Want to use my outboard gear? - STL Tones Control Hub
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Hey guys. This is a sponsored video.
If I didn’t make it clear in the video I apologize. Since posting, it has had a paid promotion disclaimer. I labeled it with hashtag”ad” as well as a disclaimer in the description.
I’ll make this more clear in future videos.
You do actually say it's sponsored at the end of the video. But maybe some people don't watch an entire video before commenting -_-
Pretttttty sure you made it very clear this was sponsored, and even mentioned having a long term relationship with them at the end. People suck
I'm not saying I'm better or your better necessarly than the engineers who put these chains together
Now....I shot this out against using
Nebula and Acustica Audio (Live Analog Sampled Plugins from "Industry Standard High End Analog Gear Units in High End Large Mastering Studios)
Such as GML EQs, API, Sontac, Tube Tech, Sta, SSL ect.......
Mixing with them Bus by Bus
Then Using "this" control Hub bus by Bus...then running the Nebula through my analog gear for Summing, Analog glue and Analog Harmonic Distortion and just using Control Hub on the other Mix
Results....
The Nebula/Acustica/Analog Mix...Blew this away....
This is good "Learning Tool for a Demo Mix"
But....nothing can replace Professional High End Units to get a "Professional Master"
The analog is always going to sound
More
Open, Weigher, Wider, Harmonically Seperated for buses, but more Glued and with the mix the vocals are always going to sit better in the Middle of the Mix but more upfront and Lush....you can only do this in Analog....Control Hub sounded Smeary and Flat........
Hey man, I really appreciate you making this video! The possibilities are endless with this technology, STL tones is really pioneering a new age of audio production and Engineering with this. One suggestion I might make, with the lack of disclaimer in the actual video, you may want to put it in the title that this is sponsored by STL tones or possibly edit the thumbnail so it's more upfront. Looking forward to more content from you!
Yes. I agree. That was my fault. In my head I said it. I got to into showing and playing. I never use a script. And this is the drawback.
@@RecordingStudioLoser it's all good man. I'm very much the same way
Somewhat unrelated, but I notice you still have that Audioscape bus comp in your rack. I’m curious if you still plan to make a video on that, or if not, what you think of it. It’s a unit that I’m super curious about and wonder if it’s worth picking up. Would love your thoughts!
Yes I need to. It worked its way into my master chain to the point I don’t think about it. It’s just doing its thing.
I love it.
I’ll say this in the video too. But I notice the differences in the sides when weighed against the many plug-ins.
Fascinating, we’re capturing different converter-hardware combinations as well right? Theoretically speaking, you can capture a bunch of pres to multiply across your session yeah?
I hadn’t thought about that’s a fascinating experiment. It would be interesting to capture a ton of pres and use the discrepancies in each to replicate your own setup in a session.
Yeah like your own version of heat in the daw right? Exciting! @@RecordingStudioLoser
@@RecordingStudioLoser I believe you can. castle recording studios did so with their packs, I don't see why you can't do the same.
Nebula has been doing this (albeit more elegantly) for many years
This is very cool. It would be great if you shared your other profiles☺
It actually adding value for owning outboard by removing channels count limit. Great software
Also for those wanting to check out other pieces.
Thank you for everything 🙏🏼
This is so cool. Made me start thinking what old gear i have in the Chicken Coop. If it ever cools down i might got digin..
So question: how does adjusting the parameters in the plug-in sound compared to adjusting them on the hardware?
So far in my experience, it’s a lot like the kemper. It takes a snapshot of everything where it’s at. And then you have parameters to push it around in certain directions.
Kemper have liquid profiling now which I am sure will make it's way into other tracer software.@@RecordingStudioLoser
Hmmm, seems doubtful. Perhaps useful in a pinch for some color, but not a replacement for an entire unit?
I'll contend that any half-decent engineer ~will~ reach for a comp based on it's timing and attack & release curves - basically, how it _moves_ - not just saturation character or 'vibe' when driven at a set (mind you, a _static)_ input gain. A lot of mixes don't need further saturating, either - especially in jazz, folk, orchestral and live recordings in any genre.
I'm not against being proven wrong, by any means. Just being skeptical of the frontiers claimed here.
Saying something to the effect of "i don't care how the compressor acts on dynamics, just how it saturates" sounds kinda like shill-sauce, because the alternative is just a poor understanding of what the basic tool is for. Not saying YOU "are", just that it comes across that way in this one video. You are obviously already equipped enough to make or have made significant progress.
Peace, and cheers!
I get it. And you should be skeptical from any sponsored video.
In the flow of conversation I suppose I come off too nonchalant about it. I care about how it grabs. But in MOST cases I’m more thinking of the sonics of the comp and what that will do the source rather than how I want to compress it numbers wise. If that makes more sense.
And yeah I agree some mixes need to be clean. Non of these are hard and fast rules.
If anything I hate the argument that hardware is a barrier to entry. That’s why I liked this. It seems to me like it levels the playing field. Could be wrong. But that was my take seeing this in practice
This is like an IR for hardware?
Like a very detailed IR, kinda how I think about it,,, I’m sure devs are rolling their eyes… the sampling process takes a few minutes.
I want it!
That said, as Colt Capperrune says, eventually it becomes obsolete, or computers crash…
Hardware just works.
Over time it’s collectible.
Regardless, very cool software!
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I agree with that. I have the same feeling with my Kemper like I talk about in the video. Its great. It does a job for me that I either cant use my amps for Or dont want to for any number of reasons. That said it will eventually fall behind... if not already by some perspectives. Still a useful tool
@@RecordingStudioLosercompared to other modeling and profiling competitors, the liquid profiling update for Kemper really shows the versatility of the Kemper Hardware, I think it's going to be a while before they actually make an updated version of the Kemper because of how they're able to consistently update and improve the unit without having to pay for any physical adjustments. I think that's what's going to separate the different hardware and software companies going forward
Colt Capperune also bought into Atmos.
The sentence; “if you updated the plugin to the latest version” says it all for me.
I only use plugins for stuff that’s really a necessity but I can’t afford, like a LA2A or a 1176. For everything else I use hardware which I buy cheap 2nd hands because everybody is selling for going in the box. I can slowly upgrade my hardware for better units and sell what I don’t use anymore mostly for the same price I purchased it. I can’t sell plugins.
Also because I have limited options with hardware I have to make decisions and find creative solutions. Less is more right? And it makes me mix faster. I don’t want to sound like another mix engineer, I want my own unique style and approach. If people don’t like my stuff there are other engineer’s they can go to, but to be fair, mixing is not my main income so I can be independent and choose to reject a project.
I'm not saying I'm better or your better necessarly than the engineers who put these chains together
Now....I shot this out against using
Nebula and Acustica Audio (Live Analog Sampled Plugins from "Industry Standard High End Analog Gear Units in High End Large Mastering Studios)
Such as GML EQs, API, Sontac, Tube Tech, Sta, SSL ect.......
Mixing with them Bus by Bus
Then Using "this" control Hub bus by Bus...then running the Nebula through my analog gear for Summing, Analog glue and Analog Harmonic Distortion and just using Control Hub on the other Mix
Results....
The Nebula/Acustica/Analog Mix...Blew this away....
This is good "Learning Tool for a Demo Mix"
But....nothing can replace Professional High End Units to get a "Professional Master"
The analog is always going to sound
More
Open, Weigher, Wider, Harmonically Seperated for buses, but more Glued and with the mix the vocals are always going to sit better in the Middle of the Mix but more upfront and Lush....you can only do this in Analog....Control Hub sounded Smeary and Flat........
Fair dude. I’ll admit too I’m not aware of every plug out there.. a few people have mentioned nebula. I hadn’t used it but now I’m super curious.
And to be clear, I am not proposing that this replaces my mastering bus I see it as a valuable tool, but it’s not like I’m selling my outboard Gear here.
I have used a fair amount of Acustica but do get better results using the control hub.
Nope. Because. Nonlinearities.
Precisely
First.
Ive never been the first to comment on any any youtube video so i just Had to...i HAD to lol great vid Jeremy always learning from your videos!
Legend
It dosent model the saturation… or I would be all over it 🤣
Interesting...Thanks, Loser! 😍
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99.9 percent sure there is no transformer in the Fatso. I can disassemble to show
I haven’t cracked mine open. But this is from Gregory Scott saying there are. Either way, i’m not sure how to refer to these. The button is a transformer option whether that’s emulation or real I would still assume the nomenclature would be to refer to it as “transformer”.
gearspace.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/814362-fatso-transformers.html
@@RecordingStudioLoserI think the emulation part of the Fatso is the ability to have the transformers emulate the transformer characteristics of other vintage units like Neve or API. But I could be wrong.
Dude.. listen to scientist dub reggae then compare what is "phat" lol
Haven't plugins replaced outboard gear years ago? The only real reasons why many top mixers still use analog gear are workflow, nostalgia and prestige.
I will say the Hardware VS software thing I think is stupid... And plugins do a killer job. If I find a plugin that does the same thing as hardware that I can still use creatively then theres no need for me to keep the hardware.
I agree with you that some see prestige with it. BTW, I hope I dont push that narrative. Which is why I think a plug like this is cool. Its not a seperate plugin... its added functionality to their current plugin that Bridges that gap and the hurdles, at least sonically, (wheter you buy into that or not) are broken down.
is it only subscription? coz thats a no from me
No $199 to own it.
This is freaking nuts omg! RIP major studios that rely on color boxes (most of them).
I do miss knobs though. Everything in the box is less intuitive for me and more clinical.
Sponsored video?
Yes. My apologies if it’s not clear enough. There’s a paid promotion disclaimer at the beginning. There’s #Ad. I mention having worked with them in the past, and in this current video. It’s in the description.
Not trying to sneak anything past ya
@@RecordingStudioLoserreally appreciate the attitude you bring although would you be able to make it a bit clearer going forward, I trust your judgement and that you will only promote things that you actually enjoy but just for the sake of someone coming in and thinking “do I NEED this?”
Thats fair.
@@RecordingStudioLoser Thanks for the reply - Appreciate it!
@@RecordingStudioLoser but apart from mentioning it on the video (right at the end), all the other things including flagging it as a "Paid Promotion" were only done when people complained. This reads like you had done everything by the book and @eranddroory9987 is being overly critical.
No one should have to ask if your videos are sponsored in the comments. You have 40k subs! you shouldn't still be "learning" how to do sponsored content inline with FTC.
Poor move this, absolutely not liking this direction. STL Tones is not great, seems to be a white label of other devs and it's not clear from the get go that it's sponsored by them. I'm out buddy. Sorry.
My apologies. I’m not no trying to hide that fact.
I’m learning as I go how to best do this but you are right. I should have made it more clear. In my head saying I worked with them in the past was enough. Along with the paid promotion disclaimer, the #ad on the video and the description.
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of the clickbait title and I don't think much of STL plugins at all and I trialled a few. I think a more humble an less hyped promotion would be more appropriate. There are not many people talking about STL when it comes to plugins and it's for a good reason. I was a bit surprised you released this Jeremy, but I do understand and don't blame you for wanting to expand your channel.
Guys!! You can’t blame someone for wanting to expand their youtube channel to more people…
Clickbaity thumbnail and catch phrases are the only ways to play the youtube game and you all would do it too.
You don’t have to buy the plugin if you don’t like it!! It’s not like he’s forcing you to buy it.
@@elkolo2857 Who's talking to you? Wind your neck in. If you don't like what people say to other people, don't read it.
Click bait. Answer is No
This is crazy cool!