Marshall and I love to do these episodes! If you have more questions please call us and leave a voicemail 1-858-609-9453 or send an audio recording to support@proko.com.
Hi, Rebekah here! Thanks so much for answering my question :) Your recommendation to see projects through to the end just to build that habit (and make the next project better) really hit home for me. I tend to notice mistakes partway through, get frustrated, and scrap the whole thing... which is a bad habit I definitely need to break! I also tend to keep pieces to myself until they're finished when it sounds like I could actually benefit from getting more eyes on my WIPs. I guess it all boils down to perfectionism. I'll work on overcoming that from now on!
*REGARDING PHYSICAL HEALTH PROBLEMS FOR ARTISTS LIKE CARPAL TUNNEL* The most essential book I'd recommend to any artist who want to be serious or that just draws a lot is "Draw Stronger" by Kriota Willberg. It's an really easy almost comic like read were she goes through the physical problems artists can face in the first half of the book and in the second half she lists a bunch of workouts, stretches and routines to help you combat these and make them never happen in the first place or at the very least minimize the damage.
Ballpoint pens weren't used for comic books for a long time because it didn't deliver a uniform black ink that was conducive to the print and reproduction process. The appeal of ballpoint pen artwork is that you can "fade" it through speed and pressure and this was anathema to the comic book making process. NOWADAYS however, the artwork can be scanned and ball point inks can be reproduced with better fidelity in the reproduction process.
This video honestly could not have come at a better time. I'm 34, and I finally realized that I have to leap into a career in art/writing, or I will always return to it until I die. My soul has always returned to art and writing since I was a child... but I stubbornly always pushed it away because I was told by my parents and many other people that I would go nowhere and die in poverty. I just made up my mind (after a few years of doodle and writing 28 chapters of my book) to make a career into this soul-crushing passion. I found a university that had all the skills that I craved to learn, but then I saw the price... omg. I have kids. My career would be even more buried, and the entire family might starve before my education would have finished. I asked the writers community that I am a part of for advice, and they sent me off to so many courses and options. Creative Writing courses were not a problem anymore. Although I was worried about Art class (which can also be very expensive), and this video popped up in my recommendations. Thank you!! Thank you. And thank you. I am very doubtful that you will read this but thank you. I remember that Proko has a few courses, so I will sign up for them when I have the budget! Please stay safe and healthy! p.s. I signed up for the trial version and it is fantastic! I am learning so much that I never thought I would learn! Thank you so much for making the trial available.
Aaron Blaise uses Tul gel pens. He says you can use watercolor over the ink. He has several UA-cam videos where he uses them. Also, for the man wanting short poses, if he can't find a group, CroquisCafe is a wonderful resource for short poses. You find them on Vimeo.
Man I love this podcast. I listen to this while drawing after work. By the way, working out was of major importance for me to improve in my drawing. After a couple of months of seriously getting into excercise, my anatomy drawing just improved haha.
This is a great topic! I know many artists who gave up and avoided people in order to perfect their craft. There is a quote from Kobe Bryant regarding sacrifice in order to be greater at your craft. Thank you for going over this! Also you answer so many questions we artists have! Thank you so much Proko and Marshall!
Regarding carpal tunnel/wrist tendinitis, stretch every day and often (Google wrist and forearm stretches) and also check the ergonomics of your setup. Years ago when I started back drawing it had been so long that I got severe tendinitis. I had to stop drawing for months. Mine flairs up every now and then due to my job as software dev but it's manageable. Good luck.
Actually wanted to add to Marshall's recommendation to folders for body worth knowing. Photos and videos of ball room dancers are a great resource for muscles and bodies in motion. I learned of this due to a manga about ball room dancing called "Welcome to the Ballroom". The author really knows her anatomy and gestures to the point of rendering each muscle mass in motion with one to two lines capturing the gesture of the motion. You can tell which muscles are working and which are resting through her illustration through out the comic. Also to note that attire and costume for ballroom dancing are form fitting and accentuates the lines of the dancers which helps with capturing a simplified form of the body.
yeah but those aren't ballpoint in the sense that they use an oil based ink. I haven't looked into it but I've never heard of an archival ball point pen with oil based ink.
Hot tip for seeing your own mistakes: take a picture of your drawing with your phone! I am always more likely to see my mistakes when I am trying to send a WIP shot to someone!
Important advise on carpal tunnel and other joint related issues. In most cases (90% or more) the problems in the shoulders, hand joints and so forth comes from a bad posture especially lower neck. Sit straighter and more balanced. For instance you could place a tennis ball behind your neck while sitting in your office chair and sit so that it stays there. The idea is to keep your backbone and neck straight.
I can't fathom having to learn to draw or even just draw without friends, they pointed out so many mistakes i did in my training, they even help me out now when coming up with concept arts for characters in my games. Power is in the many. There's only so much you can do alone.
I've been waiting for this 😆 I always listen to your podcasts when I'm just drawing for myself (not really studying though, that's impossible when I hear other voices). You've provided me with new ways to approach drawing, and most importantly how to LEARN to draw. Thank you so much guys 😭👍
A cool tip for flipping to check proportions in Photoshop. Under Edit you can modify your keyboard shortcuts. Pick a lame shortcut you never use and assign it to "Flip Horizontal" (I used F4). That way with the push of a button you can mirror your canvas back and forth and stay on top of your mistakes or adjust for a more ergonomic stroke!
I unironically keep a collection of Marshall and Stan weird and funny moments/screenshots. I've never been this into something but you two keep me company, teach me stuff about but not limited to drawing and make me laugh. It's perfect
I had wrist pain for a few weeks. I just rested for a week or so, stopped holding the stylus too tightly, and started to draw from the elbow more. So far I haven't had any more problems
Right on man! Yeah when my teacher convinced me to start using my arm and shoulder to draw it made alot more sense and felt alot better... the range of movement is way more comfortable, arm and shoulder like a tripod, wrist like a knee
Thanks so much for answering the question about Nicolaides, I was very concerned about drawing from photos--even though I have done it all the time in the past!
That hand stretch - wow! Felt really good xD I've found a great exercise for the hands that helps me a lot: I've got those big plastic buckets for protein powder. I put a few inches of water in there as weigh, then put my hand in there, spread my fingers and lift the bucket. So basically I'm holding it with my outstretched fingers. I hold it for a while, then put it down and repeat a few times. And stretch the hands in between. I do tend to get lazy about it if I don't have problems for a while, but after going through yer another typewriter's cramp or carpal tunnel problems I always come back to it. Also since I started practising giving massages, the pains got less and less as well with my hands getting stronger.
*On the hand Carpal tunnel part I would like to suggest something for artists that I do. Type "make time to stretch art" in google the first image that comes up.* When I find myself having hand pain from overworking I will do those stretches 2(usualy before the practice and sometime at night) times a day 30secs per hand and exercise. It's to do them anyways even without a problem so you don't develop one.
Marshall drinking a normal coffee ☕️ and calling it strong... I remember making a normal French pressed coffee for a random friendly Californian man slightly younger than Marshall, who helped us out at a camping site... his eyes nearly popped out and called it a double espresso “or something” 😂. We were sipping it like our normal cup of coffee as us Euro trash do but the poor man expected a “cup of Joe” (tastes like dirty water to us like the coffee flew over the hot water and missed it somehow ☺️... taste differs and the surprise is always good: try new stuff always as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone/ thing. Yay Marshall! ✅
If the open drawing sessions in your area do not feature short poses, you can always hire your own models. Recruiting both from the open sessions and/or from craigslist/social media. This will likely be more expensive by the hour than an open session, but you also have much more ability to direct the model. This is a time-tested method that the masters used, so it must be worthwhile!
A tip for the man who asked about using ball point pen: Your pen art could last a very long time if you draw on archival paper, followed by framing with archival mat, backing and UV blocking "museum" glass. Also never expose it to direct sunlight and limit higher amounts of artificial UV light (such as halogen bulbs). Even with the most fugitive pigments, archival materials, framing and proper care will increase their longevity greatly.
On the topic of Modeling workshops, I have been on both sides of this issue Dave. I have been an artist and a model and personally I think that short poses are super important. Here is what I have experienced. As a Model I like the short poses because I can be more creative and do way over exaggerated poses, but it is difficult to hold these poses for a long time. Short poses are best for this if you want awesome dynamic stuff in real life. For longer poses, you are going to get a more static pose, and even that is exhausting for a model. As an artist, I always loved doing the quick poses, especially to start a session because it gets me warmed up and it makes my long pose drawings better. However, a lot of the artists around me did not like the quick poses, and I think the reason is they feel like they don't have enough time to FINISH their drawing, and they fear not finishing more. I think the mind set is, as long as there is more time....I can make this look better. People don't view the short poses for what they are...warm up, they want to finish the drawing. I think this is something that you need to educate people into understanding what the benefit of it is.
Ben Dinsmore I prefer short poses as it means I can gain more mileage, do more drawings, a greater range of gestures, and increase my understanding. I also get faster and have much more confident line work. I may not have as many finished drawings, but I feel I have a much better understanding of some figure fundamentals thanks to short poses.
Tom Gauld brought me onto the "Uni-ball Eye micro". It's a black ballpoint pen with a lovely, very regular line, slow or fast. I really like it. It says it's "water/fade proof"
.......As a person with experience with Carpal tunnel/Radial tunnel/Repetitive Strain Injury like symptoms for 9 years. The solution isn’t the same for everyone ,because not everyone has the same problem. ( even tho many ppl say they have carpal tunnel,fibromyalgia or TMS) There is no simple answer. Just going to the doctor may take awhile since the research on stuff like this is still in it’s early stages. But I believe going is always helpful. Also mental health professionals can help stay positive about the experience as well .It may not be a life or death issue but its still a life changing experience. I wish anyone with a health issue the best of luck and try to find ways to stay happy and fit.
Carpal Tunnel problems / most muscle related issues can be improved with some body-mind awareness and knowledge of body mechanics. I had a few courses at my liberal arts school for Alexander Technique and Feldenkrais Method. It plays really well with the physical act of drawing and painting and doing it efficiently. I would recommend looking these things up, or find a trainer somewhere. I use some of what I learned in these classes when I teach my high school art classes. Now if there are serious problems a doctor should be consulted, but the goal of these exercises is to stop problems from building up in the first place.
Thank you for telling me not to loose hope. As someone that’s had wrist injuries for over 3 years that haven’t improved , I’ve recently got back into art. I’m limited in how much I can work with my wrist and I try to compensate for that by really evaluating the page carefully as I work on it. Since I can’t practice that much unlike normal people, I’m learning a lot by watching and from tutorials. I’m also doing my own wrist pt, and I think I’m getting a little better, because my insurance won’t let me go to wrist pt when I’ve been going to pt already for a different problem
Love the podcast, it's very refreshingly genuine and it's great that you guys aren't on here trying to sell everyone the "secret" to getting rich on RedBubble. I'd like to add some unsolicited advice from an unsuccessful, nobody artist (me), regarding whether or not you have to give up your life to become successful. In my experience, the single most critical thing to being successful as an artist (and everything else under the sun), is consistency. If you draw 20 minutes every...single...day, you will improve. From there it is the amount in which you increase your time doing the thing (drawing, working out, etc.) consistently that will improve the speed in which you master it.
It all depends on how fast you wanna reach your goal, and maybe you'll have to make some sacrifices, especially in a competetive industry. I feel like outside people dont realize that this is a career and its not just a hobby...btw im a 3d artist. You could in theory accomplish everything in a given day, but thats pretty unrealistic for most people considering not everyone has that excellent time management. Even if u do squeez everything into ur schedule theres still gonna be a trade off and I feel its important to realize this. If you try to fit everything eventually you'll burn out. Just be mindful of how much you can do.
So check it out: Carpal tunnel hitting you hard? Stop drawing with your wrist. Stop right now. You're wasting your time. You need to start drawing with your shoulder. It's going to be weird and difficult at first, BUT by the time you get it, you'll never want to go back. You get smoother lines and better overall strokes if you really lean into it and try your best. Think I'm full of it? Look it up. Even Stan the Man hold his pencil differently, because why? He draws with his shoulder. I think people just continue to draw as they have all their life, but it puts strain on the wrist to do it that way.
I’ll add something: try drawing bigger, much bigger. Great comment. This is very very true, however sometimes wrist pain is due to just gripping things or using your thumb. A bike crash causes pain in my wrist, no matter how loose my grip is or shoulder-driven my drawing is. Taught myself to draw with my left hand.
Advice like this (no offense) is just incorrect. I don't think anyone should quit drawing with their wrist because of Carpal Tunnel, because drawing with your wrist is sometimes necessary. If you are drawing in a regular sketchbook, it simply is not big enough for you to use your shoulder the whole drawing. If you are rendering or shading or adding any details to your drawing; using your wrist is necessary. Sure, if you're working on 15 inches x 8 inches then using your shoulder the whole drawing is the best way to go about it but when it comes to draftsmanship, using all of your arm all the way to your shoulder is necessary and any debilitating illness should be treated for your health and for whatever you are using the affected body-part for.
I feel like Stan could benefit from some bodyweight training program. The gym not being open doesn't have to be an excuse! Personally I follow a pretty sophisticated training routine at home even without the pandemia. It takes a lot less time when you don't spend 40 minutes going to the gym so I could spend more time mastering my craft.
Regarding CARPAL TUNNEL issues... I'm a professional painter who had to deal with carpal tunnel in BOTH hands from an ill-advised session of pulling ivy out of my backyard one weekend, and it destroyed my hands. NOTE: If your hands start to hurt, IMMEDIATELY stop whatever you're doing that's causing the pain! I ended up trying lots of exercises, hand therapist, accupuncture and accupressure, massage, etc. I ended up getting the carpal surgery on both hands, six weeks apart. It was the best decision I ever made and it finally gave me relief. I also started wearing hand/wrist braces at night which also dramatically helped my hands. I was back to painting within six months, and sometimes, during long sessions, I will wear the braces while painting and drawing. It takes time, but now my hands are back to normal. I hope sharing my experience helps!
36:00 Not from personal experience but I know a woman who had two strokes and lost ability in her hands, she now after only a year can draw as well as she could prior to having them. Another friend of mine of over a decade had a brain tumor and had it removed. He has hand tremors now. He too is able to draw and just exercises he hand with caution, and tries to get full whole diet. Some people will have things they can't recover from of course... Just know it is possible and people do overcome things. So can you!
Blonde has the most caffeine ironically. Undercooked beans retain a lot of it. The more you cook them, the darker the brew. It makes the coffee more flavorful at the cost of the caffeine.
Also "Draw This" friday night life poses. There's several sessions in the archives with live models that go from one minute poses to longer ones. You can pause of course and make any into a long, detailed drawing. The models are really great too!
actually the artistic jesus sounds not bad at all...lots of times there are very useful things to take from other professions and put in one's own, in this case into art
astigmatism effects how one see light . thatch why he could tell because the light was drawn like beams and lens flairs instead of soft gradeince it looked like a solid mass. i n had an still life art teacher would get mad at me for drawing light that way. but that being said her issue dose still sound like a vision issue .
For me, trying to salvage and finish something gone wrong becomes more and more complex, creating an unfinish-able monster. Big time sink. Hard to parse the learning involved down that road...
Ok Stan clearly you aren't a lightweight when it comes to alcohol because I can literally feel it after one sip XD I don't feel mentally drunk after one sip but my arms and legs get almost immediately heavy and tingly!
Hihi Stan, did you enjoy Breaking dawn from Twilight? I never got further in the boos after watching the movies when I was a bit younger. But I am wondering if you enjoyed them? 🌝
Marshall and I love to do these episodes! If you have more questions please call us and leave a voicemail 1-858-609-9453 or send an audio recording to support@proko.com.
Stan: 21:52 "Anyone else is putting in twenty five hours per day""...Khm yeah...:D I wish I can do that...I always said I need 48 hours / day
Guy calls asking about ballpoint pens
Stan: This is an avengers level threat
The upside to not having friends is I don’t need to worry about sacrificing a social life to be a good artist since I don’t have one to begin with
Òof
Yow we're on the same boat! 😆
Yeah, me too. 😢
Saaaame
Pros of not having friends 🥲
Hi, Rebekah here! Thanks so much for answering my question :) Your recommendation to see projects through to the end just to build that habit (and make the next project better) really hit home for me. I tend to notice mistakes partway through, get frustrated, and scrap the whole thing... which is a bad habit I definitely need to break! I also tend to keep pieces to myself until they're finished when it sounds like I could actually benefit from getting more eyes on my WIPs. I guess it all boils down to perfectionism. I'll work on overcoming that from now on!
*REGARDING PHYSICAL HEALTH PROBLEMS FOR ARTISTS LIKE CARPAL TUNNEL*
The most essential book I'd recommend to any artist who want to be serious or that just draws a lot is "Draw Stronger" by Kriota Willberg. It's an really easy almost comic like read were she goes through the physical problems artists can face in the first half of the book and in the second half she lists a bunch of workouts, stretches and routines to help you combat these and make them never happen in the first place or at the very least minimize the damage.
Thank you! Going to look for this!
thanks! I just bought it too!
Hell yeah! I thought for some reason the season was over! This is all I have to look forward to anymore lol
Right!
Ballpoint pens weren't used for comic books for a long time because it didn't deliver a uniform black ink that was conducive to the print and reproduction process. The appeal of ballpoint pen artwork is that you can "fade" it through speed and pressure and this was anathema to the comic book making process. NOWADAYS however, the artwork can be scanned and ball point inks can be reproduced with better fidelity in the reproduction process.
This video honestly could not have come at a better time. I'm 34, and I finally realized that I have to leap into a career in art/writing, or I will always return to it until I die. My soul has always returned to art and writing since I was a child... but I stubbornly always pushed it away because I was told by my parents and many other people that I would go nowhere and die in poverty. I just made up my mind (after a few years of doodle and writing 28 chapters of my book) to make a career into this soul-crushing passion. I found a university that had all the skills that I craved to learn, but then I saw the price... omg. I have kids. My career would be even more buried, and the entire family might starve before my education would have finished. I asked the writers community that I am a part of for advice, and they sent me off to so many courses and options. Creative Writing courses were not a problem anymore. Although I was worried about Art class (which can also be very expensive), and this video popped up in my recommendations. Thank you!! Thank you. And thank you. I am very doubtful that you will read this but thank you. I remember that Proko has a few courses, so I will sign up for them when I have the budget! Please stay safe and healthy!
p.s. I signed up for the trial version and it is fantastic! I am learning so much that I never thought I would learn! Thank you so much for making the trial available.
Jeez, I can soooo relate to this, I could have written every single word of this
I love how wholesome these guys are that even when they want to argue they just compliment each other
19:00- The way Marshall’s face lights up whenever someone mentions attending community college is priceless😂
Aaron Blaise uses Tul gel pens. He says you can use watercolor over the ink. He has several UA-cam videos where he uses them. Also, for the man wanting short poses, if he can't find a group, CroquisCafe is a wonderful resource for short poses. You find them on Vimeo.
Yeah, it's a bummer that UA-cam deleted all of his videos, forcing him to go to Vimeo. Great resource though!
Man I love this podcast. I listen to this while drawing after work.
By the way, working out was of major importance for me to improve in my drawing. After a couple of months of seriously getting into excercise, my anatomy drawing just improved haha.
AHHH! We love Draftsmen!!
Marshall: "This is real strong coffee not that milky stuff"
Me: *makes extremely strong coffee, then douses it with heavy cream*
Shame on you!!! Draftsmen should only drink Black Coffee without sougar.
PS: Just joking
This is a great topic! I know many artists who gave up and avoided people in order to perfect their craft. There is a quote from Kobe Bryant regarding sacrifice in order to be greater at your craft. Thank you for going over this! Also you answer so many questions we artists have! Thank you so much Proko and Marshall!
But my joints hurt...
I want a coffee related T-shirt and an "IT DEPENDS" T-shirt from proko. :P
Regarding carpal tunnel/wrist tendinitis, stretch every day and often (Google wrist and forearm stretches) and also check the ergonomics of your setup. Years ago when I started back drawing it had been so long that I got severe tendinitis. I had to stop drawing for months. Mine flairs up every now and then due to my job as software dev but it's manageable. Good luck.
Thank you!
Good for Charlie! Keep it up!
Please don't stop these podcasts guys. You're both very entertaining -and have been since the start!
Actually wanted to add to Marshall's recommendation to folders for body worth knowing. Photos and videos of ball room dancers are a great resource for muscles and bodies in motion. I learned of this due to a manga about ball room dancing called "Welcome to the Ballroom". The author really knows her anatomy and gestures to the point of rendering each muscle mass in motion with one to two lines capturing the gesture of the motion. You can tell which muscles are working and which are resting through her illustration through out the comic. Also to note that attire and costume for ballroom dancing are form fitting and accentuates the lines of the dancers which helps with capturing a simplified form of the body.
The 'Pilot Hi-Tec-C' Gel pens and the 'Uni-Ball Signo' series pens are both archival. I love them, they're my preferred drawing tool.
I love my uni ball signo but I never knew it was archival. Thanks for this. Now I have a reason to love it even more.
yeah but those aren't ballpoint in the sense that they use an oil based ink. I haven't looked into it but I've never heard of an archival ball point pen with oil based ink.
Oh yeah, the Pilot Hi-Tec-C is definitely my favorite pen- the lines are so fine and the cost is almost nothing.
Hot tip for seeing your own mistakes: take a picture of your drawing with your phone! I am always more likely to see my mistakes when I am trying to send a WIP shot to someone!
Important advise on carpal tunnel and other joint related issues. In most cases (90% or more) the problems in the shoulders, hand joints and so forth comes from a bad posture especially lower neck. Sit straighter and more balanced. For instance you could place a tennis ball behind your neck while sitting in your office chair and sit so that it stays there. The idea is to keep your backbone and neck straight.
I can't fathom having to learn to draw or even just draw without friends, they pointed out so many mistakes i did in my training, they even help me out now when coming up with concept arts for characters in my games. Power is in the many. There's only so much you can do alone.
I've been waiting for this 😆 I always listen to your podcasts when I'm just drawing for myself (not really studying though, that's impossible when I hear other voices). You've provided me with new ways to approach drawing, and most importantly how to LEARN to draw. Thank you so much guys 😭👍
Man these podcast are great. Love the dynamic of Marshall and Stan. Please don’t ever change.
A cool tip for flipping to check proportions in Photoshop.
Under Edit you can modify your keyboard shortcuts.
Pick a lame shortcut you never use and assign it to "Flip Horizontal" (I used F4).
That way with the push of a button you can mirror your canvas back and forth and stay on top of your mistakes or adjust for a more ergonomic stroke!
About the long poses in the live drawing workshops: why not walk around and do multiple quick sketches from different angels during the same pose?
27:23 I commend Charlies dedication to Stan and Marshall's deranged requests... Also the chapter title for that bit is killing me
Marshall and Stan are so inciteful. The listener question response were good.
Love Charlie for that, what a legend!
I unironically keep a collection of Marshall and Stan weird and funny moments/screenshots. I've never been this into something but you two keep me company, teach me stuff about but not limited to drawing and make me laugh. It's perfect
Wow! Id like to see this collection...
I had wrist pain for a few weeks. I just rested for a week or so, stopped holding the stylus too tightly, and started to draw from the elbow more.
So far I haven't had any more problems
Right on man! Yeah when my teacher convinced me to start using my arm and shoulder to draw it made alot more sense and felt alot better... the range of movement is way more comfortable, arm and shoulder like a tripod, wrist like a knee
Thanks so much for answering the question about Nicolaides, I was very concerned about drawing from photos--even though I have done it all the time in the past!
charlie, the heartthrob of the draftsmen podcast
That hand stretch - wow! Felt really good xD I've found a great exercise for the hands that helps me a lot:
I've got those big plastic buckets for protein powder. I put a few inches of water in there as weigh, then put my hand in there, spread my fingers and lift the bucket. So basically I'm holding it with my outstretched fingers. I hold it for a while, then put it down and repeat a few times. And stretch the hands in between.
I do tend to get lazy about it if I don't have problems for a while, but after going through yer another typewriter's cramp or carpal tunnel problems I always come back to it.
Also since I started practising giving massages, the pains got less and less as well with my hands getting stronger.
*On the hand Carpal tunnel part I would like to suggest something for artists that I do. Type "make time to stretch art" in google the first image that comes up.* When I find myself having hand pain from overworking I will do those stretches 2(usualy before the practice and sometime at night) times a day 30secs per hand and exercise. It's to do them anyways even without a problem so you don't develop one.
Love the postcast! I usually draw while I listen it. Thanks for the humor
Marshall drinking a normal coffee ☕️ and calling it strong... I remember making a normal French pressed coffee for a random friendly Californian man slightly younger than Marshall, who helped us out at a camping site... his eyes nearly popped out and called it a double espresso “or something” 😂. We were sipping it like our normal cup of coffee as us Euro trash do but the poor man expected a “cup of Joe” (tastes like dirty water to us like the coffee flew over the hot water and missed it somehow ☺️... taste differs and the surprise is always good: try new stuff always as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone/ thing. Yay Marshall! ✅
Thank you guys for keep doing this 😊 greetings from Peru 🇵🇪
Strong coffee put Marshall in an argumentative mood 😂 great podcast guys, I found this very inspiring!
Hope you guys keep doing, for an aspiring graphic novelist, this has a huge impact on me
Wow you added the question into the video timeline nice that’s such a good idea!
If the open drawing sessions in your area do not feature short poses, you can always hire your own models. Recruiting both from the open sessions and/or from craigslist/social media. This will likely be more expensive by the hour than an open session, but you also have much more ability to direct the model. This is a time-tested method that the masters used, so it must be worthwhile!
A tip for the man who asked about using ball point pen: Your pen art could last a very long time if you draw on archival paper, followed by framing with archival mat, backing and UV blocking "museum" glass. Also never expose it to direct sunlight and limit higher amounts of artificial UV light (such as halogen bulbs). Even with the most fugitive pigments, archival materials, framing and proper care will increase their longevity greatly.
On the topic of Modeling workshops, I have been on both sides of this issue Dave. I have been an artist and a model and personally I think that short poses are super important. Here is what I have experienced. As a Model I like the short poses because I can be more creative and do way over exaggerated poses, but it is difficult to hold these poses for a long time. Short poses are best for this if you want awesome dynamic stuff in real life. For longer poses, you are going to get a more static pose, and even that is exhausting for a model. As an artist, I always loved doing the quick poses, especially to start a session because it gets me warmed up and it makes my long pose drawings better. However, a lot of the artists around me did not like the quick poses, and I think the reason is they feel like they don't have enough time to FINISH their drawing, and they fear not finishing more. I think the mind set is, as long as there is more time....I can make this look better. People don't view the short poses for what they are...warm up, they want to finish the drawing. I think this is something that you need to educate people into understanding what the benefit of it is.
Ben Dinsmore I prefer short poses as it means I can gain more mileage, do more drawings, a greater range of gestures, and increase my understanding. I also get faster and have much more confident line work. I may not have as many finished drawings, but I feel I have a much better understanding of some figure fundamentals thanks to short poses.
Tom Gauld brought me onto the "Uni-ball Eye micro". It's a black ballpoint pen with a lovely, very regular line, slow or fast. I really like it. It says it's "water/fade proof"
.......As a person with experience with Carpal tunnel/Radial tunnel/Repetitive Strain Injury like symptoms for 9 years. The solution isn’t the same for everyone ,because not everyone has the same problem. ( even tho many ppl say they have carpal tunnel,fibromyalgia or TMS) There is no simple answer. Just going to the doctor may take awhile since the research on stuff like this is still in it’s early stages. But I believe going is always helpful. Also mental health professionals can help stay positive about the experience as well .It may not be a life or death issue but its still a life changing experience. I wish anyone with a health issue the best of luck and try to find ways to stay happy and fit.
Thank you!
Carpal Tunnel problems / most muscle related issues can be improved with some body-mind awareness and knowledge of body mechanics. I had a few courses at my liberal arts school for Alexander Technique and Feldenkrais Method. It plays really well with the physical act of drawing and painting and doing it efficiently. I would recommend looking these things up, or find a trainer somewhere. I use some of what I learned in these classes when I teach my high school art classes. Now if there are serious problems a doctor should be consulted, but the goal of these exercises is to stop problems from building up in the first place.
Thank you!
Thank you for telling me not to loose hope. As someone that’s had wrist injuries for over 3 years that haven’t improved , I’ve recently got back into art. I’m limited in how much I can work with my wrist and I try to compensate for that by really evaluating the page carefully as I work on it. Since I can’t practice that much unlike normal people, I’m learning a lot by watching and from tutorials.
I’m also doing my own wrist pt, and I think I’m getting a little better, because my insurance won’t let me go to wrist pt when I’ve been going to pt already for a different problem
Great podcast as always. Just saying, there are tons of UA-cam videos on working out at home without equipment.
LOL Marshall's been discovering folk punk. Now I'm interested in which band you were referring to!
Love the podcast, it's very refreshingly genuine and it's great that you guys aren't on here trying to sell everyone the "secret" to getting rich on RedBubble. I'd like to add some unsolicited advice from an unsuccessful, nobody artist (me), regarding whether or not you have to give up your life to become successful. In my experience, the single most critical thing to being successful as an artist (and everything else under the sun), is consistency. If you draw 20 minutes every...single...day, you will improve. From there it is the amount in which you increase your time doing the thing (drawing, working out, etc.) consistently that will improve the speed in which you master it.
Literally started getting Carpal Tunnel on the day this came out, interested to hear what they will say about it
count my blessings and add Draftsmen to my list.
It all depends on how fast you wanna reach your goal, and maybe you'll have to make some sacrifices, especially in a competetive industry. I feel like outside people dont realize that this is a career and its not just a hobby...btw im a 3d artist. You could in theory accomplish everything in a given day, but thats pretty unrealistic for most people considering not everyone has that excellent time management. Even if u do squeez everything into ur schedule theres still gonna be a trade off and I feel its important to realize this. If you try to fit everything eventually you'll burn out. Just be mindful of how much you can do.
So check it out: Carpal tunnel hitting you hard? Stop drawing with your wrist. Stop right now. You're wasting your time. You need to start drawing with your shoulder. It's going to be weird and difficult at first, BUT by the time you get it, you'll never want to go back. You get smoother lines and better overall strokes if you really lean into it and try your best.
Think I'm full of it? Look it up. Even Stan the Man hold his pencil differently, because why? He draws with his shoulder.
I think people just continue to draw as they have all their life, but it puts strain on the wrist to do it that way.
Totally agree!
Are you saying that all of us should draw with the shoulder or only if you have ct?
I’ll add something: try drawing bigger, much bigger. Great comment. This is very very true, however sometimes wrist pain is due to just gripping things or using your thumb. A bike crash causes pain in my wrist, no matter how loose my grip is or shoulder-driven my drawing is. Taught myself to draw with my left hand.
Advice like this (no offense) is just incorrect. I don't think anyone should quit drawing with their wrist because of Carpal Tunnel, because drawing with your wrist is sometimes necessary. If you are drawing in a regular sketchbook, it simply is not big enough for you to use your shoulder the whole drawing. If you are rendering or shading or adding any details to your drawing; using your wrist is necessary. Sure, if you're working on 15 inches x 8 inches then using your shoulder the whole drawing is the best way to go about it but when it comes to draftsmanship, using all of your arm all the way to your shoulder is necessary and any debilitating illness should be treated for your health and for whatever you are using the affected body-part for.
But how about us drawing on sketchbooks or on small graphics tablets? 😭😭😭
Best intro ever!
35:00 Alexander Technique | Feldenkrais
Line of Action is a pretty good online space where you can set up your poses as you see fit.
I feel like Stan could benefit from some bodyweight training program. The gym not being open doesn't have to be an excuse! Personally I follow a pretty sophisticated training routine at home even without the pandemia. It takes a lot less time when you don't spend 40 minutes going to the gym so I could spend more time mastering my craft.
I was about to comment about Oscar Pistorious' murdering habits before the interjection by Future Stan. Haha.
Regarding CARPAL TUNNEL issues... I'm a professional painter who had to deal with carpal tunnel in BOTH hands from an ill-advised session of pulling ivy out of my backyard one weekend, and it destroyed my hands. NOTE: If your hands start to hurt, IMMEDIATELY stop whatever you're doing that's causing the pain! I ended up trying lots of exercises, hand therapist, accupuncture and accupressure, massage, etc. I ended up getting the carpal surgery on both hands, six weeks apart. It was the best decision I ever made and it finally gave me relief. I also started wearing hand/wrist braces at night which also dramatically helped my hands. I was back to painting within six months, and sometimes, during long sessions, I will wear the braces while painting and drawing. It takes time, but now my hands are back to normal. I hope sharing my experience helps!
Marshall, the first rule of coffe here is.. if you can see the spoon over 1mm under the surface... it is not strong enough.
36:00 Not from personal experience but I know a woman who had two strokes and lost ability in her hands, she now after only a year can draw as well as she could prior to having them. Another friend of mine of over a decade had a brain tumor and had it removed. He has hand tremors now. He too is able to draw and just exercises he hand with caution, and tries to get full whole diet. Some people will have things they can't recover from of course... Just know it is possible and people do overcome things. So can you!
34:00 how wimpy you are xDD sooo funny, guys had me crying
34:05 - A glimpse of the real show 😂
work of choice
39:32 LMAO
caught me off guard
21:49 "Tweny five hours per day !" 😊
I wonder if doing handbalancing and lifting weights with thick bar grips can help you deal with symptoms of carpal tunnel and stuff.
Blonde has the most caffeine ironically. Undercooked beans retain a lot of it. The more you cook them, the darker the brew. It makes the coffee more flavorful at the cost of the caffeine.
Also "Draw This" friday night life poses. There's several sessions in the archives with live models that go from one minute poses to longer ones. You can pause of course and make any into a long, detailed drawing. The models are really great too!
I can smell Marshalls coffe breath through the screen
actually the artistic jesus sounds not bad at all...lots of times there are very useful things to take from other professions and put in one's own, in this case into art
I am now wondering what art works by artist with astigmatism look like?
Regarding that perspective course of Marshall, just wanna give an update here that its about 10 yrs now and this episode 10 of season 2 😂
I have to disappoint Marshall: I have to put milk or cream in my coffee or I get heartburn. I've drank too much of it over the years.
Rebecca has some excellent questions.
"it depends"
-stan prokopenko 2020
Dude I can confirm my coffee works right after the first sip, causing mechanical reaction if you get what I mean
What's the name of that punk band that Marshall mentioned? They sound like a party!
So does the drawing autocorrect come over years of hard work or there's a way to correct drawings without drying your pencils out?
Oh my gosh please make that episode of Jesus & artists
astigmatism effects how one see light . thatch why he could tell because the light was drawn like beams and lens flairs instead of soft gradeince it looked like a solid mass. i n had an still life art teacher would get mad at me for drawing light that way. but that being said her issue dose still sound like a vision issue .
Art lessons from Jesus 😆 I'm looking forward to it
Same girl
i will be waiting for the jesus art lessons episode
For me, trying to salvage and finish something gone wrong becomes more and more complex, creating an unfinish-able monster. Big time sink. Hard to parse the learning involved down that road...
To be honest I would love a episode about art lessons from Jesus
Jim Jefferies has a really really good routine on pistorius, you should watch it.
Yaaaay👌😍😍
What punk band?
What internship did proko do?
Clearly, you haven't sip a drink of Absinthe. Trust me you will feel it.
What the HELL??!!! Marshall can do BATMAN VOICE??!
38:30 You need to up your chair game Stan.
Ok Stan clearly you aren't a lightweight when it comes to alcohol because I can literally feel it after one sip XD
I don't feel mentally drunk after one sip but my arms and legs get almost immediately heavy and tingly!
Why the hell when i saw marshal face i always wanted to draw
Its a good thing i guess
periform issues* if dont do a two hour workout when i woke up, my art carreer day turns to pain c:
The coffee takes like 20 minutes make effect
Hihi Stan, did you enjoy Breaking dawn from Twilight?
I never got further in the boos after watching the movies when I was a bit younger. But I am wondering if you enjoyed them?
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