The Alfasud

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  • Опубліковано 27 жов 2024

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  • @fhwolthuis
    @fhwolthuis 4 роки тому +47

    The Russian steel story is a myth, they used the same Italian steel as in the factories in Milan. It was the handling of the steel during the production process that made it more vulnerable

    • @ullsp
      @ullsp 4 роки тому +3

      Frank Wolthuis correct.... also had to due with workforce strikes and cars left witout primer ect...

    • @Vincenzo-wn1or
      @Vincenzo-wn1or 4 роки тому +4

      There were lots of industrial disputes and strikes at Pomigliano, which left untreated bodies sitting around to collect condensation.

    • @ianmontgomery7213
      @ianmontgomery7213 4 роки тому

      I was told by Alfa reps here in Australia that the steel came from Czeck Republic,

    • @anthonyxuereb792
      @anthonyxuereb792 4 роки тому +1

      Yes that's what I read to, never ever heard about Russian steel being used. What's wrong with Russian steel?

    • @KeithHeinrich
      @KeithHeinrich 4 роки тому +4

      Exactly what Frank said. The russian steel thing is an urban legend at best.

  • @beniaminomartellotta5050
    @beniaminomartellotta5050 4 роки тому +16

    I‘m a lucky owner from Switzerland, same version, same colour, same year... that car give some great sensations, the sound of the engine, the interiour smell... drive to believe it...

  • @simonhodgetts6530
    @simonhodgetts6530 4 роки тому +6

    It’s the Alfasud that was responsible for my love of Alfa Romeo. A pea-green ‘Sud Ti used to scream down our road when I was a child. It sounded amazing and looked great. I’m on my third Alfa now - a Giulietta. They are by far my favourite car maker!

  • @soniamatthews3267
    @soniamatthews3267 4 роки тому +3

    Can u imagine! my friend and I both had an Alphasud each in the 80's in JAMAICA West Indies. I loved the small steering wheel and the bucket seat. I felt like a race car driver when I drove my Alphasud in the island navigating the corners and climbing the hills. When I drove into the gas station everyone would jump out of the way. What a woman driving so fast! Taking off was fast as a rabbit! and changing the gears was exciting!. I loved loved my Alphasud until buying parts became uneconomical coming all the way from Europe. Miss my baby alpha romeo. Bring it back!!!

  • @albertogambino2562
    @albertogambino2562 4 роки тому +7

    It's a wrong common belief that Alfas were made out of russian steel. Includig the Alfasud. They steel used was casted in ILVA steelplant in Taranto, Italy.

  • @tonybrook7768
    @tonybrook7768 4 роки тому +6

    My favourite car of all time was the Alfasud, with it's raspy exhaust and sharp handling. Ok, it rusted to bits, but so did my Ford Escorts, Cortinas, and one Capri, but the Alfa was the most fun by a long margin. Good bird puller too, as it goes. Great memories.

  • @jasongomez5344
    @jasongomez5344 4 роки тому +7

    Aren't you forgetting that the Alfasud wasn't a hatchback until the series 3?
    Still miss my Sprint 1.7 QV.

  • @BanjoLuke1
    @BanjoLuke1 4 роки тому +1

    This is an interesting piece. I think it raises some questions it doesn't really answer....
    1. The term Hot Hatch didn't exist until later, and anyway for most of its life the Alfasud was a saloon.
    2. VW made the GTi out of a seemingly competent but mundane family car. The base Alfasud was not that.... Lat four, low C of G, low bonnet line, quite complex suspension, 4 discs (front inboard)... and so on. It was really quite an advanced little package, even in base form.
    3. Right across Europe (outside Italy) Alfa were a niche product. There wasn't the dealer network on the UK to support big sales.
    4. The Alfasud really was a little car. The Golf was not big, but the 'Sud was really tiny.
    5. If saloons count as 1970s hot hatches, maybe the Austin 1300gt was an early one....

  • @simonhodgetts6530
    @simonhodgetts6530 3 роки тому +1

    It’s the Alfasud’s fault that I love Alfas, and am currently on my third one. It was a pea-green TI from about 1977, which used to scream down our road every day. Compared with the BL, Vauxhall and Ford motors my neighbours had, it was an exotic little gem.

  • @brittennz
    @brittennz 2 роки тому +1

    Incorrect, AlfaSud was made in Napels from the same steel the Julas were made in Milan/Turin.
    The Russians had nothing to do with it getting rust, bad work practices did.

  • @delahayenator
    @delahayenator 3 роки тому

    My dad had a new Sud ti 1st series in 74. Very nice car, blu ollandese on stilauto 5 spoke wheels, abarth exhaust, Momo steering wheel. The mods to put on it back then.
    And foglights under the bumper ofcourse;)

  • @peteroborn1692
    @peteroborn1692 4 роки тому +2

    Restoring one now! Passionate fans abound in UK, Aus, NZ & SA.

  • @ca9968
    @ca9968 3 роки тому

    I had a 1983 1.5 Superhatch in 5 door in South Africa in 1996, she was my first car, I called her Delores and she was fantastic, handled like a go cart!

    • @christiaanwilhelmnieuwoudt7713
      @christiaanwilhelmnieuwoudt7713 Рік тому

      Do you live in South Africa? I had exactly the same one in '83 with the two downdraft Delorto carbs....metallic saffire blue, tinted windows, a beautiful car...

    • @christiaanwilhelmnieuwoudt7713
      @christiaanwilhelmnieuwoudt7713 Рік тому

      ...got it brand new off the floor at Alfa Supreme in Claremont...Cape Town..

    • @ca9968
      @ca9968 Рік тому

      @@christiaanwilhelmnieuwoudt7713 I moved to SA (Joburg, East Rand) from the UK in 1983 at age 6...stayed until 2017...back in the UK now sadly...
      Mine was white...it was given to me by a family friend as a non runner, I got her resprayed, re-did the interior myself and then got the engine sorted...I still miss that car...

  • @peterjennings8258
    @peterjennings8258 4 роки тому

    My first car was a 83 sprint green cloverleaf a coupe version of the car you drove..... bought mine in 1993 .. and drove it yesterday to go shopping ..... still love it after 27 years.... everything electrical works.... everything mechanical works and it's now on 118k.... while I overhauled it over the last 5years it was always reliable... and rust while it is well documented .... I didnt find mine dissolved any faster than my mums ford escort....
    Back in the day I always thought the inboard brakes were good ... but I grant you today they dont inspire the confidence that modern cars do.... but i imagine if you drove an mk2 escort or a mk1 golf.....they wouldn't feel like a modern car either....
    I love it still after all these years
    Cheers

  • @TomTremayne
    @TomTremayne 4 роки тому +4

    The old Russian steel bullshit from a guy who studies old episodes of 'Top Gear' before he does his commentaries, oh well......

  • @mattbettany1174
    @mattbettany1174 4 роки тому +3

    I had a Quadrifoglio Oro ( Gold Cloverleaf) same 1.5 boxer . Interesting video although as someone else pointed out a little bit off on the facts . Roadster Life’s video on the Alfasud is worth a watch even just for the Italian accent 🇮🇹

    • @TheAllMightyGodofCod
      @TheAllMightyGodofCod 4 роки тому +1

      I agree and he got the facts right.

    • @beniaminomartellotta5050
      @beniaminomartellotta5050 4 роки тому +1

      matthew bettany not exactly the same engine, gold cloverleaf has 95 hp, green cloverleaf has 105 hp

    • @mattbettany1174
      @mattbettany1174 4 роки тому

      Beniamino Martellotta correct but mine had twin carbs on mine from a QV so it was a 105

    • @beniaminomartellotta5050
      @beniaminomartellotta5050 4 роки тому

      matthew bettany That is not correct, the gold has an engine number 301.28 and the green 301.46 with different camshafts, the carburetors can be different, but not the camshafts 😉

    • @mattbettany1174
      @mattbettany1174 4 роки тому

      Beniamino Martellotta I bought my car off a guy who had several suds and he’d put a QV engine in it . It was a 105 in my car

  • @jamesavickers5961
    @jamesavickers5961 3 роки тому

    Wonderful

  • @mikewatsonsmith3056
    @mikewatsonsmith3056 4 роки тому +1

    Lovely to see a pristine series 3. I had 3 Suds a series 1 ti 1286 76bhp, series 2 1490 with 85bhp and a series 3 with the twin Weber’s exactly like this one 105 bhp. A friend of mine bought it in the end and wrote that it off which I never forgave him for. The series 1 failed its 1st MOT for corrosion issues, the series 2 was much better but just short of oomph compared to a Golf GTI. The big inaccuracy with this video is of course that only the series 3 was a hatchback, the other series had conventional boots, so the Sud was never in contention. As far as the colours were concerned I think the Germans dictated the colours for the hot hatch, ( Black Silver Red and White) and anyway who buying an Alfa would ever consider any other colour but Red anyway....

  • @declanpboles
    @declanpboles 3 роки тому +3

    It wasn't Russian steel it was Industrial strikes,that left the un finished shells out in the elements..

  • @JULIAN8845
    @JULIAN8845 4 роки тому +2

    the steel was not the problem.they stored them outside unpainted.clipped in screens rotted with no rubbers.the box sections were filled with foam which acted like spongewith unpainted box sections.even the suspension arms were filled with sound deadeningfoam.

  • @madpadi
    @madpadi 4 роки тому

    Loved the Sud Had a 1.5 ti cloverleaf in black back in the day like that one Loved it so much

  • @pascalignoti3265
    @pascalignoti3265 4 роки тому

    Merci beaucoup pour cette vidéo car je suis dingue de cette alfa sud ti depuis tout-petit merci merci

  • @alfone1973
    @alfone1973 3 роки тому

    Nice video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @joaoguimaraes4993
    @joaoguimaraes4993 4 роки тому +1

    Years later came SEAT Leon, cut copy paste. Beautiful alfasud this one. Congratulations, red italiano.

    • @paolore6765
      @paolore6765 4 роки тому

      Red Alfa or rosso Alfa (in Italian ) Ciao👍

  • @robertl2856
    @robertl2856 4 роки тому

    Nice little item thanks

  • @alanwayte1688
    @alanwayte1688 4 роки тому +1

    Great content as always, great looking Alfa..My Dad also had a Lancia Beta in 81...it was scrapped in 85 due to rust in floor and door frame...but it was stylish handsome compared to the Cortina that preceded it...Russian Steel indeed

    • @tino5801
      @tino5801 3 роки тому

      @dan dare Correct!

  • @GoldsboroughHall
    @GoldsboroughHall 4 роки тому +1

    Great video and great car. I love the Sud, learnt to drive in one, was my first car with many more after that. I wish it could be called the first hot hatch, it was brilliant, launched in 71 well before the VW Golf in 74, except the Sud did not get particularly 'hot' or have a 'hatch' until the 80s and by then the Golf GTI had been around since 76. Prior to 82 the Sud was a compact saloon car with a boot, not a hatchback. That is why it can not be called the first hot hatch... What it could be called is the inspiration.

  • @blessingsinfinity
    @blessingsinfinity 3 роки тому

    If you know of anyone who would take on an Alfa sud it's in Woodford green and the owner now 92' needs to sell it to a passionate enthusiast that will up date him and keep in touch so he can see the progress of his car and see it driving . The car still drives fine

    • @andrewking7599
      @andrewking7599 3 роки тому

      Hi, I'd like to know more details please

    • @RedBullae92
      @RedBullae92 3 роки тому

      Good morning, can you give any more details? More than happy to save an Alfasud, wished I kept the ones I'd had years ago.

  • @ninonucaro8539
    @ninonucaro8539 4 роки тому +1

    Every fucking barmy has his own onky to 50% truth about any Alfa. The Golf Mk I was also designed by Giugiaro and was as rusty as the AlfaSud which the Germans changed faster than the Italians, but the Alfa didn't belong to the knew founded car mafia exactly in 1970, the Ferman car lobby, which would go and buy every bigger car mag in the western hemisphere mostly only the tester, like every arse-hole of Top Gear etc. etc. I love British cars, but compared to them, Italian cars are 20 yesrs ahead.

  • @manos3790
    @manos3790 4 роки тому

    The steel could've been Sheffield's finest, but if you don't prime the inside of panels etc , you'll squash the legendary status this car truly deserved, instantly.

    • @ianmontgomery7213
      @ianmontgomery7213 4 роки тому

      The only place mine rusted (until I had an accident and got poor repairs) was around the rear window where some idiot engineer had decided on a method of attaching unnecessary chrome strips that put scratches in the paint work and let rust form. i replaced the rear edge of the rear window and then filled the area around the window with black Silastic. it looked much better and hadn't rusted when I got rid of the car after 13 years of ownership.

    • @manosparavida3551
      @manosparavida3551 3 роки тому

      @@ianmontgomery7213 I had a 4 door Alfa red, gold cloverleaf with the 105 to engine and rustproofed from the factory with aftermarket Eximm rims. Possibly the most handsome Alfasud in the uk?. Had a slight frontend collision and foolishly let it go to a breaker's yard in 1997-8. I'd still be driving it now, after a couple of engine rebuild's. BTW I was formerly manos3790.

  • @marksimpson8193
    @marksimpson8193 4 роки тому +1

    It was not the first hot hatch. By the time it was a hatch and it was hot (1.5 twin carbs), the Volkswagen Golf GTI was the established hot hatch.

    • @DjNikGnashers
      @DjNikGnashers 4 роки тому

      The 1971 BMW 2000 tii touring was the first hot hatch, and faster than both the Golf & Alfasud.

  • @DjNikGnashers
    @DjNikGnashers 4 роки тому

    Aside from a lot of myths that seem to be put over as 'fact' (but are untrue) in this video, there is also one glaring fault with it.
    This is not the first hot hatchback.
    That honour goes to the 1971 BMW 2000 tii Touring.
    The 2L engine was good for 138bhp, which helped it get to from 0-60mph in 8.6 seconds and 115mph, faster than the Mk1 Golf Gti (8.8 0-60 & 113mph), and the Alfa 1.5 ti cloverleaf (10.2 0-60 & 112mph).
    It had a hatchback, a big (for the time) engine, and RWD, so was a genuine 'hot' car.
    After that the Autobianchi A112 Abarth in 1971, and then the Simca 1100 ti in 1973.

  • @TomTremayne
    @TomTremayne 4 роки тому +1

    That badge on the right hand side of the grill has a little bracket behind with 2 x 10mm nuts on the back of it. It's easy to remove. Please do the right thing.

  • @fabiograsta7114
    @fabiograsta7114 4 роки тому +1

    Le vecchie alfa sono strepitose ed opere d'arte

  • @shelbygtsoo
    @shelbygtsoo 2 місяці тому

    Bought brand new Black 1.5Ti back in 1984 from the 1983 left over stock at a bargain price. Young and crazy I kept driving like mad man till it crashed …. TWICE!! Then sold for 400$😢😢😢😢😢

  • @Vincenzo-wn1or
    @Vincenzo-wn1or 4 роки тому +1

    Quadrifoglio Verde = green four leaf Clover

  • @alastairwatson3201
    @alastairwatson3201 3 роки тому +1

    Another ill-informed piece on "Russian steel," the biggest ever fallacy to surround Italian cars. The Alfasud was made of Italian steel manufactured in Turin (Taranto, maybe? Somewhere IN Italy beginning with T) and the rust problem had more to do with poor drainage and Alfa worksers' not infrequent strike action, which saw unpainted shells left in the open for weeks at a time. If you want to know the truth, may I suggest watching Roadster Life's video on the 'sud. This one is bollock-rot!

    • @CarFilms
      @CarFilms  3 роки тому

      What you are referring to there is a difference of opinion. This happens with historical accounts.
      Here’s how it works - you have heard from a source you believe to be credible, and I have done the same.
      The difference is, I got off my arse and made a video about a car I’m enthusiastic about, whereas from your “another ill-informed” comment it’s clear you rather spend your time trawling through the Internet watching videos you know you won’t like, just so you can leave a little nugget of negativity in the comments.
      Thanks for watching - I suggest my Ford Mondeo ST200 video next, you’ll LOVE my suggestion that it’s a grand tourer.
      I hope your day gets better. 👍🏻

  • @WalkableBuffalo
    @WalkableBuffalo 4 роки тому

    It screams Skoda Rapid to me, love the rapid and now very curious about the Alfasud

  • @ianmontgomery7213
    @ianmontgomery7213 4 роки тому

    Are you sure it was Government policy. Alfa themselves were the ones that came up with the idea of the south factory.

    • @peterjennings8258
      @peterjennings8258 4 роки тому

      They wanted a new factory and went cap in hand to the government for funding..... who said sure..... if you build it in the high unemployment south......

  • @paulbaumer8210
    @paulbaumer8210 4 роки тому

    The reason it wasn't the first hot hatch is because the early cars weren't hatches. Also, they never put a properly quick engine in these things. A fuel injected 1.7 would have made all the difference. Or a turbo on the 1.5. The brakes were good, BTW (compared to other cars of the mid 70s but not compared to cars of the 80s) but the gearbox was truly appalling on the 70s cars.

    • @DjNikGnashers
      @DjNikGnashers 4 роки тому

      Yes.
      The 1971 BMW 2000 tii touring was the first hot hatch, and faster than both the Golf & Alfasud.

  • @porleg
    @porleg 3 роки тому

    Alphas and Japanese cars of this era are crap, but so good at the same time. Super fun to drive

  • @MegaReddevil71
    @MegaReddevil71 2 роки тому

    They were quick in the early 80s when they were new cars with much larger engines couldn't keep up we had one and regularly won the traffic light grand prix xr3is struggled But today there slow compared to a modern car 1.0 fiesta is quicker lol

  • @anthonyxuereb792
    @anthonyxuereb792 4 роки тому

    Car was designed by a German, at least the mechanicals were. My brother had one and it was fantastic and to drive.

    • @federicodoria292
      @federicodoria292 4 роки тому +2

      Actually Rudolf Hruska was an austrian, former Porsche Engineer. The designer of Alfasud has been Giugiaro (if i remember correctly 0.44 CX). My father had one, bought on January '78, 5 speed, 1200cc Super, 63 CV; kept until 1991 when he bought a Lancia. The Alfasud has been stored in a garage where until the day when he donate it to a friend was fully working and without rust exept a little point close to the external mirror. Because my father knew that the most cars of that era had the problem of rust (the alfasud has been the first car of this brand for a large mass of people, Fiat made political pression for to boicot it because it was way better than the Fiat cars of the era, some say that behind the massive strikes of pomigliano there was Fiat's hand), he had sprayed with a sort of gummy paint the hidden and proned to rust parts. I learned to drive on tha Alfasud in desert country roads even if i was too young for getting the driver license, as forced :) apprentice of my father i learned how to do many mechanical works on our Alfasud that to be honest are been all of maintenance. Despite the bad reputation, our sample has always been very reliable and robust (all the bolts were made by Wurth and all were bigger than Fiat's bolts, my mother in that time drove a Fiat), maybe because of regular maintenance, fact that the most of people thinks is a negletable option, but with italian cars that was the worst mistake to do, you have to treat them as you do with ladys, with costant attentions and warming it up before to use it.

  • @antonbless
    @antonbless 4 роки тому

    Brakes on the drive shafts🤦🏽‍♂️ My first car in 1988

    • @peterjennings8258
      @peterjennings8258 4 роки тому +1

      Hand brake cable is good fun to change......😉

  • @doddsalfa
    @doddsalfa 3 роки тому

    Rusted away my ass

  • @NanofreundI
    @NanofreundI 4 роки тому +1

    Nice Alfa, super Boxer 👍👌
    LG Gert 🇩🇪
    ua-cam.com/video/_MdUTeMXDbo/v-deo.html

  • @RussianSpaceman
    @RussianSpaceman 4 роки тому

    it wasn't first

    • @DjNikGnashers
      @DjNikGnashers 4 роки тому

      Yep.
      The 1971 BMW 2000 tii touring was the first hot hatch, and faster than both the Golf & Alfasud.

  • @marchutchings8834
    @marchutchings8834 4 роки тому

    I have never owned a more unreliaible car than this nightmare. Utter shit.