Even if this content doesn’t perform as well as hoped for, I hope the LCS doesn’t stop producing it because it really is neat to hear the thoughts of players like this outside of short postgame interviews
everyone is rightly talking about how great yeon is with his trolling but also gotta give credit to eyla for maintaining his composure. everyone can't be the trash talker and he was fighting for his life out there. meanwhile armao just casually letting the kids have it out.
This is definitely some of my favorite content made for the LCS. Giving the pro players a chance to show their personalities and speak their thoughts helps a ton with their branding and fan base buildimg
0:50 Do you guys know the current lcs standings 6:30 Which one of your teams would be the most flamed if your scrim results were public 9:00 How different is it to not have the stage games 9:36 How to convince mark to have more games bo3s 17:05 What happens between scrims and stage (to Armao) 18:35 What do you think has to change on stage to make playoffs 25:14 14.4 is Rek’sai back? 27:48 is there anything you are looking out for on this patch? 29:02 On TLA and challenger names 30:27 What was the most difficult thing in making the transition between academy and pro? 38:38 What are the most common disagreements on the team/during review 41:40 What do you think the biggest thing analysts or the community get wrong about league?
Best of 2s could run on point system similar to how it goes in soccer: 3 points for 2-0 win, 1 point for 1-1 tie, 0 points for 0-2 loss. Team with the most points gets 1st seed and so on
its funny cause thats how the old OGN sytem work for LCK and also the other Asian leagues have done in the past before Riot's hard Franchising was put in place in 2016. but then, even with that ALL of those leagues changed to a Bo3 system, yet EU/NA stayed as Bo1 regions..so weird
@@Michaelthacrow NALCS tried to do BO3 for NA in like 2016 (EU had BO2 at the time) and it totally fractured the streaming ecosystem. They had to expand the LCS an extra day, and had to split the stream into 2 separate streams (anyone else remember watching NALCS1 and NALCS2??), and 'caused so much chaos. It was wild.
right i remember, i was there for that. it was just done so poorly and riot didnt know why they even did it in that way. Burned them so bad in terms of looking at the numbers and metrics that they are so scared to return to it. I really think all Regions around the world should be held to the same format style for clarity and uniformity sake. and Bo2 just makes that possible in a decent manner. @@letgomylegho7406
Can i just say please keep up the Livingroom vibe for this, it might just be me but i feel it works really well for these kinds of setup over the regular studio vibes.
@elliotanderson3760 yeah, i missed "him" after "treated". As in, the community has been harsh to him as a NA native rookie who made it to worlds in his first professional year
@@elliotanderson3760 I'm on twitter sometimes and Yeon does get flamed a lot. You would be surprised how much he gets flamed. If you ask me who gets flamed in TL by a lot it's either Yeon / Corejj (TL's bot lane) or APA.
@@LargeMcBottoms This is true but Yeon wasn't the only one who gets flamed in TL. It has been Yeon and Core all the time and when APA joined the team he gets flamed too.
Eyla is smiling on the outside FUMING on the inside while Yeon is stirring the pot and Armao watches LMAO this I can't imagine how they played together in TLA hahah This is like a little brother bothering the middle bro with the big bro laughing
I like the way they have invested in making us attached to these players. I hope they do a team narrative next. Like C9, the Fallen Kings, Immortals being the underdog team challenging the ladder up. Something similar
Pros is the best LCS content. The criticism for years has been that the younger players dont have character and the story is always about the old guys. This is the perfect platform for younger guys to flesh out public characters.
Emily is such a good host. Analytical mind but also conscious of the other speakers. Great combination of players to speak together as well, love the content!
I keep seeing a lot of folks who act like the players in LCS don't have personalities, and I wonder if they even watch these guys. Yeon egging on his former teammates was really fun to watch, whether you love him or hate him.
I think 1-1 in a Bo2 works as a fan as long as the narrative of the series is the outcome of the standings and not the actual draw. If the standings are constantly being pushed with brackets and visuals it’s still interesting because the movement in the standings is the satisfaction of the draw. If both teams are drawn in standings then ya I mean that’s pretty boring lmao.
Regular season BO2's with 1-1 outcomes not being satisfying should actually be a possitive as its regular season and builds hype for the actual Playoffs rounds which are conclusive as it should wrapping up a split.
Best of twos would be dope, it would make up for the lose of two teams in the league, players get more games, viewers get more games to watch, teams can pull out more drafts. Make both teams do a coin flip to see who picks blue side/red side first.
Is it possible to go to a best of 3 format with the drop out of other organizations? it seems like there would be space for a best of 3 format with the decline in teams?
I found the recent episode to be quite engaging. However, I have noticed some inconsistency with the audio levels of each participant in the last few episodes. It would be greatly appreciated if this issue could be addressed and possibly resolved. Thank you.
The thing about the bo2 that some people don't realize is that it can happen in the regular season Bo1 regardless. Like win the first round robin lose the second. So it really doesn't matter
People who argue against best of 2’s are idiots. Regular season doesn’t matter. going 1-1 builds hype for playoffs where games actually matter. Any to build a narrative and hype for the league would be great. Especially if we’re supposed to be testing live patch in pro. Let’s see more of the live patch, not less.
Would it be viable to play a double round robin Bo3, where half the matches are played on stage on the weekend, and the rest are played from home during the week? So the from-home matches have about the same level of production as LPL/LCK English, with no studio, which I imagine lowers the production cost substantially.
@@proteuswest1084 Yes - but there would still be just as much higher-quality in-studio broadcast as now, so people who only want to watch that could skip the weekday games and would get the same product that they get now. I wouldn't be surprised if fewer than half as many people watched the weekday matches, but a sizable group of fans would love having the extra matches, and it sounds like nearly all of the players themselves would prefer it.
BO3’s wouldn’t work with the LCS budget. Just can’t. I mean the DK vs DRX BO3 they just played in LCK was over 7 hours because of pauses. An entire day of LCS. The LCS is already cutting budget so they’re not gonna have a 7 hour day just for 1 series. And you can’t plan for pauses so you can’t just be like well they’ll adjust. No, they’ll have to keep the show going and open the studio for more days if shit like that happens. I don’t see it being economically feasible.
i mean given L9's performance im sure they have declined being on the show my guy. They've been super ass and likely will wait until they feel they are playing better to focus on any type of media
They're still doing a lot of external interviews, and internal media stuff - even doing aram streams during the break. I don't think this is a massively intense segment or anything. I suspect the main reason is that, last year, they had the C9 team on the desk *a lot*, and are trying to shake the allegations of bias. @@ItsxCreationZ
What is emily talking about knocking the whole team up with reksai theyd have to be standing on each other. it was never a radius knock up. it was always very small. Even yeon tried to correct but armano doubled down on her mistake lol
I hate the comments saying bo3 could never happen. It would be a stretch, but if riot wants the lcs to become better and become more popular I see it as a necessity.
16 games is so little, Bo2 doubles stage games. If we can’t do Bo3, Bo2 is still so much better than Bo1. 1-1 Ties are fine. Soccer is full of ties and it’s the most popular sport in the world.
Is there really any difference between going 1-1 in a bo2 and going 1-1 in bo1s? Also, audio levels are a bit inconsistent at times for my autistic ears.
That trash talk to someone's face is hilarious to me. This kinda trolling is why I dislike the whole "Be Professional, don't talk smack" group of eSports fans.
No one watched Bo3, Champions Queue is dead, teams play more scrims than stage game, and money is required for more broadcast time. Playoffs have Bo3. Bo1 or Bo3 is not why NA is not competitive against international competitions.
Hard agree. Feels pretty bad waiting all week to see your team get gapped for 30 minutes then not have a chance to adapt or show anything more. Especially when we more volatile with live patch.
"Why should we watch your matches this weekend?"
Yeon: "The subreddit is so fucking stupid." 10/10
Even if this content doesn’t perform as well as hoped for, I hope the LCS doesn’t stop producing it because it really is neat to hear the thoughts of players like this outside of short postgame interviews
everyone is rightly talking about how great yeon is with his trolling but also gotta give credit to eyla for maintaining his composure. everyone can't be the trash talker and he was fighting for his life out there. meanwhile armao just casually letting the kids have it out.
This is definitely some of my favorite content made for the LCS. Giving the pro players a chance to show their personalities and speak their thoughts helps a ton with their branding and fan base buildimg
Pros has been amazing. I love how they actually argue with each other on things. Theyre talking as much as Zven and Bwipo 😂
Imagine a co stream of Zven and Bwipo
NA survives because of Eu and Eu viewers and Eu raids; therefore Eu needs to have no import slots or western players 😃
Zven hosting this show would be epic.
0:50 Do you guys know the current lcs standings
6:30 Which one of your teams would be the most flamed if your scrim results were public
9:00 How different is it to not have the stage games
9:36 How to convince mark to have more games bo3s
17:05 What happens between scrims and stage (to Armao)
18:35 What do you think has to change on stage to make playoffs
25:14 14.4 is Rek’sai back?
27:48 is there anything you are looking out for on this patch?
29:02 On TLA and challenger names
30:27 What was the most difficult thing in making the transition between academy and pro?
38:38 What are the most common disagreements on the team/during review
41:40 What do you think the biggest thing analysts or the community get wrong about league?
Goat
Best of 2s could run on point system similar to how it goes in soccer: 3 points for 2-0 win, 1 point for 1-1 tie, 0 points for 0-2 loss. Team with the most points gets 1st seed and so on
It should be 3 points for a win with side selection and 1 for a tie.
its funny cause thats how the old OGN sytem work for LCK and also the other Asian leagues have done in the past before Riot's hard Franchising was put in place in 2016. but then, even with that ALL of those leagues changed to a Bo3 system, yet EU/NA stayed as Bo1 regions..so weird
@@Michaelthacrow NALCS tried to do BO3 for NA in like 2016 (EU had BO2 at the time) and it totally fractured the streaming ecosystem. They had to expand the LCS an extra day, and had to split the stream into 2 separate streams (anyone else remember watching NALCS1 and NALCS2??), and 'caused so much chaos. It was wild.
right i remember, i was there for that. it was just done so poorly and riot didnt know why they even did it in that way. Burned them so bad in terms of looking at the numbers and metrics that they are so scared to return to it.
I really think all Regions around the world should be held to the same format style for clarity and uniformity sake. and Bo2 just makes that possible in a decent manner. @@letgomylegho7406
I really like that idea. Would be cool to see it implemented!
Yeon straight up stirring the pot haha great episode
Yeon is such a troll lmao
FYI here's a list of all the guests on Pros so far:
FLY - 2 [Jensen/Bwipo]
100T - 2 [Sniper/Eyla]
TL - 3 [Umti/Yeon/APA]
C9 - 0
DIG - 1 [eXyu]
NRG - 3 [Dhokla/Huhi/Falafox]
IMT - 3 [Olleh/Tactical/Armao]
SR - 1 [Insanity]
C9 will be here when they start winning
Can i just say please keep up the Livingroom vibe for this, it might just be me but i feel it works really well for these kinds of setup over the regular studio vibes.
This has been one of the best things LCS has done in a while. I love getting to know the players more ❤
Lmao this is reviving the scene, this is what makes me care about the players and the brand
Emily the GOAT
everytime i see a PROS video i click instantly :D
These episodes are the best thing to happen with the new LCS. PLEASE keep them coming! Loved the banter in this one 🤣
TLA REUNION!! MY BOIS!!! 😭😭
Yeon is such a shit stirrer, I love it considering how the community has treated him at large
I don't understand your last sentence.
@elliotanderson3760 yeah, i missed "him" after "treated".
As in, the community has been harsh to him as a NA native rookie who made it to worlds in his first professional year
@@elliotanderson3760 I'm on twitter sometimes and Yeon does get flamed a lot. You would be surprised how much he gets flamed. If you ask me who gets flamed in TL by a lot it's either Yeon / Corejj (TL's bot lane) or APA.
@@LargeMcBottoms This is true but Yeon wasn't the only one who gets flamed in TL. It has been Yeon and Core all the time and when APA joined the team he gets flamed too.
Eyla is smiling on the outside FUMING on the inside while Yeon is stirring the pot and Armao watches LMAO this I can't imagine how they played together in TLA hahah This is like a little brother bothering the middle bro with the big bro laughing
Yeon and Armao so focused on 100T that they forget how much their team have been getting shit on by 100T
I like the way they have invested in making us attached to these players. I hope they do a team narrative next. Like C9, the Fallen Kings, Immortals being the underdog team challenging the ladder up. Something similar
Pros is the best LCS content. The criticism for years has been that the younger players dont have character and the story is always about the old guys. This is the perfect platform for younger guys to flesh out public characters.
Love this damn series
Thank God this is still on.
I would be happy for best of 2s!
The old TLA boys! Love seeing them together again
These guys are great together I love the banter lol
really loving the stream of new content
this is so fun. Love the shit talk and this whole series
Emily is such a good host. Analytical mind but also conscious of the other speakers. Great combination of players to speak together as well, love the content!
I have been really enjoying these
They can call talk shit to 100 thieves but they beat those two people on the table in stage lmao
Not even when 100t won the league were they respected hahaha it's just how it is
yeon is an absolute menace and i'm here for it
Great content like always
please continue making these for the future LCS seasons aswell
Loved Emily as the host here!!
I really wish the audio was better for this, some players are damn near impossible to hear
Which episode specifically ?
@lcs content dudes, can u guys upload Pros on the dive’s podcast feed? I ain’t see the show come thru apple podcasts
This is my favorite content the LCS produces. Emily was amazing!
I keep seeing a lot of folks who act like the players in LCS don't have personalities, and I wonder if they even watch these guys. Yeon egging on his former teammates was really fun to watch, whether you love him or hate him.
Great episode! Loved all the pot stirring
I think 1-1 in a Bo2 works as a fan as long as the narrative of the series is the outcome of the standings and not the actual draw. If the standings are constantly being pushed with brackets and visuals it’s still interesting because the movement in the standings is the satisfaction of the draw. If both teams are drawn in standings then ya I mean that’s pretty boring lmao.
Is this podcast not uploaded to spotify? I cant find this on spotify. I love the dive is in spotify but I think this series(pros) isnt on there 😢
They're flaming 100T for being bad at scrims, insert Allen Iverson "We talking about practice" clip.
Regular season BO2's with 1-1 outcomes not being satisfying should actually be a possitive as its regular season and builds hype for the actual Playoffs rounds which are conclusive as it should wrapping up a split.
Best of twos would be dope, it would make up for the lose of two teams in the league, players get more games, viewers get more games to watch, teams can pull out more drafts. Make both teams do a coin flip to see who picks blue side/red side first.
Is it possible to go to a best of 3 format with the drop out of other organizations? it seems like there would be space for a best of 3 format with the decline in teams?
Emily Rand best host of this podcast
One of my favorite pieces of content every week please keep this coming MarkZee
I found the recent episode to be quite engaging. However, I have noticed some inconsistency with the audio levels of each participant in the last few episodes. It would be greatly appreciated if this issue could be addressed and possibly resolved. Thank you.
The thing about the bo2 that some people don't realize is that it can happen in the regular season Bo1 regardless. Like win the first round robin lose the second. So it really doesn't matter
Great content
Loved this episode. Was funny
People who argue against best of 2’s are idiots. Regular season doesn’t matter. going 1-1 builds hype for playoffs where games actually matter.
Any to build a narrative and hype for the league would be great. Especially if we’re supposed to be testing live patch in pro. Let’s see more of the live patch, not less.
ive gone through the goddam Alps of ups and down with Yeon during this
I love Yeon so much
50 Minutes of everyone shitting on 100T and I love every minute of it
Would it be viable to play a double round robin Bo3, where half the matches are played on stage on the weekend, and the rest are played from home during the week? So the from-home matches have about the same level of production as LPL/LCK English, with no studio, which I imagine lowers the production cost substantially.
So half the LCS would be operating on the same production level as COVID or NACL? It's definitely viable, but is it preferable? I don't think so.
@@proteuswest1084 Yes - but there would still be just as much higher-quality in-studio broadcast as now, so people who only want to watch that could skip the weekday games and would get the same product that they get now. I wouldn't be surprised if fewer than half as many people watched the weekday matches, but a sizable group of fans would love having the extra matches, and it sounds like nearly all of the players themselves would prefer it.
I love the raw drama 😂
Scrims are just that scrims or practice if you will gameday comes around and players take it serious they turn up
Interesting how there haven't been any C9 players on this show yet so far
Yo AP reksai was actually so busted they basically removed the AP scaling of the Q. Armao is capping
time stamps?
its 50 minutes...........
@@MrGoalie2012 yeah. I don't have that much time during my lunch
best of two please
BO3’s wouldn’t work with the LCS budget. Just can’t. I mean the DK vs DRX BO3 they just played in LCK was over 7 hours because of pauses. An entire day of LCS. The LCS is already cutting budget so they’re not gonna have a 7 hour day just for 1 series. And you can’t plan for pauses so you can’t just be like well they’ll adjust. No, they’ll have to keep the show going and open the studio for more days if shit like that happens. I don’t see it being economically feasible.
Crazy that this is the 4th episode and you've still not included a single C9 member...
i mean given L9's performance im sure they have declined being on the show my guy. They've been super ass and likely will wait until they feel they are playing better to focus on any type of media
They're still doing a lot of external interviews, and internal media stuff - even doing aram streams during the break. I don't think this is a massively intense segment or anything. I suspect the main reason is that, last year, they had the C9 team on the desk *a lot*, and are trying to shake the allegations of bias. @@ItsxCreationZ
@@ItsxCreationZpreach. It's a bad look to be participating in any media hijinks like this until they get their focus back. Sad truth.
Best PROS episode yet. Yeon might be my new favorite player since mine have retired.
I want Fearless Bo2's!!!!!
I love Yeon and his shit talking 😂
C9 Hopium 7:00
cool
yeon is just the new instigator
Opening a new episode of pros and realising that they still have not had a single C9 member come on is pretty funny.
Well even the members of C9 are critical of themselves this split.
Best for last?? Copium
Im fine with this. The only player i really liked on C9 was Sven and now that hes gone i have no reason to root for them
@@kaly8329 Them being critical of themselves is completely irrelevant, they've included members from the 7th/8th place team.
@@ryanhodgson9693 them being critical to themselves is relevant because of how they're playing this split.
What is emily talking about knocking the whole team up with reksai theyd have to be standing on each other. it was never a radius knock up. it was always very small. Even yeon tried to correct but armano doubled down on her mistake lol
TIL: Yeon is hilarious
Yeon sounds pretty sick with all the coughing, he should probably wear a mask! 😉😉😉 /s
Don't worry he's just choking as always
I'd prefer to watch Bo3s with two round robins
Team Losers, I can't. 🤣🤣
I hate the comments saying bo3 could never happen. It would be a stretch, but if riot wants the lcs to become better and become more popular I see it as a necessity.
No one cares about lcs
16 games is so little, Bo2 doubles stage games. If we can’t do Bo3, Bo2 is still so much better than Bo1. 1-1 Ties are fine. Soccer is full of ties and it’s the most popular sport in the world.
Is there really any difference between going 1-1 in a bo2 and going 1-1 in bo1s? Also, audio levels are a bit inconsistent at times for my autistic ears.
They should do a best of 3, but not stream the third and not tell you who won and then release all the games on monday.
maybe armao should worry more about his own team than 100t and he wouldnt be in last
100 shitters is a hilarious name
That trash talk to someone's face is hilarious to me. This kinda trolling is why I dislike the whole "Be Professional, don't talk smack" group of eSports fans.
Where is C9 to defend themselves 😅😂
Travis would like the royalty check for his show idea any time now.
pls move valorant to another location im deprived of lcs lol
Yeon is so funny xd
😡 "Promosm"
pretty sure Yeon used to be that little shit in school that soft bullied people but never enough to get hit or maybe he just ran fast
Naaaaaaaah maaan yeonnis such a Troller
This thumbnail is pretty uninteresting :(
armao is the least charismatic dude in LCS why have him.. the disrespectful attitude and carelessness he carries is cringeworthy
No one watched Bo3, Champions Queue is dead, teams play more scrims than stage game, and money is required for more broadcast time. Playoffs have Bo3. Bo1 or Bo3 is not why NA is not competitive against international competitions.
As a fan, I just want more league :) so best of 2s, even if they are the 1-1 anime cliff-hanger, would be worth it!
Hard agree. Feels pretty bad waiting all week to see your team get gapped for 30 minutes then not have a chance to adapt or show anything more. Especially when we more volatile with live patch.
XD
100 shitters is so funny
Best of 3s are just best of 2s with a 1-1 tiebreaker. We need bo3s.
We need to swap yeon for Sven to save our spring split so bad
svenskeren? or zven?
@@baronnashor158 zven obviously the adc for adc
Yeon is such a cringy little kid lol