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  • @estebansanchez7407
    @estebansanchez7407 Рік тому +97

    Love Hades aspect. We need a quick spin+massive spin run.

    • @omerta926
      @omerta926 Рік тому +1

      Seconded! Was about to ask if it’s possible to get both…it’s been a while since I’ve played

  • @RJR4646
    @RJR4646 Рік тому +37

    18:00 Massive Spin in this scenario is not about the dmg, but apply the debuff quicker and from a far distance

  • @BFedie518
    @BFedie518 Рік тому +66

    If anyone is wondering why Sweet Surrender isn't good: the +% from the attack boon is not affected by the +15% from Sweet Surrender. That +10/15% *only* applies to the *base* damage.
    If you have a base damage of 50, an attack boon that gives you +80%, and Sweet Surrender giving you 10%, your damage formula is:
    50 * (1 + 0.8 + 0.1) = 50 * 1.9 = 95
    *It is not* 50 * 1.8 * 1.1 = 99
    It's basically equivalent to a pom. In some cases, a pom actually is better.

    • @ivancarlos4951
      @ivancarlos4951 Рік тому

      ??

    • @BFedie518
      @BFedie518 Рік тому +4

      @@ivancarlos4951 Is this confusion about my explanation or disbelief that it works this way?

    • @ivancarlos4951
      @ivancarlos4951 Рік тому +2

      @@BFedie518 former

    • @fay1121
      @fay1121 Рік тому +1

      Wait so let's say I get Aphro's special (+80%) on Sword , so 50*(1+0.8) and get Sweet Surrender (+10%), so now do I deal 50*(1+0.8+0.1) or 50*1.1*1.9?

    • @BFedie518
      @BFedie518 Рік тому

      @@fay1121 50 * (1 + 0.8 + 0.1)

  • @pumbaa667
    @pumbaa667 Рік тому +3

    30:18 "Hades II, the bitch is back"
    Damn I want that subtitle ! 😆

  • @andreassmed2255
    @andreassmed2255 Рік тому +10

    1:24 Hades teaching his son to curse…
    Truly THE DAD of all time.

    • @conspicuous.8163
      @conspicuous.8163 10 місяців тому

      “Hey son, FUCK. Say it with me. F-U-C-K.”

  • @MrEdwardpullman
    @MrEdwardpullman Рік тому +9

    Love how educated you've made me about when I take hammers.
    Then you have the few times where the second hammer doesn't get offered until Styx or at all...

  • @shanedsouza189
    @shanedsouza189 Рік тому +18

    My favourite combination with the Hades spear is actually poseidon with any of the secondary Poseidon boons. The idea is to clear rooms really fast by having enemies smash into the walls and such. Not great in asphodel but it's insane for elysium clearing/styx which i find to be the hardest parts of the runs.

    • @chanceraphael328
      @chanceraphael328 2 місяці тому

      Mine was Ares’ curse of pain and Poseidon’s tidal dash, and from there I pick out massive spin, any artemis boons, breaching skewer, and that’s it I think

  • @aaronlund4250
    @aaronlund4250 Рік тому +2

    Thanks for this! Completely changed my perspective on what used to be my least favorite aspect because I was so focused on spinning and ignoring special hammers. Just got my highest heat spear clear with Deadly Flourish, Exploding launcher + Charged Skewer plus some Chaos, Rush delivery and Billowing strength for extra spice. It tore up EM4 dad like he was nothing.

  • @quandary23
    @quandary23 11 місяців тому +1

    "Zeus just won't leave us alone" (3:58)
    appreciate the myth accuracy from the devs there

  • @Pretty_Boy_Music
    @Pretty_Boy_Music Рік тому +5

    Yo Haelian! Spiritfall is getting a massive update tomorrow (the 13th as I’m posting this) that gives the final god and I’d love to see you cover it. Since you last played it there’s a new region, multiple npcs, and run alteration focused gameplay tweaks so your iconic specialized builds can thrive. Keep being awesome and the best roguelike UA-camr I know 🤙

  • @Omnicloud7strife
    @Omnicloud7strife Рік тому +7

    Fun video. I’ve been leaning towards Achilles lately, but I used to love this one. Maybe I should pick it up again.
    Thanks for these UA-cam exclusives during Soulstember!

  • @Quyzbuk86
    @Quyzbuk86 Рік тому +7

    Yeah I definitely should've been using something like this when I brute forced a 40+ with this aspect. I always lean toward the spin hammers and outright ignore anything to do with the special. Even with serrated point the damage just feels so lackluster on the heroes & dad fight and they just drag.

  • @alibobdagreat2834
    @alibobdagreat2834 Рік тому +25

    I’ve been saying this for soo long and they all called me crazy for it

    • @spiritbond8
      @spiritbond8 Рік тому +1

      this was just an explosive launcher run...

    • @DoppelgangerTH
      @DoppelgangerTH Рік тому +6

      ​@@spiritbond8Don't talk to him, he's crazy

    • @DoppelgangerTH
      @DoppelgangerTH Рік тому

      @Haelian easier to play with other aspects dealing similar or higher damage with less setup. Aspect of Hades feels like mental gymnastics with far stretches comparatively. (Personal opinion)

    • @alibobdagreat2834
      @alibobdagreat2834 Рік тому +1

      @@HaelianI always liked using serrated edge with hades spear

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  Рік тому +1

      @@alibobdagreat2834 Sorry my reply was meant for the other commenter, didn't seem to work though lol

  • @jawnney
    @jawnney Рік тому +8

    Hades 2: Chthonic Bogaloo

  • @verzephyra
    @verzephyra 3 місяці тому

    Just did a quick spin + massive spin with Hades aspect today and it was soooo fun and one of my best times! Can hit entire chambers /corners depending on the layout

  • @kaioken301
    @kaioken301 Рік тому +2

    Good run. Would love to see an all weapons speedrun with the Olympus mod on one day.

  • @perriwinkleiii5361
    @perriwinkleiii5361 Рік тому +3

    Favourite aspect 🙌 thanks for the food papa

  • @atrixospithikos
    @atrixospithikos Рік тому +1

    Actually poseidon if you get all the extra boons especially breaking wave and razor shoals works wonders for the spin to win build, fast spin hammer required though and zeus on something to get the duo with poseidon spin becomes op

  • @ibrahimbeats
    @ibrahimbeats Рік тому +1

    I had no idea the buff didn't affect the spin!!! I've been doing this all wrong for so long lmao

  • @soraearth
    @soraearth Рік тому +1

    Hades aspect is so hard, although I escaped a couple of times. I don't get big damage numbers, it's a slow whittling away thing for me

  • @DNABeast
    @DNABeast Рік тому

    I love the Hades spin. I turn fiery presence on and go to town. I find I really struggle if I turn on the pack that speeds up the enemies though.

  • @cribzero9974
    @cribzero9974 Рік тому +9

    hurt to watch you sell hunters mark! Strong drink is just additive percent, which, on top of all your other damage buffs, really only was increasing your damage by a couple percent, but epic hunters mark, plus PP and the 20% on the special means that you could essentially maintain a chain of near 100% crit damage, increasing your total output by potentially double!

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  Рік тому +4

      Nah Hunter's Mark won't do much versus dad with so few mobs and that was the only fight worth considering at that point.

  • @jerds9293
    @jerds9293 Рік тому +2

    Spin to win, baybee!

  • @Kavukamari
    @Kavukamari Рік тому

    it's always right when you're doing well that tina vermin shows up

    • @Kavukamari
      @Kavukamari Рік тому

      two of the worst rooms in styx and you got em

  • @sr.lontra
    @sr.lontra Рік тому +1

    Love WIPPING the screen as the enemies are about to spawn and giving a massive damage boost to whoever is still alive

  • @arrtemfly
    @arrtemfly Рік тому

    very helpful! spear is one arm i struggle with, so this is super informative, thanks. also didn't know about hugging dad xD

  • @joshc1334
    @joshc1334 Рік тому +1

    I was just wondering if you would ever consider doing a guan yu spin to win build as I love playing these builds but they only sometimes work for me

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  Рік тому

      It's dependent on the hammers, here's an oldy with us doing it ua-cam.com/video/u1YxlO9B97Y/v-deo.html

  • @Kavukamari
    @Kavukamari Рік тому

    i like going into massive + quick spin because the aoe is HUGE, dying lament might be pretty pog for that because you can almost hit the entire screen, and if you have a high damage boost or some other effect that could be really strong

    • @Kavukamari
      @Kavukamari Рік тому

      all this time i thought the spin damage was also boosted by the 150%, imagine the results if i was playing the game right

    • @Kavukamari
      @Kavukamari Рік тому

      i honestly think massive spin for spreading debuffs is great, im pretty sure it does spread them, otherwise i guess ive been using it wrong

  • @LOLFLUSHDRAW
    @LOLFLUSHDRAW Рік тому +2

    the goofy ass laugh after the spin joke was amazing

  • @zan4336
    @zan4336 Рік тому +3

    I feel like spin builds are actually pretty strong if you use it properly but it's kinda hard to do with forced overtime and stuff. That's why Guan Yu is probably the most underrated aspect.

  • @JustinSmith-kg4kb
    @JustinSmith-kg4kb Рік тому

    I never thought about it until now, can you pom Strong Drink? I don't recall ever seeing it offered, or why you'd throw a pom on it vs other boons

  • @landios9555
    @landios9555 Рік тому

    so you talked about aspect of achilleies i was wondering what the general consensus on it was because i think it's really stupid in a funny way

  • @yukotrey9422
    @yukotrey9422 Рік тому

    You should do an educational video on all the gods including the Olympus extra ones

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  Рік тому

      How do you mean? Can you be more specific?

    • @LloydTheZephyrian
      @LloydTheZephyrian Рік тому

      ​@@HaelianI'm guessing they mean something like the general gist of each of the gods' main contributions as well as what boons might be best for which weapons.

  • @BrendanStuart
    @BrendanStuart Рік тому +1

    Hades 2: Revelations

  • @madelinelove5150
    @madelinelove5150 Рік тому +2

    You don't recommend EM4 for 32 heat but here I am doing it for like 20 heat lol

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  Рік тому +2

      It's a fun pact and I'll often run it at 20 heat myself but I definitely wouldn't recommend it for someone trying to snag a new heat record win for themselves.

  • @AlonsoQuesadaMartinez
    @AlonsoQuesadaMartinez Рік тому

    Why do the end screen says you have 51 total clears, but the weapon rundown shows only this clear? Is this a special file for high heat runs?

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  Рік тому

      This is a speedrun file that's shared on speedrun dot com. I have to reset my save on occasion for a few reasons, namely big mods like the one that adds new Gods and for the sake of speedrunning (more run attempts = longer load times).

  • @Topaz542
    @Topaz542 Рік тому +1

    My first (and so far ONLY) spear win was with Hades spear

    • @inlieuofsense9521
      @inlieuofsense9521 Рік тому

      u should try a cast build with the achilles spear, get some artemis for crits and use poseidon in special and cas and possibly call, the special knocks foes away to keep u safe and also bffs the cast to some crazy damage (use the regeneratimg cast)
      then spec into knock away damage and pick rupturing boons from poseudon if possible. hermes auto reload for quicker cast regeneration and your quoite powerful
      its just the opposite of hades spear, u dont want to build into the spin

    • @Topaz542
      @Topaz542 Рік тому

      ​@@inlieuofsense9521believe me I've tried lmao. The spear just makes zero sense to me

  • @VOWARANT
    @VOWARANT Рік тому

    I like using Demeter and Aphrodite on it and getting even more damage with Privileged Status

  • @Marcus-oj9xw
    @Marcus-oj9xw Рік тому

    32 heat Perfect Clear. Got damn. I've done that on 20 heat only

  • @1TieDye1
    @1TieDye1 Рік тому

    It’s frustrating that the damage boost doesn’t apply to the spin.

  • @MarkusAndersen96
    @MarkusAndersen96 5 місяців тому

    of all the weapons I used, the spear was the most frustrating and took the most tries to get a clear on. Maybe purely personal but god I hate the spear.

  • @littlebumgorf
    @littlebumgorf Рік тому

    Hades 2 HELLISH boogaloo. I’m applying your tips and I’m doing better, almost all my weapons are at 20 heat. 32 heat I’ve gotten once but it kicks my butt most of the time. unfortunately at this point I need to be faster, dodge better, get good basically 😅

  • @TeaserTravlein
    @TeaserTravlein Рік тому

    Why does aspect of hades not look like the spear hades uses

    • @DNABeast
      @DNABeast Рік тому +3

      Aspect of Hades is his old spear. There's some dialogue about how he used to use it but upgraded to the new one.

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  Рік тому

      Damn even I don't remember this

    • @Mekkkah
      @Mekkkah Рік тому

      Hades's trident is Gigaros. Zag Spear is Varatha.

  • @RyuuTadashi
    @RyuuTadashi Рік тому

    Does it drive anyone else a little crazy that he skips so many rewards? Like jewels and darkness? I know he doesnt need em at this point, but shinies!

  • @josephus316
    @josephus316 Рік тому +1

    Not nearly enough discussion about Sisqo in this comment section.

  • @noasphere6869
    @noasphere6869 10 місяців тому

    I kinda like seeing your unlucky runs. Your extremely lucky runs are fun, don't get me wrong. But like in this run when you lost your epic hunters mark and you dealt with it gets me in into the kinda cold gamers rush mode, even though I'm obviously not playing.

  • @spritgris
    @spritgris Рік тому

    nice video

  • @RJR4646
    @RJR4646 Рік тому +4

    The punishment dmg works on EVERYTHING. It means that if you have passive ways to do dmg without push buttons works great... LIGHTING ROD LOL
    Edit: This is a joke guys. Both Aspect of Hades and Lighting Rod sucks

    • @Omnicloud7strife
      @Omnicloud7strife Рік тому +3

      It only applies to Attack and Special damage. Says so in the description.

    • @RJR4646
      @RJR4646 Рік тому

      @@Omnicloud7strife Yep, its more about a joke to trying make Lighting Rod good, but doesnt work

    • @Omnicloud7strife
      @Omnicloud7strife Рік тому +1

      @@RJR4646 Oh, okay. Misunderstood your comment as serious, lol. My bad.

    • @DoppelgangerTH
      @DoppelgangerTH Рік тому +1

      ​@Omnicloud7strife it really didn't come across as a joke. Don't be sorry for that.

    • @RJR4646
      @RJR4646 Рік тому

      @@DoppelgangerTH Maybe the "LOL" part was not enough... i should be more clear

  • @seretith3513
    @seretith3513 Рік тому

    You don't allways need a subtitle
    Halo is probably a good example for that

  • @Kavukamari
    @Kavukamari Рік тому

    PomChamp

  • @AnotherAyushRaj
    @AnotherAyushRaj Рік тому +4

    can't stand all this spear propaganda smh

  • @FTCoconutman
    @FTCoconutman Рік тому

    Lies! Aphro call charms hades out of his beam attack i find it useful

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  Рік тому +1

      You can hug dad in the middle of the beams to avoid damage (as long as it's not EM4).
      Another dunk on Aphro, swish

    • @FTCoconutman
      @FTCoconutman Рік тому

      @@Haelian Dad must not like my hugs i just get zapped lol. I concede my point.

  • @IDESTROYER236
    @IDESTROYER236 Рік тому +1

    Hades 2: Thanatussy.