I cried when rust finally killed my Alfasud 1.5ti after 5 years of ownership. I still have the Alfasud badge it wore. In 1992 I drove 16 miles across London at 4 am in the morning in 31 minutes, impossible to do today with all the road humps and speed cameras around now. I will never forget that drive with that exhaust sound bouncing off all the London buildings. It felt like a rally stage. I'm going to cry again.:(
So I’ve got to tell you a story that obviously never happened. I pulled up at the lights with my green Alfasud ti. An identical red one pulled up beside me. We looked at each other. The lights changed. There followed a lovely 20 mile jaunt across London with the sights passing by in a blur. We arrived at the final traffic lights at the exact same moment then with a pip of the horn we went our separate ways. He must have tuned his twin carbs just like me.
😂 I am with you. I was very sad when I had to part with my 1978 base model Alfasud. It was so fun to drive and willing to go round corners. I only had it from 1984 to 1985 and bought it cheap - it was all I could afford at the time. a combination of a bad oil leak, rust and the need for more reliable transport made me sell it. But I am so glad I got to experience the Alfasud!
Dittos to you and others that have commented. Cried when I parted with mine. HME 921N. If someone dumped another rust bucket in my driveway, I'd say bring it on!!!!!!! She was a great car especially in snow & ice!
I own a 1983 Alfa Romeo “Alfasud” Sprint. It’s a gorgeous car, I get questions about it everywhere I go. As for the rust issue: I live in Arizona, bought the car 12 years ago, and it had spent all of its time from new in Arizona. The man who owned it before me was an Alfa mechanic, he even refused to drive it on the rare rainy days we have in Arizona. It only has 67,000 miles and still drives like a new car. The performance isn’t shattering, but it is a very quick car that lives to be revved. The handling is incredible.
my father had one it was the first car i drove ,it would always has a special place in my heart .He sold it cause of the rust , outside was perfect but inside under the carpets was a mess . After he bought an alfa 33 1,5 also a fantastic car .
Nice story Mike. Would be interested to hear how it came to Arizona as it was a model never officially exported and sold to the US. Hope Alfa is once again making a comeback over your side of the pond. Enjoy your boxer motoring, for me there's nothing quite like it!
Apparently the whole Soviet steel thing was a myth. If I recall correctly some deals had been done but Alfa never used the Soviet steel. Can’t remember the details but there’s quite a bit on YT and internet on this. Either way - great video! Proud owner of 4 Alfas :)
I had a 1983 1.5L Superhatch as my first car in South Africa in 1996, I got her with a busted Cam Belt and bent valves...took her to a specialist Alfa mechanic in Johannesburg and he transplanted an engine he had from an Alfa 1.5L Group B Touring Car that had been rear ended, that little thing could kill most cars with bigger engines, my best mate had a 1.8 Golf 1 CTi and he couldn`t keep up on the highway...LOVED that little car! Listening to this has made me realize that mine was probably one of the last ones made, great episode! Brought back some great memories of my hour long drive to college every morning with 2 great friends.
@@davidmg1925 it wasn`t cheap by any stretch of the imagination but the race car it came from was a total write off, the rear end was all but unrecognizable and the guy that had it was an independent Alfa specialist that ran a little shop out the back of a BP Garage, he worked on a few of the touring cars back in the day and had it lying around in his yard to use for spares, we did a deal and he did the work..it cost roughly 3 months salary to get the engine put in and tuned, a new spray job and a few touch ups to the interior...she was very temperamental but in general ran well...
I had a Black Sprint Green Cloverleaf as pictured with the gorgeous alloys; there was always a buzz of excitement every time you turned the key to find out how many cylinders were on duty that day... but I loved every corroding inch of it.
@@one_flew_over_the_cuckoos_nest Of course one thing Allegro did get right was rust proving, they were a vast improvement on the ADO16 (Austin 1100 / 1300) in that respect. Pressed Steel pointed out the rust traps in ADO16 to Sir Alec Issigonis but he said to build it anyway without a redesign. So evidently he wasn't perfect.
My dad had one in my childhood in the 80's. It was a 1200 5 speed model from around 1977. I dont remember it as rusty, but the paint color was "rust" so maybe not so noticable. However the guy who bought it from us told us that it could have snapped over a speedbump. It was about 10 years and did about 100k kilometers when he got rid of it. It needed a new exhauster every year (yes really, twin pipes and only available as original part afaik) - they put a lot of salt in the winter in my area. Sometimes the door locks froze in the winter, so you had to leave them unlocked in the night (and remember your audio tapes because the car was left in a public parking lot). I remember some electrical gremlins too, resulting in the car refusing to start randomly. In the end it got too expensive to keep running, and they had to get rid of it. I only have fond memories of the car, and was very sorry to see it go, also because I knew they werent getting another car :)
My parents had one in the mid 70s. At less than 2 years old it had severe rot and would refuse to start in anything like damp weather. Once, my mum put the shopping in the boot only to see it go straight through the floor to the ground. They were that desperate to sell it, Dad would leave the keys in the ignition and tehe door open outside the house. No-one took it, eventually the local Renault dealer took pity on him and flogged him a final shape 16TS. He refused to even entertain another Italian car and thought I was insane for getting a 159.
Long duration of outside storage was not only influenced by strikes, but often by the fact that the workers - many being farmers sons- did not show up at work during harvest times in various seasons as they were expected by family tradition to helpout on the farm and though stayed away for several days and even weeks without notice. Those were the days of " la bella vita italiana" of the seventies.
@@k3kboi665 I think it refers to a way of life that in general is carefree, more about looking good and enjoying life than occupying yourself with lowly chores and obligations. See also the concept of “una bella figura”.
I remember looking at one of these in the 90s with a mate who knew cars. I loved it and was really keen to buy. My mate crawled under the car for a look, and emerged and said - nah, this is not the car for you. I asked in a winey voice- c'mon man, why not? He said, hold out your hand, I did and he sprinkled some red powder into it and said... That's the floor.
I owned a 1982 Alfasud Sprint Veloce in the mid 1980s. It had the flat four 1.5 litre engine with two twin downdraught Weber carbs, one on each side of the engine. It came in Alfa red with a tan fabric interior and it was a lovely car to drive. Sadly, the body rusted badly and it ended up looking a bit tatty. I eventually wrote it off in a spectacular crash in southern Spain (from which I emerged totally unscathed) and it ended up in a scrap yard in Jaén. However, I became a huge fan of the marque and later bought a brand new 156 which I also loved to bits.
I've got one on my channel where I drive a Lancia Beta Spyder Zagato with nice engine and exhaust sounds🎷, an California import so completely rust free amazingly. A spontaneous drive so the phone I filmed it with fell a few times so apologies for that in advance
I can't wait to see a video of the Alfa Romeo 33 story. It was my dad's last Alfa that he owned and I loved it. I was very sad when he sold it and bought an SUV
I remember a Time or US News & World Report cover story called "Italy's Minestrone of Strikes" about the time of this Alfa intro. And, oh, NO - Soviet Steel!
Thank you for a great video! I really enjoyed watching it as I have previously owned 3 Alfasud's, and currently have a 1989 Sprint Veloce Cloverleaf 1.7 sat in my garage.
I got a Datsun Cherry Europe in 1984. It was an attempt by Datsun (Nissan) to get round European import restrictions. Basically it was a Datsun Cherry body married up with Alfasud interior, boxer engine and running gear and was assembled in Italy. In some ways it was the best of both worlds. The Datsun bodywork was rust free and Japanese involvement ensured better build quality and it was still fun to drive like an Alfasud. They didn't sell many but I had mine 3 years with no problems and no rust.
great video, thanks. I owned a Veloce Sprint in 1984, it was garaged most of the time while I worked overseas. I loved driving it, especially the perfect torque steer that allowed me to go around motorway junction roundabout (before traffic lights were added!) without moving the steering wheel - just the accelerator. Sadly, it dissolved in water, my Alfa Selzer.
One of my first cars was a diarrhoea brown Alfasud 1.5Ti, and I loved it - the flat 4 boxer engine made a fantastic rasp, and the cornering was amazing... A very easy car to maintain too. Quality control wasn't so great though - when you went round corners, the heater (which was on a steering wheel stalk) came on, and the alternator wasn't powerful enough to run the lights, heater and windscreen wipers at the same time, so you had to make some difficult choices on cold, dark winter days... Worst experience though was driving to university round the M25 in the pouring rain, when one of my wipers stopped working. Climbing out of the car to investigate, I found that the metal round the base of the wiper arm had corroded so badly, that the whole wiper mechanism had flown off into the night, never to be seen again. Despite all that, I loved the car to death, and kept it for years.
@@jonsvenson7056 The Graduate was the base model. Then came the Veloce which had power windows, alloy wheels, and leather interior. The Quadrifoglio was the top of the line, had different front air dam, side skirts, and other trim pieces that made look more "sportier", there were other minor cosmetic differences, both interior and exterior. It was too much added for my taste, the Veloce is the one I wanted. I had a brochure for 1987 that featured the Spider and the Milano that I used as bookmark for years.
My dad had the Sud 1.5 T.i in 1983. We had It for 4 years , no rust and bucket loads of performance and style. Perhaps we were lucky! Wonderful video as usual , thanks👍
Nice video, thank you. I have 4 Alfas and 3 of them are Alfasuds. They are technically interesting and full of character. For me they have not been difficult to maintain. The later series had much better rust protection so for these Suds, rust was not such a big issue. I wish I had a rare Giardinetta!
Rust was a VERY big issue in France because the winter climate and the salty roads or oceanic boarding cities: the joke about alfasud in France was "this car are rusted in the catalog"...a friend buy one new in 1981, 1 year later was the first rust points visible and the font light optics was rusted...
Oh here we go again. No Italian cars were made from Russian steel!!!! This is myth that seemed to have done the rounds amongst British car reporters. The Russians paid with oil, not steel. Why would the Italians want steel from Russia anyway?! The Alfa plant was right next door to one of the main Italian steel works. Alfa and Fiat were all built from Italian steel so let's put this one to bed please. I love this channel but more research needed before conclusions of this nature.
My dad had one and I passed my test in it. He spent half his leisure time rustproofing and filling his 1350TI 1978 Alfasud. It was joked that were made of reject tinned tomato cans!
Beautiful car. A classic Italian beauty. Love the styling. Disc brakes all round, terrific. The car was before it's time. Wonderful handling. A real shame about the build quality. To be honest, I still want one!
Thanks for the video. As an American I never got to see these (at least until I visited Italy), but from coverage in the magazines it seemed like a fascinating car. It's amusing to see styling comparisons with other cars of the period. The Giugiaro "look" certainly held sway. BTW. I owned a '79 X1/9. Lovely car, but it rusted if you sneezed in its vicinity.
Alfas are great. Even their worst models from 90s and early 2000s, that were basically rebadged Fiats, everybody claim there was something special about the way they handled. You probably know what they say in Europe, that you're not a car guy, unless you've had Alfa Romeo.
@@tomsommer8372 I've seen IVth generation Pontiac Firebird and Camaro from underneath, they didn't even have that polymer anti-rock seal on the bottom even the worst European cars have as standard.
@@tomsommer8372 growing up my parents had sled dogs. They bought a chevy truck a "custom deluxe 10" in 1976. A year later it was a rust bucket and traded in on stationwagon/estate in 1979. It simply got too unsafe to drive. I have had several italian cars over the years, most Fiats and a lone Lancia. I still have a 1974 124 Spider and a new 500 Abarth. There is nothing like an Italian car!
Tuve un Alfasud en los años 80.Su tracción delantera era increiblemente firme y precisa acelerando a fondo,a diferencia de otros como por ejemplo el Reanault 18,que se desacomodaba lateralmente y planeaba.La caja de cambios excelente.Doblaba muy muy bien.Era un autito que te pedía manejarlo y acelerarlo.Se hacía amar a pesar de todo.Aún lo extraño y volvería a tener otro.Saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina
I bought one of these wonderful machines in the 1970s when I live by the sea in Lowestoft. Yes, all that lovely salt air doing battle with Italian paint and cheap Soviet steel but the Alfa actually won out on the day and a product called Waxoyl no doubt helped. The Alfa survives to this day still in pristine condition, starts first time on at least two of its four cylinders with the other pots joining in when they feel ready. I have stuck with the brand through the years and can say that not once has any of my Alfa's failed to get me to my destination.
Nice story but............there was no Soviet steel used in the Alfasud, the steel was supplied by the Italsider steel mills in Taranto, same as that for the Milan factory. The rust problems were due to bad working practices, untrained staff, lazy short cuts in production. but strikes and absenteeism certainly did not help. The whole truth is revealed in my book; 'Alfasud - The Complete Story', published in August 2021 by Crowood Press.
I do remember in 1982 driving in Bath going around a right hand bend and the dash falling off. It came clean off and hung there with the passenger holding on to it for dear life.
@@BigCar2 I was born in 75, so I can’t remember when it came out?, but It was because the man went back to the car and then the car went off the cliff I was like 😱
Excellent video, I remember as a young boy, being bought a model Alfasud in 1977 or 1978, by my parent's whilst in holiday in Wales. It was quite a large model and was yellow and I loved the styling, I don't know what happened to it, but I do know it won't have rusted, as the body was plastic!
Amazing how similar it looks to the aggro now you’ve pointed it out (specifically closer it looked to Harris Mann’s original design intent for the allegro and how much better received at home and abroad would the allegro have been if it had stayed truer to that?) and with similar quality issues however the Alfa badge can get you past a lot more deficiencies than the BL plug hole.
I still have a 1982 AlfaSud Sprint 1.5 Veloce, bought it in 1984, rosso red or course. Rebuilt in early 1990s and now only used on sunny days, 130,000 miles original engine - see you at National Alfa Day
Fantastic video as always. I love how you talk about normal, everyday cars with which we are so familiar. You almost always mention the fuel crisis, would it be too much to ask for a video on that some day?
@@BigCar2 thanks for replying. I don’t think you do, but I like the way you explain things and you’d make a somewhat dour subject more interesting. If you can make a video about the Toyota Prius worth watching, the oil crisis will be a breeze 😀
@@BigCar2 The other influence (or consequence) was the US fuel efficiency standards that changed the face of US motoring (from full-size to smaller cars, along with a move to exempt trucks) and had impacts around the world. I find it interesting that Australia, who continued to evolve what started as the US 'compact' car kept that larger size as the US itself moved to Camrys and Accords under CAFE-like schemes.
One of my uncles had a Sud in 1976. Well, until it rained one night that is. He woke up the next morning and all he saw was 4 upright wheels with a pile of rust of what had been his car in the middle of them.
I just wanted to say how much love the channel so great to see the cars iv grownup with brings back great memories my daddy had a Triumph1500. And I’m looking to get a classic car in a few years. Many thanks for all your hard and great work all ways look forward to the new vids 👍👍
An Alfa video! On my birthday! Awesome. Been in love with their cars for a long time, especially my 164 that accompanied me for a very long time and never broke down no matter what people say about quality.
After I left school in the early 90s me and my dad discovered an 1984 Alfa Sud GTA Green Clover Leaf, sitting under a car cover in the back of someone's yard. It was my 1st car. My dad helped me buying it for 8500 South African Rand at the time. It was extremely fast for a 1500 back then. Apparently there were only 8 in South Africa. It was available in only 1 colour, dark Grey. Had plastic bumpers, plastic around the wheel arches, huge back spoiler, green checkered seats, and sporting steering.
When the Sprint had its restyle in the 1980s, it initially kept the 'sud suspension and brakes. Took a few more year before they switched to the 33 brakes and suspension. Great fun car.
I remember driving on the M6 up to Manchester when the windscreen washers fell into the engine compartment due to rust. I was running late so took to following trucks so I could use their spray to clean the screen. Still, the 1.5 Ti Sud was one of my favourite cars as it was so much fun to drive. The good looks added to its handling and the responsive boxer engine made it a superb driving car.
Thanks, well researched as always. They were great fun to drive, but boy could they rust, the term "rust bucket" is an insult to buckets which lasted far longer.
Alfa Romeo improved the rust problems with the Alfa 6. With it's sloppily galvanized body, it rusted at an unprecedented rate. I vaguely remember the trunk lock not being held in place any more after maybe one year. The rust has already fully "eaten" the surrounding steel. After that experience, the Alfasud's rust problems just appeared as a minor issue to me. Interesting how the Alfa 6 shifted my perception! But, surprisingly, I've seen n Alfa 6 a few years ago in Germany, on the road. The last time I've seen an Alfasud was in the 1980s.
I owned two "suds" as they were affectionately known. I had the 1.2 TI and the later 1.5 Green cloverleaf. I loved those cars, the handling was fantastic, unfortunately, both suffered from the dreaded car cancer rust, but they both sparked my love for Italian cars.
Another fantastic video Very informative! Love alfa romeo's and Lancia, just a shame here in UK, hard to find any that are not literally a pile of rust in a bucket!! Never knew they had an estate version!!
My dad used to race an Alfasud in the 70s. He still has a photo with a wheel in the air in a hairpin. Eventually the rust problem killed the car but it was an amazing vehicle from what I have been told.
As always, very many thanks for your meticulous research. Normally used to larger more powerful beasts; I bought UVK519T (1.3ti) as a stop gap for a few weeks between cars. I drove it for nearly a year before selling it. Wide low profile tyres are now expected - but the Sud cornered as if on rails on it's tiny155/80 section 13s'. I've never known any car with better balanced handling. It did not even have a basic radio - driving it was entertainment enough. Even at just over a year old, the 'tinworm' was appearing everywhere. Reliability was very poor too; snapped front coil spring and brake pad friction surfaces detaching from the backing (front were inboard) is not much fun. Original Lodge multigap spark plugs were expensive. At the time I did all my own repairs. With much improved build the Sud could have been a World beater, knocking Astras' and Escorts' into a cocked hat. They said something similar about the Rover SD1 and I had 2 of those! Glutton for punishment perhaps - though to be fair the SD1s' weren't nearly as bad.
Before I even watch the video I look forward to your videos every single time, they are well researched and a pleasure to view Just sending a bit of community support
One version you didn't mention was an Australian special based on the Sprint. Around a dozen or so were sold in Australia. They were fitted with a mid-mounted Holden 5 litre V8 and they were very fast. They were called the Giocatello (or something like that). They were the brainchild of the owner of The Toy Store in Sydney.
Not true. The original Allegro design was much nicer than the Alfasud but issues prevented the car from replicating the drawings which was a crying shame.
@@ericgeorge5483 The designer Harris Mann reckoned that his original design was tweaked by BL’s engineers because of two main factors; the use of the Maxi’s E-series engine for 1500 and 1750cc variants, which along with the in-sump gearbox, resulted in a tall power plant, and the late decision to use the same heater assembly as that developed for the Morris Marina. Both things meant the bonnet line was raised compared to the original design. Mann’s design was also less “barrel sided” - the “spring” in curved panels when released from the body dies having not been fully accounted for. It left the side panels a couple of millimetres out from the centre of the car when assembled, compared to the clay styling models. A tiny change, but enough to just tip the car towards looking rounded as opposed to crisply styled like the Alfasud. If the Allegro had just been left with A-series engines, or given E-series engines with end-on gearboxes (as happened with the related R and S series engines in its replacement, the Maestro), and a bespoke heater assembly, then the Allegro could have had a lower bonnet line and had a convincing claim to being the British Alfasud. There would still have been the issue of the quartic steering wheel (fixed for the series 2 models in any case), and lack of hatchback (as with the Alfasud for much of its life), but if the Allegro had just got off to a better start there might even have been more money in the coffers to develop it along the line. The Allegro was even assembled in Italy - it was briefly available as the licence-built Innocenti Regent, before BL pulled out of such deals in the wake of mid-70s nationalisation. Much of this information is from another Big Car video on the Allegro, and from the brilliant AROnline website.
Alfasud beautiful car, unfortunately a much quoted saying of the time went "The only car that already started to rust in the sales brochure". Never owned an Alfa myself !
In the Netherlands we made fun of the AlfaSud rust issues at the time. It was said that if you would hold the brochure close to your ear you could hear it rust. :)
The car itself was brilliant - but the steel it was forced to use was the real issue. The engine is virtually indestructible and makes a superb drive ...
Amazing to see how many cars of this era were touched by Independent designers, with there similarities jumping from one brand to the other. Helped give cars a sort of soul thats missing today!
Those headlights are almost too modern looking for the era, sort of remind me of the sort of facelifts given to boxy ‘80s cars in the likes of Russia or China where they’re given the rounded headlight and tail light treatment to help them linger on for another few years
Does anyone remember the ‘AutoMart’ ? This was full of 1500 Alfa Sprints in the mid to late eighties. Always wanted one, but bought a black 1275GT, and didn’t regret it. Interestingly, the Mini seemed to be just as partial to rust as the Alfa was reputed to be and I ended up scrapping it as a result in 1987. I would now happily own either of them. Good programme. Keep them coming.
Perhaps the under the cover thing might indeed be a fun recurring item, heck...I've got some very interesting cars under covers in my neighbourhood, which actually would also fit perfectly for future videos
If you can find what they are with the permission of the owner, I'd love to get some photos for future videos. Please e-mail them to bigcartv@hotmail.com
Great video, many thanks, been so precise I missed a reference about the Alfa Romeo Arna (Who had the idea?? : ) Not relevant but in Spain since we were not yet in the EU the Alfasud was expensive doe the extra protection VAT charges; just as an example, the 1.5 4 doors with 84 hp had a starting sale price of 1.008.000 Pesetas, so 6.064 € in 1981. While a Seat 131 Supermirafiori 2.0 CLX with 114 HP full equiped was 900.000 pesetas, 5415 €. And a Seat Ritmo CLX with 82 Hp. 738.000 Pesetas or 4.436 € Therefore there were very very few; in 1982 when I was attending Arts I used to have a classmate, I was just 14, she was in her mid 30s, and she switched a rare Innocenti De Tomaso for an Alfasud Sprint Veloce, which was very expensive in Spain.
I was 7 years old in Nairobi being shuttled around by my cousin in one of these beauties in the 80s, simpler times wonderful memories. Can still hear the engine.
Its understeering. You could not get it to oversteer. The body flex made the spension stop working. Steering was a bit slow. It would stay planted in fast sweeps. It was a better car overall than the GTI1 except top speed. Where it would really haul a GTI was fast driving in the alps because of its shorter gearing. And the girls loved the car
@@808bigisland haha, that comment about the girls lol, I have a black one in my unit, such a pretty car, it may be up for sale soon, its got 150 bhp race spec motor in it
brilliant looking and now rare small car that when seen in the wild sounded just amazing. pity about the rust problem, I think most of that comes from using poor quality steel.
The Alfasud should have been the car that took Alfa Romeo to another level but it appears that the company didn't fare much better than Leyland when it came to industrial problems and of course the nasty Russian Steel was the final nail in the coffin. That was a very interesting video, thanks for sharing.
I'm saying Alfa spider. May be wrong. I'll see! Super video, I had a alfasud ti cloverleaf in black many years ago. Great car, sold it when someone offered me twice what I payed for it. Probably should have kept it.
@@BigCar2 Yes! Please keep up covering Alfa Romeo. There is such a rich history... I drive a 2019 Giulietta Sport myself - it really is a shame that the image of this brand is still suffering immensely because of quality problems like the Alfasud disaster. Concerning sales, I really hope, that Stellantis can turn the tide for Alfa. Really love my Giulietta.
@@BigCar2 Hey Big Car, I’m considering a Mito QV as my first car. I can get one fairly cheap on insurance. Is this a good idea? My dad is worried about the 170bhp and won’t let me have one. Should I get one? I’m 14 and already have a lot of experience with cars.
I had a 1.3ti as a first car in 1984. It was a joy to drive. The engine demanded to be revved right up to the red line; peak power was at max revs so I would keep the boot in until the mechanical rev limiter kicked in and then snick it up a gear. The handling was superb. Gentle understeer could be provoked into a four wheel drift if you swung it into a corner fast enough. I once hit a loose bit of concrete on the motorway at 75mph. A rear wheel broke and the tyre when flat instantly. It was relatively easy to guide it to the hard shoulder - even on only three wheels. On the other hand, there were major problems. The door liners were apparently made from plastic coated Weetabix; when the door window seals leaked, the liners sagged and you could see the inside of the steel doors. The inboard front disk brakes doubled up as parking brakes. After a number of years the fluid seal around the parking brake actuating lever leaked. The only cure was a complete new caliper. Once a year I had to remove the front brake pads and file the edges of the backing plates or they would seize in the caliper. ... and, of course, the rust. I sold the car to a friend for parts after it failed the MOT test with extensive rust damage. The new owner got a dodgy MOT certificate and drove it around for another year until, while driving over a large bump in the road, the car body practically split in two along the weld behind the front bulkhead. He scraped to a halt with the floor of the car grinding along the tarmac. I miss that car. I have driven many cars in the 30-odd years since. None of them put a smile on my face like the old Alfa Rusteo.
I cried when rust finally killed my Alfasud 1.5ti after 5 years of ownership. I still have the Alfasud badge it wore. In 1992 I drove 16 miles across London at 4 am in the morning in 31 minutes, impossible to do today with all the road humps and speed cameras around now. I will never forget that drive with that exhaust sound bouncing off all the London buildings. It felt like a rally stage. I'm going to cry again.:(
So I’ve got to tell you a story that obviously never happened. I pulled up at the lights with my green Alfasud ti. An identical red one pulled up beside me. We looked at each other. The lights changed. There followed a lovely 20 mile jaunt across London with the sights passing by in a blur. We arrived at the final traffic lights at the exact same moment then with a pip of the horn we went our separate ways. He must have tuned his twin carbs just like me.
😂 I am with you. I was very sad when I had to part with my 1978 base model Alfasud. It was so fun to drive and willing to go round corners. I only had it from 1984 to 1985 and bought it cheap - it was all I could afford at the time. a combination of a bad oil leak, rust and the need for more reliable transport made me sell it. But I am so glad I got to experience the Alfasud!
@@richardj9016 And everyone clapped.
Dittos to you and others that have commented. Cried when I parted with mine. HME 921N. If someone dumped another rust bucket in my driveway, I'd say bring it on!!!!!!! She was a great car especially in snow & ice!
@@richardj9016 Great driving my red one from north London down to Surrey late at night. Special car!
I own a 1983 Alfa Romeo “Alfasud” Sprint. It’s a gorgeous car, I get questions about it everywhere I go. As for the rust issue: I live in Arizona, bought the car 12 years ago, and it had spent all of its time from new in Arizona. The man who owned it before me was an Alfa mechanic, he even refused to drive it on the rare rainy days we have in Arizona. It only has 67,000 miles and still drives like a new car. The performance isn’t shattering, but it is a very quick car that lives to be revved. The handling is incredible.
Yea Mike, I'm jealous!
my father had one it was the first car i drove ,it would always has a special place in my heart .He sold it cause of the rust , outside was perfect but inside under the carpets was a mess . After he bought an alfa 33 1,5 also a fantastic car .
Man you can easily fit a 137 hp 16 V engine....
Nice story Mike. Would be interested to hear how it came to Arizona as it was a model never officially exported and sold to the US. Hope Alfa is once again making a comeback over your side of the pond. Enjoy your boxer motoring, for me there's nothing quite like it!
You likely have one of the nicest examples left in the world!
Apparently the whole Soviet steel thing was a myth. If I recall correctly some deals had been done but Alfa never used the Soviet steel. Can’t remember the details but there’s quite a bit on YT and internet on this. Either way - great video! Proud owner of 4 Alfas :)
I had a 1983 1.5L Superhatch as my first car in South Africa in 1996, I got her with a busted Cam Belt and bent valves...took her to a specialist Alfa mechanic in Johannesburg and he transplanted an engine he had from an Alfa 1.5L Group B Touring Car that had been rear ended, that little thing could kill most cars with bigger engines, my best mate had a 1.8 Golf 1 CTi and he couldn`t keep up on the highway...LOVED that little car!
Listening to this has made me realize that mine was probably one of the last ones made, great episode! Brought back some great memories of my hour long drive to college every morning with 2 great friends.
You were brave to fit a racing engine into a road car. Usually racing engines are made to do a race as fast as possible and die.
@@SparrowNoblePoland can only wonder how you sorted the ins on that as a first car.
@@davidmg1925 a mechanic did all the work, I paid for it all with my own money though as before college I spent 3 years working and saving...
@@ca9968 No one's suggesting you didnt. It must have cost you the gross domestic product of a small country. ⚖
@@davidmg1925 it wasn`t cheap by any stretch of the imagination but the race car it came from was a total write off, the rear end was all but unrecognizable and the guy that had it was an independent Alfa specialist that ran a little shop out the back of a BP Garage, he worked on a few of the touring cars back in the day and had it lying around in his yard to use for spares, we did a deal and he did the work..it cost roughly 3 months salary to get the engine put in and tuned, a new spray job and a few touch ups to the interior...she was very temperamental but in general ran well...
I had a Black Sprint Green Cloverleaf as pictured with the gorgeous alloys; there was always a buzz of excitement every time you turned the key to find out how many cylinders were on duty that day... but I loved every corroding inch of it.
My dad considered one but was put off by the rust issue and actually bought an allegro instead..... I cried
My dad considered one but had a marina.
But how did the Allegro handle the rust?
@@one_flew_over_the_cuckoos_nest
Of course one thing Allegro did get right was rust proving, they were a vast improvement on the ADO16 (Austin 1100 / 1300) in that respect.
Pressed Steel pointed out the rust traps in ADO16 to Sir Alec Issigonis but he said to build it anyway without a redesign.
So evidently he wasn't perfect.
My dad had one in my childhood in the 80's. It was a 1200 5 speed model from around 1977. I dont remember it as rusty, but the paint color was "rust" so maybe not so noticable. However the guy who bought it from us told us that it could have snapped over a speedbump. It was about 10 years and did about 100k kilometers when he got rid of it. It needed a new exhauster every year (yes really, twin pipes and only available as original part afaik) - they put a lot of salt in the winter in my area. Sometimes the door locks froze in the winter, so you had to leave them unlocked in the night (and remember your audio tapes because the car was left in a public parking lot). I remember some electrical gremlins too, resulting in the car refusing to start randomly. In the end it got too expensive to keep running, and they had to get rid of it. I only have fond memories of the car, and was very sorry to see it go, also because I knew they werent getting another car :)
My parents had one in the mid 70s. At less than 2 years old it had severe rot and would refuse to start in anything like damp weather. Once, my mum put the shopping in the boot only to see it go straight through the floor to the ground. They were that desperate to sell it, Dad would leave the keys in the ignition and tehe door open outside the house. No-one took it, eventually the local Renault dealer took pity on him and flogged him a final shape 16TS. He refused to even entertain another Italian car and thought I was insane for getting a 159.
Long duration of outside storage was not only influenced by strikes, but often by the fact that the workers - many being farmers sons- did not show up at work during harvest times in various seasons as they were expected by family tradition to helpout on the farm and though stayed away for several days and even weeks without notice.
Those were the days of " la bella vita italiana" of the seventies.
So what does that thing mean? In translator it says it means "the good italian life" but could you transalate that into what it meant in practise?
ahahahahh so much crap harvest times?
@@icoborg dont they also get several harvest a year that south?
@@k3kboi665 I think it refers to a way of life that in general is carefree, more about looking good and enjoying life than occupying yourself with lowly chores and obligations. See also the concept of “una bella figura”.
@@anderspedersen7488 You got it !
I remember looking at one of these in the 90s with a mate who knew cars. I loved it and was really keen to buy. My mate crawled under the car for a look, and emerged and said - nah, this is not the car for you. I asked in a winey voice- c'mon man, why not?
He said, hold out your hand, I did and he sprinkled some red powder into it and said...
That's the floor.
My first car was a 1985 Alfa Romeo sprint green clover leaf and I still miss it now over 30 years later
The Sprint is a beautiful car till this day - the late models the most.
I used to own a Monte Carlo, repainted in Martini colours.
Looked like mini Ferrari 😍
These statements are all so correct....
Man I love this channel. All the stories behind these cars are just interesting to real car people.
All fascinating stuff
Couldn't agree more!
I agree
Yup and narrated very well.
Yep, keep going!
I owned a 1982 Alfasud Sprint Veloce in the mid 1980s. It had the flat four 1.5 litre engine with two twin downdraught Weber carbs, one on each side of the engine. It came in Alfa red with a tan fabric interior and it was a lovely car to drive. Sadly, the body rusted badly and it ended up looking a bit tatty. I eventually wrote it off in a spectacular crash in southern Spain (from which I emerged totally unscathed) and it ended up in a scrap yard in Jaén. However, I became a huge fan of the marque and later bought a brand new 156 which I also loved to bits.
I can almost smell the Lancia Beta story after watching this......i'm sure it's coming!
It beta had.......😎
If it's a story about rust, the Beta is one of the main characters.
@@paulmcadam6825 Groan, lol
I've got one on my channel where I drive a Lancia Beta Spyder Zagato with nice engine and exhaust sounds🎷, an California import so completely rust free amazingly. A spontaneous drive so the phone I filmed it with fell a few times so apologies for that in advance
Well Ford has been done to death roll on Beta Delta Gamma
Last century a friend asked me to drive his Alfasud home from the farm so he could see how fast it could go. Fourteen and a half minutes of pure joy!
Fantastic video, thank you very much for this work! More Alfa Romeo videos are welcome:-)
I can't wait to see a video of the Alfa Romeo 33 story. It was my dad's last Alfa that he owned and I loved it. I was very sad when he sold it and bought an SUV
Agreed, I would like to see that as well - cracking little car.
Ah, the Alfa 33, from a time when Alfa Romeo made Nissans!
@@UA-cam-are-Trump-Toilet-Crud .and rover were making hondas.?
I'd love to hear his story about the 33. I have a last series 33 and love it
@@stiggear4828 My dad owned a last series 33 as well. He was the original owner and sold it in 2009 with 10k km
I remember a Time or US News & World Report cover story called "Italy's Minestrone of Strikes" about the time of this Alfa intro. And, oh, NO - Soviet Steel!
Yet another car i've actually owned and you've given me so much more backstory and info i've never known!
The sprint veloce was achingly gorgeous. I lusted for one in red in the 1980s but couldn't quite find the wherewithal
Thank you for a great video! I really enjoyed watching it as I have previously owned 3 Alfasud's, and currently have a 1989 Sprint Veloce Cloverleaf 1.7 sat in my garage.
I love the dead pan delivery.
Keep up the good work.
I've never delivered pans in my life, alive or otherwise. 😉
what do you expect dancing girls?
How a panhead harley that's not running could deliver anything i'll never understand.
@@davidmg1925 considering mainstream telly, probably 😂
My first car was a 1.5Ti Gold Cloverleaf, followed by a 33 1.5Ti. I can still hear them singing in my sleep 30 odd years later....
The Alfa Romeo 1.7 sprint were fantastic cars with high revving engines.
The guy in the factory brushing the cars with a sweeping brush kinda sums it up. Lol
I thought he was painting it? 😉
@@mauritsvw I thought he was sanding imperfections..
@@KJohansson That too!
Exactly! Such laziness on display.. Lol...
Idk what he was doing. All I know is he looked like he hated being there lmao
I got a Datsun Cherry Europe in 1984. It was an attempt by Datsun (Nissan) to get round European import restrictions. Basically it was a Datsun Cherry body married up with Alfasud interior, boxer engine and running gear and was assembled in Italy. In some ways it was the best of both worlds. The Datsun bodywork was rust free and Japanese involvement ensured better build quality and it was still fun to drive like an Alfasud.
They didn't sell many but I had mine 3 years with no problems and no rust.
Friends dad had one of those in rosso red in late 70s. Coolest car ever to go to school in.
Always remember the sound from the engine, always sounded so exciting compared to the drivel from BL or Fords
great video, thanks. I owned a Veloce Sprint in 1984, it was garaged most of the time while I worked overseas. I loved driving it, especially the perfect torque steer that allowed me to go around motorway junction roundabout (before traffic lights were added!) without moving the steering wheel - just the accelerator.
Sadly, it dissolved in water, my Alfa Selzer.
One of my first cars was a diarrhoea brown Alfasud 1.5Ti, and I loved it - the flat 4 boxer engine made a fantastic rasp, and the cornering was amazing... A very easy car to maintain too.
Quality control wasn't so great though - when you went round corners, the heater (which was on a steering wheel stalk) came on, and the alternator wasn't powerful enough to run the lights, heater and windscreen wipers at the same time, so you had to make some difficult choices on cold, dark winter days...
Worst experience though was driving to university round the M25 in the pouring rain, when one of my wipers stopped working. Climbing out of the car to investigate, I found that the metal round the base of the wiper arm had corroded so badly, that the whole wiper mechanism had flown off into the night, never to be seen again.
Despite all that, I loved the car to death, and kept it for years.
Under the cover is an 80s Alfa Romeo Spider. I know that silhouette well, I lusted after one of those in high school.
The moment a saw the rear spoiler i thought the same, an Alfa Spider.
For the US that’s an Alfa spider graduate.
@@jonsvenson7056 The Graduate was the base model. Then came the Veloce which had power windows, alloy wheels, and leather interior. The Quadrifoglio was the top of the line, had different front air dam, side skirts, and other trim pieces that made look more "sportier", there were other minor cosmetic differences, both interior and exterior. It was too much added for my taste, the Veloce is the one I wanted. I had a brochure for 1987 that featured the Spider and the Milano that I used as bookmark for years.
@@VinDieselS70 Yup, the spoiler was the givaway that it was a mid 80's Spider.
My dad had the Sud 1.5 T.i in 1983. We had It for 4 years , no rust and bucket loads of performance and style. Perhaps we were lucky!
Wonderful video as usual , thanks👍
Nice video, thank you. I have 4 Alfas and 3 of them are Alfasuds. They are technically interesting and full of character. For me they have not been difficult to maintain. The later series had much better rust protection so for these Suds, rust was not such a big issue. I wish I had a rare Giardinetta!
Rust was a VERY big issue in France because the winter climate and the salty roads or oceanic boarding cities: the joke about alfasud in France was "this car are rusted in the catalog"...a friend buy one new in 1981, 1 year later was the first rust points visible and the font light optics was rusted...
My Aunty had a lilac Alfa Sud in the 1970's. I loved it.
Oh here we go again. No Italian cars were made from Russian steel!!!! This is myth that seemed to have done the rounds amongst British car reporters. The Russians paid with oil, not steel. Why would the Italians want steel from Russia anyway?! The Alfa plant was right next door to one of the main Italian steel works. Alfa and Fiat were all built from Italian steel so let's put this one to bed please. I love this channel but more research needed before conclusions of this nature.
Alfa didn't even belong to FIAT, at the time... And Italy was the 2nd or 3rd steel producer in Europe, at the time.
My dad had one and I passed my test in it. He spent half his leisure time rustproofing and filling his 1350TI 1978 Alfasud. It was joked that were made of reject tinned tomato cans!
So Italian Steel was just so goddamn bad, that it was covered up by british dummies
You are completely right!
When one fact are that terribly wrong, one must question the whole video!!
@@luigidebarone2429 It is, actually the underlying point of the video. But it does not question the quality of Big Car, wich is... Big.
And I thought my 1974 Citroen GS was the first biodegradable car :-))
Beautiful car.
A classic Italian beauty.
Love the styling.
Disc brakes all round, terrific.
The car was before it's time.
Wonderful handling.
A real shame about the build quality.
To be honest, I still want one!
I recall that the disks were inboard and difficult to work on.
Thanks for the video. As an American I never got to see these (at least until I visited Italy), but from coverage in the magazines it seemed like a fascinating car. It's amusing to see styling comparisons with other cars of the period. The Giugiaro "look" certainly held sway.
BTW. I owned a '79 X1/9. Lovely car, but it rusted if you sneezed in its vicinity.
Alfas are great. Even their worst models from 90s and early 2000s, that were basically rebadged Fiats, everybody claim there was something special about the way they handled. You probably know what they say in Europe, that you're not a car guy, unless you've had Alfa Romeo.
American 1970s/80s cars were soooo much better when it came to rust… no, wait - they were worse! Trump propaganda crushed yet again!
@@SparrowNoblePoland So true
@@tomsommer8372 I've seen IVth generation Pontiac Firebird and Camaro from underneath, they didn't even have that polymer anti-rock seal on the bottom even the worst European cars have as standard.
@@tomsommer8372 growing up my parents had sled dogs. They bought a chevy truck a "custom deluxe 10" in 1976. A year later it was a rust bucket and traded in on stationwagon/estate in 1979. It simply got too unsafe to drive.
I have had several italian cars over the years, most Fiats and a lone Lancia. I still have a 1974 124 Spider and a new 500 Abarth. There is nothing like an Italian car!
IMO the Alfasud Sprint is one of the prettiest cars ever made. Always wanted one. Still do.
Tuve un Alfasud en los años 80.Su tracción delantera era increiblemente firme y precisa acelerando a fondo,a diferencia de otros como por ejemplo el Reanault 18,que se desacomodaba lateralmente y planeaba.La caja de cambios excelente.Doblaba muy muy bien.Era un autito que te pedía manejarlo y acelerarlo.Se hacía amar a pesar de todo.Aún lo extraño y volvería a tener otro.Saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina
I bought one of these wonderful machines in the 1970s when I live by the sea in Lowestoft. Yes, all that lovely salt air doing battle with Italian paint and cheap Soviet steel but the Alfa actually won out on the day and a product called Waxoyl no doubt helped. The Alfa survives to this day still in pristine condition, starts first time on at least two of its four cylinders with the other pots joining in when they feel ready. I have stuck with the brand through the years and can say that not once has any of my Alfa's failed to get me to my destination.
Nice story but............there was no Soviet steel used in the Alfasud, the steel was supplied by the Italsider steel mills in Taranto, same as that for the Milan factory. The rust problems were due to bad working practices, untrained staff, lazy short cuts in production. but strikes and absenteeism certainly did not help. The whole truth is revealed in my book; 'Alfasud - The Complete Story', published in August 2021 by Crowood Press.
I do remember in 1982 driving in Bath going around a right hand bend and the dash falling off. It came clean off and hung there with the passenger holding on to it for dear life.
i am a big fan of the quad headlight front on them
Italian here. Thanks for trying to properly pronounce the italian names and doing a pretty good job at that. Keep up the good work!
I’m glad you used that car insurance advert, when I was a kid when this came out I had nightmares for weeks! 🤣
I really remember that ad as well!
@@BigCar2 I was born in 75, so I can’t remember when it came out?, but It was because the man went back to the car and then the car went off the cliff I was like 😱
A great story. Growing up my Dad's neighbour drove a Sud. We loved it and thought it was the coolest car.
Excellent video, I remember as a young boy, being bought a model Alfasud in 1977 or 1978, by my parent's whilst in holiday in Wales. It was quite a large model and was yellow and I loved the styling, I don't know what happened to it, but I do know it won't have rusted, as the body was plastic!
Such a good looking car, specifically the sprint, wish they didn’t rust and were still around
A fantastic car to drive; no one like it in its category at that time
Just wanted to say thank you for the 3 points: very good of you 👍
You’re welcome!
Amazing how similar it looks to the aggro now you’ve pointed it out (specifically closer it looked to Harris Mann’s original design intent for the allegro and how much better received at home and abroad would the allegro have been if it had stayed truer to that?) and with similar quality issues however the Alfa badge can get you past a lot more deficiencies than the BL plug hole.
The Alfasud at least had amazing roadholding, so much that its mentioned in a contemporary Haynes BMW manual as "optimized for roadholding".
I still have a 1982 AlfaSud Sprint 1.5 Veloce, bought it in 1984, rosso red or course. Rebuilt in early 1990s and now only used on sunny days, 130,000 miles original engine - see you at National Alfa Day
Fantastic video as always. I love how you talk about normal, everyday cars with which we are so familiar. You almost always mention the fuel crisis, would it be too much to ask for a video on that some day?
I think I mention it too often! But it was so much of an influence on 70s cars.
@@BigCar2 thanks for replying. I don’t think you do, but I like the way you explain things and you’d make a somewhat dour subject more interesting. If you can make a video about the Toyota Prius worth watching, the oil crisis will be a breeze 😀
@@BigCar2 The other influence (or consequence) was the US fuel efficiency standards that changed the face of US motoring (from full-size to smaller cars, along with a move to exempt trucks) and had impacts around the world. I find it interesting that Australia, who continued to evolve what started as the US 'compact' car kept that larger size as the US itself moved to Camrys and Accords under CAFE-like schemes.
One of my uncles had a Sud in 1976. Well, until it rained one night that is.
He woke up the next morning and all he saw was 4 upright wheels with a pile of rust of what had been his car in the middle of them.
I would love to see a Lancia Gamma video. :) And of course the Delta. And the Fiat Ritmo. And Tipo. :D
I just wanted to say how much love the channel so great to see the cars iv grownup with brings back great memories my daddy had a Triumph1500. And I’m looking to get a classic car in a few years. Many thanks for all your hard and great work all ways look forward to the new vids 👍👍
Glad you're enjoying them!
Imagine cruising the mountain roads making deliveries in your Alfasud bread van listening to Italodisco on your radio in the late 70s...
86 vibe here
An Alfa video! On my birthday! Awesome. Been in love with their cars for a long time, especially my 164 that accompanied me for a very long time and never broke down no matter what people say about quality.
Happy birthday!
Many cars are maligned for poor quality, when in fact it is just poor maintenance by the owner.
@@BigCar2 Thanks :)
@@mauritsvw Very true!
Your timing is impeccable! I was just looking at Alfasuds on eBay
After I left school in the early 90s me and my dad discovered an 1984 Alfa Sud GTA Green Clover Leaf, sitting under a car cover in the back of someone's yard. It was my 1st car. My dad helped me buying it for 8500 South African Rand at the time. It was extremely fast for a 1500 back then. Apparently there were only 8 in South Africa. It was available in only 1 colour, dark Grey. Had plastic bumpers, plastic around the wheel arches, huge back spoiler, green checkered seats, and sporting steering.
I had one in SA in the mid to late 90`s...my first car...still miss it...
When the Sprint had its restyle in the 1980s, it initially kept the 'sud suspension and brakes. Took a few more year before they switched to the 33 brakes and suspension.
Great fun car.
Very interesting video, Thank You! Owned an Alfasud and later an Alfasud Sprint i the late seventies/early eighties, wonderful cars.
Happy memories of thrashing around the Kent Countyside in my best mates Alfasud 1500 in the late 80’s 😎😎
I still thrash around the Kent countryside in my Alfa Romeo MiTo QV . I love living in Kent, and I love my Alfa's even more.
I remember driving on the M6 up to Manchester when the windscreen washers fell into the engine compartment due to rust. I was running late so took to following trucks so I could use their spray to clean the screen. Still, the 1.5 Ti Sud was one of my favourite cars as it was so much fun to drive. The good looks added to its handling and the responsive boxer engine made it a superb driving car.
Thanks, well researched as always. They were great fun to drive, but boy could they rust, the term "rust bucket" is an insult to buckets which lasted far longer.
😂
Alfa Romeo improved the rust problems with the Alfa 6. With it's sloppily galvanized body, it rusted at an unprecedented rate. I vaguely remember the trunk lock not being held in place any more after maybe one year. The rust has already fully "eaten" the surrounding steel.
After that experience, the Alfasud's rust problems just appeared as a minor issue to me. Interesting how the Alfa 6 shifted my perception!
But, surprisingly, I've seen n Alfa 6 a few years ago in Germany, on the road. The last time I've seen an Alfasud was in the 1980s.
I learned to drive in my mum's Alfa Sud Sprint, l still remember the ghastly look on her face during my gear changes.
I owned two "suds" as they were affectionately known. I had the 1.2 TI and the later 1.5 Green cloverleaf. I loved those cars, the handling was fantastic, unfortunately, both suffered from the dreaded car cancer rust, but they both sparked my love for Italian cars.
Another fantastic video
Very informative!
Love alfa romeo's and Lancia, just a shame here in UK, hard to find any that are not literally a pile of rust in a bucket!!
Never knew they had an estate version!!
My dad used to race an Alfasud in the 70s. He still has a photo with a wheel in the air in a hairpin. Eventually the rust problem killed the car but it was an amazing vehicle from what I have been told.
As always, very many thanks for your meticulous research.
Normally used to larger more powerful beasts; I bought UVK519T (1.3ti) as a stop gap for a few weeks between cars. I drove it for nearly a year before selling it.
Wide low profile tyres are now expected - but the Sud cornered as if on rails on it's tiny155/80 section 13s'. I've never known any car with better balanced handling.
It did not even have a basic radio - driving it was entertainment enough.
Even at just over a year old, the 'tinworm' was appearing everywhere. Reliability was very poor too; snapped front coil spring and brake pad friction surfaces detaching from the backing (front were inboard) is not much fun. Original Lodge multigap spark plugs were expensive. At the time I did all my own repairs.
With much improved build the Sud could have been a World beater, knocking Astras' and Escorts' into a cocked hat.
They said something similar about the Rover SD1 and I had 2 of those! Glutton for punishment perhaps - though to be fair the SD1s' weren't nearly as bad.
@8:09 there was no use of Soviet Steel on the Alfa. Italy had a large steel industry and there was a plant close to the factory.
Another really interesting video, thank you! Always loved the little Alfasud, flawed but full of character and charm.
Glad you enjoyed it Simon!
Before I even watch the video
I look forward to your videos every single time, they are well researched and a pleasure to view
Just sending a bit of community support
One version you didn't mention was an Australian special based on the Sprint.
Around a dozen or so were sold in Australia.
They were fitted with a mid-mounted Holden 5 litre V8 and they were very fast.
They were called the Giocatello (or something like that).
They were the brainchild of the owner of The Toy Store in Sydney.
I owned a 1982 Alfasud. A Porsche 911 and several BMW's later, it is still my favorite car ever
Alfasud, what the Austin Allegro could have been 😂
Rusty, badly made, unloved estate version and unreliable? It achieved that goal with ease! 😂
Yes, they were twins in most respects except the Alfa had a decent engine and later on, performance.
@@MrRea112 yep, that is true!
Not true. The original Allegro design was much nicer than the Alfasud but issues prevented the car from replicating the drawings which was a crying shame.
@@ericgeorge5483 The designer Harris Mann reckoned that his original design was tweaked by BL’s engineers because of two main factors; the use of the Maxi’s E-series engine for 1500 and 1750cc variants, which along with the in-sump gearbox, resulted in a tall power plant, and the late decision to use the same heater assembly as that developed for the Morris Marina. Both things meant the bonnet line was raised compared to the original design.
Mann’s design was also less “barrel sided” - the “spring” in curved panels when released from the body dies having not been fully accounted for. It left the side panels a couple of millimetres out from the centre of the car when assembled, compared to the clay styling models. A tiny change, but enough to just tip the car towards looking rounded as opposed to crisply styled like the Alfasud.
If the Allegro had just been left with A-series engines, or given E-series engines with end-on gearboxes (as happened with the related R and S series engines in its replacement, the Maestro), and a bespoke heater assembly, then the Allegro could have had a lower bonnet line and had a convincing claim to being the British Alfasud. There would still have been the issue of the quartic steering wheel (fixed for the series 2 models in any case), and lack of hatchback (as with the Alfasud for much of its life), but if the Allegro had just got off to a better start there might even have been more money in the coffers to develop it along the line.
The Allegro was even assembled in Italy - it was briefly available as the licence-built Innocenti Regent, before BL pulled out of such deals in the wake of mid-70s nationalisation.
Much of this information is from another Big Car video on the Allegro, and from the brilliant AROnline website.
Great stuff as usual. Thank you.
Alfasud beautiful car, unfortunately a much quoted saying of the time went "The only car that already started to rust in the sales brochure". Never owned an Alfa myself !
In the Netherlands we made fun of the AlfaSud rust issues at the time. It was said that if you would hold the brochure close to your ear you could hear it rust. :)
The car itself was brilliant - but the steel it was forced to use was the real issue. The engine is virtually indestructible and makes a superb drive ...
I always look forward to your uploads, with so much research and hard work put into each video.
You're always welcome Anton!
I had an Alpha Sud Sports, the only car that rusted while it was moving
You should see the 'Simca 1307 or the "my fiberglass body panels hide my rotting body" Matra Bagheera.
Glad it wasn't an Alfa then !
@@mauricelevy9027 only the delux models had an h 🤣
Amazing to see how many cars of this era were touched by Independent designers, with there similarities jumping from one brand to the other.
Helped give cars a sort of soul thats missing today!
Those headlights are almost too modern looking for the era, sort of remind me of the sort of facelifts given to boxy ‘80s cars in the likes of Russia or China where they’re given the rounded headlight and tail light treatment to help them linger on for another few years
Does anyone remember the ‘AutoMart’ ?
This was full of 1500 Alfa Sprints in the mid to late eighties. Always wanted one, but bought a black 1275GT, and didn’t regret it. Interestingly, the Mini seemed to be just as partial to rust as the Alfa was reputed to be and I ended up scrapping it as a result in 1987. I would now happily own either of them. Good programme. Keep them coming.
Perhaps the under the cover thing might indeed be a fun recurring item, heck...I've got some very interesting cars under covers in my neighbourhood, which actually would also fit perfectly for future videos
If you can find what they are with the permission of the owner, I'd love to get some photos for future videos. Please e-mail them to bigcartv@hotmail.com
Yet more Big Car brilliance. Thank you for another excellent video. :=)
Glad you enjoyed it Wilf
@@BigCar2 ALL your videos are excellent. :-) Keep 'em coming.
Great video, many thanks, been so precise I missed a reference about the Alfa Romeo Arna (Who had the idea?? : )
Not relevant but in Spain since we were not yet in the EU the Alfasud was expensive doe the extra protection VAT charges; just as an example, the 1.5 4 doors with 84 hp had a starting sale price of 1.008.000 Pesetas, so 6.064 € in 1981.
While a Seat 131 Supermirafiori 2.0 CLX with 114 HP full equiped was 900.000 pesetas, 5415 €.
And a Seat Ritmo CLX with 82 Hp. 738.000 Pesetas or 4.436 €
Therefore there were very very few; in 1982 when I was attending Arts I used to have a classmate, I was just 14, she was in her mid 30s, and she switched a rare Innocenti De Tomaso for an Alfasud Sprint Veloce, which was very expensive in Spain.
I was 7 years old in Nairobi being shuttled around by my cousin in one of these beauties in the 80s, simpler times wonderful memories. Can still hear the engine.
Apparently still the best feel, poise,agility and handling is still unmatched
Its understeering. You could not get it to oversteer. The body flex made the spension stop working. Steering was a bit slow. It would stay planted in fast sweeps. It was a better car overall than the GTI1 except top speed. Where it would really haul a GTI was fast driving in the alps because of its shorter gearing. And the girls loved the car
@@808bigisland haha, that comment about the girls lol, I have a black one in my unit, such a pretty car, it may be up for sale soon, its got 150 bhp race spec motor in it
I had the black green cloverleaf sprint featured near the end. My first alpha- loved that car
brilliant looking and now rare small car that when seen in the wild sounded just amazing. pity about the rust problem, I think most of that comes from using poor quality steel.
Had a face-lifted 1983 Alfasud 1350 in the late 80s. To this day one of the most charismatic cars I've owned.
The Alfasud should have been the car that took Alfa Romeo to another level but it appears that the company didn't fare much better than Leyland when it came to industrial problems and of course the nasty Russian Steel was the final nail in the coffin. That was a very interesting video, thanks for sharing.
It wasn't the steel. Unpainted and untreated Chassis piled up due to constant strikes.
I'm saying Alfa spider. May be wrong. I'll see!
Super video, I had a alfasud ti cloverleaf in black many years ago. Great car, sold it when someone offered me twice what I payed for it. Probably should have kept it.
At long last, Alfa Romeo makes an appearance on this channel
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@@BigCar2 Yes! Please keep up covering Alfa Romeo. There is such a rich history... I drive a 2019 Giulietta Sport myself - it really is a shame that the image of this brand is still suffering immensely because of quality problems like the Alfasud disaster. Concerning sales, I really hope, that Stellantis can turn the tide for Alfa. Really love my Giulietta.
@@thewestphalianrailwayshed I'll probably give some other marques some love in the near future, but thanks for the suggestions!
@@BigCar2 Hey Big Car, I’m considering a Mito QV as my first car. I can get one fairly cheap on insurance. Is this a good idea? My dad is worried about the 170bhp and won’t let me have one. Should I get one? I’m 14 and already have a lot of experience with cars.
@@freddieparrydrums Freddie - you're mistaking me for someone who knows what I'm talking about! Sorry, I wouldn't know as I'm not aware of that car.
When a friend bought an Alfasud after his previous Alfasud, I asked him why. "It's fast, cheap, and I know how to fix it when it goes wrong".
Sadly the alfa sud rusted away in sweden
due to the lagre amounts of salt that was spread on the roads.
And bad anti rust treatment.
My grandfather had an Alfa Sprint Veloce
He sold it to a car collector a few years ago
I miss that car
Me too mine
The Alfa 103 looks so suspiciously similar to a Renault 8 🤔
@@gunston999 wow , how great used to be the car industry in Italy ...
I had a 1.3ti as a first car in 1984. It was a joy to drive. The engine demanded to be revved right up to the red line; peak power was at max revs so I would keep the boot in until the mechanical rev limiter kicked in and then snick it up a gear. The handling was superb. Gentle understeer could be provoked into a four wheel drift if you swung it into a corner fast enough.
I once hit a loose bit of concrete on the motorway at 75mph. A rear wheel broke and the tyre when flat instantly. It was relatively easy to guide it to the hard shoulder - even on only three wheels.
On the other hand, there were major problems. The door liners were apparently made from plastic coated Weetabix; when the door window seals leaked, the liners sagged and you could see the inside of the steel doors.
The inboard front disk brakes doubled up as parking brakes. After a number of years the fluid seal around the parking brake actuating lever leaked. The only cure was a complete new caliper. Once a year I had to remove the front brake pads and file the edges of the backing plates or they would seize in the caliper.
... and, of course, the rust. I sold the car to a friend for parts after it failed the MOT test with extensive rust damage. The new owner got a dodgy MOT certificate and drove it around for another year until, while driving over a large bump in the road, the car body practically split in two along the weld behind the front bulkhead. He scraped to a halt with the floor of the car grinding along the tarmac.
I miss that car. I have driven many cars in the 30-odd years since. None of them put a smile on my face like the old Alfa Rusteo.
Michele Alboreto at min. 15:48
Yeah, i remember that one. A tough little Italian car who you parked in the evening rain and it was gone by the morning in rust.