I have to disagree on the spore mines and the biovore most of all, the point of the mines is to not include them in your army, and have lots of units of biovores shoot at a unit that cannot target anything due to obscuring terrain, have the biovores MISS, then place the spore mines (because spore mines do not cost reinforcement points when added in this way) in a way so your opponent cannot easily get a line of sight because the spore mines have prevented your opponent from moving into line of sight as the opponent cannot move near them. plus if they do end up too close to the mines extra mortal wounds are always nice. this is how do beat kastelan robots.
But you could just take an exocrine for each full size unit for biovores. An enemy unit also can't target anything if its dead. The one thing biovores do have over exocrine though is line of sight.
@@jacksontrotter7608 you do make a fair point, but spore mines do not cost reinforcement points if added to your army via biovores, which have been seen in some competitive lists due to the fact that they do not need line of sight and can deny objectives with spore mines.
@@jacksontrotter7608yes, I think you are probably right, although I am sure that a much better player than me could figure out a way of utilising the spore mines, I certainly think it would be interesting to have a spore mine spam army.
I think that's more the Biovore being underrated than Spore Mines, if anything. You would never take Spore Mines if you weren't getting them for free if your intent was to win, and if you could opt to make Biovores generate the same point value in almost literally anything else, I feel Mines would just get zero use period. Biovores have neat application, but, it's not like you're getting Mines for "free", their value is coming out of the Biovore, and buying a Biovore with the intent of missing to create free Mines, is just paying the Biovore's cost for Mines.
I wish GW hadn't completely forgotten about Tyranids on the modelling side. There's literally been 129 Marine kits since Tyranids last got a model released. They were such a good 'big bad' enemy for the galaxy back in 3rd/4th/5th ed, but now they're just completely overshadowed by Necrons/Chaos etc
@@mpepp9 Well, both Chaos and Nids are basically endless. Nobody knows how to get rid of their neverending reinforcements. Chaos can't be killed of without killing every living being in the galaxy, and Nids, well, it seems what we have seen so far is only a scouting party. xD So far the necrons seem to have the only viable solution: disintegrate all biomass/ life. That would end with both Chaos and Nids failing... but who except necrons wants THAT.
Hello grueman. I dont play warhammer 40k or really know much about the lore, but I still enjoy watching yout videos and learning a small bit about this game and the community that plays it(it also helps that the designs are dope)
Don’t monsters get big guns never tired? And according to 9th shooting a heavy weapon, only infantry suffer penalties (unless the unit rules says otherwise), so monsters and vehicles should ignore move and shoot at -1 to hit.
I gotta disagree on a few calls you made here. Swarmlord is easily 4 stars for the Hive Commander ability. The only thing Nids have going for them is their mobility, and this guy provides that in spades. Tyranid Prime is kinda trash, as its only use is buffing Warriors. Genestealers cost too much to be higher than 3 stars anymore. You're just straight up wrong about the Maleceptor. You don't take it for Psychic Overload, but for its Encephalic Diffusion strat. Reducing the Str of incoming fire is amazing, when you can knock Bolters down to 3 str. Suddenly, marines are wounding our chaff on 4s, and our bigger bugs on 5s and 6s. The Lictor is 5 stars, but not for the reasons you list. It's straight awful in melee, and struggles to even kill a single Primaris Marine. What you take it for is a 37 pt investment to guarantee scoring Deploy Scramblers. The pts you put in vs the VP you get out is an amazing deal. For Shrikes, I don't think they are long for this world. They only appear in the Index from 8th edition. Likely they're getting the Legends treatment. I think your math is off on the Trygon Prime. It's only 190 pts. According to the Munitorum Field Manual, you only need to pay the 30 points once, not for each set. Lastly, you omitted the Hierodules from Heavy Support, and the Dimacheron from Fast Attack, but that's probably just because they're Forge World. They're good.
@@lunarproduction What does he do that another tyran can't do except for the second move ? Second move that don't allow the unit to shoot so, already useless for a lot of unit...
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 I'm not sure you understand how amazing a second move is. The only shooting units we have are not moving anyway, so they don't care. Exocrines and Hive Guard stay put at the back field. Our Genestealers, Dimacherons, Scythed Hierodules, and Swarmy himself however, have no guns and will tear shit up if/when they get into melee. Taking Kraken as your Hive Fleet lets you get not one, but two big beefy melee units into charge range on turn 1. This is extremely important, as the biggest weakness of our melee guys is getting shot off the board before they ever reach their targets. On top of that, Swarmlord is one of our only sources of S8 weapons. He's worth every point.
@@EpicFiddleGuy Unless one of those is a genestealer or broodlord, you will send only one big monster if you advance since you will be able to cast the spell that allow him to charge only once. Then, what happen ? You have one big thing alone in the ennemy line. Yes, it might kill something (Might !) but then, it will get deleted. Same thing with the swarmlord. Once he's out of hiding, every gun will be on him since your strategy is pretty much based on him. Why based on him ? Why would you pay 270 points in one unit if not as a key element ? Or worst : Your ennemy have put simple infantry in front of anything important. And 6 (+tails) attack won't even go through (Only genestealer might get a chance.). I know that Double move can be powerful... But it can also be isealy counter... These days, our only good unit are those that can shoot or survive long enough to get points. Swarmlord is uselless in that climat or at least no more than a tyran. His point are better serve in warrior or gaunt.
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 It's not just stuck there. Tyranids have a strategem called Overrun. After you kill something with the Dimacheron, you can then move it yet again to get it behind cover. It's really easy to do, since it ignores terrain for movement.
I'm slowly getting into 40k, and wow do the Tyranids resonate with me. I've been interested in lore videos, but this is the first technical dive I've watched. Thank you for posting this!
Curious about how long you've had this one recorded. Forgeworld models had a pile of huge rules changes like Sky Slashers getting their deep strike like Rippers, the Dimachaeron/Hierodules got moved to Fast Attack/Heavy Support respectively and massive stat reworks, and Shrikes are now gone to legends because they had no official model.
wait i literally ahve starcraft in the background i thought it was just my game background sound but i closed starcraft after reading this and lol you are right omg.
INTRO: Blast doesn't hurt us nearly as bad as coherency voracious has and always will be a trap Jorm is good, it trades a little infantry durability/offense/mobility for a lot of monster durability. You don't really use their stratagem or spell, just their trait to get 1+ save barbed hierodules and 2+ save monsters. Pack Hunting is simply worse Bio Metallic Cysts for the vast majority of units, because most units don't get to use either trait unless they're hormagaunts, but BMC is unconditional, where PH has an easy to fulfill condition. The Norn Crown is probably one of the worst relics in the game, and the maw claw isn't great in my opinion, Resonance Barb should always be taken. HQ: I agree that tervigons are 2 stars. I disagree that Swarmy is worse than tyrants and that he is three stars. He is used in most comp lists nowadays, and his extra movement is essential. Especially if you play passively with the new forgeworld models, he'll live more often than not for WWSWF secondary points, and his melee capability surpasses a non-adapted tyrant anyway in melee. His movement is also better than a flyrant on flat terrain. He is simply valuable. I would give him 5 stars. I agree that Tyrants are 2-3 stars. I disagree that the Tyranid Prime is 4 stars, but that's because I think Warriors are a trap option. We don't need cheap HQ when our HQ is the best thing we have. I would give him 2-3 stars. I agree that the Neurothrope is amazing, most likely one of the best units in our codex. I would give it 5 stars. That being said, the Horror is better than Onslaught in my opinion (not for the Neuro, but for other casters) due to not needing to gamble advances. In addition, Kronos Symbiostorm is our best spell, and it does well on a Barbed Neuro. Broodlords are not 5 stars. Most Comp nid players think they are 1-2 stars. I think they are 3 stars due to recognizing the usefulness inherent in being able to absolutely kill a guy. His buff to stealers is near worthless due to their dropped value in 9th. Overall good, but we have too many good HQ units to warrant him. (UNLISTED) Malanthrope deserves 5 stars. Get Down Sir+6" of -1 to hit is simply amazing. TROOPS: I agree that Hormagaunts are 4 stars. I disagree that Genestealers are 4 stars. I would rank them at 2 stars. Their offensive capability is not good for their points. They are not well costed. They are not survivable, they are only fast and are only fast when combined with Kraken and Swarmy support. Infestation nodes should almost never be used. Tyranid Warriors, in my opinion, are a 3 star unit. They simply do not justify their cost. They are incredibly durable when adapted, but we already do that with termagants, and I just can't see the use. Termagants are amazing and deserve their 5 stars. ELITES: I agree with the rating of the Haruspex and Deathleaper. The Maleceptor deserves 3 stars. His -1 incoming strength stratagem is good, though his standard stats are passable. The Tyranid Guard are 1 star, rather than 2. Their lack of speed combined with lack of strength, and the fact that it's equally efficient to get another hive tyrant if you just want to save tyrant wounds. I agree with the ratings for the Red Terror, Pyrovores, Venomthropes, Hive Guard and Lictors (with the caveat that I think Lictors may be the best units in the game due to their ability to perform actions after deepstrike, and then charge gunlines denying overwatch and completely shut down bad melee guns (even if only for one turn, shutting down a custodes dread is useful) Zoans however I disagree with. I am talking against the Tyranid grain however, most Tyranid players believe Zoans to be far better than I do. I would still place them at 4 stars, but find their offensive and defensive capabilities highly overrated. FAST ATTACK: I agree with Spores, Sky Slasher Swarms, Gargoyles and Raveners. Shrikes should get 2 stars. No Prime Buff, no Defensive Stratagems, No Objsec, just worse warriors. The Mawloc deserves 4 stars. He can break screens, letting him contest backline objectives and abandoned objectives, and grants all manner of mobility secondaries, as well as being 102 points to lock people down for a little bit, as they can't move through the large footprint. (UNLISTED) Dimachaeron deserves 5 stars. He is incredibly strong, killing anything he touches, with practically fly and super fast with swarmy buffs. He's also incredibly durable. HEAVY SUPPORT: I agree with Toxicrene and both Trygons. I disagree with Biovores and believe they deserve 3 stars. Yes, killing things is more useful than pestering them, but if you can lock an entire army off an objective with some well placed mines, they're incredibly useful. They can also lock down big models via spore mine *wrapping*, completely annihilating any use melee LOW want. Carnifexes deserve 2 stars. They simply lack offensive and defense. The thornback, tyrannofex and Exocrine I agree with. (UNLISTED) The Barbed Hierodule deserves 5 stars. Most tanky unit we have, with really good shooting. The Scythed Hierodule deserves 4 stars, his large footprint without fly basically makes him a Dima with worse mobility and better offense, which is helpful when dueling with big monsters, but most of the time, the Dima already kills whatever it touches, just take that instead. DEDICATED TRANSPORT: The Tyrannocyte deserves 1 star due to it's lack of use. FLYERS: I agree with both flyers. (UNLISTED) The Harridan deserves 3-4 stars. It simply has an incredibly good combination of stats. TERRAIN: Sporocysts deserve 3 stars. They, like biovores, can lock down so much area early and make it near impossible for your opponent to take certain objectives. LORD OF WAR: (UNLISTED) Hierophant deserves 3 stars. Actually okay stats offensively and defensively. Fun unit too, at the expense of being expensive. Overall I would give this video 2/5 stars for accuracy and 4/5 stars for editing. It was fun to watch, but stuck in the past. It seemed as though you only said things that were true in 8th and disregarded 9th.
I'd love for you to do Daemons, since it would 'complete' the chaos group, and you didn't cover daemon units from the CSM codex when you did that book.
YESSSS. Been waiting for this. Nids are actually really good at playing objectives in 9th. I think their biggest problem comes down to literally everything outside of Lictors being overcosted for what it does.
Maleceptor 1 star? someone clearly hasn't used them much. They have a defensive profile on par with a hivetyrant, and the -1 S to incoming shots stratagem is one of the best stratagems in our codex, especially for nidzilla
*woah woah woah. Swarmy is a 4 star at least. Probs 5. He is more about utility than just shear damage. *Do you consider Stratagems during these? A lot of the tyranids rely on those. *Hive Guard really struggle against Dreadnoughts now, with their -1 to damage you only have a 33% chance to do more than 1dmg per shot. Love the video though! 10year long Tyranid player, both narratively and competitively.
Even on the side of utility, swarmlord doesn't really shine. The double move don't allow the unit to shoot so you won't use it on a unit with a gun which reduce already a lot his usefulness. Then, depending what you fight against, you might throw the unit you double move to its death since it's likely that it will be alone. It might disturb your ennemy for a moment but not long... And, the worst part, there isn't much unit that you would want to throw that way to your ennemy... A lot of the mele unit are overcosted or just useless... So, more often than not, the swarmlord is pointless because he only work with some unit in one playstyle...
The screamer killer doesn't "miss" with its scream. It hacks up a ball of plasma, the high pitch sound this action emits is why this carnifex variant was dubbed as the screamer. But it certainly can miss with the plasma phlegm ball. ;)
Worth keeping in mind on the Tyrannofex is that Stratagem which lets a Monster's shots deal +1 Wound. Use that on the 20-shot gun, fire it twice, and you can absolutely wipe an annoying squad of Scarabs or Rippers.
You may need to re-evaluate the Hormagaunts and Termagants. They require somewhere on the order of 350-400 attacks to kill a unit of 10 Intercessors. Conversely, most factions can clear them with ease. I get that they are cheap, but they are also have a VERY hard time surviving.
Biovores are amazing, the point of the unit isn’t getting hits and mortal wounds, it’s putting spore mines in corridors and move blocking big scary units like tanks or monsters.
Remember that competitive play isn't what you'll always be doing. It's a good idea to start with models that you really like to get built up and give you inspiration :)
Trygon and trygon primes pay for all three sets of scything talons together (150 and 190 base respectively) and synapse doesn't matter for a trygon since it's gonna eat the nearest thing out of deep strike and the 20 genestealers it vomits into your opponents backline will go to town on soft, fleshy backline objective holders. Ergo I simp pretty hard for T-gons.
@@amandafeliz599 actually they get to bring a unit for free into reserves when they burrow, BUT with Jormungandr they can bring two troops option with them!
@@amandafeliz599 also as of the points drops for massive scything talons, trygons and t-primes are now 150 and 190 points total. +5 to those for obligatory adrenal glands, and you've got a pretty solid genestealer delivery device with a relatively yuge damage potential to boot.
As someone thinking of getting into warhammer... as they make new editions, do they just update what units do and add more? Like, can I slowly collect and paint the dudes I dig, knowing in the future when I am free to play the game / buy the rest of the army, the units I've collected over the year or two will still be playable?
As mentioned before, why Shrikes and Sky-Slashers, but not the other Forge-World options? There's still the Stonecrusher Carnifex, Dimachaeron, and Malanthrope. The Scything and Barbed Hierodules got shifted from Lord of War to Heavy Support, which as a fan of Land Raiders, I'd put the Barbed Hierodule at 3-4 Stars for it's solid stats, excellent save, solid guns and not having the movement restrictions the Exocrine has in order to maximize its shooting. Then there's the Lord of War units the Harridan aka Tyranid Dragon, and the massive Hierophant.
Really the only complaint I have with this vid is the trygon prime. I feel it should be at least a 3 star, considering Leviathan's fnp while in synapse. Spreading out the synapse further gives that army a stronger survivability in spades, necessary against big guns. Otherwise, you vid is wild, nice one homie.
On the trygon's they don't actually cost as much as you thought. It's a weird case where it's listed as 3 monstrous scything talons but you only actually have to pay for one. Trygon Prime comes to 190 on battlescribe! Could be battlescribe that's wrong mind you, but since you don't get any benefit at all of a 3rd pair of talons i'd say it's correct.
I think you should do a video including the forge world units, with the heirdule's massive points reduction and updated flamer profile I think it has a place in alot of competitive lists.
Pro: can drop spore mine Spore mine: not great, how is that a pro? XD Tho i have to say this was amazing to see all the cool creatures, even if there not good to play
This video should be labeled "Your Opinion..." Because we have been seeing a lot of different things from the pro scene atm that counteract your ratings and reasonings.
I agree with everything except for one minor thing. You wrote as a con the hive tryant can't buff units but it's a pskyer and they're a lot of buff spells in there it can use
i'm sorry, but how much (if any) research did you do for this video? i know a few things changed in the months this video has been out, but there are so many inconsistencies and subjective opinions without actual objective truths to them judging from your channel, and how you just glance at every faction, i doubt you really had a chance to do much research, but i really hope you revisit this video some time in the future as others mentioned, there are lots of other forgeworld models that you just seemed to forget as well
Adaptive Physiologies are things you can take instead of a warlord trait, which came with the Blood of Baal expansion. You get 1 for free and can spend 1CP for another one (you pretty much always want to do this). If you don't have the Blood of Baal books, reddit has all the adaptive physiologies listed.
As a warning to beginner Tyranid players, there are several flaws with this list. I had to laugh that a Tyranid Prime, which is 1-star hot garbage got rated higher than the Swarmlord, which is arguably the best unit in the book (anyone who disagrees doesn't understand how unique his ability is and how important movement is in 40k). Just off the top of my head from watching: The above points about Swarmlord/Tyranid Prime He is completely missing the point on Lictors, Biovores, and Maleceptors. Lictors are great yes, 4 or 5 stars, but they WILL NOT kill anything the entire game. Complete garbage in combat. They are great however, because they are cheap 1-man, non-character infantry units that deepstrike. This unique profile is great for accomplishing secondaries such as Deploy Scramblers. Maleceptors aren't fantastic, but their use is protecting your units and being reliable casters. And as far as Biovores, you actually want to miss with the spore mines and block your opponent's movement. I'm not sure where he's getting 250ish points for Trygon Primes or over 200 for Trygons. They're not great units, but definitely not that expensive. Lastly, I think any infantry have top be at least 3 stars for being able to complete secondaries. Tyrant Guard can at least do secondaries or hold objectives while protecting a tyrant. Gaunts are certainly not 5 stars, you just need to have them if you plan to have any sort of board presence. For an excellent tier review, watch the one by Tactical Tortoise, at least if you're into competitive Tyranids.
Tyranids biggest boost came from FW... Dimachaeron + Swarmlord and barbed hierodules are INSANE now... you prob should update this video. The FW release came before this video so was shocked when you didn't go into details here on FW
The one thing I really disagree with is Spore Mines being so poorly rated. They don't do much damage and they are fragile, yes. But the key thing is that they can move block better than even nurglings thanks to points. And if your opponent is shooting them then they arent shooting your army. And as part of their move blocking, you could deny the opponent valuable mission points from the start cause they can't get out of the deployment zone and you only spent like 100 points. Not an every game thing but can be a very powerful option for 9th missions
Your Trygon and Trygon Prime point values are off. The Trygon is "only" 150pts and the Trygon Prime is "only" 190pts. I don't know how you got 210 for the Trygon, because "2 or more pairs" of Massive Scything Talons cost 30pts flat, and the Toxinspike, Prehensile Pincer Tail, and Biostatic Rattle all cost 0. That means the Trygon is "only" 120+30 and the Prime is "only" 160+30. I think that bumps them to 3 Stars personally, but I can recognize that they're not very good.
As a hive mind player I think you are right about a bunch of stuff on this list but wrong BIG TIME, on some key others. Tyranid are not a durable or damage dealing army. Our best units buffed as high as they can go arnt even better then stock blue boys, so don't play the game on their terms. Tyranids win and lose games in the movement phase. So that being said, anything that impacts that phase is our key to victory. The big misses here are swarm lord and anything dealing with spore mines. Swarmmy is 5 stars everyday, yeah he's swingy in combat (I have still 1v1ed girlyman and won) but the hive command is so powerful its not funny. Does the enemy hold an objective? Nope cuz 30 terms with ob sec just double moved onto it. They don't need to shoot they just need to throw a dance party on that point. Also anything that hinders your enemy's move only accentuate ours, so here is where mines come in. Biovores have straight up won me games. Is a flamer tank moving up a flank? Did terminators just drop on a corner? Is a smash captain about to make a charge into your horde? No, no they are not. Cuz for your opponent, shooting comes after movement, and if they can't move because there is a FREE unit standing in there way, bully for us. There is not a list that I play without three bios in the back line. In 8th I would move them so they are - 1to hit, just to drop spores down. The mortals are just gravy. Then if you do something crazy like bring 3 sporcysts 9 biovores and a harpy, all of a sudden you are putting 210 points of free move blocking, mortal dealing, extra targets that your opponent has to deal with FREE EVERY TURN all for under a grand in points. Then fill out the rest with swarmy and gaunts maybe with army wide 6+ fnp and you have a stupid to kill army that will dominate the movement phase. That's my two cents at least. P.s. Carnifexs other then stock and standard with upgrades are laughable at 3 stars. Just no. 1 star maybe.
You know I like hearing from different people and some people have different opinions about some of the units. The biggest ones is I have heard is basically they had the tryiand prime warrior hq, as a 3 and the tyrant swarmlord as a 4. But I think that it's because they don't like warriors.
@@sarico7827 Maybe because they don't warrior, yes. The tyranid prime is a must have if you have warrior in your list but can be replace by a neurothrope if you don't (unless you really need those point somewhere else.) For me, the swarmlord is good at three stars but could go lower since he only work if you put a unit that can profit from the double move... Which, for a commander of the hive-fleet, is kind of sad...
love nids and anything that talks about nids. This list is obviously way too focused on "lethality = viability." This is pretty classic with channels that try to have an opinion on everything without having the time and experience on the competitive table to have truly informed opinions. Poorly assessed units include: Broodlord, Gene stealers, Swarmlord, Biovores, Mawloc. Also there are lots of units that nobody plays that everyone has an opinion on, but the fact of the matter is that 40k is a deep game with tons of variables and requires a lot of time with a particular unit to truly realize it's usefulness. That's it... again, love all tyranid content and the game of 40k. But this is just opinions based on datasheets and the 40k reddit feed.
Why don't anyone like Gorgon with their wound re-roll and massive 9" psychic aura of additional AP? Is it because noone plays close-combat bugs, which I like so much?
Problem the close combat is that you need to get there before the ennemy shoot you to death. Because of that and the fragility of the tyranid army, hive fleet that would boost your defences or your speed are better for close combat unit than gorgon.
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 I feel like at 1k pts things go a bit different. So as a beginner I'm playing on a smaller 44"x30" map and really rate things like haruspex (with enormous sized maw), swarm lord and genestealers, who could often run straight into opponent's deployment zone turn one. I don't yet know how it feels to play on a normal size board but according to that video I'll have to change my priorities quite radical when I'll get my army up to 2k pts
@@МаторанКод On bigger board, it's not rare that melee unit need two turns at normal speed to reach their opponent (if not more). Which would mean that the unit will often die or be very low in wounds or number when reaching ennemy line and, in some case, do absolutely nothing... The reason than Kraken was used in that format is that you could take genestealers (who can advance and charge), make them advance (with 3d6, you often get a 5 or 6), duble that advance (so +10 or +12 move) with a stratageme specific to Kraken and use the swarmlord to make them move again. Which would put those genestealer right in front front of the ennemy T1. If you have the time, i would recommend to look at some battle report from miniwargame studio, tabletop tactic or other channel to see the kind of thing that happen on bigger board.
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 I'm watching most of batreps from big channels, but the problem is that you rarely see units like haruspex in such videos. I saw haruspex once and it was a game with long-edge deployment. He performed extremely well, imo, biting dreadnoughts of the opponent hard, but I think it was not the right usage of that beast. Most people on big channels not trying to show anything new or interesting. So the only chance to understand what unit can do is to try playing him by yourself. Winters and his Kraken used to have huge blobs of termagants to hold objectives in 8th. And I felt like it's not a good idea as their shooting was pretty much not used and huge blobs of bugs were difficult to hide, so I feel quite skeptic about termagants now. I think you better take several smaller units and try to hide them near the objective rather then take a lot of them and let your opponent to kill them all with small-arms fire.
@@МаторанКод The problem with haruspex is that it's a slow tank (7 movement...) who is supposed to be a monster in mele (and he can be) but, for some strange reason doesn't hit better than a gaunt... (by that, i mean he hit on a 4+ and 5+ when wounded) and that his potential number of attack can be random. and there is the fact that is strength go down with his wounds... More the time pass, the less he become effective. Next to that, you have the trygon who, for 20 point less give you : hitting on 3+, 6 attack +1 tail attack, Mouvement of 9, ability to arrive at 9' of your ennemy, can get a +1 to his charge, can bring another unit with him,... For the same job, you have two unit where one is clearly superior to the other (which sadly goes for A LOT of unit of the tyranid codex...) ... It make you ask why you would take the haruspex if not for his "cool-factor". For the gaunt : It's sad to say but you shouldn't take them for their ability to kill but because of their numbers. 9th edition is a game of objectif so, the longer you stay on one, the more point you get. They hit on 4+, have endu 3 and save 6+ and shoot with a worst version of a bolter. Except against guard equivalent, they won't kill anything or only by chance. Because of that, their best use is to put a group of 30 on objectif and hope that your ennemy doesn't have what is necessary to clean them... I play against SM and Necron these days and the only real use that my gaunt had in those game are "blocking objectif" and "protect character". You can use them to also try to block infantery unit in mele but it will depend of what you fight.
I have to disagree on the spore mines and the biovore most of all, the point of the mines is to not include them in your army, and have lots of units of biovores shoot at a unit that cannot target anything due to obscuring terrain, have the biovores MISS, then place the spore mines (because spore mines do not cost reinforcement points when added in this way) in a way so your opponent cannot easily get a line of sight because the spore mines have prevented your opponent from moving into line of sight as the opponent cannot move near them. plus if they do end up too close to the mines extra mortal wounds are always nice. this is how do beat kastelan robots.
But you could just take an exocrine for each full size unit for biovores. An enemy unit also can't target anything if its dead. The one thing biovores do have over exocrine though is line of sight.
@@jacksontrotter7608 you do make a fair point, but spore mines do not cost reinforcement points if added to your army via biovores, which have been seen in some competitive lists due to the fact that they do not need line of sight and can deny objectives with spore mines.
@@jacksontrotter7608yes, I think you are probably right, although I am sure that a much better player than me could figure out a way of utilising the spore mines, I certainly think it would be interesting to have a spore mine spam army.
I think that's more the Biovore being underrated than Spore Mines, if anything. You would never take Spore Mines if you weren't getting them for free if your intent was to win, and if you could opt to make Biovores generate the same point value in almost literally anything else, I feel Mines would just get zero use period.
Biovores have neat application, but, it's not like you're getting Mines for "free", their value is coming out of the Biovore, and buying a Biovore with the intent of missing to create free Mines, is just paying the Biovore's cost for Mines.
@@jacksontrotter7608 absolutely
I wish GW hadn't completely forgotten about Tyranids on the modelling side. There's literally been 129 Marine kits since Tyranids last got a model released. They were such a good 'big bad' enemy for the galaxy back in 3rd/4th/5th ed, but now they're just completely overshadowed by Necrons/Chaos etc
@Keith Marshall I dont feel like a single legion of Death Guard represent nearly as big of a threat to the galaxy as multiple giant hive fleets.
@@mpepp9 Well, both Chaos and Nids are basically endless.
Nobody knows how to get rid of their neverending reinforcements.
Chaos can't be killed of without killing every living being in the galaxy, and Nids, well, it seems what we have seen so far is only a scouting party. xD
So far the necrons seem to have the only viable solution: disintegrate all biomass/ life.
That would end with both Chaos and Nids failing... but who except necrons wants THAT.
I think we will see some new releases of tyranids this edition with GW’s focus on imperium vs xeno
@@Mr.0B imperium vs xenos there's only bein one xenos codex and one choas the rest imperium
There was a rumour engine of something that looked very tyranidy
Hello grueman. I dont play warhammer 40k or really know much about the lore, but I still enjoy watching yout videos and learning a small bit about this game and the community that plays it(it also helps that the designs are dope)
Tyranids have amazing models and theme, just need some love. Wish they'd make a "play as tyranid" game.
Same, rebought DoW franchise just for nids
@@alamb245 dawn of war 2 has that option and there is community that is still active its call dawn of war 2 retribution elite mod.
Battlesector is coming to pc this may and to consoles in summer that's blood angels vs nids
@@cpt.marmalade8895 no one wants to play as blood angels.
@@ShouVertica ayo speak for yourself
Don’t monsters get big guns never tired? And according to 9th shooting a heavy weapon, only infantry suffer penalties (unless the unit rules says otherwise), so monsters and vehicles should ignore move and shoot at -1 to hit.
looks like he's using just the 8th codex which means it's missing a few changes and point reductions to several of the units
I just love the fact you've put the Zerg theme from SC2 during the video mate
Thank you I've been waiting for this
Dude , from the beginning of this series i was waiting for these guys , thanks a lot Grue !!!
Blood angels next ?)
I gotta disagree on a few calls you made here. Swarmlord is easily 4 stars for the Hive Commander ability. The only thing Nids have going for them is their mobility, and this guy provides that in spades. Tyranid Prime is kinda trash, as its only use is buffing Warriors. Genestealers cost too much to be higher than 3 stars anymore. You're just straight up wrong about the Maleceptor. You don't take it for Psychic Overload, but for its Encephalic Diffusion strat. Reducing the Str of incoming fire is amazing, when you can knock Bolters down to 3 str. Suddenly, marines are wounding our chaff on 4s, and our bigger bugs on 5s and 6s. The Lictor is 5 stars, but not for the reasons you list. It's straight awful in melee, and struggles to even kill a single Primaris Marine. What you take it for is a 37 pt investment to guarantee scoring Deploy Scramblers. The pts you put in vs the VP you get out is an amazing deal. For Shrikes, I don't think they are long for this world. They only appear in the Index from 8th edition. Likely they're getting the Legends treatment. I think your math is off on the Trygon Prime. It's only 190 pts. According to the Munitorum Field Manual, you only need to pay the 30 points once, not for each set. Lastly, you omitted the Hierodules from Heavy Support, and the Dimacheron from Fast Attack, but that's probably just because they're Forge World. They're good.
The swarm lord is definitely 5 stars he dose so much for your army wtf
@@lunarproduction What does he do that another tyran can't do except for the second move ? Second move that don't allow the unit to shoot so, already useless for a lot of unit...
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 I'm not sure you understand how amazing a second move is. The only shooting units we have are not moving anyway, so they don't care. Exocrines and Hive Guard stay put at the back field. Our Genestealers, Dimacherons, Scythed Hierodules, and Swarmy himself however, have no guns and will tear shit up if/when they get into melee. Taking Kraken as your Hive Fleet lets you get not one, but two big beefy melee units into charge range on turn 1. This is extremely important, as the biggest weakness of our melee guys is getting shot off the board before they ever reach their targets. On top of that, Swarmlord is one of our only sources of S8 weapons. He's worth every point.
@@EpicFiddleGuy Unless one of those is a genestealer or broodlord, you will send only one big monster if you advance since you will be able to cast the spell that allow him to charge only once.
Then, what happen ? You have one big thing alone in the ennemy line. Yes, it might kill something (Might !) but then, it will get deleted. Same thing with the swarmlord. Once he's out of hiding, every gun will be on him since your strategy is pretty much based on him. Why based on him ? Why would you pay 270 points in one unit if not as a key element ?
Or worst : Your ennemy have put simple infantry in front of anything important. And 6 (+tails) attack won't even go through (Only genestealer might get a chance.).
I know that Double move can be powerful... But it can also be isealy counter... These days, our only good unit are those that can shoot or survive long enough to get points. Swarmlord is uselless in that climat or at least no more than a tyran. His point are better serve in warrior or gaunt.
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 It's not just stuck there. Tyranids have a strategem called Overrun. After you kill something with the Dimacheron, you can then move it yet again to get it behind cover. It's really easy to do, since it ignores terrain for movement.
I'm slowly getting into 40k, and wow do the Tyranids resonate with me. I've been interested in lore videos, but this is the first technical dive I've watched. Thank you for posting this!
Why were shrikes and sky-slashers the only forgeworld models that were included?
techniquely, the shrikes isn't a forgeworld unit. It was in the index and, now that we are in V9, i'm not even sure you can use them anymore.
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 youused to be able to get the wings from forgeworld I believe
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 Yes but the datasheet wasn't in the forgeworld index. (Which make it difficult to know who is the real parent here...)
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 you weren't even allowed to use them in second half of 8th ed
Whays ur take on the Dimachareon? I've been getting clappes by it and I think its amazing.
Curious about how long you've had this one recorded. Forgeworld models had a pile of huge rules changes like Sky Slashers getting their deep strike like Rippers, the Dimachaeron/Hierodules got moved to Fast Attack/Heavy Support respectively and massive stat reworks, and Shrikes are now gone to legends because they had no official model.
Dimachaeron has been fast attack for a while now. Also sad they got rip of the anti-infantry melee option
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 Dimachaerons got way better overall tho
“It just wouldn’t be 40K if you didn’t have a one in six chance to do absolutely nothing”
-Grueman, 2020
I just noticed the zerg theme in the background.
In the other hand, this seems to be another case of "3 stars codex", just like the orks.
wait i literally ahve starcraft in the background i thought it was just my game background sound but i closed starcraft after reading this and lol you are right omg.
starcraft was originally going to be a warhammer game
@@someguynamedsomething9612
That's a long debunked urban legend
INTRO:
Blast doesn't hurt us nearly as bad as coherency
voracious has and always will be a trap
Jorm is good, it trades a little infantry durability/offense/mobility for a lot of monster durability. You don't really use their stratagem or spell, just their trait to get 1+ save barbed hierodules and 2+ save monsters.
Pack Hunting is simply worse Bio Metallic Cysts for the vast majority of units, because most units don't get to use either trait unless they're hormagaunts, but BMC is unconditional, where PH has an easy to fulfill condition.
The Norn Crown is probably one of the worst relics in the game, and the maw claw isn't great in my opinion, Resonance Barb should always be taken.
HQ:
I agree that tervigons are 2 stars.
I disagree that Swarmy is worse than tyrants and that he is three stars. He is used in most comp lists nowadays, and his extra movement is essential. Especially if you play passively with the new forgeworld models, he'll live more often than not for WWSWF secondary points, and his melee capability surpasses a non-adapted tyrant anyway in melee. His movement is also better than a flyrant on flat terrain. He is simply valuable. I would give him 5 stars.
I agree that Tyrants are 2-3 stars.
I disagree that the Tyranid Prime is 4 stars, but that's because I think Warriors are a trap option. We don't need cheap HQ when our HQ is the best thing we have. I would give him 2-3 stars.
I agree that the Neurothrope is amazing, most likely one of the best units in our codex. I would give it 5 stars. That being said, the Horror is better than Onslaught in my opinion (not for the Neuro, but for other casters) due to not needing to gamble advances. In addition, Kronos Symbiostorm is our best spell, and it does well on a Barbed Neuro.
Broodlords are not 5 stars. Most Comp nid players think they are 1-2 stars. I think they are 3 stars due to recognizing the usefulness inherent in being able to absolutely kill a guy. His buff to stealers is near worthless due to their dropped value in 9th. Overall good, but we have too many good HQ units to warrant him.
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Malanthrope deserves 5 stars. Get Down Sir+6" of -1 to hit is simply amazing.
TROOPS:
I agree that Hormagaunts are 4 stars.
I disagree that Genestealers are 4 stars. I would rank them at 2 stars. Their offensive capability is not good for their points. They are not well costed. They are not survivable, they are only fast and are only fast when combined with Kraken and Swarmy support. Infestation nodes should almost never be used.
Tyranid Warriors, in my opinion, are a 3 star unit. They simply do not justify their cost. They are incredibly durable when adapted, but we already do that with termagants, and I just can't see the use.
Termagants are amazing and deserve their 5 stars.
ELITES:
I agree with the rating of the Haruspex and Deathleaper.
The Maleceptor deserves 3 stars. His -1 incoming strength stratagem is good, though his standard stats are passable.
The Tyranid Guard are 1 star, rather than 2. Their lack of speed combined with lack of strength, and the fact that it's equally efficient to get another hive tyrant if you just want to save tyrant wounds.
I agree with the ratings for the Red Terror, Pyrovores, Venomthropes, Hive Guard and Lictors (with the caveat that I think Lictors may be the best units in the game due to their ability to perform actions after deepstrike, and then charge gunlines denying overwatch and completely shut down bad melee guns (even if only for one turn, shutting down a custodes dread is useful)
Zoans however I disagree with. I am talking against the Tyranid grain however, most Tyranid players believe Zoans to be far better than I do. I would still place them at 4 stars, but find their offensive and defensive capabilities highly overrated.
FAST ATTACK:
I agree with Spores, Sky Slasher Swarms, Gargoyles and Raveners.
Shrikes should get 2 stars. No Prime Buff, no Defensive Stratagems, No Objsec, just worse warriors.
The Mawloc deserves 4 stars. He can break screens, letting him contest backline objectives and abandoned objectives, and grants all manner of mobility secondaries, as well as being 102 points to lock people down for a little bit, as they can't move through the large footprint.
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Dimachaeron deserves 5 stars. He is incredibly strong, killing anything he touches, with practically fly and super fast with swarmy buffs. He's also incredibly durable.
HEAVY SUPPORT:
I agree with Toxicrene and both Trygons.
I disagree with Biovores and believe they deserve 3 stars. Yes, killing things is more useful than pestering them, but if you can lock an entire army off an objective with some well placed mines, they're incredibly useful. They can also lock down big models via spore mine *wrapping*, completely annihilating any use melee LOW want.
Carnifexes deserve 2 stars. They simply lack offensive and defense.
The thornback, tyrannofex and Exocrine I agree with.
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The Barbed Hierodule deserves 5 stars. Most tanky unit we have, with really good shooting.
The Scythed Hierodule deserves 4 stars, his large footprint without fly basically makes him a Dima with worse mobility and better offense, which is helpful when dueling with big monsters, but most of the time, the Dima already kills whatever it touches, just take that instead.
DEDICATED TRANSPORT:
The Tyrannocyte deserves 1 star due to it's lack of use.
FLYERS:
I agree with both flyers.
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The Harridan deserves 3-4 stars. It simply has an incredibly good combination of stats.
TERRAIN:
Sporocysts deserve 3 stars. They, like biovores, can lock down so much area early and make it near impossible for your opponent to take certain objectives.
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Hierophant deserves 3 stars. Actually okay stats offensively and defensively. Fun unit too, at the expense of being expensive.
Overall I would give this video 2/5 stars for accuracy and 4/5 stars for editing. It was fun to watch, but stuck in the past. It seemed as though you only said things that were true in 8th and disregarded 9th.
I agree but I fee this was recorded before 9th
@@abel4lt523 He mentions 9th several times however
@@therattleinthebook397 yeah just rewatched it and he did wierd he usually is a lot more accurate on these
My dude, I may not know much about the Tyranids, but I definitely know that the swarmlord is 5 stars.
I'd love for you to do Daemons, since it would 'complete' the chaos group, and you didn't cover daemon units from the CSM codex when you did that book.
YESSSS. Been waiting for this. Nids are actually really good at playing objectives in 9th. I think their biggest problem comes down to literally everything outside of Lictors being overcosted for what it does.
I really like you dividing them up based on what slot they fill rather than if they’re 1 star, 2 star etc. Think it’s a very nice change.
This video means Christmas has come early! Hell yes!
Maleceptor 1 star? someone clearly hasn't used them much. They have a defensive profile on par with a hivetyrant, and the -1 S to incoming shots stratagem is one of the best stratagems in our codex, especially for nidzilla
*woah woah woah. Swarmy is a 4 star at least. Probs 5. He is more about utility than just shear damage.
*Do you consider Stratagems during these? A lot of the tyranids rely on those.
*Hive Guard really struggle against Dreadnoughts now, with their -1 to damage you only have a 33% chance to do more than 1dmg per shot.
Love the video though! 10year long Tyranid player, both narratively and competitively.
Even on the side of utility, swarmlord doesn't really shine. The double move don't allow the unit to shoot so you won't use it on a unit with a gun which reduce already a lot his usefulness. Then, depending what you fight against, you might throw the unit you double move to its death since it's likely that it will be alone. It might disturb your ennemy for a moment but not long... And, the worst part, there isn't much unit that you would want to throw that way to your ennemy... A lot of the mele unit are overcosted or just useless...
So, more often than not, the swarmlord is pointless because he only work with some unit in one playstyle...
The screamer killer doesn't "miss" with its scream. It hacks up a ball of plasma, the high pitch sound this action emits is why this carnifex variant was dubbed as the screamer. But it certainly can miss with the plasma phlegm ball. ;)
I like to think i helped in encouraging you to make this by asking, thanks man gonna send this to my new player friend
Worth keeping in mind on the Tyrannofex is that Stratagem which lets a Monster's shots deal +1 Wound. Use that on the 20-shot gun, fire it twice, and you can absolutely wipe an annoying squad of Scarabs or Rippers.
You may need to re-evaluate the Hormagaunts and Termagants. They require somewhere on the order of 350-400 attacks to kill a unit of 10 Intercessors. Conversely, most factions can clear them with ease. I get that they are cheap, but they are also have a VERY hard time surviving.
Biovores are amazing, the point of the unit isn’t getting hits and mortal wounds, it’s putting spore mines in corridors and move blocking big scary units like tanks or monsters.
aye,i use them to harass and bait and it works....most of the the, time and for pl2 you cant do much wrong with this guys
I have been waiting for this
interesting seeing your opinions on the bugs! really good video!!
Tyrannofex + Acidspray + Tyrannocyte = hell for the Enemy :D
You seem to have overlooked some stuff, some stratagems change a ton.
I'm totally new to warhammer and was immediately drawn to the Nids, thank you for this list, it's given me plenty of ideas to build my army around :-)
Remember that competitive play isn't what you'll always be doing. It's a good idea to start with models that you really like to get built up and give you inspiration :)
Trygon and trygon primes pay for all three sets of scything talons together (150 and 190 base respectively) and synapse doesn't matter for a trygon since it's gonna eat the nearest thing out of deep strike and the 20 genestealers it vomits into your opponents backline will go to town on soft, fleshy backline objective holders. Ergo I simp pretty hard for T-gons.
but they need jormungr to bring units though correct? Behemoth would be great for them since it ree rolls charges
@@amandafeliz599 actually they get to bring a unit for free into reserves when they burrow, BUT with Jormungandr they can bring two troops option with them!
@@PikemanxPete Oh I see! Thnx.
@@amandafeliz599 also as of the points drops for massive scything talons, trygons and t-primes are now 150 and 190 points total. +5 to those for obligatory adrenal glands, and you've got a pretty solid genestealer delivery device with a relatively yuge damage potential to boot.
As someone thinking of getting into warhammer... as they make new editions, do they just update what units do and add more? Like, can I slowly collect and paint the dudes I dig, knowing in the future when I am free to play the game / buy the rest of the army, the units I've collected over the year or two will still be playable?
Very well done, hope you have a chaos marine review.
Why are you saying Trygons are 210 pts when they're 150?
The mawloc deepstrike back in 5th was terrifying... oh how the mighty have fallen
paying for the sine of their past self... like the rest of the codex
Tyranids! Yay!! Nom, nom, nom....
The tyrannofex does have the Stinger salvo so it has some more shooty business
1:22 - Cast spells lol
Glad im not the only one who keeps saying it
As mentioned before, why Shrikes and Sky-Slashers, but not the other Forge-World options? There's still the Stonecrusher Carnifex, Dimachaeron, and Malanthrope. The Scything and Barbed Hierodules got shifted from Lord of War to Heavy Support, which as a fan of Land Raiders, I'd put the Barbed Hierodule at 3-4 Stars for it's solid stats, excellent save, solid guns and not having the movement restrictions the Exocrine has in order to maximize its shooting. Then there's the Lord of War units the Harridan aka Tyranid Dragon, and the massive Hierophant.
@grueman Are you going to redo this video?
“I’m about to say something so controversial yet so brave”
Grueman is the best 40K channel
So blood and yet might possible be so right.
Really the only complaint I have with this vid is the trygon prime. I feel it should be at least a 3 star, considering Leviathan's fnp while in synapse. Spreading out the synapse further gives that army a stronger survivability in spades, necessary against big guns. Otherwise, you vid is wild, nice one homie.
Tyranids being an anti-meta army would actually make sense lore-wise.
On the trygon's they don't actually cost as much as you thought. It's a weird case where it's listed as 3 monstrous scything talons but you only actually have to pay for one. Trygon Prime comes to 190 on battlescribe!
Could be battlescribe that's wrong mind you, but since you don't get any benefit at all of a 3rd pair of talons i'd say it's correct.
i think it's listed as two pairs or more in the codex.
Sporocyst is one of the best distraction units in the codex. Made to die but will keep other things alive
that Warcraft 3 soundtrack requires additional credit
I think you should do a video including the forge world units, with the heirdule's massive points reduction and updated flamer profile I think it has a place in alot of competitive lists.
Pro: can drop spore mine
Spore mine: not great, how is that a pro? XD
Tho i have to say this was amazing to see all the cool creatures, even if there not good to play
Great Video as Allways. Are you going to do DARK eldar?
What about tyranid forgeworld?
You beautiful bastard! Thank you
This video should be labeled "Your Opinion..." Because we have been seeing a lot of different things from the pro scene atm that counteract your ratings and reasonings.
Love this content! Could you make an update for the tau? I think that they got hit kinda hard in 9th
Eldar tier list??
Brilliant vid, thanks 👍
Hhh i really want to start a tyranid army but goddamn do I not have nearly enough money for it
Don’t do it until they get a codex. I’m done with them for now. So frustrating to play.
Nice. Thanks for the great video
GRUEMAN YOU STUD
@Grueman this list needs to be updated.
4:40 Refilling termagant units with fleshborers does NOT cost points. Spawning NEW units that did not previously exist DOES.
I agree with everything except for one minor thing. You wrote as a con the hive tryant can't buff units but it's a pskyer and they're a lot of buff spells in there it can use
I think he meant more as an unic aura or something. Psychick buff can de done by other unit for far less point.
i'm sorry, but how much (if any) research did you do for this video?
i know a few things changed in the months this video has been out, but there are so many inconsistencies and subjective opinions without actual objective truths to them
judging from your channel, and how you just glance at every faction, i doubt you really had a chance to do much research, but i really hope you revisit this video some time in the future
as others mentioned, there are lots of other forgeworld models that you just seemed to forget as well
can someone tell me where you find the traits u get 2 of (2.38) and how u get them.
Adaptive Physiologies are things you can take instead of a warlord trait, which came with the Blood of Baal expansion. You get 1 for free and can spend 1CP for another one (you pretty much always want to do this). If you don't have the Blood of Baal books, reddit has all the adaptive physiologies listed.
SC Zerg music ftw. Droll, very droll. Well played.
As a warning to beginner Tyranid players, there are several flaws with this list. I had to laugh that a Tyranid Prime, which is 1-star hot garbage got rated higher than the Swarmlord, which is arguably the best unit in the book (anyone who disagrees doesn't understand how unique his ability is and how important movement is in 40k).
Just off the top of my head from watching:
The above points about Swarmlord/Tyranid Prime
He is completely missing the point on Lictors, Biovores, and Maleceptors. Lictors are great yes, 4 or 5 stars, but they WILL NOT kill anything the entire game. Complete garbage in combat. They are great however, because they are cheap 1-man, non-character infantry units that deepstrike. This unique profile is great for accomplishing secondaries such as Deploy Scramblers. Maleceptors aren't fantastic, but their use is protecting your units and being reliable casters. And as far as Biovores, you actually want to miss with the spore mines and block your opponent's movement.
I'm not sure where he's getting 250ish points for Trygon Primes or over 200 for Trygons. They're not great units, but definitely not that expensive.
Lastly, I think any infantry have top be at least 3 stars for being able to complete secondaries. Tyrant Guard can at least do secondaries or hold objectives while protecting a tyrant. Gaunts are certainly not 5 stars, you just need to have them if you plan to have any sort of board presence.
For an excellent tier review, watch the one by Tactical Tortoise, at least if you're into competitive Tyranids.
Awww planning to get the Maleceptor and since you rated one star at 15:36 makes me kinda about it. 😢
Get the Maleceptor anyway. This video is largely inaccurate about many of the units. The Maleceptor is easily 3 Stars, maybe 4.
@@EpicFiddleGuy yeah gonna get it anyway 🤪 I actually made a self-analogy video about the Maleceptor so gonna have it like a personal inspiration.
Where is harridan, hierodule, and hierophant
that StarCraft music in the background
For gaunt carpet you cant beat adaptive exoskeleton and the re roll your advance roll trait
yessssssss, its finally my nid bois!!!!!! :D
You should redo the chaos space marine in 9th edition
Gw need to lower the points of all horde units to balance the blast rule. You can't punish a few armies like that.
points costs are not up to date.
Tyranids biggest boost came from FW... Dimachaeron + Swarmlord and barbed hierodules are INSANE now... you prob should update this video. The FW release came before this video so was shocked when you didn't go into details here on FW
The one thing I really disagree with is Spore Mines being so poorly rated. They don't do much damage and they are fragile, yes. But the key thing is that they can move block better than even nurglings thanks to points. And if your opponent is shooting them then they arent shooting your army. And as part of their move blocking, you could deny the opponent valuable mission points from the start cause they can't get out of the deployment zone and you only spent like 100 points. Not an every game thing but can be a very powerful option for 9th missions
I would love to see a dark eldar video!
Why? Their codex is due soon so just wait a month after that for it to be accurate/relevant
Completely missed the maleceptor stratagem
im sorry but mines and biovores should defiantly be more considered
I like to concentrate them against whatever I'm smiting with my thropes to spam mortal wounds. Most other streams place them higher in the ratings.
@@jjaarr3208 this man gets it ^^^
IT IS THE BANEBLADE
Your Trygon and Trygon Prime point values are off. The Trygon is "only" 150pts and the Trygon Prime is "only" 190pts. I don't know how you got 210 for the Trygon, because "2 or more pairs" of Massive Scything Talons cost 30pts flat, and the Toxinspike, Prehensile Pincer Tail, and Biostatic Rattle all cost 0. That means the Trygon is "only" 120+30 and the Prime is "only" 160+30. I think that bumps them to 3 Stars personally, but I can recognize that they're not very good.
Nice zerg music in the background
You forgot the Hierophant
tyranids biotitans?
So you included some of the crap forge world models but not the really good ones that have but tyranids on the map recently?
Guess hive titan and that flying dragon thing doesnt count :o
The Hierophant, Harridian, Scythed + Barbed Hierodules and Dimachareon were not included into this list as they're forgerworld models
Eldar Tier List Next pls.
"Buy tyranid Batleforce" Wata hell
I miss when Tyranids were orange, purple and pink by default. :(
Genestealers being all white just looks wrong.
As a hive mind player I think you are right about a bunch of stuff on this list but wrong BIG TIME, on some key others. Tyranid are not a durable or damage dealing army. Our best units buffed as high as they can go arnt even better then stock blue boys, so don't play the game on their terms. Tyranids win and lose games in the movement phase. So that being said, anything that impacts that phase is our key to victory. The big misses here are swarm lord and anything dealing with spore mines. Swarmmy is 5 stars everyday, yeah he's swingy in combat (I have still 1v1ed girlyman and won) but the hive command is so powerful its not funny. Does the enemy hold an objective? Nope cuz 30 terms with ob sec just double moved onto it. They don't need to shoot they just need to throw a dance party on that point. Also anything that hinders your enemy's move only accentuate ours, so here is where mines come in. Biovores have straight up won me games. Is a flamer tank moving up a flank? Did terminators just drop on a corner? Is a smash captain about to make a charge into your horde? No, no they are not. Cuz for your opponent, shooting comes after movement, and if they can't move because there is a FREE unit standing in there way, bully for us. There is not a list that I play without three bios in the back line. In 8th I would move them so they are - 1to hit, just to drop spores down. The mortals are just gravy. Then if you do something crazy like bring 3 sporcysts 9 biovores and a harpy, all of a sudden you are putting 210 points of free move blocking, mortal dealing, extra targets that your opponent has to deal with FREE EVERY TURN all for under a grand in points. Then fill out the rest with swarmy and gaunts maybe with army wide 6+ fnp and you have a stupid to kill army that will dominate the movement phase. That's my two cents at least.
P.s. Carnifexs other then stock and standard with upgrades are laughable at 3 stars. Just no. 1 star maybe.
I personally I like Hydra which got hit in 9th hard
Murder bugs!
You know I like hearing from different people and some people have different opinions about some of the units. The biggest ones is I have heard is basically they had the tryiand prime warrior hq, as a 3 and the tyrant swarmlord as a 4. But I think that it's because they don't like warriors.
@@sarico7827 Maybe because they don't warrior, yes. The tyranid prime is a must have if you have warrior in your list but can be replace by a neurothrope if you don't (unless you really need those point somewhere else.)
For me, the swarmlord is good at three stars but could go lower since he only work if you put a unit that can profit from the double move... Which, for a commander of the hive-fleet, is kind of sad...
Trygons are only 150 pts and Trygon Prime 190 pts
love nids and anything that talks about nids.
This list is obviously way too focused on "lethality = viability." This is pretty classic with channels that try to have an opinion on everything without having the time and experience on the competitive table to have truly informed opinions.
Poorly assessed units include: Broodlord, Gene stealers, Swarmlord, Biovores, Mawloc.
Also there are lots of units that nobody plays that everyone has an opinion on, but the fact of the matter is that 40k is a deep game with tons of variables and requires a lot of time with a particular unit to truly realize it's usefulness.
That's it... again, love all tyranid content and the game of 40k. But this is just opinions based on datasheets and the 40k reddit feed.
I'd like to add, how many people have actually used a sporocyst lol.
a tyr list
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Why don't anyone like Gorgon with their wound re-roll and massive 9" psychic aura of additional AP? Is it because noone plays close-combat bugs, which I like so much?
Problem the close combat is that you need to get there before the ennemy shoot you to death. Because of that and the fragility of the tyranid army, hive fleet that would boost your defences or your speed are better for close combat unit than gorgon.
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 I feel like at 1k pts things go a bit different. So as a beginner I'm playing on a smaller 44"x30" map and really rate things like haruspex (with enormous sized maw), swarm lord and genestealers, who could often run straight into opponent's deployment zone turn one. I don't yet know how it feels to play on a normal size board but according to that video I'll have to change my priorities quite radical when I'll get my army up to 2k pts
@@МаторанКод On bigger board, it's not rare that melee unit need two turns at normal speed to reach their opponent (if not more). Which would mean that the unit will often die or be very low in wounds or number when reaching ennemy line and, in some case, do absolutely nothing...
The reason than Kraken was used in that format is that you could take genestealers (who can advance and charge), make them advance (with 3d6, you often get a 5 or 6), duble that advance (so +10 or +12 move) with a stratageme specific to Kraken and use the swarmlord to make them move again. Which would put those genestealer right in front front of the ennemy T1.
If you have the time, i would recommend to look at some battle report from miniwargame studio, tabletop tactic or other channel to see the kind of thing that happen on bigger board.
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 I'm watching most of batreps from big channels, but the problem is that you rarely see units like haruspex in such videos. I saw haruspex once and it was a game with long-edge deployment. He performed extremely well, imo, biting dreadnoughts of the opponent hard, but I think it was not the right usage of that beast. Most people on big channels not trying to show anything new or interesting. So the only chance to understand what unit can do is to try playing him by yourself.
Winters and his Kraken used to have huge blobs of termagants to hold objectives in 8th. And I felt like it's not a good idea as their shooting was pretty much not used and huge blobs of bugs were difficult to hide, so I feel quite skeptic about termagants now. I think you better take several smaller units and try to hide them near the objective rather then take a lot of them and let your opponent to kill them all with small-arms fire.
@@МаторанКод The problem with haruspex is that it's a slow tank (7 movement...) who is supposed to be a monster in mele (and he can be) but, for some strange reason doesn't hit better than a gaunt... (by that, i mean he hit on a 4+ and 5+ when wounded) and that his potential number of attack can be random. and there is the fact that is strength go down with his wounds... More the time pass, the less he become effective.
Next to that, you have the trygon who, for 20 point less give you : hitting on 3+, 6 attack +1 tail attack, Mouvement of 9, ability to arrive at 9' of your ennemy, can get a +1 to his charge, can bring another unit with him,...
For the same job, you have two unit where one is clearly superior to the other (which sadly goes for A LOT of unit of the tyranid codex...) ... It make you ask why you would take the haruspex if not for his "cool-factor".
For the gaunt : It's sad to say but you shouldn't take them for their ability to kill but because of their numbers. 9th edition is a game of objectif so, the longer you stay on one, the more point you get.
They hit on 4+, have endu 3 and save 6+ and shoot with a worst version of a bolter. Except against guard equivalent, they won't kill anything or only by chance. Because of that, their best use is to put a group of 30 on objectif and hope that your ennemy doesn't have what is necessary to clean them...
I play against SM and Necron these days and the only real use that my gaunt had in those game are "blocking objectif" and "protect character". You can use them to also try to block infantery unit in mele but it will depend of what you fight.
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