You can always obtain a key blank and hand file a copy of any key yourself. Or you can be a little fancier and buy a Lishi key cutter or Dremel tool to get you started, then finish with some hand filing for the last few thousandths of an inch. With a little practice you'll be able to copy most keys in just a couple minutes. The fancy key cutting machines are nice, but at $4.00 a pop they're pretty expensive. As with most things, doing it yourself is not only cheaper, but educational as well.
$4 is expensive? You're kidding me right? Is $4 for toilet paper too expensive for you too? So you're telling people to spend $20 on sandpaper a file and a blank key just so they can copy possibly a single key?
@@I5ergeyI A Lishi key cutter is $15. You've made your money back after only 4 keys. I pay around $0.30 per residential blank since I usually buy packs of 50 for $15. (I'm a locksmith, so I tend to use one of my key machines, but the Lishi is handy when I need to make a key off-grid) And yes, $4 for toilet paper is a lot. I bought a bidet 7 years ago for $30 on Amazon, and now a roll of tp lasts me 6 months plus. The pandemic was amusing to me on that front.
One thing to keep in mind is that these machines are not serviced regularly serviced and usually only after a high volume of requested refunds. The cutting wheel or bit (depending on machine) wear down and the cuts are less accurate
@@HelpfulLockPicker I've done work for several chain big box stores and the consensus I've gotten is that techs only come to service the machines is when it's out of blanks or there are issues.
@@waterfall3 I'm not saying these systems are a bad thing. I have a store front and making duplicates of common keys are not a profit maker for me. Regardless of if it's a kiosk, big box store, or locksmith, good machine maintenance is important, but also the shape the key to be duplicated is in. Key duplicators (the old wheel kind or the mini cnc machine types) are like copy machines. They don't all copy the page you are copying exactly and originality of the key...if you're making a copy of a copy of a copy or it's a very worn key, the odds of the key being cut working go down.
Perfect, THANK YOU. I've been waiting & waiting for a second key from my apt complex for my daughter & have to wait up for her every night to get home from work. I'll just make one myself.
Tenets are supposed to have an extra set of keys. If the landlord only gives you one. You can make a Copy for emergencies and like a lot of us that lose the keys, it happens. I always have 3 extra lol. Believe me it's better than getting locked out. 🔒 Locksmiths are very expensive!
Now that is really neat. I had no idea this type of key duplicating machine was invented. It would be cool to have one at home!. Thanks for this video it was cool to see, cheers
Given that a key duplicator costs around $500 and a code machine costs around $2,000 I don't think you will find these machines for home use any time soon.
@@HelpfulLockPicker Indeed. I only know the prices because I have been looking. The pak a punch is no longer available and that is the way I would have gone if I could.
Because you probably got a real do not duplicate key. In today's standard all do not duplicate keys use a special key model which only can be done at a locksmith
Just put a piece of masking tape with "Back Gate" or some such over the stamping.... Or just go to a shop who isn't going to let irrelevant things prevent them from giving you service....
imagine owning a locksmith company catch a charge becasue you made a copy for someone who would go on and do illegal things with this copy. Maybe it isn't so irrelevant to the shop owner.
@@jakobgrey804 My father owned a shop for 30 years before he passed a few years ago. There's a difference between cops "assuming you are innocent" and a crime not being committed. If I make a t-shirt with "DO NOT WEAR THIS SHIRT" printed on it, will a cop arret me for it?
For uncommon keyways that aren't restricted. And I can't stress aren't restricted. You could get a decoder slide gauge card or caliper measure the bitting values and there are plenty of ebay locksmiths you tell them the keyway and bitting code they cut and send you the key no questions asked. Granted you have the delay of waiting for the post. But it broadens it to almost any unrestricted keyway
This only applies for standard keys like Schlage (non-primus), Kwikset, Weiser and Yale with a "do not duplicate" stamp on them. The stamp really does nothing and is more for aesthetics. For an actual restricted key with "do not duplicate" milled into the key such as a Mul-T-Lock, Medeco, or ASSA high-security lock, you will not be able to copy them.
@@HelpfulLockPicker Either it is a machine where you have to fully insert the key (ergo a roller "draws in" the whole key including the bow) and scans the bow with OCR. Or there is a camera just where the key slot is, that films the bow and checks for "Do not duplicate" or "Do not copy" stamps. Propably it has now stored the key code as "do not duplicate" in its memory too, so next time you try with a modified or filed key, it will reject the duplicate based on the stored key code. And since these machines are usually networked, your key code is propably blacklisted at every machine of the same vendor.
@@sebastiannielsen on a 5 pin key there are 9 combinations, so 9^5 = 531,441. I’m willing to bet that kwikset and schlage have each made millions of similar locks. Unless I’m doing the math wrong
Or you go to a locksmith supply store and purchase 10 blanks (for about $3.50) and you file your own. It will take longer, but you will have learned a new skill.
First, I see some locksmiths that are really "pissed off" at these machines "stealing" their business. Secondly if the kiosk machine is not properly calibrated and maintained, your key will perhaps not work. Thirdly I don't think any locksmith would refuse to duplicate specifically a Kwikset key or Schlage 5 pin key so marked (rather unusual to see a Kwikset or Schlage 5 pin key so marked anyway). Fourthly I think the kiosk generally will make a far better "code cut" copy, than the unskilled employees of most "big box" stores duplicating your key manually.
I'd love to use the kiosk. In my experience, the people at the hardware stores take 15 minutes digging through blanks, until either sending me away, or waiting for a more experienced employee to help. I'd say 1 in 5 keys don't work, and need extra work. At the actual locksmith shop, nearly every time I go, there's a line, or they can't get it done until hours later.
Most big box retailers use key machines that are functionally the same as the machine in this video. Insert key....tells you "insert blank 66"....code cuts the key.... There's nothing "manual" about it....other than a human grabbing the blank, it's the same....
The "do not duplicate" on a domestic profile is a business approach for Locksmiths to get repeat business. It is only there to deter key cutters like your local hardware or Mr Minit to refuse to duplicate out of ignorance. If on the other hand, the key was "embossed" with do not duplicate/restricted then you wouldn't be getting that key duplicated anywhere except through the registered Locksmith who holds the intellectual rights and registration of the profile and the person wanting the duplicate would have to be one of two signatories. That's the way it works down under. That being said, the key shown is just a garden variety KWS blank with lipstick. Interesting process though. Have a good one:-)
The old way was to sandwich the key in question between two pieces of oil based clay, then later carve a sprue into the clay and pour in a low melting point metal such as tin or bismuth. Lead free plumbing solder will do. This technique dates back to Victorian times that I know of.
I have a Restricted gate key that the association will charge $250 should I lose it. It has the Locksmith Co on it and I would imagine that I would not be able to take that to an automated machine to copy.
This could be a problem for people like me that need the security of keys not to be duplicated. Thankfully the one in particular I use at work is very unusual in that the keyway has lots of warding.
I tried to copy a Wilson Bohanan padlock key, Not very common, It was similar to Schlage so it copied onto that blank. Obviously it didn't work and i had to wait 3 weeks for a refund certificate to come in the mail. As this machine was in a Walmart the certificate was a Walmart gift card.
the ones ive seen only do schlage and kwikset, period. car keys often need a chip activated or something similar, its more than just cuts on newer cars.
Does this machine also cut away the horizontal grooves as well as the vertical ones? I wonder as it seems to have a lot of decorated keys and depending on how many types of blanks are in there, that machine does not seem big enough to hold that many types. To elaborate, I used to have a side job when younger in a store in the Netherlands duplicating keys and we had nearly blanks for all types of locks one finds around here, but as such we had a small wall full of blank types and only a few decorated ones. If we had that many options of decorations as that machine had, we'd need a LOT more blanks. Or do you guys in the US (I presume) only need few blank types for all common locks?
I have a question, I've never figured out how a worn out key continues to work properly, how does it not fail? Aren't the pins worn out too? Why is it that, logically through time both, the pins and the key are worn out, and thus the length of the pins are reduced, and the valleys and peaks in the key are modified because of the wearing out, the key continues to work properly?
@@HelpfulLockPicker yes, that is obvious, but the pins that enter in direct contact with the key and the key both loose material right? But the other half of pins, the ones in the outside cylinder, those remain the same or wear out way less because they have less friction right? Then how is it that those pins, the ones in the outside cylinder, don't end up farther into the key slot preventing the key from properly function?
Locks are built with tolerances large enough to compensate for expected normal use and wear, temperature variations, exposure to dust, dirt, and pocket lint etc. We think of them as being precision machines but they aren't because they wouldn't be useful if they were. If you look closely at pins you'll see they're rounded or beveled slightly to make "almost fits" still work as the rounded section ramps across the shear line. Even truly square-ended pins would wear rounded in use. Discs, wafers, and gates are done similarly for the same reasons. Also in using a key there's usually some movement of the key in the cylinder (and of the cylinder itself) like the jiggling motion used in rake picking and key bumping which assists in moving the pins/discs/wafers/gates into place. So with all this sloppiness involved, wear of any part is only a small factor in the overall picture, and that's why well-worn keys and locks still function.
Agreed. Many systems nowadays are coming out with floating elements in the key and many different keyways for the same product to make this even harder. Just because you have a Mul-T-Lock key for example, doesn't mean it will fit in my lock because my floating element in the key is different than yours and so is the keyway. This makes it impossible for anyone to have all the blanks because there can be thousands of them for the same product line.
They are key profiles that aren't standard like the boring old Kwikset ones. The key profiles will often have more warding in them than the common 1 or 2 and the most important feature is that the blanks can only be cut by the locksmith that cut the originals and the blanks themselves generally cannot be sourced except by licenced locksmiths. If you can't get access to a blank it makes it next to impossible to get a key duplicated.
Of you go to lowes or home depot the key making dept basically is one of these machines that's for employees to use only... Those guys don't know anything about keys or locks you could just sand off the do not duplicate on the bow.. I've been through all the hillman blanks though and they don't have much selection... I want to take one of my custom cut homemade pin keys from a challenge lock up there lol.. I'm sure the machine will get confused with oddball heights and nothing resembling and manufacturer macs specs.. I remember the old key cutting machines where a tracing rod was attached to a cutting bit and it just ran over the original key mounted and used it as a guide to cut the copy.. that would work... I'm digressing again... Cool idea and cool video as always stab! Do one where you convert a 5 pin american cylinder to a 6 by cutting the stop back a little on the key... 1100s are begging for it!...
@@HelpfulLockPicker yeah... I been doing it because it's easy and I don't have to buy a blank.. most of mine have that oversized key..... A blank would be great... You video got the rebel side of me going and I got excited lol....
@@HelpfulLockPicker No, if they don't carry the key blank, they will say just that. Some machines have a laser or camera that scans the key bow and if it detects "Do not duplicate", it will respect that, and sometimes even blacklist the keycode, this after complaints from landlord where a tenant copy a key, then enters the apartment when the next tenant have moved in.
Used this exact same machine at Lowes...got a message that said "sorry can't duplicate your key" Used a "KeyMe" kiosk at menards and it cut 4 keys..none of which worked on the lock
I look my keys in often... I rent (@ 41 I'm still not sure yet, where I wanna own a home... point is I'm 41, it's not like I've only rented one or two places...) so I have these DND keys often, and without the landloard's permission often against the lease, I get a duplicate anyways every time. This is not for malicious or nefarious purposes mind you, all I do with it is have my mom hold on to it in case I lock my keys in again, then I can just use my hidden back-up truck key, drive to mom's and get my emergency copy... this saves me the $45 fee of having the landloard come unlock it with his spare... I always explain what I did and give the extra key back when I move. Only once has a landloard gotten nasty about it. Anyways the method I use is to just go to the hardware store and ask them to copy it with confidence and they usually don't question in, and when they do it's usually something like 'This key goes to a lock you own, right?' and I just lie and say 'yep'... I mean what do you expect people to ask for? a deed? Lol really? It's usually just enforced with the honor system... which I violate because I know that I'm not doing anything malicious, nefarious, mischievious, or irresponsible, I'm just saving money. So I bend the rules a little, but only cuz I know I'm not doing anything bad.
@@HelpfulLockPicker as you can no doubt tell by my word choice that I'm aware of, but you are not wrong, I cannot, in good conscience, advocate others do the same, as there is risk in violating once lease.
One of my stores has a normal key (I can't remember what it is) but it has do not duplicate on it. I have always just used the machines for this. OH be careful about card skimmers on those machines I got snagged once. However my other store has a medeco lock and its key says do not duplicate. Which really has me screwed. To get a new key is expensive. I have tried to get my store owners to replace the lock as its like 40 years old (and I want to old lock) but they wont listen and now we only have 4 keys which sucks when you have 6 people who can all open and close the store.
This really isnt a how to video tho. "Take it to a vending machine" isnt really a "technique". Theres nothing special about a do not duplicate key. The biting is all the same.
Do you know what type of key you had? Kwikset (KW1), Schlage (SC1)? If you have a "Do Not Duplicate" key which is uncommon or restricted the machine most likely does not carry the keyblank.
Good video but most do not duplicate keys require special cuts done on special machines to cut them that only the original key maker has access to. This type of do not duplicate key is a very common key with cheap cut low end key design.
This video made my copying machine sentient and it resents me for forcing it to do illegal things and concealing the DO NOT DUPLICATE side. Thank you very much!
Very interesting! This could be sort of dangerous information in the wrong hands though, but so is lockpicking itself I guess... I've used one of these machines before and they are so incredibly user friendly but I've never even considered their role in locksport. Now I'm curious what would happen if I stuck some crazy key in there? How would the machine respond to a Schlage Primus key? What about a hand filed challenge lock key? However, I'm not going to test this myself out of fear of breaking a very expensive machine and being liable for damages...
I’m a bit confused about one aspect of all this though; at the very end he says “I can’t wait to see you in the next video”. So does he mean to say that he’s able to see us when we watch his videos? Damn….. and I watched it wearing nothing (it’s a long story, nothing weird though, seriously). I should’ve known; he’s a dude who can cut keys after all.
Well.. if you think about it.. if the key does not belong to you then you should never duplicate it.. right ? why do we need little messages on the keys.. lol
Thanks for checking it out and unfortunately Do Not Duplicate doesn't really mean anything. However if you have a restricted keyway and you are a locksmith that needs to be vetted by the manufacturer to be supplied with blanks and are required to check a lock ID card that makes a big difference
As a locksmith, I can't believe you promo this. when I just got into locksmith, you are the first one I suscribed. I found your channel have changed big time. I just unsubscribed. sorry.
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You can always obtain a key blank and hand file a copy of any key yourself. Or you can be a little fancier and buy a Lishi key cutter or Dremel tool to get you started, then finish with some hand filing for the last few thousandths of an inch. With a little practice you'll be able to copy most keys in just a couple minutes. The fancy key cutting machines are nice, but at $4.00 a pop they're pretty expensive. As with most things, doing it yourself is not only cheaper, but educational as well.
Thanks for sharing!
$4 is expensive? You're kidding me right? Is $4 for toilet paper too expensive for you too? So you're telling people to spend $20 on sandpaper a file and a blank key just so they can copy possibly a single key?
@@I5ergeyI A Lishi key cutter is $15. You've made your money back after only 4 keys. I pay around $0.30 per residential blank since I usually buy packs of 50 for $15. (I'm a locksmith, so I tend to use one of my key machines, but the Lishi is handy when I need to make a key off-grid)
And yes, $4 for toilet paper is a lot. I bought a bidet 7 years ago for $30 on Amazon, and now a roll of tp lasts me 6 months plus. The pandemic was amusing to me on that front.
Best response ever. @@Jolly_Green23
One thing to keep in mind is that these machines are not serviced regularly serviced and usually only after a high volume of requested refunds. The cutting wheel or bit (depending on machine) wear down and the cuts are less accurate
I still like that they are code cut. Duplicators are a hit or miss but they are more than likely serviced more often as you referenced
Never had a problem with these minute key machines. Faithfully copied 4 of my keys at 4 different times at such a low cost
@@HelpfulLockPicker I've done work for several chain big box stores and the consensus I've gotten is that techs only come to service the machines is when it's out of blanks or there are issues.
@@waterfall3 I'm not saying these systems are a bad thing. I have a store front and making duplicates of common keys are not a profit maker for me. Regardless of if it's a kiosk, big box store, or locksmith, good machine maintenance is important, but also the shape the key to be duplicated is in. Key duplicators (the old wheel kind or the mini cnc machine types) are like copy machines. They don't all copy the page you are copying exactly and originality of the key...if you're making a copy of a copy of a copy or it's a very worn key, the odds of the key being cut working go down.
Perfect, THANK YOU. I've been waiting & waiting for a second key from my apt complex for my daughter & have to wait up for her every night to get home from work. I'll just make one myself.
Thank you for sharing. As long as your landlord is okay with that
Tenets are supposed to have an extra set of keys. If the landlord only gives you one. You can make a Copy for emergencies and like a lot of us that lose the keys, it happens. I always have 3 extra lol. Believe me it's better than getting locked out. 🔒 Locksmiths are very expensive!
Now that is really neat. I had no idea this type of key duplicating machine was invented. It would be cool to have one at home!. Thanks for this video it was cool to see, cheers
It is a cool machine. It is nice it code cuts just in case you have a less than perfect key
Given that a key duplicator costs around $500 and a code machine costs around $2,000 I don't think you will find these machines for home use any time soon.
@@adammorris8112 one can still wish
@@HelpfulLockPicker Indeed. I only know the prices because I have been looking. The pak a punch is no longer available and that is the way I would have gone if I could.
I tried that and it still was not going to duplicate my key
Home Depot's key machine told me to go F myself when i tried to make a copy
Not me, I persuaded it with sand paper.
I tried duplicating my “do not duplicate” key in a machine and somehow the machine knew not to duplicate it and I couldn’t do it.
Thank you for sharing
Because you probably got a real do not duplicate key. In today's standard all do not duplicate keys use a special key model which only can be done at a locksmith
It’s the nubs at the bottom
Just put a piece of masking tape with "Back Gate" or some such over the stamping....
Or just go to a shop who isn't going to let irrelevant things prevent them from giving you service....
Thanks for sharing
imagine owning a locksmith company catch a charge becasue you made a copy for someone who would go on and do illegal things with this copy. Maybe it isn't so irrelevant to the shop owner.
@@jakobgrey804 Assuming you aren't a conspirator involved in copying the key in furtherance of a crime, you cannot catch a charge for copying a key.
@@pullt Yeah and cops "assume" everyone is innocent right? lol Maybe you don't own a shop and don't understand the risk.
@@jakobgrey804 My father owned a shop for 30 years before he passed a few years ago. There's a difference between cops "assuming you are innocent" and a crime not being committed.
If I make a t-shirt with "DO NOT WEAR THIS SHIRT" printed on it, will a cop arret me for it?
Thanks so much. I will give it a go. Lost mine and the agency is charging $50 to replace a key.
Thanks for sharing
No thank you
Same here, they are thieves! That's why we find other ways. I researched it and other places do it for way cheaper. Nmh.
For uncommon keyways that aren't restricted. And I can't stress aren't restricted. You could get a decoder slide gauge card or caliper measure the bitting values and there are plenty of ebay locksmiths you tell them the keyway and bitting code they cut and send you the key no questions asked. Granted you have the delay of waiting for the post. But it broadens it to almost any unrestricted keyway
Thanks for sharing. Funny enough decoding with a caliper might be my next video I have uploaded for Wednesday
This only applies for standard keys like Schlage (non-primus), Kwikset, Weiser and Yale with a "do not duplicate" stamp on them. The stamp really does nothing and is more for aesthetics. For an actual restricted key with "do not duplicate" milled into the key such as a Mul-T-Lock, Medeco, or ASSA high-security lock, you will not be able to copy them.
I agree, and that is why I mentioned that in the video
I tried Schlauge in Wal-Mart one minute key machine (Do not duplicate key) and it did not work
Tried this at Home depot once, machine detected it was a do not duplicate. Might try with some tape over the stamping and see if that helps
I wonder how it did that. that modified approach seems reasonable though
This happened with me too. I tried to copy the " Do not duplicate" key in One minute key machine. It did not work. 😩
@@HelpfulLockPicker Either it is a machine where you have to fully insert the key (ergo a roller "draws in" the whole key including the bow) and scans the bow with OCR.
Or there is a camera just where the key slot is, that films the bow and checks for "Do not duplicate" or "Do not copy" stamps.
Propably it has now stored the key code as "do not duplicate" in its memory too, so next time you try with a modified or filed key, it will reject the duplicate based on the stored key code.
And since these machines are usually networked, your key code is propably blacklisted at every machine of the same vendor.
@@sebastiannielsen that would be bad tho because it’s not a statistical improbability that every key is different
@@sebastiannielsen on a 5 pin key there are 9 combinations, so 9^5 = 531,441. I’m willing to bet that kwikset and schlage have each made millions of similar locks. Unless I’m doing the math wrong
Or you go to a locksmith supply store and purchase 10 blanks (for about $3.50) and you file your own. It will take longer, but you will have learned a new skill.
Thanks for sharing
First, I see some locksmiths that are really "pissed off" at these machines "stealing" their business. Secondly if the kiosk machine is not properly calibrated and maintained, your key will perhaps not work. Thirdly I don't think any locksmith would refuse to duplicate specifically a Kwikset key or Schlage 5 pin key so marked (rather unusual to see a Kwikset or Schlage 5 pin key so marked anyway). Fourthly I think the kiosk generally will make a far better "code cut" copy, than the unskilled employees of most "big box" stores duplicating your key manually.
I'd love to use the kiosk. In my experience, the people at the hardware stores take 15 minutes digging through blanks, until either sending me away, or waiting for a more experienced employee to help. I'd say 1 in 5 keys don't work, and need extra work. At the actual locksmith shop, nearly every time I go, there's a line, or they can't get it done until hours later.
Most big box retailers use key machines that are functionally the same as the machine in this video. Insert key....tells you "insert blank 66"....code cuts the key....
There's nothing "manual" about it....other than a human grabbing the blank, it's the same....
@@pullt Can't say I've seen one of those around here, just the old tracing style cutters. I do live basically nowhere though, so no surprise.
Thanks for sharing!
@@IBWatchinUrVids this is a fair point
The "do not duplicate" on a domestic profile is a business approach for Locksmiths to get repeat business. It is only there to deter key cutters like your local hardware or Mr Minit to refuse to duplicate out of ignorance. If on the other hand, the key was "embossed" with do not duplicate/restricted then you wouldn't be getting that key duplicated anywhere except through the registered Locksmith who holds the intellectual rights and registration of the profile and the person wanting the duplicate would have to be one of two signatories. That's the way it works down under. That being said, the key shown is just a garden variety KWS blank with lipstick. Interesting process though. Have a good one:-)
Thanks for checking it out
You forgot to duplicate "Do Not Duplicate" label.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Those machines give me a “key cannot be read.” error. Is there another workaround?
If you key was hand filed that would make sense. If not, maybe it is a key they don't support
The old way was to sandwich the key in question between two pieces of oil based clay, then later carve a sprue into the clay and pour in a low melting point metal such as tin or bismuth. Lead free plumbing solder will do. This technique dates back to Victorian times that I know of.
Thank you for sharing. People are even doing it with 3d printers now
Wrong
I’ve tried 2 different machines none of the key works:/
Thank you for sharing
I have a Restricted gate key that the association will charge $250 should I lose it. It has the Locksmith Co on it and I would imagine that I would not be able to take that to an automated machine to copy.
It all depends if the blank is stocked or not. If it is a restricted / uncommon blank not easy to go around that
This could be a problem for people like me that need the security of keys not to be duplicated. Thankfully the one in particular I use at work is very unusual in that the keyway has lots of warding.
Thanks for sharing!
I don't think I have ever seen one of these machines before. Nice demo. What happens if you use an uncommon keyway?
It will likely just tell you they don't carry the blank
I tried to copy a Wilson Bohanan padlock key, Not very common, It was similar to Schlage so it copied onto that blank. Obviously it didn't work and i had to wait 3 weeks for a refund certificate to come in the mail. As this machine was in a Walmart the certificate was a Walmart gift card.
Do you know if those electronica machines also make car keys?
the ones ive seen only do schlage and kwikset, period. car keys often need a chip activated or something similar, its more than just cuts on newer cars.
I am not sure about the one I used today but I am pretty sure the one at the mall near me does basic car keys
Does this machine also cut away the horizontal grooves as well as the vertical ones? I wonder as it seems to have a lot of decorated keys and depending on how many types of blanks are in there, that machine does not seem big enough to hold that many types.
To elaborate, I used to have a side job when younger in a store in the Netherlands duplicating keys and we had nearly blanks for all types of locks one finds around here, but as such we had a small wall full of blank types and only a few decorated ones. If we had that many options of decorations as that machine had, we'd need a LOT more blanks. Or do you guys in the US (I presume) only need few blank types for all common locks?
I think it only does edge cutting and stocks only a handful of types of blanks
I have a question, I've never figured out how a worn out key continues to work properly, how does it not fail? Aren't the pins worn out too? Why is it that, logically through time both, the pins and the key are worn out, and thus the length of the pins are reduced, and the valleys and peaks in the key are modified because of the wearing out, the key continues to work properly?
The key and key pins wear down together
@@HelpfulLockPicker yes, that is obvious, but the pins that enter in direct contact with the key and the key both loose material right? But the other half of pins, the ones in the outside cylinder, those remain the same or wear out way less because they have less friction right? Then how is it that those pins, the ones in the outside cylinder, don't end up farther into the key slot preventing the key from properly function?
Locks are built with tolerances large enough to compensate for expected normal use and wear, temperature variations, exposure to dust, dirt, and pocket lint etc. We think of them as being precision machines but they aren't because they wouldn't be useful if they were. If you look closely at pins you'll see they're rounded or beveled slightly to make "almost fits" still work as the rounded section ramps across the shear line. Even truly square-ended pins would wear rounded in use. Discs, wafers, and gates are done similarly for the same reasons. Also in using a key there's usually some movement of the key in the cylinder (and of the cylinder itself) like the jiggling motion used in rake picking and key bumping which assists in moving the pins/discs/wafers/gates into place. So with all this sloppiness involved, wear of any part is only a small factor in the overall picture, and that's why well-worn keys and locks still function.
Where we can find that machine?
This one was at Lowes or Home Depot
Thanks for the information. Very well explained.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for your sharing!
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Home depot might not duplicate it, but any locksmith will.
Any Locksmith worth his salt won't.
Thanks for sharing!
Not without proof that you either have permission or are the owner of the where that key goes to.
I tried to do mine in the machine at Walmart and it didn't let me 😭 I was pissed
That is sad to hear
@@HelpfulLockPicker don't be a smart ass 🤣
When the machines start to accept Abloy Protec or Medemo M3, I would worry more about it. Kwikset locks are just fancy No Entry signs.
Lol
Agreed. Many systems nowadays are coming out with floating elements in the key and many different keyways for the same product to make this even harder. Just because you have a Mul-T-Lock key for example, doesn't mean it will fit in my lock because my floating element in the key is different than yours and so is the keyway. This makes it impossible for anyone to have all the blanks because there can be thousands of them for the same product line.
If someone is going to the extent of trying to get a key not duplicated then they need a kick in the nuts if they aren't using restricted blanks.
I agree, that is a much better approach for key control
Never heard of restricted blanks, how do these work?
They are key profiles that aren't standard like the boring old Kwikset ones. The key profiles will often have more warding in them than the common 1 or 2 and the most important feature is that the blanks can only be cut by the locksmith that cut the originals and the blanks themselves generally cannot be sourced except by licenced locksmiths. If you can't get access to a blank it makes it next to impossible to get a key duplicated.
It's also great for making copy of your bump key. The machine don't ask question...
However, some locks like Kwikset you will need to file the tip down for better performance
Nice. Haven’t tried one of those machines yet.
Thanks for the information!
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Thanks Chris
Good video,thank you for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it
Start here: 02:39
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Of you go to lowes or home depot the key making dept basically is one of these machines that's for employees to use only... Those guys don't know anything about keys or locks you could just sand off the do not duplicate on the bow.. I've been through all the hillman blanks though and they don't have much selection... I want to take one of my custom cut homemade pin keys from a challenge lock up there lol.. I'm sure the machine will get confused with oddball heights and nothing resembling and manufacturer macs specs.. I remember the old key cutting machines where a tracing rod was attached to a cutting bit and it just ran over the original key mounted and used it as a guide to cut the copy.. that would work... I'm digressing again... Cool idea and cool video as always stab! Do one where you convert a 5 pin american cylinder to a 6 by cutting the stop back a little on the key... 1100s are begging for it!...
Thanks for sharing! Wouldn't it be easier to just get a 6 pin key blank though?
@@HelpfulLockPicker yeah... I been doing it because it's easy and I don't have to buy a blank.. most of mine have that oversized key..... A blank would be great... You video got the rebel side of me going and I got excited lol....
I went to a key machine, and it gave me an error saying it couldn't duplicate "do not duplicate."
They likely don't carry the blank
@@HelpfulLockPicker so there is hope? I'll have to try and find another one.
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@@HelpfulLockPicker No, if they don't carry the key blank, they will say just that. Some machines have a laser or camera that scans the key bow and if it detects "Do not duplicate", it will respect that, and sometimes even blacklist the keycode, this after complaints from landlord where a tenant copy a key, then enters the apartment when the next tenant have moved in.
Now the key’s copy doesn’t say “do not duplicate” do you can make as many copies as you want!!
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if the key belongs to you then go crazy and make hundreds if you want!! lol
I need the Do not Duplicate part duplicated anyone know how :/
you need to buy a stamp
Went to copy a Do Not Duplicate key at multiple copy key kiosks and none of the machines would copy them.
Was it a blank the machine carried?
Why did the duplicate have those hole 🕳 openings where the handle of they key is???
It is the branding of the blank
I have tryed this same thing but the key never worked idk why
Used this exact same machine at Lowes...got a message that said "sorry can't duplicate your key"
Used a "KeyMe" kiosk at menards and it cut 4 keys..none of which worked on the lock
Thank you for sharing. Was it a common key or a profile it doesn't carry?
Here I am trying to figure out a way around this just so my big head boyfriend can have a key to my place lol
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my key was to thick to slide in the key slot on the key machine
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That's a lie....
Walmart and lowes has these machines and it'll say....cannot duplicate
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I took my "Do not Duplicate" key to Ace Hardware and they had the same key blank with Do Not Duplicate on it. They cut the new key no problem.
Thank you, that is not always the case but I am glad it worked out well
I look my keys in often... I rent (@ 41 I'm still not sure yet, where I wanna own a home... point is I'm 41, it's not like I've only rented one or two places...) so I have these DND keys often, and without the landloard's permission often against the lease, I get a duplicate anyways every time. This is not for malicious or nefarious purposes mind you, all I do with it is have my mom hold on to it in case I lock my keys in again, then I can just use my hidden back-up truck key, drive to mom's and get my emergency copy... this saves me the $45 fee of having the landloard come unlock it with his spare... I always explain what I did and give the extra key back when I move. Only once has a landloard gotten nasty about it. Anyways the method I use is to just go to the hardware store and ask them to copy it with confidence and they usually don't question in, and when they do it's usually something like 'This key goes to a lock you own, right?' and I just lie and say 'yep'... I mean what do you expect people to ask for? a deed? Lol really? It's usually just enforced with the honor system... which I violate because I know that I'm not doing anything malicious, nefarious, mischievious, or irresponsible, I'm just saving money. So I bend the rules a little, but only cuz I know I'm not doing anything bad.
Thank you for sharing. It is not a good idea to not follow your lease. Thank you for checking out the video
@@HelpfulLockPicker as you can no doubt tell by my word choice that I'm aware of, but you are not wrong, I cannot, in good conscience, advocate others do the same, as there is risk in violating once lease.
One of my stores has a normal key (I can't remember what it is) but it has do not duplicate on it. I have always just used the machines for this. OH be careful about card skimmers on those machines I got snagged once. However my other store has a medeco lock and its key says do not duplicate. Which really has me screwed. To get a new key is expensive. I have tried to get my store owners to replace the lock as its like 40 years old (and I want to old lock) but they wont listen and now we only have 4 keys which sucks when you have 6 people who can all open and close the store.
That is unfortunate. I agree, card scammers can be unfortunate as well. Luckily I bought mine on a gift card
Any 40 year old lock probably has more keys out there in the wild from former employees, it's just they don't know who's got them.
This really isnt a how to video tho. "Take it to a vending machine" isnt really a "technique".
Theres nothing special about a do not duplicate key. The biting is all the same.
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Idk how you got that to work. I went to do this at Lowe's and it DID NOT WORK for my "do not duplicate" key. And it looks like yours.
Do you know what type of key you had? Kwikset (KW1), Schlage (SC1)? If you have a "Do Not Duplicate" key which is uncommon or restricted the machine most likely does not carry the keyblank.
Good video but most do not duplicate keys require special cuts done on special machines to cut them that only the original key maker has access to. This type of do not duplicate key is a very common key with cheap cut low end key design.
I agree but this video is aimed more at people trying to duplicate common locks
I need my pool key duplicated ASAP I lost
I need my pool key duplicated as I lost the 2nd key.
This video made my copying machine sentient and it resents me for forcing it to do illegal things and concealing the DO NOT DUPLICATE side. Thank you very much!
Thanks for sharing!
just bring it to any store that cuts keys ,they have never told me no .they dont care .back in the day was different but not nowdays .
To be honest that key don’t and shouldn’t count…. Basically a common key with DND engraved on it
Nice
Thank you
These machines are ripe for abuse. They could be storing your key regardless and linking it to your credit card would give them your address.
I agree the convenience is a bit sketchy. Luckily I bought mine on a gift card and it was a random key
Worse, some of them have apps where you can take a photo of your key and they will store it and cut it for you remotely...
A pool gate or gate key will not get duplicated at this machine.
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Very interesting! This could be sort of dangerous information in the wrong hands though, but so is lockpicking itself I guess...
I've used one of these machines before and they are so incredibly user friendly but I've never even considered their role in locksport. Now I'm curious what would happen if I stuck some crazy key in there? How would the machine respond to a Schlage Primus key? What about a hand filed challenge lock key? However, I'm not going to test this myself out of fear of breaking a very expensive machine and being liable for damages...
I can attest to the hand filed he. I made a poorly made one once and it said it couldn't recognize it probably because my cuts weren't completely flat
And somewhere in the depths of the internet in some database your credit card is now linked to your key.
Luckily this was on a gift card and to a key which didn't go to anything. I agree though, for the typical person it is a bit sketchy
Looks like the bitting code is 62451 (based on visual at the beginning of the video)
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That’s a cool machine
Thanks for checking it out
Good to know 👍
Thanks for checking it out!
It’s on a defiant of course it’s gonna work good not much there to trick
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Love the new camera! Never saw an automated key machine before 👍
I am having fun with my GoPro. Thanks for checking it out 😀
@@HelpfulLockPicker oh.... I thought it was that new "microscope cam" you bought that you were using 🤦♂️
@@Twobarpsi nope but that one is fun to use too. Just the manual focus can be a pain
@@HelpfulLockPicker ahhh ok. Great video either way!!
These machines are in every home improvement box store in my area. They work great.
Thanks for sharing. I agree, sometimes they can make a better key than what you brought in because it code cuts it
I'm pretty sure that machine runs on a "Flux Capacitor."
LOL, I think you might be onto something!
Wtf!? This is new to anyone????
Yup
All key machines don’t allow u to make a key out of a duplicate key
I’m a bit confused about one aspect of all this though; at the very end he says “I can’t wait to see you in the next video”. So does he mean to say that he’s able to see us when we watch his videos?
Damn….. and I watched it wearing nothing (it’s a long story, nothing weird though, seriously). I should’ve known; he’s a dude who can cut keys after all.
I had a do not duplicate key that I needed to copy & the machine wouldn't do it. I did it the same way you did...and it told me. NO 👎
Was it because it was an uncommon key blank type?
I 3d print the key
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The do not duplicate key is not the original it's also a copy.
Original should say defiant
Home Depot machine does not have the key blanks. What a bunch of bull***t
Shared
file the "do not duplicate" and copy anywhere
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Just ask them to do it and if they won't, ask to see their manager. If I'm paying you to make a key, I expect you to make a key. It's not illegal.
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No se entiende duplicar llaves explike para un cerrajero escribamos en castellano para darle.i opinión
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Well.. if you think about it.. if the key does not belong to you then you should never duplicate it.. right ? why do we need little messages on the keys.. lol
Thank you for sharing your thoughts
Just about like No Parking signs.
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Step 1: Go to key maker machine!
Correct
Well, i thought this video was a joke, it's obvious there is no real protection
Thanks for checking it out and unfortunately Do Not Duplicate doesn't really mean anything. However if you have a restricted keyway and you are a locksmith that needs to be vetted by the manufacturer to be supplied with blanks and are required to check a lock ID card that makes a big difference
Just take it to a minute key kiosk lol
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Just buy a key cloning machine of amazon
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hahahhahahahahahaha Excellent !!!
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My hoa charging $300 for a new pool key. Lame
Just don't copy locks you aren't supposed to copy
Or just go to minute key at Walmart lol
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Sorry that don't work
Not so try a real do not duplicate these machines are smart and will not copy key
Or, take it to just about any hardware store. They almost never bother.
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In respect to the person or company that wanted a better control of who has their key and who dose not, I give you a thumbs down.
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A 6 minute long video, just to say..." Take it to an automated key maker".
Are you serious?
Yes
As a locksmith, I can't believe you promo this. when I just got into locksmith, you are the first one I suscribed. I found your channel have changed big time. I just unsubscribed. sorry.
Thank you for sharing. I am having fun doing some different videos and I do appreciate the feedback