577 Snider And The Struggle For Accuracy

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  • @Schlachtschule
    @Schlachtschule Рік тому +30

    You got my book! Thanks--I really hope you found it useful! For sight adjustment, there's an entire thread on the British Militaria Snider forum about it, and Rob Enfield discusses it in one of his Snider videos (YT won't let me put links on here, unfortunately). Some guys solder a blade on top of the front sight, others make a hose-clamp gizmo that clamps on the barrel, and Rob has soldered a small plate against the rear sight notch that has a V which is in the correct spot. As to shooting to the right, on p. 88 of my book I talk about this. If you look at the wind allowance chart on that page, you'll see that there are two different charts, one for a right wind and one for a left wind. The reason for that is that the rifling on the Snider naturally sends the bullets right at longer ranges, so you have to make less allowance for wind when it comes from 3:00, so there's always going to be some right drift. But I think getting a different bullet--as you say, the .600 X-Ring is pretty popular for this--will make a difference by making it more consistent. It's really great to see someone else shooting the Snider!

    • @skymycat1
      @skymycat1 Рік тому

      No I reload for a sharps 45/70 those Italian made rifles I would if I had a 577 rifle

    • @Schlachtschule
      @Schlachtschule Рік тому +5

      @@skymycat1 I'm not sure I understand how that relates to my comment.

  • @sbreheny
    @sbreheny Рік тому +13

    I cannot help you with the Snyder but I wanted to let you know that your channel has enabled me to make my own decent black powder which I have shot in my Trapdoor Springfield and Martini-Henry to great success at least as far as velocity goes (I'm getting right around 1300 fps on each). I have not yet had the chance to take them out to a longer range to see how the accuracy holds up. Thank you very much for your excellent channel - especially the tutorials on making BP.

  • @Mis-AdventureCH
    @Mis-AdventureCH Рік тому +5

    Just watched "Four Feathers" again last night. Great scene when they made first contact with the Sudanese Mahadi forces. Sniper in the ville had a Snider. The whole movie was really tight in terms of uniforms, gear, and weapon systems.
    That Snider might not be putting out Rem 700 sniper level accuracy, but if you've got a few hundred guys making it rain out there it's gonna be real uncomfortable.

  • @HobbiesHobo
    @HobbiesHobo Рік тому +6

    Those were common in the gunshops around these parts about 40 years ago but I haven't seen many lately, mind you I haven't been looking for them either. Wouldn't mind finding an old Martini to make a custom rifle out of. 👍✌

    • @cameronlamb7274
      @cameronlamb7274 Рік тому +1

      Up here in Canada you can trip over them pretty much. A lot of them are ones sold as surplus 100 or so years ago a lot of cut down for-ends like mine to make a handy hunting rifle.

  • @TexasLeverGunner
    @TexasLeverGunner Рік тому +9

    I shot the X-ring services bullet for a few years and it shot decently well out of my Mk2 and my carbine, but I sat down one day and thought about it. The long rifles usually have a 1:72 twist rate (P53) unless it's a Mk3 then it's usually 1:48 (maybe 1:42? My memory is clouded here). The unfortunate reality is that at the velocity the 577 works at, in regards to the twist rate, the 530XR is just a little too long. I had Tom at Accurate cut me a mold similar to the other one Martin offers, but it's 440grs and shorter, it's more like a button head. They drop at .601 and out of both rifles they'll shoot 1 ragged hole at 50 yards, and at 100 yards I can ding a 6" pie plate with boring regularity. The shorter bullet co-operates better with the slower twist.
    One other thing I'd recommend too is dropping your powder charge. I've tried higher charges of 70grs of more and the accuracy drops off significantly. Just seems like no matter what, the powder we get (swiss or schuetzen) still doesn't have the moisture content of the original British fine rifle powder. I find my best accuracy in that 60-62gr range, and just using C.O.W. to take up the extra space. I hunt with my sniders so I use my 577 seating die to put a mild roll crimp on the button heads to hold them in place.
    Good luck!

    • @Everythingblackpowder
      @Everythingblackpowder  Рік тому +3

      I was using 80gr with the .575 bullets because it grouped the best. And I use the turn loosely. The .600 I have loaded with 60, 65 and 70gr

    • @cameronlamb7274
      @cameronlamb7274 Рік тому +1

      Conversion sniders(mk1 and mk2) have 1 in 78 twists short conicals .590-595 and .600 round balls do well in them.

    • @michaelredman5750
      @michaelredman5750 Рік тому

      Many people believe that the modern powders are too low in moisture but I don’t think that’s the case anymore. The modern black powder lubes use waxes and greases in their formulas and they work well for GG target shooters that use some type of fouling control between shots. The Sharps factory lube was 2 parts spermaceti to 1 part bees wax, a oil based lube. Spermaceti is generally not available anymore and applications that use it have switched to jojoba oil which is a liquid wax similar to spermaceti. Using this lube allows for multiple shots while still maintaining excellent accuracy with no active fouling control.

  • @rayc.1396
    @rayc.1396 Рік тому +10

    I shoot something way different, Pedersoli Sharps. I have only fire formed my brass once and never sized them since. With a single shot you can get away with this no problem. Had a friend, deceased now, who had an original .577 of some sort, I wasn't into old guns and or black powder then. He did 2 things I considered strange, but worked for him. Use standard pistol primer and put a dot of typing paper over the flash hole, don't remember his loading but it was rough on the shoulder.

  • @easternWashington.
    @easternWashington. Рік тому +5

    Some of the hollow base bullets used a plug made of iron or wood to help consistently expand the skirt of the bullet to improve accuracy. Not sure if this will help but I found it interesting.

  • @Derecq
    @Derecq Рік тому +3

    I shoot a Snider but mine is commercial aka a "volunteer". The chamber is a little tighter than a military rifle meaning the largest bullet i can chamber is .595 so i don't have the option for Martyn's mould. I'm only shooting on my club's 50 yard range so .595 round ball works quite well.
    The mistake most Snider shooter make is treating like some kind of muzzle loader, that is, using an undersized hollow based soft lead bullet. Treat like a normal BP cartridge rifle, flat based, over bore size hard cast bullet, the original bullet designer Metford got it wrong and the bullet went through several design changes to get it to work better. Consider bullet expansion takes place before the bullet starts moving when the bullet is still held by the modern brass case and not like the original case of a coil and a half of very thin brass.
    Tip, try using a piece of those expanded corn starch packing peanuts, no weighing and they easily compress to fill the space. And yes mine shoots to the right.

  • @robertrobert7924
    @robertrobert7924 Рік тому +3

    Snider accuracy can be frustrating. I made a removable front sight from copper pipe and a hose fastener. It's not pretty, but it works and does not permanently alter the Rifle. It raises the front sight higher to lower the POA to 50-100 yds. I have also made a similar one for my .43 Argentine RRB Rifle. Old military rifles were usually sighted for 300 yds. at the lowest setting. I have photos I can send to an email address.

  • @gacplinking22
    @gacplinking22 Рік тому +6

    Your a sniper with open sights. I can't hit past 50 yards. Impressive 👍

  • @RabbitusMaximus
    @RabbitusMaximus Рік тому +5

    The Snider Enfield - A True Stop-Gap Rifle...if that gap was only 100 yards between the troops

    • @ludditeneaderthal
      @ludditeneaderthal 7 місяців тому

      Well, you have to consider period correct drill. The brit experience was mostly "mass of dopes in lines firing on opposing mass of dopes in lines", with not a whole heap of long range individual target work. They were also using fairly pristine sniders, not 150 year old ones, plus a load worked up for those baby howitzers, lol. Sure, you had to range qualify, but the real world only really asked for "make it rain lead Robin eggs in that bit of acreage the fellows in the other uniforms are cluttering up right now". Aim at their belt buckle at 188 yards would seemingly accomplish that, especially if you just got in the habit of shooting toward the dope 1 left of straight ahead. Somewhere around 250 to 300 it would be point of aim, elevation wise. It'd be a fair piece before you had to start aiming over their heads. Sure, certainly not 7mm Weatherby mag ballistics, but hardly tossing rocks either, lol

  • @mrdinme.4768
    @mrdinme.4768 Рік тому +2

    Gotta give you kudos for your dedication to that 577!! Wish I had the resources, space to follow on a “special” ((lack of a better term) project.

  • @Tyrannosaurus54
    @Tyrannosaurus54 Рік тому +7

    Excited to see your accuracy results with Martyn’s die!

  • @snappers_antique_firearms
    @snappers_antique_firearms Рік тому +2

    Looking forward to seeing the improvements

  • @colinarmstrong1892
    @colinarmstrong1892 2 місяці тому

    I also use the x ring mould and it certainly makes a big difference. I also run 3f and a much lighter charge that seems to improve accuracy a lot.
    Brazing a brass plate on the rear sight to adjust windage, as well as a brass piece, to make the front blade higher seems the best way to go in my experience.

  • @Stevenyoung100
    @Stevenyoung100 Рік тому +1

    Very awesome!

  • @dieselten01
    @dieselten01 Рік тому +4

    Epoxy or solder a taller front sight blade onto the right side of the existing blade. Good shooting!

  • @Lucontheman
    @Lucontheman Рік тому +1

    I am impressed , very nice

  • @ToadleyBrowne
    @ToadleyBrowne Рік тому +2

    Great shooting offhand.

  • @JWheeler331
    @JWheeler331 Рік тому +1

    Good shooting. That round looks fun. The guy in the back is your biggest fan when you hit. YEAH!!!!!!

  • @Jb-qn2xz
    @Jb-qn2xz Рік тому +1

    Awesome video like always

  • @brianr555
    @brianr555 Рік тому +1

    Fun video! You must pay your spotters a big lunch, bc their excitment is rather exuberant! I agree with your front sight solution. Dovetail and blade it…and twist your rifle a titter more to the left when squeezing the trigger

  • @michal.abramowicz
    @michal.abramowicz Рік тому +2

    ❤❤❤

  • @MemorialRifleRange
    @MemorialRifleRange Рік тому +1

    Thank-you

  • @marktroiani5401
    @marktroiani5401 Місяць тому

    Just a RCH! I love that

  • @thenogoodniks8673
    @thenogoodniks8673 Рік тому +1

    Awesome shooting good stuff

  • @nevisstkitts8264
    @nevisstkitts8264 Рік тому +1

    Excellent Video
    RCH StaNavTerm

  • @loupuleff571
    @loupuleff571 Рік тому +6

    Just a tip to share when your testing a hammer on a bare nipple put a rubber faucet washer over the nipple that way your not peening it over just saves the life of it as much as possible.

    • @Operator_Inquiries
      @Operator_Inquiries 9 місяців тому +1

      It’s not a nipple like a black powder nipple. It’s a nipple that has been bored out to retain the spring loaded firing pin. So the hammer is primarily striking the spring loaded firing pin.

    • @loupuleff571
      @loupuleff571 9 місяців тому

      Ahh ok did not know that my bad !@@Operator_Inquiries

  • @kbilsky
    @kbilsky Рік тому +2

    My idea is to weld a weaver rail onto a reciever and put a 32x16 scope on it - problem solved ;)
    Cutting dovetail is good idea, because it is quite easy to make verticaly adjustable frontpost (screwed into frontsight base) - for example metric M3x0,35 (sorry for metric but I am a normal guy) - 3mm diameter (0,118") with 0,35mm (0,014") lead. Butt, welding a rail is better idea ;)

  • @davefellhoelter1343
    @davefellhoelter1343 Рік тому +1

    I got to Get Out! I got the Itchy Finger and LOVE "That Sound!"

  • @aaronmcbain2991
    @aaronmcbain2991 Рік тому +1

    Found another McBain! First time ever!

  • @reloadernorway1042
    @reloadernorway1042 9 місяців тому

    Great channel, really like what you're doing. Du you have some load data for Trail Boss for 577 snider and 577/450 MH? Are you using some filler in those cases with Trail Boss? Greetings from Norway 🇳🇴

  • @missingthe80s58
    @missingthe80s58 Рік тому +1

    Too light a break of the trigger causes it to move too slow or too little before the halfcock notch comes up to snag the trigger sear.
    I had this happen more than once. My Pedersoli lost the halfcock notch entirely because it impacted the trigger sear after I stoned the surfaces.
    Went from extremely gritty 15lb pull to a 5lb glass rod break (bench rest guys know the glass rod reference) and the trigger just wouldn't move far enough fast enough to clear.
    So replacement parts were ordered. Tuning the replacement to reduce the halfcock notch by more than half saw to the fix before installing.
    The half cock obviously still works but isn't slamming into the trigger sear.
    It's a pain in the ass to go through all that. I don't hear gunsmiths mention halfcock notch impacts from lightened trigger pulls and stoned sears. I've seen very expensive guns, in the order of $20,000 guns suffer halfcock notch damage because the owner or even the maker didn't account lock time.
    Shit happens. Sometimes making and tuning gun locks is more art than science.

  • @SnucklesX-9
    @SnucklesX-9 Рік тому +1

    I would love to see a second camera angle down there to see them smacking the crap outta that target. Damn ! That's got a punch.

    • @Everythingblackpowder
      @Everythingblackpowder  Рік тому +1

      Once I get it hitting a little more consistent, we will do that. Right now it would be pretty hazardous to the camera.

  • @olskool3967
    @olskool3967 Рік тому +3

    well, seeing as how there ain't no such thing as "luck" i will take skill every time,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  • @johndiblasi4803
    @johndiblasi4803 Рік тому +1

  • @kirkmorrison6131
    @kirkmorrison6131 Рік тому +1

    Neat old rifle, and it looks to be as much fun as my Rolling Blocks

  • @chopsddy3
    @chopsddy3 Рік тому +1

    That looks pretty dang satisfying.
    Is that hazy smoke from Canada or you guys?
    Love the smell of BP in the morning. Smells like…………..(you know.)

  • @girohuang5196
    @girohuang5196 Рік тому +1

    You can be a monster killer 😊😊😊

  • @wagon9082
    @wagon9082 Рік тому +1

    Good Video

  • @garrettfromsmokeinthewoods
    @garrettfromsmokeinthewoods Рік тому +2

    Like button has been hit lol

  • @Old_8_gauge
    @Old_8_gauge 11 місяців тому +1

    Got one. Not very accurate, the ammo is very expensive, but a whole lot of fun!

  • @billyhenard1473
    @billyhenard1473 Рік тому +1

    Cool video
    The way that thing kicks I would not shoot that rifle by remote control from the next County !
    Curious whether you have a Snyder rifle ?
    Lotta History behind it and I personally think it was a much better rifle than the Springfield 1873.
    If you have one that would make for an interesting video as well.

  • @skymycat1
    @skymycat1 Рік тому +1

    It did not suck great shooting considering the age of the rifle when was it made in the 1860s 1870s

  • @uwepolifka4583
    @uwepolifka4583 Рік тому +1

    Schlachtschule means slaughter school but I think here it means battle school

  • @bigboresledder
    @bigboresledder Рік тому +1

    You guys are "almost" too much fun!! It does look like that gun has a kick!

  • @conifergreen2
    @conifergreen2 3 місяці тому

    You need to swab the bore from time to time when shooting black powder?

  • @NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER
    @NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER Рік тому

    You and capandball make some good content about muzzleloaders and antique arms but in very different approaches. I know this is a tall order, but would you consider looking at the henry single shot .45-70? Aside from that, this video was very entertaining and fresh compared to the SEA of videos of blowing watermelons up and Lucas Botkin type high speed shooting...
    I also wanted to ask, what is your most modern firearm that you own?

    • @Everythingblackpowder
      @Everythingblackpowder  Рік тому +2

      Thank you. I’m not a big fan of the new Henry guns. I own plenty of “new” modern of firearms.

  • @elenas4878
    @elenas4878 Рік тому +1

    For the sights I've seen a lot of crazy ideas on a site called British Military Forum but I don't know if they really work. I am thinking about installing a peep sight on one of my Sniders , a Williams sight or something like this but I don't have the sight yet so I don't know if it works.

  • @mattfleming86
    @mattfleming86 Рік тому +1

    You slipping into "BritishMuzzleloaders" bout made me spit my coffee.
    Great video as per usual. You're a persistent f'er you'll get it dialed in...
    How is the crown on the barrel? Do the groups shift any with powder charge? (sometimes it is easier to just bring the group towards the sights)
    And because of the vintage, can you confirm that the barrel is truly straight? Dropped off wagon/squished by horse/etc.

  • @papercartridges6705
    @papercartridges6705 Рік тому +2

    I see you have received my propaganda and have pinned it up on your wall.

  • @cameronlamb7274
    @cameronlamb7274 Рік тому +1

    Personally I’d skip the sizing die after converting the 24ga. I’d go for a shorter conical 440-480gr or so. I’m going to give the lee .58 REAL bullet a try one of these days might end you lapping out the bands.
    Most of these guns shoot high check British militaria forums for some reversible modifications to the sights.

  • @juanmacias418
    @juanmacias418 Рік тому +1

    my martini henry carbine can shoot MOA up to 200 yrds.... i got lucky it had a sub caliber insert, leaving the original rifling pristine. can't hit anything after 300 my eyes ain't what they used to be..

  • @johnparrish9215
    @johnparrish9215 Рік тому +1

    Honestly what I'd like to have is a GIANT Keith SWC bullet that would be like the 260 grain 45 Long Colt bullet just scaled up to 59 cal.
    The Snider acts like a giant pistol bullet, why not treat it like one.....LOL
    As far as keeping something original is concerned I would only worry about that if it was a Short Rifle or a rifle in really nice condition. One of those from Afghanistan I would probably JB weld a Red Dot onto and call it a day.

  • @keithmoore5306
    @keithmoore5306 Рік тому +1

    the problem with old guns like this is barrel steel and how it wears!! it's hard to match a bullet to the barrel because the different steels they used over production wear different! one might wear to.579 and another to .582 and so on!

    • @jonathanlewis453
      @jonathanlewis453 27 днів тому

      Unless it’s a Mk III, the barrel is iron.

    • @keithmoore5306
      @keithmoore5306 27 днів тому

      @@jonathanlewis453 iron or soft steel same problem so i consider the barrels to be the same there!!

  • @FrednDeeDee
    @FrednDeeDee Рік тому +1

    I would have adjusted the sights the second I knew for sure there the bullet was landing. Then dial the sights in to see how close a five shot group is. By the way dang good shooting.

  • @tacticaltarzan7278
    @tacticaltarzan7278 4 місяці тому

    She angry 👌

  • @timpille8495
    @timpille8495 Рік тому +1

    Have you slugged the barrel at all and how is the crown the crown will have you shooting off the crown is sometimes over looked it will give you bad accuracy if not right

  • @mattwhite9046
    @mattwhite9046 Рік тому +1

    Wait. Was that a slight flinch there at about 0:29 on your misfires? No judgment here -- I get them all the time with my flintlocks & sometimes even just a .22 if I'm being too lazy. You're still a better shooter than I am.

  • @RealDeanWinchester
    @RealDeanWinchester Рік тому +1

    All the cool kids say red dots are the best, try one of them 😂.

  • @SlurpieVR
    @SlurpieVR Рік тому +1

    Off topic….have you ever tried loading .22LR with black powder??

  • @StevenMMan
    @StevenMMan Рік тому +1

    Puts out a solid whack. You still think a larger bullet, or are you happy withe progress?.
    My order for custom molds have been both increased, and has been temporarily set back as I have acquired a new project for my single shot frames.
    It will be another rechamber.

  • @pprudowe
    @pprudowe Рік тому +1

    Question for you. On your black powder ballmill- what size pvc vessel length n diameter and what size and quantity of ball do you use? Thank you in advance!!!

    • @Everythingblackpowder
      @Everythingblackpowder  Рік тому +1

      4” diameter, 8” long

    • @paulprudowe6804
      @paulprudowe6804 Рік тому +1

      @@Everythingblackpowder what size balls... and how many. I want to buy brass in the right size n quantity due to one of your other videos... great channel!

    • @Everythingblackpowder
      @Everythingblackpowder  Рік тому +1

      I use 1/2 inch brass balls and I fill my jar about 1/3 of the way up with them.

    • @paulprudowe6804
      @paulprudowe6804 Рік тому

      @WillardMcBain do you know about how many you used? That is what I am looking for really. I don't want to order too many at the price they are! Thanks

    • @Everythingblackpowder
      @Everythingblackpowder  Рік тому +1

      @paulprudowe6804 at least 200

  • @senorduncan8735
    @senorduncan8735 Рік тому +1

    Why you do not use optics for this rifle?

  • @Kaelland
    @Kaelland Рік тому +1

    I guess welding a picatinny rail to the barrel and mounting a long eye relief scope is going a little too far...

  • @senorduncan8735
    @senorduncan8735 Рік тому +1

    What the velocity of this ?

    • @Everythingblackpowder
      @Everythingblackpowder  Рік тому

      I didn’t check because my chronograph doesn’t work when it’s cloudy and raining

  • @michal.abramowicz
    @michal.abramowicz Рік тому +1

    Dude, I can't hit target at 18 yards, so 180 is quite far away so next time can you just match for few seconds it by red arrow? I'm blind no glasses no target recognition ;)

  • @ronnieb7408
    @ronnieb7408 Рік тому +1

    I shoot a 22cal break barrel air rifle at a 16inch steel disc at 165yds that is similarly exciting as black powder long range shooting. The struggle is real when you extend the limits of your weapons. Good shooting

  • @senorduncan8735
    @senorduncan8735 Рік тому +1

    Why you use this old rifle? We want to see modern rifles on black powder or aluminium powder or blank powder

    • @leeblount7046
      @leeblount7046 Рік тому +4

      History and character, modern firearms lack both.

    • @canbrit4621
      @canbrit4621 Рік тому +2

      to quote a great man.... "just make your own damn video then!"

  • @oldmanpatriot1490
    @oldmanpatriot1490 Рік тому +1

    have you ever used Gordans stump remover to make BP????? it says it 99% kno3 and 1% calcium stearate

    • @Everythingblackpowder
      @Everythingblackpowder  Рік тому

      No. I use technical grade KN03. If you are going to use any kind of stump remover I would highly recommend purifying it at least once.

  • @GustavoCastillaEtherDreams
    @GustavoCastillaEtherDreams Рік тому

    Do you have instagram?

  • @chopsddy3
    @chopsddy3 Рік тому +1

    What you have to do is, screw your shootin’ eye in a little to the right. That’ll bring point of impact to the left. Consult your ophthalmologist.🙄………..🥸👍