have played it multiple times and you really dont draw off it as much as you thought you would.
How come you didn't just use edhtop16? I feel like it would've saved you a lot of math and guessing lol
IIRC the owner of the site has some sketchy views. Idk so I wont speculate, it should be somewhere in the cEDH subreddit.
@crazykhespar8487 makes sense if so
Ooo okay Yeva sounds dope.
Enduring Vitality is the new Dockside
From your takes and lemoras tournament stats I'm so glad I got out of cedh with these bans cause the current meta seems to awful to me.
I use this website a lot
One commander post ban I thought would have been more popular is Xur. Is he too slow being 4 mana and needing to swing?
Not too slow necessarily. It’s more an issue of everyone knowing what Zur does and mulliganing for interaction to stop him. Zur kind of puts a giant target on your head. It’s still a good deck though.
Could you imagine if we got prophet of kruphix back? Floodcaller meta would love that
Tell me how you really feel about Talion? 💀
6/10 of the top commanders have the "Partner" ability. Only 58 partners exist. Arguably 15 partners are competitive. (Some of those partners are just for colors, too!)
How many legendary creatures exist? Around 2387. 58 (6 really) cards monopolize the top 10. The top 4 are partners.
This is NOT a healthy meta. This is the same meta since partners were released, but with powercreep.
Partners go against an integral part of EDH: Cards staying within their section of the color pie. You wanna play a control deck? What about .. wait. Tymna Malcolm is better than (X control deck) because black gives tutors, white helps control, Tymna is stupidly good card advantage for free, and Malcolm is a 1 card combo piece. Thats card advantage, mana advantage, and a 1 card combo in addition to starting the game with 10 cards in hand (7+1 draw +2 commanders). Its advantage on top of advantage. Why WOULDNT you play partners if you want to win? Its objectively a casual/high power to play any non-partner deck, and we have had that data for-freaking-ever. This is just another one.
"Its not THAT bad", because we were expecting all of them to be partners? Yeah. Yeah you were, so was I, and I guarantee most viewers did too.
Sorry for the rant. The only mechanic I have encountered that I think should be banned is Partner. I have played for around 13 years. Ive seen a lot of cards. These 58 break the format.
Couples Elder Dragon Highlander
If Malcolm is a 1 Card Combo in your Tymna/Malcolm List im probably calling a judge
2387 is a red herring. 90% of the 2387 are unplayable, so you're talking about realistically 240 playable legendaries. and 58/240 isnt as problematic as what you're portraying
Hey
Do you think there's a chance that Mana Crypt and Dockside get unbanned?
Mana Crypt will be unbanned yes but they are still evaluating Dockside.
@@Blerk350z Source? Who told you this?
@@Cybertech134 🤫
Did you guys see the new spoilt box topper card for aeitherdrift. Cam sleeve up Magda again as it will definitely start seeing more play