Iconic Guitars Does Lay offs because BC Rich?
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4:09 Iconic Guitars Does Lay offs because BC Rich?
36:00 What gear announcements I thought were cool
38:40 Two Rock amps buys Divided by 13 amps
44:08 Rainsong guitars closed? Why retiring age owners are affecting us
48:40 I feel in love with an acoustic guitar
50:00 Why did Sweetwater see the bad BC Rich guitars?
55:50 what is the margin on a $6,000 guitar?
1:04:00 Are guitars with effects built in a gimmick?
1:07:00 Ibanez made a guitar with effects touch pad?
1:08:00 How do you make sense of all there Parker guitar models?
1:11:00 How Marketing cost could change how guitars are sold
1:19:00 Should you wait to open a tube amp like you do with some guitars?
1:22:30 What should do with your tube amp during long times of not using it?
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I did it- I finally bought a new guitar. Isn't it funny how you will spend 3 years looking at a certain style of guitar, thinking about getting it- and then, when you finally can buy something- you buy something totally different? I had been looking at either a P90 guitar- double P90s I mean- like a LP style- or a Yamaha RevStar. So- last night I bought an Ibanez Sp3- wtf? Where did that come from? I gotta stop drinking and shopping- they don't mix- I can't shred. I'm going to look stupid playing classic rock on a damn shredder style Super Strat. That said- I've always wanted one- they're the most irresponsible- and therefor fun- guitar you can buy. The second ppl see them they're like "Oh shit!" then you start playing and they're like "Oh, shit."
I had 4 beers today and almost bought a Revstar rss02t orange! Man that’s a nice one
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lol! I JUST did the same thing last night. 80’s metal guy now owns a hot Tele and a HT strat. I woke up this morning confused. I gotta lay off the greens!
I havnt bought a guitar for a while , problem is i need a little more beer . Thts it , ill be rt back .
I just did this, been looking at an LP for well over 6 months, went to pull the trigger on Friday and almost bought an Epiphone Riviera. Had to step away and re evaluate.
The guy from Iconic is Kevin, not Steve. Kevin is one of the most "Stand-up "people I've ever met in the guitar industry, he puts everything into his guitar builds and it really shows in the final product.
Yep really cool guy.
I've got a Solana, it's an outstanding guitar, can't speak highly enough about it.
I'm sure he is, but I watched his video and he slammed BC Rich for cancelling orders, but then said he turned around and cancelled the orders he made with his vendors.
So BC Rich cancels orders due to low demand, bad. Iconic cancels orders due to low demand...good?
@@robwhitman769you don't sound very bright. Is Iconic supposed to just sit on literally $150,000 bucks in hardware, electronics and tone woods for over a year -closer to 2 years!) when BC Rich renigs on their end of a deal involving a LOT of money? The first 100+ guitars in the agreement, BC Rich either has in their position or sold online. Then they STIFFED Iconic for them. Then the first few hundred Crackle Warlocks flew off the shelves and again: BC Rich STIFFED iconic again. THEY GOT ALL THAT MONEY!! What's $1750 (the est. amount BC Rich agreed to pay for each American Stranger Things Warlock) times 200? (The number of Crackles actually produced) ????? Dude, since you don't seem to understand basic business and math, thats 350K!!!!! THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND BUCKS!!!!
And the difference here is, when Kevin was forced to call suppliers and make returns or cancel POs, it was AFTER BC Rich agreed to keep the production rolling, saying payment is in the way, he goes and orders all the supplies to build them, then went CRICKETS for over 2 months before verbally telling Iconic to halt production.
So based on their agreement and Kevin being the standup guy he is, he continued on with the build sheets from the POs and unknowingly gets stiffed, and he's just suppose to sit on all that inventory? GTFOH man. What would your dumb a s s do?!?!
The fact that you don’t have 2 million subscribers boggles my mind. Cause I see some other guitar channels who are not good and they have more. Keep up the good work brother
True.He has far better advice too
Thank you Phil & Love to All!!!
Spilled a lot of industry tea this episode, I love it.
ive built a guitar from reclaimed wood for 250$ for the supplies, and 80 hours of labor, at 10$ an hour it comes out to 1500$ phil is spot on. but larger companies can get materials quite a bit cheaper so a company like fender or gibson could build a premium guitar for even less but not by much.
I live in Asia I buy guitar bodies and necks from China, usually mahogany, I thought how much would it cost me to go in the guitar business, so I contacted a manufacturer in China, I wanted a Stratocaster style body, when they replied I was shocked 14 different colours Stratocaster style 100 pcs $7.50 each 10,000 pcs $5.50 I doubt Fender spends that much on Stratocaster bodies at Squire
The way larger companies get price breaks on materials is by buying in BULK, which is an huge cost up front.
Long time (pre50k maybe) subscriber and watcher, first time commenter. Thank you for the review on the EBMM Sabre, after much research looking for a natural flamed top guitar, your review helped a ton in my purchase. Incredible quality, playing and feeling guitar. Even my wife says it’s a classy guitar
I’ve been around many “action sports” brands and known/seen or been told “how the sausage is made” many many times….that said the guitar biz seems to make that industry look like all sunshine and rainbows w how nonsensical and cut throat tryin to sling six strings for a living can be….also we are very fortunate to have a character like Phil sharing his hands on and insider info w us…..
The shills on YT pretending to give reviews is just out of control. how can every product be the best ever? Phil is one of only two people online that i will let influence my purchases. i have been watching him for at least five years. His manner and method has not waivered in over half a decade.
Yeah, hearing about the builder/brand relationship dynamic totally struck me with the similarities to the bicycle/bmx industry of years ago. A small amount of capable fabricators and a larger number of barely or less competent builders. With so many smaller brands choosing the latter (sometimes from desperation) for fab partnership, saw many brand owner friends just go the import route, or struggle while being burned by their manufacturing 'partner'. I imagine skateboarding is similar.
@@richardclark. agreed always the even keel that make his insights feel like he's a personal consultant more than an "influencer"....bout two years ago planning a build I couldn't get past putting in a neck P90....but also couldn't get past the price of trusted brands...I'm listening to the podcast and shopping...about to click on a purchase and Phil sideways mentions that a 1/4 pounder is basically a P90....I open a drawer to see a 1/4 pounder I had bought just because it was a good price a while ago....$150-ish saved....that cemented my continued Patreon support for this dude...that type of thing has happened several times from his channel...a true resource for my continuing adventures as Ms Hacksworth the guitar builder.....
Good stuff! My new favorite Channel! Fellow PRS player here. I have 4 of them now.Just scored an amazing 1999 Arhctop II. Stoked. Great stuff ind the fund raiser stuff man. Kudos. Greetings from cloudy NYC!
Hi Phillip, I always enjoy your videos and knowledge following you since around 2012. Greeting from the uk
Hey, yeah, but I bought one of those Mooer GTRS800 guitars with the built in effects on Black Friday, because it was 50% off at Amazon. It's a ton of fun! Plus I figured since I got it on Amazon, I could return it easily for a refund if I hated it, but I'm gonna keep it. Like I say, it's a lot of fun!
I own an Emerald x10 and it's amazing. From gigs on hot summer patios to cold tents in October, my Emerald performs amazingly in all scenarios.
I am an Emerald Ambassador and want to thank you for sharing your personal experience.
@@DRChevalier I actually have a review written that I share to many Emerald posts because of how it outperforms wood guitars in so many scenarios. It's the perfect gigging musician's acoustic.
Am TOTALLY in agreement with your chosen "Headline" for this Episode! A "Cautionary Tale" to be sure. As a former business owner/operator (same Auto Repair shop for 17 years...and it DIDN'T end in failure), it's safe for me to say that it might take only one or two of a bazillion unfortunate event possibilities to "sink the ship"! Yes, I watched the Iconic Video, too. Talk about "the one you LEARN with, and the one you LIVE with"; and "school's" NEVER "out", is it?
Gibson Amps: I got an early 60s Gibson Discoverer GA8T a few years ago for under $500. Class A dual single channel, 12ax7 preamp, two 6v6 power, tube rectifier, 12” Jensen special design speaker, sweet tube tremolo, 10 watts. Add a delay/reverb pedal and you’ve got incredible vintage tone for a third of the cost of the current offerings.
it's so cool listening guitar talk from you.
??? hi Phill, just wanted to say deals are out there still. Went a little crazy and I got a deal Sterling St. Vincent Goldie, 18% off B-stock, nothing wrong with with it. Got a Match price in a Godin 5th ave from my rep at SW. Last got 18% off on a PRS CE. Deals are out there
I own 2 Emerald guitars.....they are practically flawless. The quality is crazy, and my 12 string and 6 string play almost like electric guitars. Another player in the carbon fiber market is Blackbird. I own their El Capitan. And although I probably prefer my Emerald, the tone and volume from my Blackbird El Capitan is crazy good.
I am an Emerald Ambassador and thanks for your comment. I bought three myself and they are superb instruments
@DRChevalier It's sort of crazy because almost nobody knows about them...... I tell everyone I know...they are very expensive though, and that's an obstacle fir a lot of people. However the quality, beauty and tone are among top tier.
p.s.: A "Performance Bond" requirement on a contract requires the buyer to engage a bond broker as "insurance". In the event the buyer defaults in any way (cancellation, non-payment, dissolution), the bond covers expenses you have incurred (depending on the size of the bond you require in your contract).
??? Hi Phil. Polishing the frets of a Les Paul that has fret nibs. I use micro mesh and fret guards. I'm worried about damaging the nibs. Any advice? Love the show!
if you break or chip off a nib you can graft it back on with acetone or super glue, but i wouldn't worry about it those fret nibs are pretty strong
I purchased a Rainsong WS years ago after checking one of the first line of Emerald guitars. They have come a LONG way and have one living in my Reverb cart. Still very expensive, but nice.
Thanks for this video Phil. One of your best. Keep telling it like it is!
?? Hey Phil NGD! You made me get e Heritage H150 and I freaking love it. Thanks dude!
1:08:20 A great resource for Parker information is The Fly Clone Project. Super helpful.
Hi Phil. I own three Emerald Guitars and love them. When recorded, no one has been able to identify that they are carbon fibre. Every one arrived in perfect condition, never any issues. I own the Virtuo acoustic electric, the Chimaera double neck and their Synergy Harp guitar. I am so enthused, when invited, I agreed to become an Emerald Guitars Ambassador.
I have a 3 pickup LP and can NOT get the center pickup to come on by itself any suggestions
Regarding tube amps and extreme temperatures, In aircraft of the world war 2 era radios and some navigational avionics operated with vacuum tubes. These aircraft were flown out of places like Alaska, Siberia, the Himalayas, etc. and were subjected to a lot of cold stress.This equipment was subjected to some pretty fierce cold on the ground, and especially at altitude and continued to operate. From what I have read, the vibration inherent in aircraft of the time was more of a concern for the avionics than the temperature stress.
With that said, if I was living and gigging in a place like Alaska, or even the higher Rockies or Sierras in winter, I would try to keep my tube amp in a heated vehicle if possible, and move it into a living space or performance space that had at least some temperature control to give the equipment as gentle of a life as possible, but that is just me. Your mileage may vary. If you are going to keep your guitars in spaces that are comfortable for you to be in to protect them from rapid changes, you may as well do the same for your amps. No sense in "poking the bear" unnecessarily.
If anyone has real world experience with this, please inform us further and correct me if needed.
?any thoughts on the retro active Emg fat 55s?
And they went to NAMM? Might already have paid up - def want to hear the discussion as I’d been looking at their guitars but couldn’t get past the price point
Ty Tabors "heart" of his tone is a Strat with a built in preamp. Rumour has it that part of his "rig" when he uses a diff guitar he still runs it thru a preamp circuit "pulled" from that model guitar....
Very thankful for pawn shops!!!!!!!!!!
Eriko Hashimoto plays an Divided by 13 Amp and an Anniversary Hand-Wired Heritage Vox Amp.
?? Thanks for taking my question two weeks ago about getting started with a modeler….i looked into it, then i gave up and bought a Deluxe Reverb instead!! (And my name is Gerard, not Gerald)??
Really great episode....
Outside the guitar industry, there have been tens of thousands of layoffs at Big Tech firms. Some folks might have to delay purchases after their bonus, vacation, and severance runs out and unemployment benefits kick in.
Good show!
bringing electronics that have been outside in COLD temps into a WARM environment can cause condensation to form on circuit boards. If you turn them on before they have a chance to warm up at LEAST until the condensation is gone can FRY a board like you had sprayed water on it. If your in a COLD climate, (MAINE) like me, do not fire any electronics up off the UPS truck right away. I saw a coworker fry a brand new paper shredder doing this. You could see condensation on the side of the thing and he plugged it in and turned it right on. ZAAAAP! fried it.
??what is the best beginner/intermediate bass to buy, to play a wide variety of music?? Thanks
a squire precision or jazz bass, you can find them for cheap brand new.
Is weight a concern? Ibanez generally makes lighter basses than Fender does, I’d say try both out at a music store and see which you like best. A P, or J style will cover almost everything music wise.
I think retailers will semi-invent (or over-scrutinize) to find something that can make an instrument a "demo", "factory second", or "customer return" in order to sell them as used, sometimes avoiding dealer agreements on minimum retail price. Use of condition will affect clickbait info like "Well Below Market Value", or show a value range for instruments in an incongruous category.
??? Hi Phil, thinking of replacing my MIM strat body with a warmoth mahogany hard tail body... other than string ferrules and the hard tail bridge, is there anything else I need to consider?
you should keep note of the screw holes on the pick guard and anticipate having to maybe drilling new ones in the body, also you will want to pay attention to how the neck fits in the pocket and also anticipate maybe having to shim it for neck tilt and a good action at the strings
Thank you!
You should have warmth do the initial finish prep on the body, unless you’ve got a lot of extra time on your hands.
Thank you! @@Bagledog5000
Warmoth stupid auto correct.
Wow! Phil is on a roll tonight.
8 years ago I got a Spector NS-2 and it was about $5500. I had to ship it back for an issue and I called to see how much insurance should be: the guy on the phone said $1800. What? He said that what it costs to build. I asked to whom I was speaking and it was Stuart Spector! 😂 distribution/retailer/profit adds a ton
Emerald makes great guitars; especially their harp models ! Built for outdoor gigs since they're not wood.
Wow, just checked out the Emerald guitars. Those are something else, man. I want one!
I feel like so many things have changed since year 2000, can you speak to any of them in guitar world Phill?
?? Phil, I don't remember you ever speaking about MIRC guitars. What can you tell us? Maybe in your next podcast. Thanks.
Seen this over & over in another small, niche market, the ultralight aircraft craze of the 1970s, 80s & 90s. Almost every super famous name closed or sold out when the older Founder retired or died. Its quite a shame....
Bugger had to grind my beans for Java and returned to end of it. Stay strong community keep on strumming picking or what ever. You do. Cheers Matt N Trooper
just rewind the video to the parts you missed 😂
Hey Mr. Phil. Do you still own your Rickenbacker 12 string?
Thanks for your take on the Iconic/Bc rich ordeal, seams both companies grossly over predicted the demand for expensive usa guitars, I believe bc riches import business with prosper
Not on point, but I wonder what your comments are on the Christies auction of The Mark Kopfler Guitar Collection which happend on Wednesday. Great fun to watch live, jaw dropping prices, must raise awareness on the value of modern instruments.
I have a Rainsong Acoustic. The guitar sounds great. Not as good as my $3500 Gibson SJ-200, but dang good for a guitar that's made of carbon fiber and epoxy. Also, the Rainsong has the best setup of any acoustic guitar I have ever played. This is mostly because the factory setup was perfect and the guitar never moves with temp or humidity, so the guitar still has the perfect factory setup. Just a great guitar all around.
Electra had different fx modules that went into the back of the guitar. In the 70s
One of my guitars that I sell for 6k probably cost me about 1500 in parts and materials. Plus a shit ton of my time and skills
I love the look of Iconic Guitars. Wish I’d tried to buy one before all this!
Hey Phil, I’m wondering if you can change pick up covers without removing the pick ups from the guitar
no you can not
humbuckers cover plates have to be de- soldered from the back plate and single coils are mounted through their covers, both types will have to be disassembled and removed from the guitar to change the covers. fortunately its very easy to do so with a philips head screwdriver.
@@DE-GEN-ART thanks for the response. I know you have to unmount the pickups lol but I guess my question is can I remove the pickups but keep them wired to the pots and just protect the guitar while I desolder the covers? Then resolder them while they’re still wired? Make sense?
@@ScottMedinaX If the lead is long enough you definitely can. Sometimes the leads are zip tied together in the control cavity, so you might need to check that.
My notification says starts in 62 minutes. Is it going to start an hour later today?
What’s the best Alninco 5 pickup Phil?
bare buckle, Seymour Duncan, and demarzio all have great POF style alnico 5 humbuckers for good prices
Hello from... NAMM 2024! See you at Kiesel Connect tomorrow @Philip McKnight 🤘😎🎸
My parents are musicians and they started me young, and I never heard about letting an instrument acclimate to a room before taking it out of the case until guitarists started saying that.
What do you think pro musicians do in the winter up north? You think they show up an hour early just to let their instruments warm up, and if they can’t get there early refuse to play? Violins and woodwind instruments would likely be the most susceptible. What about marching bands; never heard anyone having a problem with extreme temps, except maybe for clarinets falling apart when the cork shrinks
Why can't I see the live chat on my PC browser?
Idk why but I could listen to this stuff all day. And I just own 1 electric (a tele) and 1 classical guitar.
Guitars are so personel. I've had a couple of Emeralds and the quality is amazing, however, I find them, and all carbon fiber guitars, to be a bit "muddy" for lack of a better term. Maybe "dull" would be a better term. The Emerald is great once plugged in, but as a strictly acoiustic instrument they are not for me.
A guitar strings gauge question: What is the string gauge difference string to string school of thought?
I have a 1988 BC Rich Worlock, Great shape. Bought new USA Made. It is lefty, and when it sells, I would only expect to get what I paid for it. maybe a little more. OHSC included. Not for sale at the moment. I believe it has Dimarzio Pups
That was cool, you sneakily agreed with the guitologist's opinion on Gibson amps! Brad should never have criticised you all those years ago for that lame reason. I sense that he is sorry that he did
I've got a Chuck Schuldiner Stealth and Eric Rutan Ironbird. I love them and will never part with them.
it's a bit surprising that Phil left Badlands. He was listed as one of co-owners of the company. Makes one wonder what happened.
Remember there's only 24 hours in a day. I'm fairly sure Phil already have his days 100% filled with doing stuff he likes. He never sounded like Badland was his brainchild. More like he based on his industry/business knowledge, was asked to help with the project. It's probably more exciting to be involved in an startup, than running an company.
There’s probably a little more to the story but that’s between him and Badlands. It’s really none of our business.
@@phenderson20 agree but it's just something that piqued my interest. If he were actually a co owner (as was listed on their site) rather than a go to market consultant, it would be odd for him to cut ties without context.
Kiesel? Not sure I'm with you on that one.
7pm?
Lol at the Moonpie Guitars Stinger! That customer will live in infamy.
Re: Phil parting ways with Badlands: It's unusual for a startup business owner to leave just because he's 'done'. Especially with the success of each run to-date. I would wager that a LARGE percentage of those sales came from subs to this channel. There just has to be more to the story. Saying now that he's just interested in other things doesn't pass the sniff test - especially when Phil was all over all of the publicity just a few months ago. I respect his privacy, but he did induce a lot of people on this channel to order some very expensive guitars - and some of those people bought because of his association with the company. Because of that, I think he should be a bit more forthcoming. It's also unusual that the break seems so firm and final. You'd expect that even if Phil wanted to work on other stuff, he'd stay a co-founder on the site, an occasional advisor/consultant, etc. His complete erasure from the site and the way he talks about it suggests a more dramatic departure.
Yeah, it does seem a bit weird and also the fact that it's announced during a pre recorded episode, because the live comments would probably explode if it was live
BC Rich doesn´t care for the European market. The German distributor W-Music (warwick/framus) actually only has 5 older models in stock, 2 guitars and 3 basses. The stranger things guitar was never offered in Germany, neither other new models. A guy I know ordered a Gunslinger two years ago via Thomann. The order was canceled by Thomann after a year... My dream guitar is a BC Rich Mockingbird archtop supreme from the late 90s. Perhaps someday I get one. They are rare a.f. in Europe.
Phil why dont you have a cream guitar seems like your style
Some one saying. Not watching as much due to adds. Become member or Patreon but also get UA-cam paid for and get no adds in any show you watch.
You can't go wrong with G&L guitars imo
This is very strange, did Iconic dropped the ball in terms of legal matters and contracts, how is this legally allowed to happen? If this happened with contracts in hand, then tons of other companies can be screwed the same way.
Maybe guitar building and business acumen don’t completely overlap. I’ve noticed that is the case in my industry (where skilled professionals seem unaware of best contractual practices).
@@RandallHayter Hi Randall, I was actually thinking about this last night, guitar builders are very passionate, artists that might ignore certain business issues that might have bad consequences later. It's definitely very unfortunate for all those people that no longer have a job :(
Is it time for another who owns who video?
Weird coincidence, I just bought my 4th Parker P series guitar.
LOL, how did Moon Pie know my guitar sux?
Only a Bernie Rico era BC Rich is worth having. RainSongs are now collectibles.
The business "Gearnuts" seem to be set up as a clearing house for returned Sweetwater gear. They are listing guitars on Reverb as "new" and priced identically to Sweetwater listings for new items. Although defects are disclosed either the are demoed or defective, or used. each of which category should logically impose a discount commensurate with condition. This suggests intentional deception whether it be on the part of Sweetwater or Gearnuts. If a serial numbers are available for the items, a correlation effort should be undertaken.
?Do you think Fender will one day buy GIBSON???
badlands swirl finish when?
Its Kevin. Not Steve. Steves get blamed too often😂
Steve is NOT the owner of Iconic guitars, Kevin Proctor is. BC Rich cancelled the order AFTER the contract was signed, which is breech of contract. While they shrank the order number to about half and then cancelled all, while they already signed a contract. So it is 100% not a counting your chickens before they hatch, and Iconic guitars is suing BC Rich. Those issues with BC Rich guitars is 100% on BC Rich, as the contract with BC Rich and Iconic were on the BC Rich Warlock Stranger Things edition, which are the ONLY guitars Iconic was to make for BC Rich.
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Survival of the fittest podcast
The whole guitar industry in bad shape. IMO of course. I need to sell some guitars and I cant seem to give em away. Bad times ahead Im afraid.
This industry is full of gougers scammers and skeep skops. Find a small builder w soul. They email you, they share the love and build a great instrument
Reeks like bad business decisions on top of more bad business decisions with iconic. Where are the contracts?? Who signs a deal like he claims he got? Idk..doesn't seem to take any responsibility for hanging out his company on hopes and dreams
Carbon fiber. LOL.
Who involves themselves with a brand that made cheesy metal guitars in the 80s and 90s? Self reliance is dead
G’day Mate, just had look at the new deputy by victory. Wow such a great tone brilliant clean and pushed no problem. Off course Peter H (the Dane) is playing on it with interview. Loved the black mountain pedal, now that’s a volume pedal that sits right with my old busted up body Curtsy of service in Aust Army and the old green packs steel helmets and jumping out of planes not good ankles but roller yes. That’s a must. 🫡🪖🇦🇺
I have to say a hard case is way more protection than a gig bag I have never understood why people like gig bags
I can remember spending $1,500 on a guitar and they wouldn't throw in 120 hard shell case there's always Sweetwater
Have you had a feel of the CS fender Rory Gallagher guitar. As was tossing it over for the 3 yr late 50th gift to self as a card was it. Hard with no one to help give that yes or no as took 3 yrs of saving to get in range on vets pension?? Any help or comment be great Mate.. cheers. 🫡🪖🇦🇺