The real life story of Heera Mandi
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Heera Mandi, the oldest red-light district of Lahore, has a history which goes back centuries. The women who lived there were celebrated dancers and poets, and even helped in India's Independence movement. This is their story.
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Just finished watching this series, absolutely wonderful work by the SLB team! The colours, music, art in the movie is so historic! Manisha Koirala and Aditi Rao have nailed in acting!
Similar to the geisha culture in Japan especially in Kyoto & also courtesan of kabukicho
I was just about to say this!!!!
Courtesans the world over share many similarities. That is what makes them so fascinating. They hold a place in society in which no other woman of that time can. Patriarchal society expectations and strict gender rolls force most women into domestic servitude and/or marriage. Courtesans do neither. They earn their own income, earn respect and renown, and can even run their own businesses without ever getting married. They had a level of freedom most women would never experience. But it came at a price, as most were sold into the profession at childhood and raised without a second option. The Gisaeng of Korea, for example, were state owned slaves and forced to retire at a fairly young age, although afterwards they could run a business or get married. Geisha and tawaif were also often sold into it. They may be required to sleep with patrons, though not always. And when a courtesan fell from grace, she had along way to fall. I love that this show captures those elements, in particular it shows the danger of falling in love as a courtesan because not only could your heart be crushed, but your entire life, your career, your income, everything.
I was about to say this too. It's very similar to memoirs of a geisha.
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Like courtesan were respected in North, in south we have a group of women called Devadasi they do temple works and dedicated their life for god and perform dance and music in the temples they were so respected as equal to god during the indian rulers, its during the British era these women were forced to prostitution and their heir were also turned to be sex workers😢 so sad that even that name was considered as bad word now , but that word is actually respected in those days.
What Sanjay did to one of Indian language and nobody is talking in India.
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Absolute rubbish. Do you mean to say that Rajas and nawabs were decent men and only visited tawaifs and devadasis to hear them sing before the Britishers came. Well the devadasis were and are even today the keeps of rich men. Those helpless women were bullied into believing that they were serving the deity by having sex with patrons. In fact the Britishers opened the eyes of Indians living in a fatalistic world where everyone thought that devadasis were born to serve as a matter of fate.
Fake news ... British were the ones who oppose these things
@@SD-fk8bt Spoken like a true colonizer haha, countries develop on their own time and at their own capacity. Its most likely true that only nobility visited Tawaifs at that time to experience dance, appreciation for women, music, etc. the only ppl that made Tawaifs and the art that they bring a bad connotation were the literal British lmao. They saw them as prostitutes during the most conservative eras of the British empire, the Victorian era. When in reality they were just artists performing that just happened to be hooking up w/ their clientele, in modern day terms that's just hooking up lmfao... yes they were paid but paid for their art and performances, not only sex.
Btw, the only thing the British did was pillage, rape, and destroy the East. Don't compliment them when they literally are an empire built off the backs of slaves and the indentured
Do not compare a God loving devdasi who are pure to tawaif n geisha
A Pakistani here if you think that this series is historically accurate then you are dead wrong there is nothing accurate in this series except the lavish and immoral life style of the Nawabs so if you want to watch the series as a piece of entertainment then yes it's a good story the scenes and music and dressing and dialogues are top notch but don't watch it as a historical series there is nothing historical about it
nobody's listening so you can stop now
Care to explain what is historically accurate then?
Bhansali has a quiet of idea abt love and prostitution.
All of his film revolves around them ...
Prostitution is a common element in Indian cinema. I think there is a lot that is shows about people and a society so there are a lot of stories to tell.
All his work looks the same too, quite repetitive
The thing is, it's only because we aren't taught any of this in high school. The less people know about it (esp if it's derived from real life incidents) , the more curious they get about the story. As a result, more viewership and more money even if the ratings aren't good.
What Sanjay did to one of Indian language and nobody is talking in India.
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@@DimaRakesahsince the time mughalism and british mindset has approached movies, prostitution has become the part!
That poetry, art, culture, and cultured language so much talked about by Bhansali sahab is absent in Heeramandi.
Unnecessarily added the inqilab dastaan and the forced procession of tawaifs at the end. The series is an extended hallucination or whimsicality of a daydreamer.
finally, someone said it ! i am so sick of people praising and appreciating the series, when there are so many problems with it.
I have been dragging myself to watch it. On episode 6 now. The politics between the women feels like a glam version of Indian TV soaps. Alam's flat faced acting makes watching her a comical experience. I am only going to finish it to see how bad it can get from here.
Thank God you pointed out the over glorification and senseless romanticism of courtesans! Courtesans were respected highly in the society, the narrator claims. Would she allow any one in her family to be one of them?
@@ew1472It's a fictional web series, this story is nothing related to history I believe. And Heera mandi was not just place for Tawaif, other works like trading, manufacturing of high quality clothes etc was done here. So this series particularly revolves around the Tawaif. Watch this series as story of Tawaifs in Heera mandi.
@@devilslayeroo yea but the facts are wrong? the portrayal of tawaifs is wrong, it might be fiction and on that ground it can dismiss real history but then the quality of work and credibility of the makers also lessens. personally, i wouldn't watch it or recommend this to anyone who is well read bc it's garbage. all the producers ever cared about was the rich setting and clothes, not the history or background of the actual thing.
The culture & language that's being depicted in this series is Urdu Culture & Urdu Language native to western Uttar Pradesh & Lucknow, India.
It's not the culture of western uttarpradesh, that would be haryanvi dominated culture. It is the culture of central Uttar Pradesh, which is the Awadh region.
Exactly, they should have done a better research in historical Punjabi culture/language within the society of courtesans in Lahore. The painting of Moran clearly wearing 19th Century style punjabi attire, Suthan Kurta, instead of Farshi Pajama which was worn by upper class women in the region of Awadh.
@@GhostRiley-zs8zb Yeah, definitely Awadh, but even Rohilkhand (western Uttar Pradesh) which has Khari Boli dialect (not Haryanvi- that's only in border region) is a base dialect of standard Urdu (strikingly though, I don't suppose Awadhi had been a base for Urdu even though Urdu did owe some of her development & evolution to Awadh). Thus, the whole region from Delhi to Lucknow (Rohilkhand & Awadh) can be included in the native region & homeland of Urdu. And that's the only region in whole subcontinent that can be labelled so! That makes Urdu a non-Pakistani, India based language (thankfully)!😊
@@princeericsexy I wholeheartedly appreciate you for your accurate observation bro! I wish more people would've noticed that. Whenever I used to hear Heeramandi, Tawaifs in Punjabi outfits used to dominate my mind since that's how they had been, now unfortunately many minds would be mislead into believing that Lahore Tawaif Culture was a mirror image of Lucknow Tehzeeb. This doesn't look like contemporary 1940s Lahore to the onlookers! Also as someone else pointed out- erstwhile Lahore & Heeramandi must have had people of different religions (Hindus, Sikhs) not just Muslims.
I don't know why a competent & wise director like SLB might not have considered that!
Yup. It's culture is associated with prostitution. Urdu language and its culture originated in brothels
There is no prostitution now in heeramandi as the night falls. It is now known as food street and that street is now only for shopping, food and revisiting the culture. The courtesans and prostitutes are long gone from there and now offer secret services, as in lahore, sex and prostitution is illegal and banned for good.
So please don't spread false information while sitting in india.
The people do bad things like this but they are secretly done hiding from law. But there is no bazar openly offering any dances or services.
There are Mujra Shows on Pakistani TV, aren't they? The legends of General Rani and her influence in the Army and political circles are well known... Noor Jehan and Gen. Yehya Khan was involved in scandalous events during the 1971 war... Things might have moved from Heera Mandi to Rawalpindi, but still safe houses are built for the powerful for these kinds of activities. Gen. Bajwa's tape 😅
Dude stop lying to yourself, there still a thing there in Heeramandi. Not as it used to be a chunk is still there which makes its red light area. I've been living in Lahore for years, I know it. But it used to be the epicenter of arts, culture and language, it was never a redlight area until Britishers came
Yes that thing exists in Pakistan but in other areas, they don't do it in obvious place as Heeramandi.
The fact is courtesans any where in the world were not always independant performers, they employed young girls from marginal background or children of courtesans ,though the treatment the received not as inhuman as brothels today but in the such atmosphere girls were only objects of entertainment with or without the involvement of flesh trade . No one can price the dignity of a living human but they were priced. The reality may be far from such movies . Under the current regime, votes are earned at the cost of hate and bitterness in the hearts of general population . Be thankful such practices are over
The devdasis of south were young girls separated from their basic rights as children , served the temples by serving the priests , now you can understand in what ways they were manipulated to please the priests. The word prostitute is very limited to those who trade sex as their only profession .however , is it a very good life for acourtesan or devdasi ? Would you as a young child want it for yourself ?
Watched the entire series, and an absolutely great work by bhansali sir...
A friend’s grandmother who was forced to flee during partition lived in Heeramandi and find it disturbing when it’s called a “red light area” because it wasn’t. It was a space where white collared people lived and so did tawaifs. The connotation and separation of a ‘red light’ area is slightly problematic when it was not the case in that past. It is us and now we push people in sex work into certain spaces away from so called ‘dignified’ ones
I wish Heeramandi depicted Punjabi culture instead of Lucknow culture.
Expressing directly in Heera Mandi what they do indirectly in Bollywood
Had goosebumps watching the show
Very nice history and explanation!
Thanks for Sanjay Leela Bhansali aapni itni achhi series banayi sahi me bahot achha laga heeramamdi ki sachchai jaan kar aapki jitni tarif Karu bahot Kam hogi sir thanks 🙏👍🙏
And his neice destroyed the whole series single handedly
Short..sweet and to the point of HEERAMANDI...Thnx @BRUT.....jsk SD USA
it's not gods to over hype them since they wanted the British out because they took away their patronage. they wanted their own lost position back nothing so patriotic about them
Everyone fought for their own independence, interests and grievances at the time of 1857 revolution including Laksmibai ,Sepoy mutiny etc etc. There was no notion of a nation back then.And yeah cinema do exaggerate things but it does so with every historical movie/web series and it is a medium of entertainment too.Take example of Art 370 ,yami is the lead whereas in reality they don't even allow women Officer to go and fight at the first place.
All film industries started from here
Wow how creative
Do you mean to say they started from Tawaifs?
Not all but Bollywood..
@@bharatg124 Raaj kapoor and dilip kumar etc are born in pakistan
@@bharatg124all .each of them
Why you talk about Tawaifs of Lahore only and forget the Lucknow, Calcutta, Hyderabad, Multan, Benaras, Bengal etc
It's because the series is based on Lahore courtsens or tawaifs not on any other part of India that's a basic reason
@@ordinarygirl7464 I wasn't talking about the series. I know the series is based on Lahore.
@@edwardcullin8908 then Edward you should watch gangubai kathiawadi , and devdas another masterpiece of slb where you get to know about tawaifs of other part of India
@@ordinarygirl7464 Thanks but I have studied the history, I was just commenting to give a hint for general people. SLB just replicates his Devdas in all his work. Moreover, heeramandi is also historically incorrect containing too many misrepresentations.
Ab samajh aa rha hain "Lahore le ke rahenge" kyun bola jata hain
I'm from Lahore, and i would like to said "In your dreams"
That's what you said before we broke Bangladesh😂. So just wait@@craft.creation
Leave Lahore where it is.
@@mero2627no one’s coming for it, its a big village anyways
@@craft.creation abe chal yaar joke mara hain
So sad that their sacrifice was erased from our textbooks and our historical records. How much these courtesans must have suffered and fought for our independence. Only because they were not as fortunate as us and they were women their fights were also not taken into consideration. Only if you are a follower of Mahatma Gandhi or any of the other freedom fighters were you even seen as a freedom fighter.
Beautiful work live it..
sex slavery was common during islamic rule
Usse pehle jo devdaasi pratha.. Sati pratha.. Brst tax yeh sb b Muslim aur British ne Laaye the.. Tm log Boht saaf paak ho kya
Accha hua aaj tk gowmutr aur gobar mein ho.. Caste issues and devdaasi issues aur aurt Ko neeche dekhne se baahr niklo
That's what their Islam taught themm
@@Yaksh356 GB road pay Jaa aur dekh tera Lindu dhram kya sikhata hay
Go to GB road and look at the Teachings of Tantan dharam 🥁
What is the work if courtesans?
Getting young la-waris children and training them to be entertainers, dancers etc.
People are defending them as if it's something good.
But what can we say Bollywood are modern version of tawaifs of past.
SLB ko kahi na kahi history ko sexualize karna pasand hai. He knows even audience would watch the films for topics like these, Adultry, Prostitution, Extra Marital Affairs ye sab essential elements hai SLB ke movies ke.
Yup such as all the topics related to women being exploited , just because it's movie it's fun to watch but imagine if it's the present case scenario and story of a woman who is alive right now, how exploited she would feel
SLB is all about sexualizing , polygamy, prostitution
She played the character of Queen Victoria!
This should be movie
Another attempt by Bollywood to glorify Muslim league party
Another attempt by a brainwashed to talk shitt
🙄😂
Indian: Mughal heritage is not indian heritage
Also indians:
I don’t think you are aware about history or what Indians people say Mughals were a central Asian people who saw themselves as Turks. Mughals didn’t considered themselves as Indians nor do modern day Indians consider them as Indians they are mostly seen as colonizer. Also is brothal mugal culture now ?? This is about people of that time how does this has anything to do with a Medival empire 🤦♂️
No one is saying this is Indian culture
Dear, the high class courtesan culture of the 1800s were very much persianised or Mughalai, because these tawaifs normally served upper class nobility, most of whom were Muslims of turkish,afghan or Persian ancestry
Bhai suun koi nhi keh raha hai Mughals indian the ye sirf 2 Kori ke Bollywood wale hi kehte hai aam Janta se jaakar pucho Mughals ko laar barabar bhi nhi mante hm , Bollywood ka kya hai wo to chu** ki den hai , ham Bollywood se utna hi nafrat karte hai jitna pakistan se
Mughals and heeramandi both are not Indian
The culture and civilization of Muslim era
Who were Menaka, Urvashi, Tilottama, Rambha, Amrapali, etc. etc. etc??
@@paramitamukherjee6198 it’s about devlok..not like this ..prostitution culture comes from Islamic civilization from Mohammad
@@meetkhandor2689 there are many kothas In India. Does that mean it was from ram rajya ?? Or inherited from sita, Durga whatever their names are !!
@@user-in9wr8fw3skothas are pretty much the legacy of Islamic conquests, they are the illegitimate products of a mixed North Indian and Musalman culture. Wherever these people went, they spread debauchery and over-indulgence. There happens to be no mention of self-control or discipline in the aforementioned way of life.
@@user-in9wr8fw3skothas are pretty much the legacy of Islamiс conquests, they are the illegitimаte products of a mixed North Indian and Musalmаn culture. Wherever these people went, they spread debаuchery and оver-indulgence. There happens to be no mention of self-contrоl or discipline in the аforementioned way of life.
Kya red light area movie ko glorify kar rahe ho😂😂😂
You junk ! First of all you should know about the direction of slb and this series is not about glorifying prostitution but about the involvement and struggle of courtsens or so called tawaifs in Indian freedom struggle,
You are joking because you are not aware of the fact ,
May god bless you
Same thinking dude these ppl glorifying everything
The lead only had one good dialogue and it's used in the trailer
The name 'Heeramandi' has no figurative meaning with Tawaifs being symbolically regarded as diamonds. The courtesans have long gone, not the prostitutes thou. As in any slum, they exist. Are they somehow related or the descendants of that culture? I doubt so. Children from good families were sent to those Tawaifs for their delicate upbringing and to develop a passion for music and art. Today, that is entirely absent.
Nice story
It's totally wrong information.....👊
Dogras kings used to collect Kanjri tax in kashmir from natch girls one of art portrait depicted in your story 02:03 ....which was major portion of their revenue that time.....kanjris were prostitutes of kashmir that time......
It was a local activist ....HAJAM SAHIB .....who was able to incorporate these depressed and deprived women in to society back successfully and prostitution was eliminated from kashmir.
Same was aim of Ziaul haq but he was terminated midway .....and these mujra girls are still existent in pakistan
Waowwww!!!
Inko koi izzat nahi mile jo desh ki liye inqalaab laye
Yes kyuki ye Lahore people ke mindset ke beech thi
Thus is the trur story unfortunately the series showed them as sex workers. If the series showed more of their struggle fro freedom. It would have been amazinf. But right now its a bit of everyrhinf and also some lies which makes it not a hit. But the actresses did really well
Shame on Pakistan for keeping it on 😢,how you feel like being a shameless muslim country ?
Sanjay Leela KO bolo is film mai in ki beti achi lage gi
Why this guy always loves to show other countty cultures more😂
Yes obviously not sex workers! Who wouldn't know that!
How can 1857 rebellion be called as India first Independence struggle ??Name one person who took part in 1857 rebellion fought for India's independence !!! Muslim sepoys fought for revival of islamic rule in india under Bahadur shah , whereas Hindu kings and queens fought so that their kingdoms don't get swallowed by British empire.
True!
What rubbish ! Pls go back and study history of medieval india which is in school syllabus
Hindu and muslim fought together to put bahadur shah zafar on throne,,, and there was nothing like islamic kingdom under bahadur shah zafars rule...
What’s this Modi’s curriculum of Indian history 😂😂.
True story of every Bollywood actress 🤣
And bollywood actors too.
Ganwaar
Like Kangana 👍
Ya its true
Exactly
The rise of Bollywood 😂
Why you copy other people’s comments?
@@priyeshsd because Bollywood does the same 🤣
@@shortquotes494 oh so you also rise from Heera Mandi.
Dammn bro I am born in 2000's now Lahore is in Pakistan how can I rise from Heera Mandi just don't comment bro think before saying something don't be another pappu like Rahul
@@shortquotes494 lol how does your birth year matter if your family rise from Heera Mandi?
Like Bollywood no infidelity only acting chala chuti
Nice
Its sad in our country people mock veer savarkar movie and glorify some imaginary kothewali contribution to freedom movement 😂😂😂
Very true bro❤
So true
Exactly, all wants to become prostitute
pH
😂
,, inkalab not inkelab
Even qudsia expressed herself better than alamzeb. She destroyed the whole series. Someone else could have done her role better but 🥲🫡 that's okay 🫠
Kinda similar to "geisha" in japan
These visuals and emotions😩🤌
Can't imagine how big the release will be