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  • @dwfan91-
    @dwfan91- Місяць тому +650

    So goddamn good. In a way this is almost an inverse of the Rings of Akhaten, using a few notes from that episode to highlight how there the speech worked and how here it didn't. Simply epic stuff

    • @twolve
      @twolve Місяць тому +20

      omg hello 91st doctor who fan did you like the soundtrack this episode

    • @dwfan91-
      @dwfan91- Місяць тому +28

      @@twolve I liked everything about this episode

    • @twolve
      @twolve Місяць тому +11

      @@dwfan91- the goat

    • @StagTwo
      @StagTwo Місяць тому +19

      Oh yeah! It is like Rings of Akhaten, good spot! Also love the videos bro.

    • @KelamHB
      @KelamHB Місяць тому +13

      Literally THIS! As soon as those higher notes come in to the lower ones, I thought it sounded like Rings of Akhaten! at round 00:30

  • @HomicidalPandaHD
    @HomicidalPandaHD Місяць тому +359

    there's a few notes in the middle that sound like rings of akhaten

    • @007scraps
      @007scraps Місяць тому +6

      yes exactly!!!

    • @official_wonnie
      @official_wonnie Місяць тому +12

      I thought I was the only one that heard it, fascinating moment of sound

    • @roguexxrenegade
      @roguexxrenegade Місяць тому +4

      My jaw dropped when I heard it

    • @nunbxtch
      @nunbxtch Місяць тому

      0:29 and yes you're so correct

    • @SceneSurgeSnippets
      @SceneSurgeSnippets Місяць тому

      timestamp?

  • @harrytheseal6566
    @harrytheseal6566 Місяць тому +405

    Never have I ever hated someone from doctor who before. The residents of Finetime took the cake

    • @DoctorMysterio15
      @DoctorMysterio15 Місяць тому +58

      Yeah, no wonder why the dots turned against them and the slugs were chasing them.

    • @rhodrage
      @rhodrage Місяць тому +58

      In a universe where Daleks exist, creatures that live to hate every other living being in existence, the people of Fine Time were still worse.

    • @spaceboomer564
      @spaceboomer564 Місяць тому +46

      It's a great twist that the evil AI actually had a good reason to turn against its users.

    • @LeDayz
      @LeDayz Місяць тому +13

      The Daleks at least are funny!

    • @JoelGrant-yo8b
      @JoelGrant-yo8b Місяць тому +14

      ​Exactly because The Daleks didn't chose to be racist, Finetime did.

  • @planetbumble5060
    @planetbumble5060 Місяць тому +69

    Exactly why we needed Murray Gold back. This was one of the most impactful scenes in the entire show I had goosebumps the entire time.

  • @badwolf66
    @badwolf66 Місяць тому +378

    It kind of has a James Bond feel to it.

  • @PapaLuge
    @PapaLuge Місяць тому +219

    Why was dot and bubble actually so good tho

    • @ryandunphy60
      @ryandunphy60 Місяць тому +6

      Facts

    • @HCProds1
      @HCProds1 Місяць тому +22

      The final 10 minutes were good, rest of it was average surely

    • @Mrchair-bk5ns
      @Mrchair-bk5ns Місяць тому +38

      I thought from the promo that it would suck but it's really strong.

    • @quindecim7507
      @quindecim7507 Місяць тому +34

      @@HCProds1 The final 10 minutes were good because it was the climax of the episode. If the rest of the episode hadn't been building up to that moment, it wouldn't have hit as hard. Also I genuinely don't get what people didn't like about it other than the fact that the Doctor wasn't omnipresent for the entire episode. It was great, had horrifying new CGI monsters, gutwrenching horror, tension, and mystery. The revelation that the entire homeworld was destroyed was a gut punch. The whole episode kept delivering with heavy twists that were all great.

    • @NeroSparda99
      @NeroSparda99 Місяць тому +7

      @@HCProds1 this makes no sense, it’s only as strong because of what came before especially on rewatch.

  • @MrsMoores
    @MrsMoores Місяць тому +416

    It felt like the music really represented the Doctor's want to save them, but it kept being pushed down.
    I love the music design!

  • @RealSweetTom
    @RealSweetTom Місяць тому +109

    The last 2 Doctor-lite episodes have been strangely haunting. 73 yards stayed with me watching Ruby grow old and alone, and this one just exaggerated my anxieties about social media nowadays.

    • @brandotenda
      @brandotenda Місяць тому +4

      yeah it's kind of crazy as someone who grew up to watch social media begin as this small niche thing to dominate our lives how racism has somehow gotten WORSE over the past 20 years. the language is more subtle, but in more recent times it's become much more direct, the attitudes much more violent. it's crazy how when i grew up in the 10s i was lowkey annoyed of "SJWs" and liberals or whatever dominating everything but now in the early 2020s it feels so normalized and stronger than ever. social media has regressed our standards on how to treat fellow human beings and only fanned the flames of fundamentalism, nationalism, and outright racism and this episode was an incredible commentary on the insular echo chambers that leads to such ugly xenophobic tendencies calcifying into a culture that passes it off as normal.

    • @2Byorhax
      @2Byorhax Місяць тому

      @@brandotenda what was this word vomet

  • @SavagingFlash
    @SavagingFlash Місяць тому +109

    Murray Gold being awesome as always!

  • @ryandunphy60
    @ryandunphy60 Місяць тому +144

    Yes! His theme is epic as it is, but this variation hits different

    • @forcedalek
      @forcedalek Місяць тому +12

      Its so much more cinematic

    • @ryandunphy60
      @ryandunphy60 Місяць тому +5

      @@forcedalekoh yes! I know someone else said it but it has a James Bond feel. But to me the scene shows that sometimes the Doctor doesn’t always win and this music showcases that to a T

  • @gwinnellheald8592
    @gwinnellheald8592 Місяць тому +35

    Its like if the speech failed in rings of akhaten. Similar notes, darker ending.

  • @joaquinhurtado-tapia4369
    @joaquinhurtado-tapia4369 Місяць тому +103

    Hear me out
    From 0:23 to 0:36 we can clearly listen to a "The Long Song" inversion, while we can hear from 0:36 till the end of the song several leitmotifs from the 12th Doctor's merged all into one.

    • @pianoif
      @pianoif Місяць тому +6

      I think that's reaching a bit

    • @whateversonmymind6690
      @whateversonmymind6690 Місяць тому +6

      maaaate yes I can hear that

    • @thebasicviewer9690
      @thebasicviewer9690 Місяць тому +11

      No from 0:36 is 15s theme

    • @pianoif
      @pianoif Місяць тому +1

      @@thebasicviewer9690 exactly theres no new theme here

    • @mercmattgaming3671
      @mercmattgaming3671 Місяць тому +1

      did I get regeneration like music in the beginning

  • @DalekCaanOfSkaro
    @DalekCaanOfSkaro Місяць тому +95

    One word: Goosebumps

  • @theneondragon004
    @theneondragon004 Місяць тому +147

    There's something very Darth Vader about this version of the theme. God, I can't wait for more doctor-dark

    • @forcedalek
      @forcedalek Місяць тому +7

      ME TOO!

    • @Pendleton115
      @Pendleton115 Місяць тому +13

      Would be cool to see ncuti do a reverse 9, where over time he becomes more and more mean spirited and begins to close himself off from the people around him.

    • @ainfajofaf8118
      @ainfajofaf8118 Місяць тому +9

      The Doctor getting dark is my favourite thing about the show. Ncuti would absolutely eat it up too.

    • @db5094
      @db5094 Місяць тому +7

      @@Pendleton115 i was about to say, this doctor was touted as the sort of "rebirth", split from the 14th doctor that needed to heal his traumas, and able to move on, so it would be interesting to see him lose his innocence in a way, having to handle this sort of moral contamination

    • @Pendleton115
      @Pendleton115 Місяць тому +1

      @@db5094 I really hope this is the direction they’re going in.
      Kind of like what happened to 10, but even more dramatic

  • @amritpalhh9836
    @amritpalhh9836 Місяць тому +36

    That was one of the darkest episodes I’ve ever seen of dr who

  • @miakx
    @miakx Місяць тому +73

    Some of the notes in the middle are straight up from the Long Song in the Rings of Akhaten

    • @HyperDaveUK
      @HyperDaveUK Місяць тому +7

      With the lyrics of Wake Up missing 🙂

    • @nunbxtch
      @nunbxtch Місяць тому

      0:29

    • @eggsbox
      @eggsbox Місяць тому

      @@HyperDaveUK there's been a _lot_ of dialogue this season about dreaming. maybe the _music_ is telling him to wake up.

  • @MrElmo54321
    @MrElmo54321 Місяць тому +23

    The as thing was as much as they needed saving they never really deserved it asides Ricky, but like in the Titanic Christmas special, we can’t choose who lives and who dies, that would make us monsters.

    • @DoctorMysterio15
      @DoctorMysterio15 Місяць тому +3

      The posh kids were being hunted down by the dots and the slugs and they were created by someone who strongly disagreed with that principle.

  • @w33shy26
    @w33shy26 Місяць тому +6

    Love how you can hear a motif from The Long Song, then it slowly fades into a dark version of Fifteenth

  • @Jell000
    @Jell000 Місяць тому +26

    Murray Gold. Honestly what a legend

  • @skadoosh6000
    @skadoosh6000 Місяць тому +30

    WHEN IS MURRAY RELEASING ALL THESE AND THE 60TH SOUNDTRACK BROO I WANT TO LISTEN TO THE TOYMAKER'S THEME

  • @pinzokiyama3387
    @pinzokiyama3387 Місяць тому +5

    The Long Song was always used for heartwarmingly tearjerking moments. This moment… was just a plain tearjerker for it to be sampled.

  • @NEWMAN0067
    @NEWMAN0067 Місяць тому +13

    Ive love the whole series so far, but this is the first time i immediately went back to watch a scene again and again... oh my god its so good

  • @leeseth
    @leeseth Місяць тому +15

    oh my god, the way I heard all the beats to fifteen while he was having that meltdown... felt it to the core

  • @RonnieRoberts_
    @RonnieRoberts_ Місяць тому +13

    I’m starting to get concerned we’ll never get an official release of the soundtrack as we still haven’t gotten Series 10 & the 60th Specials yet

    • @TinOfBeans
      @TinOfBeans Місяць тому +2

      Murray uploaded the Goblin Song which gives me hope that at least this season will get released

  • @thefilmmusicaficionado7937
    @thefilmmusicaficionado7937 27 днів тому +4

    And that's why Murray Gold is the GOAT! The GOOOATTTTT!!

    • @gene1131
      @gene1131 18 днів тому +1

      It was perfect. Perfect. Everything, down to the last minute details.

  • @RedCaio
    @RedCaio Місяць тому +8

    0:49 "Beware, the Phantom of the Opera"

  • @SumnerMultimedia
    @SumnerMultimedia Місяць тому +11

    It's so fucking Bond bro, I love it

  • @fullriver1234
    @fullriver1234 Місяць тому +4

    I wasn’t looking forward to the social media/phone bad episode but it really surprised me. Can’t wait to see even more iconic Ncuti moments after this.

  • @TimeandRelativeGaming2015
    @TimeandRelativeGaming2015 Місяць тому +9

    Oh Murray gold you strike time and time again

  • @doctorson7026
    @doctorson7026 Місяць тому +1

    The best Doctor Who Ost since 2017

  • @boiwifeyasmr4U
    @boiwifeyasmr4U Місяць тому +9

    This season is the best since series 8 for me. I love series 8

    • @trygon_stingray
      @trygon_stingray Місяць тому +2

      As someone who also lives series 8, I completely agree! This series started fairly basic with Space Babies (and I totally get why, it’s a jumping-on point for new viewers to get used to the format), but each episode since has gotten progressively better, with 73 Yards and this one being masterpieces. I love the creeping emergence of the supernatural, and how many of the episodes completely subvert their initial premise.

  • @gerrardjones28
    @gerrardjones28 Місяць тому +4

    Sounds so good! Too me this music either feels like The Doctor failing or him leaving them too die, tbh Ncuti has been through a lot do far, i feel bad for him

  • @thaliavision1918
    @thaliavision1918 Місяць тому +4

    I hope we hear this theme again.

    • @Pokewho-6475
      @Pokewho-6475 11 днів тому

      Probably will play it during 15 to 16

  • @mrtingals2738
    @mrtingals2738 Місяць тому +2

    The part that uses the notes from the rings of Akhaten just before fithteen's kicks in sounds so pessimisticly hopeful, which isn't something id be using to describe anything

  • @maxkennedy7430
    @maxkennedy7430 Місяць тому +27

    *The Oncoming Storm…*

    • @ryandunphy60
      @ryandunphy60 Місяць тому +4

      Yes…..the storm approaches 🔥🔥🔥

    • @forcedalek
      @forcedalek Місяць тому +2

      so excited

  • @asentientcactus
    @asentientcactus Місяць тому +74

    Ok but “The Vale” is SUSPICIOUSLY close to “The Valeyard” for The Doctor’s theme

    • @pholobodob
      @pholobodob Місяць тому +28

      Vale means farewell in Latin

    • @Sidus666
      @Sidus666 Місяць тому +5

      Or Vale Decem xd

    • @matheusflores619
      @matheusflores619 Місяць тому +5

      I think that's a fanmade title

    • @9nikolai
      @9nikolai Місяць тому +4

      Waiting for the 14th Doctor spin-off having a theme called "The Yard"

  • @nicolastutorias3478
    @nicolastutorias3478 Місяць тому +4

    This soundtrack will be this doctor's regeneration music, listen to what I'm saying

  • @immaturedinosaur
    @immaturedinosaur Місяць тому +5

    I felt it when he screamed

  • @zinoxechill
    @zinoxechill Місяць тому +1

    They somehow made even the Daleks look good, they’d accept help

  • @AndrewPRoberts
    @AndrewPRoberts Місяць тому +9

    You know I've never agreed with an evil ai wanting to destroy humanity before
    ..........but......

    • @Infinitystar225
      @Infinitystar225 Місяць тому

      The people of Finetime aren't human, you can see their blood is a blue/green colour in the episode. Gives "blue-bloods" a quite literal meaning, man that episode is so good.

    • @AndrewPRoberts
      @AndrewPRoberts Місяць тому

      @@Infinitystar225 You're right, I forgot about that

  • @TheRedGoldfish
    @TheRedGoldfish Місяць тому +2

    I wonder if this will be the music played when he (hopefully not for a long time) regenerates into the next doctor

  • @maciejwisniewski496
    @maciejwisniewski496 Місяць тому +2

    Murray Gold bringing a short variant of "The Long Song" from Series 7B's "The Rings of Akhaten", then moving seamlessly into the darker variant of Fifteen... Currently, the best episode of Series 14 and the best music of this series!

  • @thaliavision1918
    @thaliavision1918 Місяць тому +2

    I love the use of the same instruments of 15's original theme we heard from the Giggle.

  • @wardjunior1450
    @wardjunior1450 Місяць тому +1

    Murray gold is too good for this

  • @braddsfx8921
    @braddsfx8921 Місяць тому +1

    So far, and by far, my favourite moment of 15 and Ncuti Gatwa as a whole.

  • @ffedexs
    @ffedexs Місяць тому +1

    I need a loop of the first 30 secs it’s so good

  • @louiscarmichael9260
    @louiscarmichael9260 Місяць тому +2

    A slower Rings of Akhaten meets James Bond! Awesome stuff like Gold's old bangers

  • @Therealtoymaker
    @Therealtoymaker Місяць тому +1

    Best thing out of the episode whole episode

  • @Jack-hr9xw
    @Jack-hr9xw Місяць тому +2

    Good to see a darker side to 15 ❤

  • @xroo7922
    @xroo7922 Місяць тому

    My eyes tear up the same way we’ve seen 15 do when that first part hits damn there’s a lot of Emotion in this

  • @Ownerislost
    @Ownerislost Місяць тому +1

    For some reason when it started playing I thought it was gonna be a new variation of the Shepherd's Boy 😂 definitely one of my favourite songs of the season tho

  • @meltedman
    @meltedman Місяць тому

    proper goosebumps I had hearing this !!

  • @keestar8740
    @keestar8740 18 днів тому

    I can hear a touch of rings of akateen ✨ chills

  • @alexmailen3708
    @alexmailen3708 Місяць тому

    This music and Ncuti’s final moment where he looks back made me wonder if we’re going to see 15 take a darker turn

  • @tomasdimblebyweber2703
    @tomasdimblebyweber2703 Місяць тому +1

    The VALE? VALE-YARD!?!

  • @timeywimeybrony
    @timeywimeybrony Місяць тому

    BEAUTIFUL!!!!

  • @certifiedlov3rgirl
    @certifiedlov3rgirl Місяць тому +1

    It really feels like theres elements of frustration in there but then I also agree with other comments stating there’s some James Bond in there I think there’ll be a vengeance episode and the Doctor will come out on top

  • @krpowe6663
    @krpowe6663 Місяць тому +1

    I find this Doctor too emotional. I don't remember the first ones but hadn't he cry in every episodes he appeared in (except maybe the Toymaker one)

  • @solitarymaninblack
    @solitarymaninblack Місяць тому +1

    Definitely need to get the soundtrack.

  • @eclipsor117
    @eclipsor117 Місяць тому

    I loved this theme

  • @zacroper3577
    @zacroper3577 Місяць тому +1

    John Barry would be proud.

  • @WibblyWobblyChannel
    @WibblyWobblyChannel Місяць тому

    Murray's still got it- I wish he would go this hard for all the themes though (even though he has been doing great so far)

  • @AttakusZakus
    @AttakusZakus Місяць тому +17

    Wait. Is it actually called “The Vale” on the soundtrack, or is that what you’re calling it? Because if that’s the case, Valeyard confirmed?

    • @GoblinUptheLoftInsulationFoam
      @GoblinUptheLoftInsulationFoam Місяць тому +2

      My thoughts as well. Its probably just what the uploader is calling it, but if not then Holy shit!

    • @Jay244
      @Jay244 Місяць тому +7

      Vale is the Latin Word for Farewell. e.g. 10's final track is called "Vale Decem", or, "Farewell 10"

    • @AttakusZakus
      @AttakusZakus Місяць тому +5

      @@Jay244 Ah, okay. So “The Farewell”. Makes much more sense.

    • @forcedalek
      @forcedalek Місяць тому +2

      I came up with the name myself, Vale meaning farewell (leaving the people behind) and also cause this was the Doctor turning a bit darker..

    • @TheWhoniversalMan
      @TheWhoniversalMan Місяць тому

      There is no official soundtrack release. Other than The Goblin Song as a single, we haven't had anything officially released since the Series 9 album in 2018. Just lots of fan rips!

  • @NeoMurray
    @NeoMurray Місяць тому

    Absolutely love this version of the doctors theme, reminds of the long song and is anybody else getting Anakins dark deeds vibes from it as well? Brilliant theme.

  • @JonathonMitchell-ig4bv
    @JonathonMitchell-ig4bv Місяць тому +3

    Sorry Dr. I always says never trust good people.

  • @tidalwavefilms2113
    @tidalwavefilms2113 Місяць тому +1

    Is it just me that noticed the title sequence was a little faster than usual?

  • @justarandomguy2424
    @justarandomguy2424 Місяць тому +1

    its called the vale? next season there's going to be a theme called the yard, I'm calling it

  • @barney9456
    @barney9456 Місяць тому

    Some notes sounded like the music that plays in the closing scenes of Children of Earth when Jack leaves earth

    • @pronkt
      @pronkt Місяць тому

      I knew I recognised it from somewhere and was trying so hard to remember where i'd heard it before but you're so right!!

  • @Blue777Dragon
    @Blue777Dragon Місяць тому +1

    Anybody else think this theme, at least the beginning will be his regeneration music?

  • @muazo9916
    @muazo9916 Місяць тому +1

    The beginning of it gave me rings of akhaten vibes

  • @DARKFIRE2008
    @DARKFIRE2008 Місяць тому +6

    This episode felt open ended again and I actually love it like how the girl betrays that Rick guy and the Doctor barley realises and again what were those creatures it feels like the doctor is realising something strange is going on and that theme made it even weirder I’m telling you that girl has got smth to do with this big twist

    • @richardsaxty2911
      @richardsaxty2911 Місяць тому +1

      And Susan Twist played her mum. Something interesting going on with this episode for sure.

    • @DARKFIRE2008
      @DARKFIRE2008 Місяць тому +2

      @@richardsaxty2911 definitely I 100% agree I genuinely think this episode is supposed to look like just any other doctor who episode but I think it’s KEY to this plot twist

  • @linkjourney422
    @linkjourney422 Місяць тому +1

    This gives me Valeyard vibes for some reason.

  • @timeywimeybrony
    @timeywimeybrony Місяць тому

    Why do I feel like a mix of this and "Saving the Doctor" would match good

  • @Freezer28528
    @Freezer28528 Місяць тому

    amazing music

  • @david.l8698
    @david.l8698 Місяць тому

    RTD: "No more darker half, did you really think id let that happen?"
    Dr: you dont know me!
    RTD: "Don't I?"

  • @brobs0463
    @brobs0463 Місяць тому +1

    Peak television

  • @andrewchilds2349
    @andrewchilds2349 Місяць тому

    This will be his theme when it is his time to regenerate

  • @g_d0490
    @g_d0490 Місяць тому +1

    Anyone else get flashbacks to 11's regeneration at 0:27?

  • @mercmattgaming3671
    @mercmattgaming3671 Місяць тому +1

    do i hear future regenaration music at that beginning bit ;)

  • @johnstevenson1861
    @johnstevenson1861 Місяць тому

    Theory Time:
    Everything lives and everything dies. And sometimes Doctor. You can't save every society that doesn't need or deserve saving. No matter how noble your intentions are.
    You're a good person, Doctor. However, despite all your regenerations. Underneath it all you care too much for humanity. Too much that it could become your own undoing. Blinding on what is in front of you and what really matters. (Referring to Ruby and others.)
    Tread lightly, Doctor. While your journey for this planet has reached its end. You should focus on your companions. For they are the parts that make you…you. Especially in the dark of times when you really need it right now.
    End theory.
    Thanks to anyone who reads this.

  • @TotherKoala
    @TotherKoala Місяць тому +1

    If this is 'the vale'
    Is 14's dark theme 'the yard'

  • @BenSwithen
    @BenSwithen Місяць тому

    From around 0.21 to 0.36 it evoked The Rings of Akhaten for me.

  • @jennx68
    @jennx68 Місяць тому

    Appreciate this (but could do without a big link to another video being slapped over the last 19 seconds of a 65-second video).

  • @smlfan92
    @smlfan92 День тому

    Imagine this theme was 15th regeneration

  • @wanbawmcgraw
    @wanbawmcgraw Місяць тому

    The first part kinda sounds like part of the new doctor theme from an adventure in space and time

  • @WillByrne-mc4ub
    @WillByrne-mc4ub 20 днів тому +1

    I want to know what sutekh was up to during day of the doctor

  • @jaybennet4491
    @jaybennet4491 Місяць тому +2

    I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I had to report this video for emotional abuse. I can't- It's just so bitter and sad and it pulls on my heart so so tightly

  • @calumgardner6936
    @calumgardner6936 Місяць тому +3

    I’m betting all my money that’ll play again either in the finale or when Ncuti has a full-on Time Lord Victorious moment and has really goes too far

    • @barney9456
      @barney9456 Місяць тому +2

      I hope it does play again, like in the lead up to the finale would be awesome

  • @Blazing_Ninja
    @Blazing_Ninja Місяць тому

    I love the part from 0:36 onwards!

  • @romulansenate
    @romulansenate Місяць тому

    Vale for Valeyard perhaps?

  • @cirrusB612
    @cirrusB612 Місяць тому +1

    Sorry, it’s called “the Vale?” I understand it could mean “vale” as in “goodbye” but I can’t help but think of the Valeyard

    • @adinakruijssen3056
      @adinakruijssen3056 Місяць тому

      Maybe because the finetime survivors were going out into the vale (the wilderness we were shown, which had rivers between hills like the description of a vale). But it's definitely reminiscent of the Valeyard!
      Also, I've never heard of vale meaning goodbye? I know it can mean "ok" in Spanish but besides that and the English word for the natural area I described (basically a valley), I don't know any other meaning for vale

    • @cirrusB612
      @cirrusB612 Місяць тому +1

      @@adinakruijssen3056 Oh sorry--that was a running thing back in Ten's day; there was a track in the OST called "vale decem" which meant "goodbye ten" in Latin or something.

  • @Scroteydada
    @Scroteydada Місяць тому +2

    The long song

  • @RespectMyArthurity
    @RespectMyArthurity Місяць тому

    The Vale as in the Valeyard?

  • @M.T_Chimpanski
    @M.T_Chimpanski Місяць тому

    I cannot blame the dot for turning on the people in finetime this entire episode made me so frustrated

  • @boiwifeyasmr4U
    @boiwifeyasmr4U Місяць тому +8

    I know this might be a controversial thing, but to me this seems like The Doctor experiencing racism for the first time and not knowing what to do with it

    • @pianoif
      @pianoif Місяць тому +9

      This is. They were racist. This is not subtext.

    • @audiebridge3103
      @audiebridge3103 Місяць тому +3

      I think it was deliberately done so you can interpret it as either racist or classist. Or both. They obviously aren't mutually exclusive ​@pianoif

    • @boiwifeyasmr4U
      @boiwifeyasmr4U Місяць тому +1

      @@pianoif I know. Me just trying not to make ppl angry if they think differently

    • @pianoif
      @pianoif Місяць тому +2

      @@audiebridge3103 No in bts Russell says it's meant to be blatantly racist.

    • @DrPickle205
      @DrPickle205 Місяць тому +1

      its very obviously racism and you can see the protag being racist towards the doctor throughout the whole episode,

  • @Logan_alexander_gaming
    @Logan_alexander_gaming Місяць тому +6

    If that teen attituded, clumsy, good for nothing, murderer comes back, I might be done.

    • @Mrchair-bk5ns
      @Mrchair-bk5ns Місяць тому +4

      The only thing that I hope is that she is dead but she won't be. She was raised without intimacy as such I am assuming that she is a sociopath. She's also the daughter of a weapon's manufacturer. The self-proclaimed leader of the survivors said that they wanted to be "pioneers like our ancestors" which hints at new world America colonialism. I wouldn't be surprised if she comes back as the leader of the survivors. I just hope she gets a reckoning. It's amazing to me how they muted the brutal death of the good finetime character because the doctor wouldn't have stood one minute learning the truth. Ncuti is proving himself to be the doctor. I bet he would have tore her a new one if he knew.

    • @Logan_alexander_gaming
      @Logan_alexander_gaming Місяць тому +5

      @@Mrchair-bk5ns Yeah, I already heavily disliked the character, but when Rick died she became the worst character in the show ever. My first thought when he offered to take them with him was "she's gonna be out of the Tardis, as soon as he finds out what happened to Rick". No wonder the dots grew to hate these people, it was utterly deserved.

  • @elianas1121
    @elianas1121 Місяць тому

    “The Vale”?
    Well, that’s not concerning at all…

  • @theo13728
    @theo13728 Місяць тому +1

    Is The Vale the official name? Considering the Valeyard rumours...

    • @NeroSparda99
      @NeroSparda99 Місяць тому +2

      Vale is far well in Latin, we are done with the valeyard

    • @theo13728
      @theo13728 Місяць тому +1

      @@NeroSparda99 Nobody knows yet. I think they could easily do something with the Valeyard

    • @mattoryu
      @mattoryu Місяць тому

      @@theo13728 10's farewell song was called "Vale Decem" meaning farewell 10.

    • @forcedalek
      @forcedalek Місяць тому +2

      I came up with the name myself, Vale meaning farewell (leaving the people behind) and also cause this was the Doctor turning a bit darker..

    • @theo13728
      @theo13728 Місяць тому +1

      @@forcedalek Oh I see

  • @DevilNeverKnows
    @DevilNeverKnows Місяць тому

    Why did I completely miss that this episode is about racism? I thought it was a critique on the ignorance of the younger generations or something, and then a classism thing at the end. I thought because the Doctor was pretending to work for Finetime they just assumed he was lower class.
    Tbh I think I was waiting for the racism plotline the whole time, and by the time it was finally used I'd written it off because they missed so many chances to use it, and I thought they just wouldn't

    • @somerandomguy2073
      @somerandomguy2073 Місяць тому

      It wasn't exactly subtle?

    • @DevilNeverKnows
      @DevilNeverKnows Місяць тому

      @@somerandomguy2073 it was though, because every bad thing Lindy did could have been explained as one of the 7 other character flaws she was given. The writing was a mess imo

  • @corvendata
    @corvendata Місяць тому

    So sad