YES cant get better than Adam with his flame spray kit on giving us all a glorious master class on how to do this right, also to keep a 64 year old Tractor going!!
Thank you for posting these videos on the Eutectic flame spray system. Because of you I have purchased a used RotoTec800 for work and between the manual and your videos I was able to rebuild several shafts for work. some over 1/8" buildup Spencer at Eutectic Canada was a pleasure to deal with, and the parts department is very knowledgeable and well stocked. I really like how the sprayed powder turns and cleans up
I have been in the oilfield over thirty years, we had an old mud pump that would get its parts flame sprayed once every other year. The place that did it went out of business and we had to scrap the jump that we couldn’t find parts for. Thanks for sharing.
Adam. When I was in High School machine shop 1967. Our shop teacher invited in a rep from Eutectic to demonstrate the equipment for us as students to show just what was capable with this technology. Oh, did I just reveal my age. 😁
Back when I was a welding inspector for a large boiler company, our welders would rejoice when we had Eutectic 7018 and S/S stick rods on site. The 7018’s were super easy to strike and flowed like butter and the S/S was the easiest stainless stick I’ve ever tried using. Been making a great product for years
I love videos at the Old shop, it's just a great example of a working job shop and not a studio like the other one. I can't help it, it takes me back to when I first subbed like 10 years ago when you were making your bones here so to speak working out of this shop and doing some heavy cuts and great work, it just feels so much more authentic and relatable than the current one, that one just feels more like a showroom where nothing really gets done. 🤷👍👍
Kurtis from Cutting Edge Engineering down in Australia recently did a piece like that using a new electric plasma spray machine he just bought. He used the gas flame spray one before that. Had I not seen that process being done, I would think such a thing could never work. I would have thought that the metal power would burn up before reaching the work and never adhere to it. That is crazy that it works.
The system CEE uses is able to do surfaces which will have pressure and rolling contact with hardened materials, hence the plasma. That material is laid down at a higher temp as well, CEE used a IR temp gun, remember the higher temp? Around 300-325°C instead of 300-350°F for Abom's unit.
Always wanted one of these. Very interesting to watch, not common to take that much care! That part left the shop in perfect order, hope you made money on it!
It would be interesting to see a test piece where you tried to rip the layer off to see how well it sticks. Since it is not actual welding (the base material does not melt), there must be a limit to how well it can stick.
Hey Abom! I love your channel and have been a subscriber for many years. I'm just curious whether you read these comments or not. I don't always read the comments myself but I can't recall you ever replying to a comment.
Hi Adam Great job, I never saw a flame spayer before very nice, Adam I’m in the process of moving to Florida and I already have almost everything in boxes, I have some tool holders for an old lathe that a friend gave me and I have no use for these tool holders and I wouldn't like to throw them in the trash, if you're interested I can take them with me and I'll drop off just let me know Thank you
Adam, thanks for bringing my workbench to your shop for an hour. Have seen enough spray weld videos from you that I got some work done this time. It was fun listening and catching some spray weld shots now and then. Like hangin’ at a friend’s shop with no commute (but mute, except for this). Merry Christmas to you, Abby, and all of yours, Brian
I have seen so many of these videos and I actually now know how to get my Christmas tree straight. I pretend my tree holder is a 4 jaw and I go from there. Peace.
My impression is that the shaft itself never really gets hot enough to change its heat treatment. I think he mentioned that somewhere in this video... maybe? But with all the spray welding he's done, and the hands-on training with the supplier of the gun, the issue of heat treatment afterwards has never come up.
Is that material harder than the parent metal, this way it won't wear as fast as the shaft? Very nice fix and fitup...those busing seem like they will go a long way as long as they keep good grease pumped into it Keep em coming!!!!
@@corylocher1Yup, several choices for the antique Adam traded up to and from -the newer ones give you a lot more control, powder choices, and heat zones with other specific companies providing a whole slew of choices for the vast number of jobs they can work with. In the beginning there was only this singular company though from which all the other ones emerged. The idea became the name of the company and is a whole industry of itself.
Great video, Adam. The last time i used a flame coating equipment was over 20 years ago, and it was a Jet-Coat. I'm curious if you cover the ways on the Monarch on the other side.
I have frequent wondered as well, but he has a fair bit of distance between them and by the time the over spray gets there it is just large dust particles he might not think another thing about.
Back in the day Canadian Families sent Massey Ferguson tractors to Cuba to pay ransom to Canadians captured in the Bay of Pigs Invasion. The tractors were shipped by rail from Moncton NB to Halifax NS and shipped by water to Cuba. This tractor would be of the same or similar vintage as the tractors sent to Cuba.
@@billsimpson604And most of those need repair just like these do, There is quite the thriving tractor shop work and need for more. Elderly (over 50) Machinist with practical experience are recruited from Florida, for those who do not spit at the name Castro. Retirement there was opened up recently by the Obama administrative department allowing fund to be dispersed to IRA owners who moved there. Good food from what I heard, the internet, meh, better here on the continental side. Old/New stock, from before Castro almost non-existant, so most everything is made from billet or DOM already there. Wait times can be long. Still better than Puerto Rico where everything has to be cross shipped via Florida and specific shippers.
Adam I really enjoyed watching this particular episode. It reminded me of some similar jobs I had back in the '90s. The job was the main shaft on a big horizontal bandsaw, bearing surfaces had been "worn out". When I went to turn down the bearing surfaces the metal just disintegrated into crumbs. So at one time these shafts had been worked over so I retouched the surfaces and welded and successfully remachined them. I did several shafts for them until I learned why the shafts were failing. The bearings were being over greased causing the bearings to heat up and swell and loosen up on the bearing surface causing surface failure.
Thanks for another interesting old shop job. . How do you compensate for the thermal expansion of the heated shaft? I thought the extreme pressure would ruin the live center but apparently not. The bearings in that center must be very strong to take that much heat and pressure.
My impression is that the shaft is usually warmed up to a couple of hundred degrees F, and that the material sort of fuses on rather than more like other welding processes. Then if the steel has a coefficient of expansion of about 7ppm, and about 3" of the shaft was hot at any one time, we get about 4.2 thousandths of expansion. That seems pretty reasonable, compared with the ordinary loads on a live center just from cutting. As to the temperature at the live center, I would guess there's not a lot of transfer to it, what with steel being a relatively poor conductor of heat. But again, it seems like there would be loads from normal (heavy) cutting that are perhaps similar to what happens with this process. Or... how do you see it? Am I far off base? I'm just trying to ballpark it to see if there's a reason to panic. I noticed that the whole thing didn't coming flying apart, or making funny noises, and he's used that center for this process many times before, so there must be an explanation.
That Victor is a great machine, we have one since new in the late 80's. its done a world of work and made a lot of money. Taiwanese iron is good stuff. Just picked up a Hardinge hlvh-em knockoff from them used, no issues with it's quality either.
At my last shop we can get anywhere from 2-2500 RA depending on customer needs! We wire sprayed up to 2500 RA on some parts for gripping or for surface plates to be walked on in oily/greasy environments
@ yes, it takes some work after machining to get it there but generally after machining you can get a 32 RA or better pretty quickly . Typical machined surface finish is around 64-125 ra!
@@renetr6771Remember, Abomb is working with an antique from the original company. It is only marginally better than the one he started with, the new units are very expensive by comparison and Adam hadn't developed as good a relationship with suppliers as he can now. If there was a need for it he could probably get them to give him much newer equipment. This is the advantage of having a UA-cam presence as big as he does. He gets the new toys, the less new toys and whatever Hand me downs they have.
I remember when I was younger. The only choice was making a new shaft or welding it up and recutting it to size. Or the other options were buying a new shaft.
I know I can Google this but hearing from a Pro who's been doing this kind of work for so long it makes the answer more special, but what make Emory cloth different from Sand paper?
The backing is actually a cloth, a bit like a thin burlap. It is far more forgiving of excess tension, and oil on the part. Like sand paper it can come with any of the common abrasives. The most common is aluminum oxide. Emory cloth is also more willing to tear in a straight line, where paper is usually jagged even when using a straight edge.
Next time you do some spray welding, I want to hear from you about your "Space-Punk-Bad-Ass-Goggles" Being in the optical industry, I'm loving them! Stay AWESOMENESS!
That opening photo is total steam punk. Would make a great poster for the merch shop. 🙂 That second grease hole is a mystery when paired with that narrow bushing. Maybe there's a seal that runs inside it, so it fills a reservoir around the shaft? Just wondering...
For a really marketable shot, he'd have to get his face right up close to the tool, turn off all the lights so the flame is the primary lighting on his face, and do this teeth-baring Billy Idol sneer
Noticed the Fire Ext on the cart at around 9:30 do you get your Fire Ext serviced? When was the last time it was inspected? I wouldn't want you to need and not have it working Adam.
@@sccolbert whatever hardness you wish with these lesser heat solutions. There are powders to spray any number Rockwell C you want. This is not anywhere close to the temps needed for making something hard, with air quench or any of the faster methods to take the critical temp and freeze for later tempering like water or oil. It is a way to make metal adherence work for oil film conditions only. The process causes materials to bond at lower temps, around those temps used for tempering. It used to not be used for any rolling contact since that stress will peel the bond. This is not a molecular bond though such as welding, brazing, and the like. It is only for gentle contact such as is shown, oil film type. Since the 90's I think there have been solutions for repair of contact surfaces which need not only higher heat they need an atmosphere which allows a molecular bond. Plasma can be adjusted for specific combinations and usage, metals will be united. The systems which can do this are now closer to ready-to-use -they are sold as turnkey systems for specific repairs world over for example. Edited for typos
Home Shop Videos Are The Best, Keep Them Coming!!!!
Love seeing Adam's work from the home shop!
Great to see the old shop again Adam thanks a bunch
I suddenly was calmed by seeing the old shop. Sat back and said, this video is gonna be great!
Classic home shop Abom👌love the new shop too, but history is history, cant buy patina, the old shop is a family legacy 👍👌🇦🇺
such a nice cozy feeling seeing the old shop for me too
YES cant get better than Adam with his flame spray kit on giving us all a glorious master class on how to do this right, also to keep a 64 year old Tractor going!!
Good to see the old Adam in the home shop. Not the cnc shop
Thank you for posting these videos on the Eutectic flame spray system.
Because of you I have purchased a used RotoTec800 for work and between the manual and your videos I was able to rebuild several shafts for work.
some over 1/8" buildup
Spencer at Eutectic Canada was a pleasure to deal with, and the parts department is very knowledgeable and well stocked.
I really like how the sprayed powder turns and cleans up
Great work, it’s great to see a man proud of his work!
Spent my afternoon working on a CNC, nice and relaxing to watch the manual work.
Great to go back to the old shop for a change! Very interesting job to watch & learn too. Lots of tips & techniques. Great video, thank you Adam!
I have been in the oilfield over thirty years, we had an old mud pump that would get its parts flame sprayed once every other year. The place that did it went out of business and we had to scrap the jump that we couldn’t find parts for. Thanks for sharing.
another double length video. happy to see this wasn't broken into 7, hour long vids.
Adam. When I was in High School machine shop 1967. Our shop teacher invited in a rep from Eutectic to demonstrate the equipment for us as students to show just what was capable with this technology. Oh, did I just reveal my age. 😁
old tractors are cool. it'll be nice to see an old 1960s Massey Ferguson running again
Great process here and beautiful repair on this shaft.
Back when I was a welding inspector for a large boiler company, our welders would rejoice when we had Eutectic 7018 and S/S stick rods on site. The 7018’s were super easy to strike and flowed like butter and the S/S was the easiest stainless stick I’ve ever tried using. Been making a great product for years
It does seem like those guys know a lot about metallurgy...
Old shop, always Nice! Don’t forget to clean up the grease holes 😊
Not knocking the new shop, but been a long time subscriber and love seeing you back in the home shop. Great project Adam.
I always enjoy the flame spray jobs you do Adam. I like the old shop, it seems less formal. Cheers
These are videos that all of us can relate to. Looks like most of our shops. I also love the new shop. Keep these videos coming.
Love the charm of the home shop! Fond memories to be sure!
Love the flame spray. Awesome way to save old shafts.
Job completed and well done,Adam.Thank you.
That was another great tutorial on flame spraying. Good to see you in the home shop again.
I love videos at the Old shop, it's just a great example of a working job shop and not a studio like the other one. I can't help it, it takes me back to when I first subbed like 10 years ago when you were making your bones here so to speak working out of this shop and doing some heavy cuts and great work, it just feels so much more authentic and relatable than the current one, that one just feels more like a showroom where nothing really gets done. 🤷👍👍
Havent seen a video in the home shop in a while.
Kurtis from Cutting Edge Engineering down in Australia recently did a piece like that using a new electric plasma spray machine he just bought. He used the gas flame spray one before that. Had I not seen that process being done, I would think such a thing could never work. I would have thought that the metal power would burn up before reaching the work and never adhere to it. That is crazy that it works.
The system CEE uses is able to do surfaces which will have pressure and rolling contact with hardened materials, hence the plasma. That material is laid down at a higher temp as well, CEE used a IR temp gun, remember the higher temp? Around 300-325°C instead of 300-350°F for Abom's unit.
Great video Adam, your skills are truly awe inspiring, i love the attention to detail, keep up the hard work. Have a great day Adam.
What a great outcome, thanks Adam for the content.
Home shop just like old times. Could have called it a Saturday night special? Is that still a thing?
Always wanted one of these. Very interesting to watch, not common to take that much care! That part left the shop in perfect order, hope you made money on it!
Nice!! Great seeing the old shop again.... 🙂
I love your flame spray projects.....keep them coming!
Love the old shop! I'll be sad to see it go.
It would be interesting to see a test piece where you tried to rip the layer off to see how well it sticks. Since it is not actual welding (the base material does not melt), there must be a limit to how well it can stick.
Fantastic job Adam
Good job Adam and camera girl Abby. Be safe!
Another well presented video with excellent editing from the "BOOTH" team!👍
I miss the old shop with the wooden workbench. The old SNS!
Me too
Learned something new, again! Great video!
Always enjoy watching... thanks for sharing Adam... cheers!
I really enjoy the flame spray videos. Thanks for sharing.
Hey Abom! I love your channel and have been a subscriber for many years. I'm just curious whether you read these comments or not. I don't always read the comments myself but I can't recall you ever replying to a comment.
He must read them, because I see some being deleted once in a while…
Yeah he definitely reads them cause if you poke fun at how he has more sponsors than a NASCAR driver he will hide the comment usually
Saved another one!
Great video as always.
Hi Adam
Great job, I never saw a flame spayer before very nice, Adam I’m in the process of moving to Florida and I already have almost everything in boxes, I have some tool holders for an old lathe that a friend gave me and I have no use for these tool holders and I wouldn't like to throw them in the trash, if you're interested I can take them with me and I'll drop off just let me know
Thank you
Adam, thanks for bringing my workbench to your shop for an hour. Have seen enough spray weld videos from you that I got some work done this time. It was fun listening and catching some spray weld shots now and then. Like hangin’ at a friend’s shop with no commute (but mute, except for this). Merry Christmas to you, Abby, and all of yours, Brian
Very nice work mister
Another awesome job 😅 thanks for sharing your work !!
i450 Arc Spray on CEE channel was a good watch too.
Yay new abom video!
Super repair. Thanks, Adam.
😮 Good job Adam.
I have seen so many of these videos and I actually now know how to get my Christmas tree straight. I pretend my tree holder is a 4 jaw and I go from there. Peace.
Are the home shop love your videos Adam thanks for sharing
How does this affect the temper of the shaft? Does it need to be heat treated after?
My impression is that the shaft itself never really gets hot enough to change its heat treatment. I think he mentioned that somewhere in this video... maybe? But with all the spray welding he's done, and the hands-on training with the supplier of the gun, the issue of heat treatment afterwards has never come up.
Hey Adam, are you considering a post grinder? Safer than using the cloth and a hell more consistent/better finish.
Love your videos!!
Great job .
Is that material harder than the parent metal, this way it won't wear as fast as the shaft?
Very nice fix and fitup...those busing seem like they will go a long way as long as they keep good grease pumped into it
Keep em coming!!!!
Thanks for sharing this job with us, Adam.
Can a flame-spray surface be hardened if needed?
Some of them can, others do not like high heat after the spray process. Typically if you need harder you change to a harder spray powder
@@corylocher1Yup, several choices for the antique Adam traded up to and from -the newer ones give you a lot more control, powder choices, and heat zones with other specific companies providing a whole slew of choices for the vast number of jobs they can work with. In the beginning there was only this singular company though from which all the other ones emerged. The idea became the name of the company and is a whole industry of itself.
Great video, Adam. The last time i used a flame coating equipment was over 20 years ago, and it was a Jet-Coat.
I'm curious if you cover the ways on the Monarch on the other side.
I have frequent wondered as well, but he has a fair bit of distance between them and by the time the over spray gets there it is just large dust particles he might not think another thing about.
Thanks
Back in the day Canadian Families sent Massey Ferguson tractors to Cuba to pay ransom to Canadians captured in the Bay of Pigs Invasion. The tractors were shipped by rail from Moncton NB to Halifax NS and shipped by water to Cuba. This tractor would be of the same or similar vintage as the tractors sent to Cuba.
Interesting
@@billsimpson604And most of those need repair just like these do, There is quite the thriving tractor shop work and need for more. Elderly (over 50) Machinist with practical experience are recruited from Florida, for those who do not spit at the name Castro. Retirement there was opened up recently by the Obama administrative department allowing fund to be dispersed to IRA owners who moved there. Good food from what I heard, the internet, meh, better here on the continental side. Old/New stock, from before Castro almost non-existant, so most everything is made from billet or DOM already there. Wait times can be long. Still better than Puerto Rico where everything has to be cross shipped via Florida and specific shippers.
Perhaps it was a late UPS return.... 😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣
@@AbbeyRoad69147 I see what you did there
Adam I really enjoyed watching this particular episode. It reminded me of some similar jobs I had back in the '90s. The job was the main shaft on a big horizontal bandsaw, bearing surfaces had been "worn out". When I went to turn down the bearing surfaces the metal just disintegrated into crumbs. So at one time these shafts had been worked over so I retouched the surfaces and welded and successfully remachined them. I did several shafts for them until I learned why the shafts were failing. The bearings were being over greased causing the bearings to heat up and swell and loosen up on the bearing surface causing surface failure.
Just like CEE Australia, has many interesting flame spray videos, mostly in much larger machinery (and not accurate to 1/10000 inch)
Close enough Adam !!!
Such a totally high end process. few cxan do right.
NICE. THANK YOU.
Thanks for another interesting old shop job. . How do you compensate for the thermal expansion of the heated shaft? I thought the extreme pressure would ruin the live center but apparently not. The bearings in that center must be very strong to take that much heat and pressure.
My impression is that the shaft is usually warmed up to a couple of hundred degrees F, and that the material sort of fuses on rather than more like other welding processes. Then if the steel has a coefficient of expansion of about 7ppm, and about 3" of the shaft was hot at any one time, we get about 4.2 thousandths of expansion. That seems pretty reasonable, compared with the ordinary loads on a live center just from cutting.
As to the temperature at the live center, I would guess there's not a lot of transfer to it, what with steel being a relatively poor conductor of heat. But again, it seems like there would be loads from normal (heavy) cutting that are perhaps similar to what happens with this process.
Or... how do you see it? Am I far off base? I'm just trying to ballpark it to see if there's a reason to panic. I noticed that the whole thing didn't coming flying apart, or making funny noises, and he's used that center for this process many times before, so there must be an explanation.
Awesome
QUE MARAVILLA DE TORNO !!
Beautiful!
How's the wear resistance on this method? I'm excited to learn about this, great video Adam.
That Victor is a great machine, we have one since new in the late 80's. its done a world of work and made a lot of money. Taiwanese iron is good stuff. Just picked up a Hardinge hlvh-em knockoff from them used, no issues with it's quality either.
Those are some mad Max torch goggles....on a more serious note is the and special turning insert/grind to use when turning the power down?
Awesome👌
I really like the outcome. But i wonder what surface quality u can reach on that build up? It always looks a bit tarnish?
At my last shop we can get anywhere from 2-2500 RA depending on customer needs! We wire sprayed up to 2500 RA on some parts for gripping or for surface plates to be walked on in oily/greasy environments
@@corylocher1 Thats in micro Inch? So thats really smooth... didn't expect that from the visual appearance. Thank You!
@ yes, it takes some work after machining to get it there but generally after machining you can get a 32 RA or better pretty quickly . Typical machined surface finish is around 64-125 ra!
@@renetr6771Remember, Abomb is working with an antique from the original company. It is only marginally better than the one he started with, the new units are very expensive by comparison and Adam hadn't developed as good a relationship with suppliers as he can now. If there was a need for it he could probably get them to give him much newer equipment. This is the advantage of having a UA-cam presence as big as he does. He gets the new toys, the less new toys and whatever Hand me downs they have.
@@CothranMike And that is the answer to which question?
I remember when I was younger. The only choice was making a new shaft or welding it up and recutting it to size. Or the other options were buying a new shaft.
I know I can Google this but hearing from a Pro who's been doing this kind of work for so long it makes the answer more special, but what make Emory cloth different from Sand paper?
The backing is actually a cloth, a bit like a thin burlap. It is far more forgiving of excess tension, and oil on the part. Like sand paper it can come with any of the common abrasives. The most common is aluminum oxide. Emory cloth is also more willing to tear in a straight line, where paper is usually jagged even when using a straight edge.
Nice job , Have you checked out the thermal metal arc spray system ?
Next time you do some spray welding, I want to hear from you about your "Space-Punk-Bad-Ass-Goggles"
Being in the optical industry, I'm loving them!
Stay AWESOMENESS!
That opening photo is total steam punk. Would make a great poster for the merch shop. 🙂 That second grease hole is a mystery when paired with that narrow bushing. Maybe there's a seal that runs inside it, so it fills a reservoir around the shaft? Just wondering...
For a really marketable shot, he'd have to get his face right up close to the tool, turn off all the lights so the flame is the primary lighting on his face, and do this teeth-baring Billy Idol sneer
Could it be possible to flame spray the low spots of a lathe ways. And then hand scrape them flat?
It would flake off if you didn’t go through the process of fully preparing the contaminated surface to accept it.
@Inventorsquare of course but that would happen in any aplication. Maybe flame spray a piece of the ways is better than hand scrape two meters of ways
No!
I'm sure there's a better process for that kind of repair.
Nice.
Adam, I couldn't help noticing that the splines had seen much better days - it that a job he's asked you to rectify?
I'm a bit surprised you don't oven pre-heat to 280-300F "until the smoke stops"
Thanks Adam. How long does that spray on metal last? is it like new? Thanks Oh yeah can I still have that Victor?
Actually this type of repair is better than the original metal the shaft is made of and will last longer than the original.
How long does a weld last
Same thing
@@tomrobertson3236depends. What material, what method, and what base being welded up. But inbroad, yes...
Noticed the Fire Ext on the cart at around 9:30 do you get your Fire Ext serviced? When was the last time it was inspected? I wouldn't want you to need and not have it working Adam.
Where do you get your wide strips of sandpaper for polishing? The width looks convenient!
emery cloth roll or sheet :)
@@madmodder123 looks like rolls and the curl amount shows it is about 1/3 the way into the roll.
How hot does is need to be before striking the powder on ..?
125 degrees and 500 max during the spray
Looks like he's using that temp stick as a tester. If it starts to transfer then it's hot enough.
Why the threads?
It increases the surface area for the flame spray filler to adhere to.
Create the rough surface for good bonding.
When stressed the bond is less likely to fail radially
What do you see with the welding goggles on? Maybe you can film it with a very low exposure setting or a ND/solar filter on the camera?
If you actually want to see that, he's done it many many many times.
Is the flame spray more cost effective than using wire feed?
Wire feed or mig is a much hotter procedure, Welding will warp this shaft, hence the need for flame spray.
@@CothranMike Thanks. I don't know anything about flame spray. Is the resulting strength/hardness the same as a hotter process?
@@sccolbert whatever hardness you wish with these lesser heat solutions. There are powders to spray any number Rockwell C you want. This is not anywhere close to the temps needed for making something hard, with air quench or any of the faster methods to take the critical temp and freeze for later tempering like water or oil. It is a way to make metal adherence work for oil film conditions only.
The process causes materials to bond at lower temps, around those temps used for tempering. It used to not be used for any rolling contact since that stress will peel the bond. This is not a molecular bond though such as welding, brazing, and the like. It is only for gentle contact such as is shown, oil film type.
Since the 90's I think there have been solutions for repair of contact surfaces which need not only higher heat they need an atmosphere which allows a molecular bond. Plasma can be adjusted for specific combinations and usage, metals will be united. The systems which can do this are now closer to ready-to-use -they are sold as turnkey systems for specific repairs world over for example.
Edited for typos
@@CothranMike Thanks so much for taking the time on that answer. It was very informative. Cheers!
@@sccolbert thank you, and you are welcome!
Their hardfacing rod is bad ass but you need a home loan to get a can
that was well worth 25 bucks Lol
Where's the painted USA hardtail vise?
*Massey :D
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