You have become my go-to guy because of your experience and expertize. I was a scout/sniper in Vietnam. Mostly carried an M-14. When my unit, the 3rd Marines were pulled out I was transferred to the 5th Marine sniper platoon. I asked for an M-14, but they said they didn't have enough mags. So the only rifle they would give me was an M-16. Carried it for one month and it would never shoot two times in a row without hitting the forward assist. Cleaned it and the mags several times. Didn't help. So for most of a half century I had a very low opinion of the AR. Your video "What went wrong with the M-16 in Vietnam" really changed my opinion of ARs. Plus, the M-16 I was issued in October, '69, was the old version without the chrome lined barrel and chamber. Maybe that was the problem. Or maybe because we were trained to keep it clean but not lubed. Anyway, I am now a big fan of ARs. (But I still love the M-14. It always worked.)
Out of the 7 handguns that I own - everything from Smiths to Sigs to CZs - it’s my Beretta PX4 that is the softest shooting and the one I’m most accurate with. Once it was “Langdonized” with the competition trigger group, optimized trigger bar, and 11lb hammer spring, the action is as smooth as butter. I just sent off the slide to LTT to have it cut for an RDO, have the barrel crowned and NP3’d, and slide cerakoted, and cannot wait to get it back. Best handgun, ever.
When he was shooting, anyone else notice the EXTREMELY consistent ejection pattern? That often indicates a very well designed, balanced system...everything is working in harmony.
Funny, I was about to make the same comment before i saw yours. That's one of the things I've learned to look for in such videos as an indicator whether the design is dialed in or operating on the margins.
These pistols are starting to get the recognition that they deserve. Soft shooting, Extremely accurate and reliable. What else do you need. Yes they are a little bit on the larger size but for home defense the px4 series is an excellent choice. And at $549 2022 still an excellent value.
There are a LOT of gun reviewers on youtube. Some are REALLY good. You are the one that offers the most information, while keeping it interesting and educational. Thanks!
Hold on, the rotating barrel pistol has been around almost as long as semi-auto pistols. The Savage model 1907 and the Steyr 1912 used this around the same time as the browning tilting barrel was being invented.
I recently went to the range with my buddies and shot 5 different guns. I shot a Glock 17/19/and 10mm plus the a 357 Ruger snub and the Beretta PX4 9MM. The Beretta is by far the smoothest shooting gun out of that group. There is minimal recoil, easy mag release, and perfect ergonomics for hand placement when firing. This is the gun Im picking up asap.
Glad you made it out of NY. I am just down the Thruway in Syracuse. Unfortunately, we are not going anywhere while the kids are still young and living at home because the grandparents live nearby.
I have 3 Beretta PX4 Storm full size pistols. I have the 9mm, 40 cal, and 45 cal. I love them all. The only issue I had was that the 45 cal model would not cycle steel casing rounds but brass casings work beautifully every time. What got me hooked on Beretta was using one in the Navy.
The rotating barrel have history that in good half a century precede Stoner and Colt experiments in that field. Steyr, Mauser in 1910s and Ceska Zbrojovka in 1920s made pistols utilized that locking system. Steyr M1912 was standard service pistol of Austrian army for several decades.
I was subscribed to your channel back before youtube deleted it, just found it again last week and re-subscribed. Good to see that one of the best gun channels is back up.
I would love to see you make a video on hi point . The specs , the jokes , the numbers of them used on street etc . I would watch you make a video of a paper towel manufacturer. Literally the best technical channel for the planet
Love Rochester, at least I did many years ago. Too bad it's in New York. Also, the sub model does not have a rotating barrel. It has a Browning type tilt system. Only the sub is made in America, its bigger brothers are made in Italy.
I have the full size inox in 9mm. I got with the intention of being a range pistol. I shot 1k rounds through it and I realized i could shoot it better than my CCW at the time (P320 RX compact). I went ahead and made upgrades to it and now its become my CCW. I upgraded the trigger (Beretta competition trigger group), Ameriglo sights, steel guide rod, 11 lb hammer spring, Vedder light tuck holster and extra magazines (17 rd and 20 rd). Its such a sweet shooter, DA is smooth (long), SA is crisp and rapid fire on the PX4 is amazing. I would compare it to my cajunized CZ P-01 with the CZ having a shorter DA and lighter SA but i spent a whole lot less on the PX4. The PX4 wins hands down for me because of the slide mounted decocker (100% safe), weight and capacity. In short, give it a try if you can and you will see how well this pistol performs.
I have the decocker only version. I have never had any issues with it. It is very accurate and will shoot hand loads, cheap steal cased ammo, hollow points, fmj's, you name it. I put a factory adjustable rear sight on it and it rocks.
I really like the PX4 pistols. The identical manual of arms makes them great companions to the 92 series. And they have the best double action trigger out there.
Obregon made the "Systeme Obregon" a rotary locking barrel 1911 long before Colt made that Colt 2000 trainwreck/abortion/endo into an empty swimming pool/disaster area. When Mexico beat you to the punch by 50 years and they also knocked you out of the ring, through the back door and into the alley, you may as well just retire. The PX4, add the competition trigger, and spring kits and they are trickshot ready right out of the box, e.g. The Beretta Compact Carry Model PX4 in 9mm Luger. Keep the PX4 clean, treat it right and they are really awesome shooting guns.
8:46 Didnt understood that thing about torque reducing pressure needed to unlock, and reduced recoil due to that. Maybe the unlocking proces is spread over longer period of time than in tilding barrel designes? So it does the same work by lower force acting for longer period of time. Maybe it can transfer even more energy from the barrel to the frame before the barrel hits the hard stop and that spreads the recoil of the barrel over longer periond of time, that makes it more of a push instead of harder kick. Not sure.
The px4 compact was my first gun. It had everything a new owner and conceal carrier could need. A safety or double action trigger, reliable and it looked cool. I loved it. As I got more comfortable and trained I moved over to a Glock, but I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the px4 and I'll never sell mine. Thanks for the video sir! Love your content.
I've had the chance to shoot this at a local gun store. By God is it underrated. It's so soft to shoot. If I had a way to get one I would. The problem is they are scarce right now and when they do come in they're a little pricey for what they are. Nothing against it. Just a little pricey for me. I have also shot the Grand Power pistols which are also excellent. If I can't get one of these I'll probably get a Grand Power which seem to be more fairly priced when I see them. I really want a rotating barrel handgun.
Actually, if you want to get into the history of rotating barrels that started with rifles that were first designed designed by. If memory serves me right.The rotating barrel first appeared in the m one grand, Then it began appearing in others and has been known for it's dependability in its reliability and accuracy, This is why so many rifles have rotating barrels, And now it is beginning to be adapted to Side arms, And p x four storm by beretta might be the first.
Well with my return to double action revolvers I need to get a double single action pull pistol I could use. I went back to the PX4 Storm in 40. I owned one over A dozen years ago and love it. Great reliable and easy handling very accurate. That is the qualities of a great pistol. Looking at the Earnest Langdon PX4 compact carry model aswell
Thank you for this video! This is my first gun and it’s the F version! You explain this gun very clear and I am sure I will watch it over and over! Cheers!
Very knowledgable review.. Other channels complain it does not have the safety or no safety features they want.. they simple did not even know it is offered in 3 or 4 differenat varients..
Thank you for your informative and thorough vids! This one's especially interesting as I'm an original owner of a Pietro Beretta Cougar 8045F since 1998. Great piece of machinery, runs very well! The rotating barrel system was first used in the Mexican Obregon .45acp pistol, btw. Thank you once again!👍
Good video presentation that includes the history of the rotating barrel design incorporated in the Px4 Storm. I also prefer the push rather than the snap recoil of this gun due to this rotating barrel. Great gun coming from the oldest existing gun manufacturer in the world.
Huge fan of the PX4 and had no idea the cougar existed, man chris now I am going down a rabbit hole of can I get a cougar yet and put a red dot on it lol. Great video man!
The "C" version is very interesting. The same system is used in the Walther PPX, where is called "double action only". In reality both weapons fire from half cock position. That way the trigger pull is consistent at every shot. It's heavier than in SA (so safe enough to be used without external safeties and trigger safety), but the lenght of the pull is way shorter than in DA, and that makes for better accuracy.
Just bought a full size PX4 Type C Constant Action in 9mm. Changed out the hammer spring. Fantastic pistol! They also offered a Type D DAO version with a longer trigger pull.
Nice Review! It should also be noted that the Savage M1907 and French MAB PA 15 also had rotating barrel actions and the Beretta rotating barrel action is probably more similar to that of the French MAB PA-15.
Both the Savage M1907 and MAB PA-15 are delayed blowbacks not locked breech. The barrel rotates, but not retreath with the barrel. The Steyr 1912 is more similar to the Beretta.
A quick note. You actually can get the PX4 with an ambidextrous slide release. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's standard, and the version I have came with one. Maybe Rochester decided to purchase without it for some reason.
Had a PX4 compact, but the grip felt too short. Also, The plastic felt very flimsy, so if Intried another Storm, it would have to be a full-size with a trigger mod kit installed.
I love unique locking systems yet the only reason I don't have one of these I'm my collection is because I want to get my hands on a stoeger cougar first!!! Which I think is the nicer looking of the two.
I believe you may be the best person to answer my question. I have seen other reviewers post that the PX4 should not be carried in or fired from the half (more like quarter) cock position. The owners manual does not say this, though, it does state that "maximum safety" is achieved with the hammer fully decocked. My Sig 226 and HK USP both decock to half cock and are routinely carried in and fired from this hammer position. Is carrying and firing the Beretta PX4 from the half cock an acceptable practice? If not, why is it ok with the Sig and HK? Even though this is an older post, I hope you can respond with the correct answer. Thank you.
I think a version of this pistol with a 5 inch barrel would be awesome but I don't know why Beretta doesn't make it. Is it because not that many people are buying PX4s or do they not want to compete with the bigger 92s.
I have a PX4Storm Special Duty 45ACP fantastic gun. The rotating barrel is super. Being able to switch the magazine release is great but why not make all the control feature totally ambidextrous like many Grand Power guns. Spoiler since Beretta test fires all guns in their factory why aren't we getting used prices.
You take a lot of liberties when judging ones tone online. My statement still stands. Tilting barrel designs have not been much improved since 80s and 90s. Some people say that the px4 is the only reliable cam barreled system ever sold. *I guess in the end it's a matter of opinion. Internet jag offs like you will never grasp that.*
The *m1912* was fed by stripper clip and is not by any means as reliable or modern as Brownings firearms from the same era. Brownings ideas were boiled down and purified in the eighties by companies like glock. Colt and beretta picked the cam system back up many years after Brownings ideas were perfected.
Both Roth-Krnka from 1907 and John M. Browning from 1897 (he never made the pistol but he did patent it in the US) would like to have a word with you about rotating barrels. o___O
First, I prefer the PX4 Storm Type D (DAO), which was designed for law enforcement. Beretta did not market or promote this weapon properly - it is a great weapon/weapon system! I can't believe they stopped making it! The striker fired weapons of today have too short a trigger-pull and can easily be suspectable to more rounds fired than intended - there is something to be said for the longer trigger pull (DAO version) of the PX4. As with anything, it should be revived at some point and hopefully they will market it properly.
Some badass gunsmith got to raid colt's vault as payment and scored a bunch of classic colts from their literal womb. Oh baby, that's one hell of a "life's good" moment!
Your videos are informative as always, though I would like to suggest using a microphone that's closer to you as the volume of your voice is quite low and is drowned out whenever you rack the slides while raising the video volume means the sound from the gun becomes unbearably loud.
The usual excellent video with educated commentary. I think if I had to suggest anything I'd say get more light on the subject itself; the gun's details are murky and it's hard to make out the inner workings when you're pointing things out or field stripping.
As usual, excellent overview & presentation. I use this as my HD gun... I do like it, but it is definitely not perfect. So, the dinky trap-spring slide stop often weirds me out... in hard use, or gritty dirty environments, I can see it failing. The trigger is okay. Hate the slide mounted safety; but... it's a slide mounted safety, so. The Dog-ear safety wings feel awful and painful. But the rotating "transfer button" decocker is clever. Hate the sights-- too narrow, too small. I do not see the rotating barrel system, while also very clever, being any more accurate or recoil-mitigating than a tilting breech lock... not tactically, anyway. The grip is MUCH too slippery, and requires a rubber sleeve, or a texture/backstrap/frontstrap redesign-- slips around WAY too much in the hand. All in all, I use it (shot it yesterday, even...) and I trust it, and I have for a few years now. I would have zero hesitancy fighting with it. But love? Hmmm.... strong like, sometimes love. It's not going anywhere (it is sitting 12" away from me...), so I guess that is an endorsement. 🤓
I had the Mid sized Beretta P4 Storm on Layaway failed to pick it up on time.. It got sold .. they had a used sub comapact in stock .. the barrel does not rotate 13 round mag. Fails to eject evry 4th round or so .. Looks like the Ejecttor tab is damaged or worn .. I went on the Beretta web site.. When you look for a parts diagram the link takes to you to Brownells.. I would like a Full sized one .. I really like the feel and how it shoots.. But don't want to pay an extra $358.00 for machine work on the slide for a REd Dot.. Maybe have to go with a Smith and Wesson Sheild already mached for a Red Dot.. Beretta needs to keep up with the times..
If you still have the 45ACP, can you comment on how well the 45ACP pistol does with 230gr rounds -vs- 185gr ? Trying to find another data-point as some indication shows that the 230s didn't pattern well at all. Thanks!
That's funny that the huge safety (which all the videos complain about) was a specific request from police. I will say if you don't ever shoot with winter gloves then guns with big controls like that won't make sense to you.
The M9 was my service pistol, but because of my MOS I didn't get much official time with it. I've rented 92s a few times, and appreciated them as target pistols, but they've always been too bulky to carry, so I'd probably only ever own one as a target pistol. The Px4 feels like a step towards a pistol that actually competes with a Glock or M&P for carry. It's light with blending lines and few jagged edges, so it does seem to me the intent was to compete in the domestic market rather than the military market. The rental I tried did show it's age, but I'm going to be doing the paperwork on one soon. I didn't really notice reduced recoil, but I did notice that it was reliable despite it's age and use.
I do not believe it is not a combat pistol. In fact a police department sued Beretta over this pistol. It took a lawsuit for beretta to send some down to look that there failed pistol. I am not sure if beretta fixed the problem but that police department sued beretta and no longer used the rotating barrel. Not sure what really happened, if beretta decide to settle the lawsuit. I am not LE, or in military. I was just look for a new modern design to shoot in IDPA. An this is what I was told by my gunsmiths. Who had to be there when Beretta was getting sued.
@@vanrickenstien The gauntlet test is made just for fun, and shouldn't be taken seriously. A test made on just a sample, in different conditions any time (different composition of the mud, different manipulation of the gun) has not the slightiest pretense of scientificity. If you are interested in the performances of different handguns after having been covered in mud, take five samples for any model you want to compare, throw all of them in the same cement mixer full of the same mud, and test them at once after having recovered them. BTW no army in the world is interested in the result of a "gauntlet test", and for a simple reason. The conditions are so unrealistic (a not holstered handgun first submerged in water, then covered in sand, then in dirt, then in mud, and fired any time? How that is supposed to happen in combat?) that it makes no sense to see what handgun performs better, overlooking more relevant stuff, like the accuracy, or the reliability in normal operating conditions.
Something always feels cheap about the handgun when you actually shoot it. Something about the trigger and the recoil conspire to make it feel like a cheap toy... but that’s just a personal thing. I recently bought one in 40 as the fully supported chamber and rotating barrel seemed to suit the cartridge perfectly. Can’t say I hate it but sometimes seems strange about it. Can’t put my finger on it.
It’s a very underrated pistol in my opinion
So is the highpoint
@@Meaderelle Yea ok 👌 genius
@@chrisragone8785 your mom went to college
You have become my go-to guy because of your experience and expertize. I was a scout/sniper in Vietnam. Mostly carried an M-14. When my unit, the 3rd Marines were pulled out I was transferred to the 5th Marine sniper platoon. I asked for an M-14, but they said they didn't have enough mags. So the only rifle they would give me was an M-16. Carried it for one month and it would never shoot two times in a row without hitting the forward assist. Cleaned it and the mags several times. Didn't help. So for most of a half century I had a very low opinion of the AR. Your video "What went wrong with the M-16 in Vietnam" really changed my opinion of ARs. Plus, the M-16 I was issued in October, '69, was the old version without the chrome lined barrel and chamber. Maybe that was the problem. Or maybe because we were trained to keep it clean but not lubed. Anyway, I am now a big fan of ARs. (But I still love the M-14. It always worked.)
You were the exact demographic I made that video for, so you understand what really happened. Thank you for your service.
Out of the 7 handguns that I own - everything from Smiths to Sigs to CZs - it’s my Beretta PX4 that is the softest shooting and the one I’m most accurate with. Once it was “Langdonized” with the competition trigger group, optimized trigger bar, and 11lb hammer spring, the action is as smooth as butter. I just sent off the slide to LTT to have it cut for an RDO, have the barrel crowned and NP3’d, and slide cerakoted, and cannot wait to get it back. Best handgun, ever.
How long was their turnaround? I just bought one and will be gifting myself some upgrades after a while with the gun.
When he was shooting, anyone else notice the EXTREMELY consistent ejection pattern? That often indicates a very well designed, balanced system...everything is working in harmony.
Funny, I was about to make the same comment before i saw yours. That's one of the things I've learned to look for in such videos as an indicator whether the design is dialed in or operating on the margins.
Yes agree. Very well engineered firearm.
These pistols are starting to get the recognition that they deserve. Soft shooting, Extremely accurate and reliable. What else do you need. Yes they are a little bit on the larger size but for home defense the px4 series is an excellent choice. And at $549 2022 still an excellent value.
PX4 is a great pistol with soft recoil and is very accurate.
There are a LOT of gun reviewers on youtube. Some are REALLY good. You are the one that offers the most information, while keeping it interesting and educational. Thanks!
Hold on, the rotating barrel pistol has been around almost as long as semi-auto pistols. The Savage model 1907 and the Steyr 1912 used this around the same time as the browning tilting barrel was being invented.
Wanted to right it too
There are even earlier model handgun using rotating barrel
Even though the savage is different being a delay blowback not a lock breach
CZ24 as well.
Also the French MAB P15 9mm way back in the 1960s.
I though John Browning invented the rotating barrel and decided to run with the tilting barrel instead.
I have two PX4 Compact Carry pistols, and they’re 100%. Ernest Langdon has thrown his efforts entirely into this platform.
I recently went to the range with my buddies and shot 5 different guns. I shot a Glock 17/19/and 10mm plus the a 357 Ruger snub and the Beretta PX4 9MM. The Beretta is by far the smoothest shooting gun out of that group. There is minimal recoil, easy mag release, and perfect ergonomics for hand placement when firing. This is the gun Im picking up asap.
Love my P4X. I’m sure you are not disappointed.
I sold all of my Glocks after acquiring a PX4 and 92’s.
Glad you made it out of NY. I am just down the Thruway in Syracuse.
Unfortunately, we are not going anywhere while the kids are still young and living at home because the grandparents live nearby.
The sub compact also has a tilting barrel rather than rotating.
I have 3 Beretta PX4 Storm full size pistols. I have the 9mm, 40 cal, and 45 cal. I love them all. The only issue I had was that the 45 cal model would not cycle steel casing rounds but brass casings work beautifully every time. What got me hooked on Beretta was using one in the Navy.
That Wolf ammo is not SAAMI spec and my guess it is a light load. Nothing wrong with your gun.
The rotating barrel have history that in good half a century precede Stoner and Colt experiments in that field. Steyr, Mauser in 1910s and Ceska Zbrojovka in 1920s made pistols utilized that locking system. Steyr M1912 was standard service pistol of Austrian army for several decades.
Yes! Even Mexican copy of 1911 had rotating barrel! ;)
I was subscribed to your channel back before youtube deleted it, just found it again last week and re-subscribed. Good to see that one of the best gun channels is back up.
One of thee best pistols on the market guaranteed
Steyr 1912 had a rotating barrel, Savage 1907 had something similar as well. This was not the first by any means
I would love to see you make a video on hi point . The specs , the jokes , the numbers of them used on street etc . I would watch you make a video of a paper towel manufacturer. Literally the best technical channel for the planet
This guy does a great job.
second time i see your smile when shooting :-). First time was shooting the H&K45. Greetings from France
A rotating locked barrel system was used at least as far back as 1911 in the Steyr Hahn pistol, if not before then.
Love Rochester, at least I did many years ago. Too bad it's in New York. Also, the sub model does not have a rotating barrel. It has a Browning type tilt system. Only the sub is made in America, its bigger brothers are made in Italy.
I have the full size inox in 9mm. I got with the intention of being a range pistol. I shot 1k rounds through it and I realized i could shoot it better than my CCW at the time (P320 RX compact). I went ahead and made upgrades to it and now its become my CCW. I upgraded the trigger (Beretta competition trigger group), Ameriglo sights, steel guide rod, 11 lb hammer spring, Vedder light tuck holster and extra magazines (17 rd and 20 rd). Its such a sweet shooter, DA is smooth (long), SA is crisp and rapid fire on the PX4 is amazing. I would compare it to my cajunized CZ P-01 with the CZ having a shorter DA and lighter SA but i spent a whole lot less on the PX4. The PX4 wins hands down for me because of the slide mounted decocker (100% safe), weight and capacity.
In short, give it a try if you can and you will see how well this pistol performs.
I have the decocker only version. I have never had any issues with it. It is very accurate and will shoot hand loads, cheap steal cased ammo, hollow points, fmj's, you name it. I put a factory adjustable rear sight on it and it rocks.
Had mine for 12 years. Love the way it shoots.
I really like the PX4 pistols. The identical manual of arms makes them great companions to the 92 series. And they have the best double action trigger out there.
Obregon made the "Systeme Obregon" a rotary locking barrel 1911 long before Colt made that Colt 2000 trainwreck/abortion/endo into an empty swimming pool/disaster area. When Mexico beat you to the punch by 50 years and they also knocked you out of the ring, through the back door and into the alley, you may as well just retire. The PX4, add the competition trigger, and spring kits and they are trickshot ready right out of the box, e.g. The Beretta Compact Carry Model PX4 in 9mm Luger. Keep the PX4 clean, treat it right and they are really awesome shooting guns.
I owned a Beretta Cougar in the early to mid 2000s. in 45 ACP. Still one of my all time favs
Interesting video with the history of the rotating barrel. Own two Storms in .40, and they're great guns
Which has softer recoil compared to the glock 22 gen 5 if you have shot one?
8:46 Didnt understood that thing about torque reducing pressure needed to unlock, and reduced recoil due to that.
Maybe the unlocking proces is spread over longer period of time than in tilding barrel designes? So it does the same work by lower force acting for longer period of time.
Maybe it can transfer even more energy from the barrel to the frame before the barrel hits the hard stop and that spreads the recoil of the barrel over longer periond of time, that makes it more of a push instead of harder kick. Not sure.
The px4 compact was my first gun. It had everything a new owner and conceal carrier could need. A safety or double action trigger, reliable and it looked cool. I loved it. As I got more comfortable and trained I moved over to a Glock, but I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the px4 and I'll never sell mine. Thanks for the video sir! Love your content.
I've had the chance to shoot this at a local gun store. By God is it underrated. It's so soft to shoot. If I had a way to get one I would. The problem is they are scarce right now and when they do come in they're a little pricey for what they are. Nothing against it. Just a little pricey for me. I have also shot the Grand Power pistols which are also excellent. If I can't get one of these I'll probably get a Grand Power which seem to be more fairly priced when I see them. I really want a rotating barrel handgun.
Beretta did a good job with simple field strip, Grand Power rotating barrel pistols have a difficult method that requires three hands.
Actually, if you want to get into the history of rotating barrels that started with rifles that were first designed designed by. If memory serves me right.The rotating barrel first appeared in the m one grand, Then it began appearing in others and has been known for it's dependability in its reliability and accuracy, This is why so many rifles have rotating barrels, And now it is beginning to be adapted to Side arms, And p x four storm by beretta might be the first.
Interesting to hear the backstory
Well with my return to double action revolvers I need to get a double single action pull pistol I could use. I went back to the PX4 Storm in 40. I owned one over A dozen years ago and love it. Great reliable and easy handling very accurate. That is the qualities of a great pistol. Looking at the Earnest Langdon PX4 compact carry model aswell
Thank you for this video! This is my first gun and it’s the F version! You explain this gun very clear and I am sure I will watch it over and over! Cheers!
Very knowledgable review.. Other channels complain it does not have the safety or no safety features they want.. they simple did not even know it is offered in 3 or 4 differenat varients..
Another excellent video. I carry the G version in 40.
Thank you for your informative and thorough vids! This one's especially interesting as I'm an original owner of a Pietro Beretta Cougar 8045F since 1998. Great piece of machinery, runs very well!
The rotating barrel system was first used in the Mexican Obregon .45acp pistol, btw.
Thank you once again!👍
great illustration. best px4 review on youtube! spot on!
Found your channel after searching for PX4 storm vids. Great video. Very informative.
Good video presentation that includes the history of the rotating barrel design incorporated in the Px4 Storm. I also prefer the push rather than the snap recoil of this gun due to this rotating barrel. Great gun coming from the oldest existing gun manufacturer in the world.
Still one of my favorite pistols. I like most of the striker-fire pistols, too, but the Px4 holds its own with any of them.
Huge fan of the PX4 and had no idea the cougar existed, man chris now I am going down a rabbit hole of can I get a cougar yet and put a red dot on it lol. Great video man!
The "C" version is very interesting. The same system is used in the Walther PPX, where is called "double action only". In reality both weapons fire from half cock position. That way the trigger pull is consistent at every shot. It's heavier than in SA (so safe enough to be used without external safeties and trigger safety), but the lenght of the pull is way shorter than in DA, and that makes for better accuracy.
Just bought a full size PX4 Type C Constant Action in 9mm. Changed out the hammer spring. Fantastic pistol!
They also offered a Type D DAO version with a longer trigger pull.
Most informative gun channel on UA-cam
Essential upgrades for this pistol: 92 style safety, decocker only conversion, grip tape. So just know that it's gonna cost extra going in.
Nice Review! It should also be noted that the Savage M1907 and French MAB PA 15 also had rotating barrel actions and the Beretta rotating barrel action is
probably more similar to that of the French MAB PA-15.
Both the Savage M1907 and MAB PA-15 are delayed blowbacks not locked breech. The barrel rotates, but not retreath with the barrel. The Steyr 1912 is more similar to the Beretta.
Olean, NY here... Rochester's just a stones throw away.
A quick note. You actually can get the PX4 with an ambidextrous slide release. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's standard, and the version I have came with one. Maybe Rochester decided to purchase without it for some reason.
Obergruppenfürhrer John Smith , RPD wanted a larger safety. Yes they are all ambidextrous.
best looking polymer pistol
These are FANTASTIC pistols
Excellent review--succinct and straightforward.
That my gun! I bought one 2 yrs ago and love it!
Had a PX4 compact, but the grip felt too short. Also, The plastic felt very flimsy, so if Intried another Storm, it would have to be a full-size with a trigger mod kit installed.
Hello to you,
Great story on PD, thanks again. I came across this firearm today full size (40) F model.
Great firearm and may grab it.
Be well
I love unique locking systems yet the only reason I don't have one of these I'm my collection is because I want to get my hands on a stoeger cougar first!!! Which I think is the nicer looking of the two.
I disagree. The cougar had many mechanical issues the Px4 corrected
hi, What issues does it have? it's in production, don't you think they corrected those issues with revisions?
I believe you may be the best person to answer my question. I have seen other reviewers post that the PX4 should not be carried in or fired from the half (more like quarter) cock position. The owners manual does not say this, though, it does state that "maximum safety" is achieved with the hammer fully decocked. My Sig 226 and HK USP both decock to half cock and are routinely carried in and fired from this hammer position. Is carrying and firing the Beretta PX4 from the half cock an acceptable practice? If not, why is it ok with the Sig and HK? Even though this is an older post, I hope you can respond with the correct answer. Thank you.
I think a version of this pistol with a 5 inch barrel would be awesome but I don't know why Beretta doesn't make it. Is it because not that many people are buying PX4s or do they not want to compete with the bigger 92s.
I have a PX4Storm Special Duty 45ACP fantastic gun. The rotating barrel is super. Being able to switch the magazine release is great but why not make all the control feature totally ambidextrous like many Grand Power guns. Spoiler since Beretta test fires all guns in their factory why aren't we getting used prices.
It it only accepted a m92 magazine....
Wonderful information. Thank you for this labor of love.
Take care.
Second time to watch this review, you did a great job. Thanks for sharing.
Wouldn't Beretta's most modernized pistol be the APX?
Lungorthin APX is based on a browning tilted barrel design (I'm pretty sure) and this piece has that cam/rotating system
You take a lot of liberties when judging ones tone online.
My statement still stands.
Tilting barrel designs have not been much improved since 80s and 90s.
Some people say that the px4 is the only reliable cam barreled system ever sold.
*I guess in the end it's a matter of opinion. Internet jag offs like you will never grasp that.*
The *m1912* was fed by stripper clip and is not by any means as reliable or modern as Brownings firearms from the same era.
Brownings ideas were boiled down and purified in the eighties by companies like glock.
Colt and beretta picked the cam system back up many years after Brownings ideas were perfected.
I thought this was an older video.
Both Roth-Krnka from 1907 and John M. Browning from 1897 (he never made the pistol but he did patent it in the US) would like to have a word with you about rotating barrels. o___O
First, I prefer the PX4 Storm Type D (DAO), which was designed for law enforcement. Beretta did not market or promote this weapon properly - it is a great weapon/weapon system! I can't believe they stopped making it! The striker fired weapons of today have too short a trigger-pull and can easily be suspectable to more rounds fired than intended - there is something to be said for the longer trigger pull (DAO version) of the PX4. As with anything, it should be revived at some point and hopefully they will market it properly.
Did you know that first popular striker pistol was Luger 1900 /Luger 1908? ;)
Some badass gunsmith got to raid colt's vault as payment and scored a bunch of classic colts from their literal womb. Oh baby, that's one hell of a "life's good" moment!
Those guns went to Reed Knight. But the ones Colt had got auctioned off because they were collateral for a loan
One great review.
This guy is good.
Thanks. I have that pistol and the Stoeger. Nice guns.
Your videos are informative as always, though I would like to suggest using a microphone that's closer to you as the volume of your voice is quite low and is drowned out whenever you rack the slides while raising the video volume means the sound from the gun becomes unbearably loud.
Where can I get the small tool you are using to point out the features of the gun???
I’m new to the channel and his is the quality content I subscribed for
Wasn’t the 9000 series the first use of the polymer frames for Beretta?
Yes it was!
Did not know colt failed at the rotating system beretra makes great guns
Best of the best, I carry the .40
Thanks
Thank you!
You're welcome!
The usual excellent video with educated commentary. I think if I had to suggest anything I'd say get more light on the subject itself; the gun's details are murky and it's hard to make out the inner workings when you're pointing things out or field stripping.
Wasn‘t the rotating barrel system invented by Krnka before ww1?
Yes. I think it's most famous use was the 1912 Steyr-Han
Gaston Glock
As usual, excellent overview & presentation. I use this as my HD gun... I do like it, but it is definitely not perfect. So, the dinky trap-spring slide stop often weirds me out... in hard use, or gritty dirty environments, I can see it failing. The trigger is okay. Hate the slide mounted safety; but... it's a slide mounted safety, so. The Dog-ear safety wings feel awful and painful. But the rotating "transfer button" decocker is clever. Hate the sights-- too narrow, too small. I do not see the rotating barrel system, while also very clever, being any more accurate or recoil-mitigating than a tilting breech lock... not tactically, anyway. The grip is MUCH too slippery, and requires a rubber sleeve, or a texture/backstrap/frontstrap redesign-- slips around WAY too much in the hand. All in all, I use it (shot it yesterday, even...) and I trust it, and I have for a few years now. I would have zero hesitancy fighting with it. But love? Hmmm.... strong like, sometimes love. It's not going anywhere (it is sitting 12" away from me...), so I guess that is an endorsement. 🤓
I had the Mid sized Beretta P4 Storm on Layaway failed to pick it up on time.. It got sold .. they had a used sub comapact in stock .. the barrel does not rotate 13 round mag. Fails to eject evry 4th round or so .. Looks like the Ejecttor tab is damaged or worn ..
I went on the Beretta web site.. When you look for a parts diagram the link takes to you to Brownells..
I would like a Full sized one .. I really like the feel and how it shoots..
But don't want to pay an extra $358.00 for machine work on the slide for a REd Dot.. Maybe have to go with a Smith and Wesson Sheild already mached for a Red Dot..
Beretta needs to keep up with the times..
If you still have the 45ACP, can you comment on how well the 45ACP pistol does with 230gr rounds -vs- 185gr ? Trying to find another data-point as some indication shows that the 230s didn't pattern well at all. Thanks!
stephane matis it has been gone a couple years
Thanks. Very interesting pistol.
IIRC Canadian border security/customs officers use PX4 pistols?
Robert Dawson yeah they use the double action only model
That's funny that the huge safety (which all the videos complain about) was a specific request from police. I will say if you don't ever shoot with winter gloves then guns with big controls like that won't make sense to you.
The M9 was my service pistol, but because of my MOS I didn't get much official time with it. I've rented 92s a few times, and appreciated them as target pistols, but they've always been too bulky to carry, so I'd probably only ever own one as a target pistol. The Px4 feels like a step towards a pistol that actually competes with a Glock or M&P for carry. It's light with blending lines and few jagged edges, so it does seem to me the intent was to compete in the domestic market rather than the military market. The rental I tried did show it's age, but I'm going to be doing the paperwork on one soon. I didn't really notice reduced recoil, but I did notice that it was reliable despite it's age and use.
The beretta cougar predates colts offerings. Among many others with this system.
GLOCK 46? Rotating barrel? Rumors are abundant
My daily carry in 40.
Heather, is there any way in you can increase the volume in post-production? My laptop speakers just can't project Chris's voice loud enough.
John Galt I actually do increase it quite a bit.
I m pretty sure the beretta cougar came out in 94.
I do not believe it is not a combat pistol. In fact a police department sued Beretta over this pistol. It took a lawsuit for beretta to send some down to look that there failed pistol. I am not sure if beretta fixed the problem but that police department sued beretta and no longer used the rotating barrel. Not sure what really happened, if beretta decide to settle the lawsuit. I am not LE, or in military. I was just look for a new modern design to shoot in IDPA. An this is what I was told by my gunsmiths. Who had to be there when Beretta was getting sued.
45 Auto in this is excellent
My Px4 is accurate and dependable.
My carry!
What are your opinions on how it did on MAC gauntlet test on it.
vanrickenstien I have not seen the video
I was considering buying a used one in 40 but was kind of concerned leaving in michigan with beaches/sand dunes after MAC's test. @@SmallArmsSolutions
@@vanrickenstien The gauntlet test is made just for fun, and shouldn't be taken seriously.
A test made on just a sample, in different conditions any time (different composition of the mud, different manipulation of the gun) has not the slightiest pretense of scientificity. If you are interested in the performances of different handguns after having been covered in mud, take five samples for any model you want to compare, throw all of them in the same cement mixer full of the same mud, and test them at once after having recovered them.
BTW no army in the world is interested in the result of a "gauntlet test", and for a simple reason. The conditions are so unrealistic (a not holstered handgun first submerged in water, then covered in sand, then in dirt, then in mud, and fired any time? How that is supposed to happen in combat?) that it makes no sense to see what handgun performs better, overlooking more relevant stuff, like the accuracy, or the reliability in normal operating conditions.
Something always feels cheap about the handgun when you actually shoot it. Something about the trigger and the recoil conspire to make it feel like a cheap toy... but that’s just a personal thing. I recently bought one in 40 as the fully supported chamber and rotating barrel seemed to suit the cartridge perfectly. Can’t say I hate it but sometimes seems strange about it. Can’t put my finger on it.
It's the grips, those plastic diamonds totally make the thing feel like a toy due to just how much they dig into your hand
FWIW I shot one of these at a rental range and it felt really bad in the hand. Worse than a glock, for reference, and I don't think glocks feel good.
I own one, I quite like it, it's just a matter of finding a preferred grip size and, well, wearing gloves
I love my px4
is the apx also chrome lined?
Yes