@@zoltantoth2801 kia does similar warranties on batteries on eNiro etc. Often it is not usual to see that huge levels of battery degradation, it is just car manufacturers precaution, to be on the safe side if something somehow slipped a bit, so they do not have to replace too many battery modules under warranty. Almost as a standard it is 8years/160k kilometers for 70 (or 80)% capacity left, so it is not that much off anyway.
Desaster is the right word for the new Ioniq. I am very happy with the old one. Longer distances are no problem with it's charging capabilities. And on the highway with 120 km/h @ 20 degrees celsius and dry roads it consumes only about 135 Wh/km (2 adults, 2 children, fully loaded trunk...). So get one of the old one's, it's still beating the newer models.
Thats the point. You can charge nearly 200 km at 120 kmh Highwayspeed in the old Ioniq in the 30 min limit. That is so important for long trips! 30 min. is a critical "point" and the Zoe 52 and more so the Ioniq "downgrade" are charging to long for convinient breaks. My opinion. Still a good choice, even if the 180 km trips from CCS to CCS are a bit to short.
@@reggiebuffat True, but guess how much km you get by charging to 80 % on the new compared to 94 on rhe old. It takes 50 min! I guess its about 200 km or 25 kwh in 30 min. So there is no advantage for the update ioniq, is there? After 30 min both cars can go about 180 to 190 km on Highway at 120. Not good.
Old Ioniq adds range up to 200km in 30min, Ioniq facelift to 200km in 38min but has added features and on average 70km more range than old Ioniq. Zoe adds 10km more range per hour than new ioniq at DC charger. Zoe's advantage over Ioniq (old or new) is at AC charging. Zoe has smaller space but 60km more range on average than new Ioniq, both suited for daily commuters.
Very informative, thank you, Björn! I would love to see a race between old vs new Ioniq. We already know the old one should win, but it would be a very educational video to see by how much.
After just watching the Porsche Taycan charge at 262 kw peak this one charging at 45 kw peak is a joke, i didn't realise how important charging speed really was until now, i would even go as far and say that it's more important than range/efficiency for me !
Very good video. So the old Ioniq still is a competitor for a car like the 52 kwh Zoe etc. The better efficiency makes the 30 min charging time to 94 % of the Ioniq still convinient on long trips. It is unbelievable, but the concept, as a conclusion, of the ioniq, made more sense in den pre-update model than now, 2019. Thats more than sad.
You should race the old 28kWh and the new 38kWh Ioniq. I wouldn’t be surprised if the old 28kWh Ioniq arrives first. Reminds me when they raced 30kWh and 40kWh Leaf in UK and the 30kWh Leaf arrived first.
I have an Ioniq 38kwh and i love it. However Bjorn is so right here. The charging speed is so bad imo, I went from an classic ioniq to this new one and i gained 100km of total range but lost the "fast" charging. The dream would be if the next ioniq model would have another 50-100km of range and maybe the same type of charging as the classic one. that would be great.
The I3 charges from 10 to 90% SoC with 47kW in average! The I3S is also very stable at high motorway speeds. With appr. 40kwh battery the travel goes fast, with short stops! Excellent for a city car!
Not bad for the Zoe, it keeps up the power a long time with the best charging speed despite it’s “only” 50kW DC. A big improvement to the old Zoe and let’s not forget that it’s much cheaper than many other EV’s! Definitely a good buy!!
I dont think it matters that much what is the fast charge speed with Zoe. It is not that comfortable for longer distance. The capacity and range is more usefull.
The amount of charged kWh is not relevant. It would be more interesting how many kilometers you can charge in x minutes. The Ioniq is still the most efficient car. If it is 20% more efficient then 20% less charging speed is no problem (not an exact calculation....).
I think the Zoe is - acceptable. It is a tiny car - not a high-way killer. It still allows a 500-600 km trip without much effort - at which time one probably feel like not driving more that day in such a little car. We are not talking about a pan-continental grand tourer after all. The bigger cousins will come with liquid cooling etc - at extra cost. I guess that a lot of Zoes will never do road-trips in life. As such, there is plenty of room to keep a small car "simpler and cheaper".
Unfortunately Zoe is too expensive these days compared to other little cars entering the market. Renault will have to lower the price in order to keep it competitive. Basically additional battery price is the main problem of Zoe. No matter if you buy or rent it.
i just noticed crazy shieeeeeet! Both cars load SLOWER than the 62 kwh Leaf :-D Leaf holds >40KW untill >75% SOC. Even concidering Rapidgate after 2nd Load the average Loading time for mid - high Distance Range is not worse.
That new Zoe is only slightly faster charging than my Zoe Q90 build 2018, charging with max 43 kW AC input power, but really max 38 kW DC what I can see on the CanZE app. That disappoints me somehow. It is not that big gain in speed, but in price. DC charging is usually way more expensive than AC charging.
But availability of 50 kW CCS will soon be (already is?) better than 43 kW Type 2. It’s because Q-Zoe was basically the only relevant car to use the fast AC charging. Sad, but it’s not always the most convenient standard winning the game.
As a Zoe ZE40 owner I find this interesting. I get 22kw pretty much all of the time and I definitely get 41 kWh net capacity.. I thought Renault were claiming 52 kWh net for the ZE50. What was the average charge rate for the Zoe? Kind be suggests it isn't really worth me upgrading.
Why would the Ioniq start throttling early? There must be some reason why they have changed it over gen 1? Is there any possibility that Hyundai will improve it a little with an update?
Yeah, the IONIQ Facelift is a little slow poke when it comes to a charging session. But it's perfect for people who can charge at home and do this a lot. For long daytrips he can't go as fast as new electric car's, but in the other hand many people with newer car's won't go that fast. I see this often. The average charging Session from many people its 30 to 40 minutes, no matter what car they have. Of course in 30-40 minutes they're get more energy in the car than the IONIQ but the IONIQ don't need that much of energy he is efficient. In 40 minute's my IONIQ Facelift can go from 10-80%. It is okay. With 80% energy you can drive 200 Kilometers and more if you want. We had driven these days to the Nordkap with two Ioniq Facelift models. We started from middle Germany and to the Nordkap, we need 5 days. It was 3000km one way. We never been there, it was our first big electric road trip. So fun and we had no problems with our two Ioniq Facelifts. With in other EV, maybe we had could go faster to our destination, but for what reason? 5 day's, 3000Km it's okay, for a camping Trip. Our average consumption was 12,5 kWh/100km on round Trip. The whole Trip was 6350 kilometer. Best EV, and you can buy it for a got Price.😊
He's wrong on this. Watching the video, the kWhs go up by about 5.2kWh for every 10% increase in charge. Starts at 10%, adds 42kWhs and it goes to 90%. Clearly 100% is 52kWhs. I've no idea why he's saying 100% is 45kWhs. 🤷♂️
Ioniq needs testing on different chargers just to make sure that they all show the same result.... It is terrible throttling thou I thought my leaf was bad
In my view, the awful charging speeds completely defeat the purpose of a larger battery. You want a larger battery to make long distance travel easier. But nobody traveling long distance is likely going to charge beyond 75% since it charges dead slow. Which essentially leaves you with the capacity of an old Ioniq (except for the 100% headstart of 10 kWh). @Bjørn: Race new Ioniq vs. old Ioniq?
@@rzvqvb I know. I have one 😁 Old Ioniq suits me just fine but sometimes I'm falling short and have to fast charge. With new Ioniq I'd have to fast charge less often but it would take longer if I had to.
Ioniq- how available is it? Idiot dealers here were trying to sell for $35K for old version - M3+, please. Ioniq hard to get in and out of if you are tall or have knee problems. Got to respect Renault Zoe for being mass market car and improving it.
Comparing percentages make no sense. You should have compared how long does the Zoe take on recharge 26.6 kWh, wich is the amount of kWh the Ioniq recharge from 10% to 80 % . Thankfully this appears on your video. The Zoe recharge 26.6 kWh in 36 min. while the Ioniq takes 52 min. Another comparative would have been how long it takes in recharging 200 km. for instance... Goooood job anyway Shiiiiiiiiet
Aaron Ojeda yes if you charge it near to full. But Up to 50 % at the IONIQ - which is like approx. 75% with the old one - the Zoe just had 44% which is not really more than Ioniq. 50% new Ioniq = 19 kWh 44% Zoe = 22 kWh And now guess who has more range then ;) in real life! Zoe will do at about 120 km (winter) and 150 km (summer). IONIQ will appr. do the same (summer 12 kWh/100 km). Only above 50% the Zoe „wins“. So if someone is okay with charging 150 km each session i would go for the IONIQ -> comfort, ACC... The Zoe is more flexible but for 52 kWh (which is 35% more than IONIQ has) it is not „fast“. But of course it is a shame what happened the the „compact king of efficiency and fast charging“ ... And lets wait for Teslabjørn to test it in cold conditions ;-)
ZOEs main disadvantage (no DC charging) has been eliminated with the new version. Even with more competition coming up now, it is likely to keep its market share in Europe. The battery leasing model makes it look cheaper on paper than many other cars. And it's sad that IONIQ, which used to be years ahead of ZOE two or three years ago, has now fallen behind. But the "old" 28 kWh IONIQ might still be faster on long distances than the new ZOE...
Zoe list price is still quite high compared to other BEV. Especially when adding the price for the battery. I guess the price will have to drop by 20 % to stay competitive with Zoe. Basically the price without battery should become the price including battery making battery rent obsolete. Renting the battery was a good concept 5 years ago when people were afraid the battery might age too fast. But these days it’s proven that batteries typically have a way longer life than expected. So why not buy it right away?
Hey Bjorn, which Ioniq model is the older one with faster-charging speed? Which Model Year and battery pack? I want to look for one in used car market.
I think, the Ioniq 38 could nevertheless reach a similar time like the new Zoe in a 1000Km challenge. I Think, both cars can beat the Nissan Leaf during a long trip.
Nope, Bjorn has already proven many times that charging speed like the Etron has will always be fast, not only does the Zoe have faster charging but also a bigger battery so double wammy for much faster trips than the Ioniq. Leaf Plus would be both
@@johnchartrand5910 We will perhaps see. You have to consider charging speed in relation to efficiency. Old Ioniq consumes 144wh/km@real 110Km/h accordind to abetterrouteplaner. Old ZE40 needs 210Wh/km@110Km/h. This is roughly 50% more consumption. I don't expect wonders, so the new Zoe could be perhaps 10% more efficient than the old one at high way speeds. So it also needs to charge faster to catch up. I think, it should be close after all. The E-Tron has clearly better charging speed than the model x raven, but it was not fast enough after all because of the huge consumption.
52 kWh doesn't make sense because I was only able to get about 200 km of range at 215-220 Wh/km consumption. Add some losses and it should be around 45 kWh available energy. If it was 52 kWh net capacity, I should be able to travel 250 km which was never possible at 120 km/h.
@@bjornnyland in that case this video also doesn't make sense: iz shows 42,83 kWh added from 10-90%. With let's say 3% losses, 42,83/0,8*0,97= 51,93 kWh??? Maybe Zoe has bad efficiency at high speed?
@@bjornnyland You should test the battery capacity when you have the change. On Fully Charged youtube channels video about the battery capacity they say 52kwh usable. Also in that video they said that yoy can heat the car during charging, which you didn't manage to do. When you tried the charging stopped. Doing something wrong there?
nooooo people buy the new version of ioniq please it is super good!!! ...and sell me your old version ioniq 28kwh :) :) :) i'll happily take care of it :)
Kunne du kanskje gjort en sammenligningsvideo der du går gjennom hvor mye det koster å lade de mest populære bilene på ladestasjoner vs. det å lade hjemme. Veldig nyskjerrig på hvor billig det er i forhold til feks bensin
No, it has got bigger cells with more capacity. But because of space limitation there are less cells packed together in the new Ioniq - this results in a lower voltage and lower charging power. Maybe Hyundai even cancelled the old Ioniq-charger and put in the charger for the Kona 39 for saving costs.
@@PaulMansfield I really would like to see the recuperation power of the new Ionic. The old one is able to generate nearly 88kW recu power, so the charger limits the charging power to 69kW. The new Ionic has a more powerful motor, so it theoretically could also regenerate more power. Would the BMS now set a limit for recu? If not then only the new charger is crap, not the new battery.
The Ioniq is not only a disappointment, it is a disgrace. I very much hope, that this is something that can be solved via software update. Anyway, it is currently no longer an alternative for me.
@@FHB71 No. It's the structure of the battery pack. completely different than the old pack. it's a cutted 64 kWh pack from kona. the result is low voltage and low charging speed. beside some other chemistry. less cobalt. so it is more sensitive to cold temperatures and fast charging generally.
I'd rather see a 2020 ioniq with 28kWh pack and 100-150kW charging than an ioniq with even 64kWh and 40-50kW charching. I can only wonder what they were thinking at hyundai HQ removing the thing that made Ioniq so great.. Edit: props to youtube for displaying an ad for the "new ioniq" next to a video that's basically showing why it's sort of crap ;)
Sorry I can't count, but you basically say "yes" or "yeah" in every sentence at least once. LOL I thought it was a nordic thing because I saw a girl in a video about the Polestar and she did exactly the same. So it's OK you're not alone, LOL. But because of your comment in the video, I'm not that sure anymore. So the question is : does every norwegian say "Yes" when they talk in norwegian. (Of course the norwegian "yes") If not, maybe you can start a therapy group "The Yes sayer addict" because "The Yes sayer anonyme", well... it's too late for you. And don't worry is't gonna be fine. Keep us informed.
@@bjornnyland ok so during your video you asked the question, about this, so I assume you were someone with sense of humor if you were mocking about yourself and I played the game with you. But nope... So I wasn't complaining at all. If I don't like the way you talk it's easy for me to not watch you. I don't need to tell you, it's not like if I was your friend.
Only Bjørn can make watching cars charging feel like a high tension boxing match 👍
You should watch the next charging video between Model X, e-tron, EQC and I-Pace ;)
@@bjornnyland oh yeaaah!!!! 😁
@@bjornnyland nice shiiiiiit!
Shiiiiittttt!!!!
@@zoltantoth2801 kia does similar warranties on batteries on eNiro etc. Often it is not usual to see that huge levels of battery degradation, it is just car manufacturers precaution, to be on the safe side if something somehow slipped a bit, so they do not have to replace too many battery modules under warranty. Almost as a standard it is 8years/160k kilometers for 70 (or 80)% capacity left, so it is not that much off anyway.
ZOE will be a very good deal with CCS now. Long distance will be much easier. Hope you will make a 1000km challenge.
It is so disappointing, 45kw max.... well that video convinced me than I will change my old zoe by a model 3sr+....no more doubt
@@laurentjobart9297 no excuses necessary ;-)
@@laurentjobart9297 If you have the money..
Yeah, 15k€ more but you can use ut as your first car.... I would do 1000km road trip with the new zoe
if specs hold true E-208 and Corsa should be the better choice in this price range, 100kw charging, liquid cooling, heatpump
Desaster is the right word for the new Ioniq. I am very happy with the old one. Longer distances are no problem with it's charging capabilities. And on the highway with 120 km/h @ 20 degrees celsius and dry roads it consumes only about 135 Wh/km (2 adults, 2 children, fully loaded trunk...). So get one of the old one's, it's still beating the newer models.
Thats the point. You can charge nearly 200 km at 120 kmh Highwayspeed in the old Ioniq in the 30 min limit. That is so important for long trips! 30 min. is a critical "point" and the Zoe 52 and more so the Ioniq "downgrade" are charging to long for convinient breaks. My opinion. Still a good choice, even if the 180 km trips from CCS to CCS are a bit to short.
@@reggiebuffat True, but guess how much km you get by charging to 80 % on the new compared to 94 on rhe old. It takes 50 min! I guess its about 200 km or 25 kwh in 30 min. So there is no advantage for the update ioniq, is there? After 30 min both cars can go about 180 to 190 km on Highway at 120. Not good.
My heart weeps for the Ioniq's poor charging rates.
I just bought an old ioniq full optional with 29'000km for 23'000€. I think this is a very good deal and this car even today is one of the best
where do you bought it? here in austria it is still around 30k€ for used ones
@@ChristophLehner In Switzerland EV have very good prices and there are a lot of Hyundai Ioniq for less than 30'000 CHF (27'500 euro)
Old Ioniq adds range up to 200km in 30min, Ioniq facelift to 200km in 38min but has added features and on average 70km more range than old Ioniq. Zoe adds 10km more range per hour than new ioniq at DC charger. Zoe's advantage over Ioniq (old or new) is at AC charging. Zoe has smaller space but 60km more range on average than new Ioniq, both suited for daily commuters.
Peugeot e-208 - with 340 km and 30 minutes to 80% - should cover long distances faster than either of these - e.g. the 1000 km challenge.
Very informative, thank you, Björn!
I would love to see a race between old vs new Ioniq. We already know the old one should win, but it would be a very educational video to see by how much.
I wait corsa/e-208 charging speed video.
1000km challenge please.
Great videos always Bjorn. Fair play to you!!
About an hour is what we spend over a lunch at a service station so 80-85% will do nicely before we set off again. Thanks for the comparison and info.
After just watching the Porsche Taycan charge at 262 kw peak this one charging at 45 kw peak is a joke, i didn't realise how important charging speed really was until now, i would even go as far and say that it's more important than range/efficiency for me !
If your single trip range is equal to your bladder range, then all that matters is availability of chargers and the charging speed.
I wish the Zoe had 100 kW charging like e-208
I would prefer Peugeot 208 over Zoe. But Zoe is probably cheaper.
Just 4 years ago and this already looks like a "black and white" old movie compared to todays speeds 😁
Very good video. So the old Ioniq still is a competitor for a car like the 52 kwh Zoe etc. The better efficiency makes the 30 min charging time to 94 % of the Ioniq still convinient on long trips. It is unbelievable, but the concept, as a conclusion, of the ioniq, made more sense in den pre-update model than now, 2019. Thats more than sad.
0:04 "Grab the popcorn and the drinks and start watching"
Grab enough popcorn because we'll be sitting here a while.
Zoe for the win!
You should race the old 28kWh and the new 38kWh Ioniq. I wouldn’t be surprised if the old 28kWh Ioniq arrives first. Reminds me when they raced 30kWh and 40kWh Leaf in UK and the 30kWh Leaf arrived first.
I have an Ioniq 38kwh and i love it. However Bjorn is so right here. The charging speed is so bad imo, I went from an classic ioniq to this new one and i gained 100km of total range but lost the "fast" charging. The dream would be if the next ioniq model would have another 50-100km of range and maybe the same type of charging as the classic one. that would be great.
The I3 charges from 10 to 90% SoC with 47kW in average! The I3S is also very stable at high motorway speeds. With appr. 40kwh battery the travel goes fast, with short stops! Excellent for a city car!
The i3 is not stable at ALL in high motorway speeds..see Bjørn's earlier videos on this
@@Tsenngu My I3S (not I3) is very stable due to its wider wheels
Not bad for the Zoe, it keeps up the power a long time with the best charging speed despite it’s “only” 50kW DC. A big improvement to the old Zoe and let’s not forget that it’s much cheaper than many other EV’s! Definitely a good buy!!
Thank you, Bjorn!)
I dont think it matters that much what is the fast charge speed with Zoe. It is not that comfortable for longer distance. The capacity and range is more usefull.
The amount of charged kWh is not relevant. It would be more interesting how many kilometers you can charge in x minutes. The Ioniq is still the most efficient car. If it is 20% more efficient then 20% less charging speed is no problem (not an exact calculation....).
*kWh
Bjørn Nyland corrected, thx
Year, thank you for this comparison. ;-)
I think the Zoe is - acceptable. It is a tiny car - not a high-way killer. It still allows a 500-600 km trip without much effort - at which time one probably feel like not driving more that day in such a little car. We are not talking about a pan-continental grand tourer after all. The bigger cousins will come with liquid cooling etc - at extra cost. I guess that a lot of Zoes will never do road-trips in life. As such, there is plenty of room to keep a small car "simpler and cheaper".
Unfortunately Zoe is too expensive these days compared to other little cars entering the market. Renault will have to lower the price in order to keep it competitive. Basically additional battery price is the main problem of Zoe. No matter if you buy or rent it.
i just noticed crazy shieeeeeet! Both cars load SLOWER than the 62 kwh Leaf :-D Leaf holds >40KW untill >75% SOC. Even concidering Rapidgate after 2nd Load the average Loading time for mid - high Distance Range is not worse.
30kWh LEAF charges fastest of all "small electrics", after software upgrade. It stays around 40-49kW untill 85% and still charges with +20kWh at 94%!
That new Zoe is only slightly faster charging than my Zoe Q90 build 2018, charging with max 43 kW AC input power, but really max 38 kW DC what I can see on the CanZE app.
That disappoints me somehow.
It is not that big gain in speed, but in price. DC charging is usually way more expensive than AC charging.
But availability of 50 kW CCS will soon be (already is?) better than 43 kW Type 2. It’s because Q-Zoe was basically the only relevant car to use the fast AC charging. Sad, but it’s not always the most convenient standard winning the game.
thx for this video. This is the dead for the new Ioniq. maby its good for the priceing of the old one.
Yes, if you have an old one, the low charging on the new one is good for your resale value. :D
whats better for battery life, more current or more voltage at the same wattage?
As a Zoe ZE40 owner I find this interesting. I get 22kw pretty much all of the time and I definitely get 41 kWh net capacity.. I thought Renault were claiming 52 kWh net for the ZE50. What was the average charge rate for the Zoe? Kind be suggests it isn't really worth me upgrading.
Why would the Ioniq start throttling early? There must be some reason why they have changed it over gen 1? Is there any possibility that Hyundai will improve it a little with an update?
Besides slow charging, is the battery of new IONIQ bad? I mean, will it deteriorate faster than a battery that charges faster?
Yeah, the IONIQ Facelift is a little slow poke when it comes to a charging session. But it's perfect for people who can charge at home and do this a lot. For long daytrips he can't go as fast as new electric car's, but in the other hand many people with newer car's won't go that fast. I see this often. The average charging Session from many people its 30 to 40 minutes, no matter what car they have.
Of course in 30-40 minutes they're get more energy in the car than the IONIQ but the IONIQ don't need that much of energy he is efficient. In 40 minute's my IONIQ Facelift can go from 10-80%. It is okay. With 80% energy you can drive 200 Kilometers and more if you want.
We had driven these days to the Nordkap with two Ioniq Facelift models.
We started from middle Germany and to the Nordkap, we need 5 days. It was 3000km one way. We never been there, it was our first big electric road trip. So fun and we had no problems with our two Ioniq Facelifts.
With in other EV, maybe we had could go faster to our destination, but for what reason? 5 day's, 3000Km it's okay, for a camping Trip. Our average consumption was 12,5 kWh/100km on round Trip. The whole Trip was 6350 kilometer. Best EV, and you can buy it for a got Price.😊
Would be good to see how the leaf 40 and new ioniq 39 compare 🤔
Leaf will win 🍁😎
Its a must to evacuate the car before a fast charging?
I'm thinking this might be a good competitor to the 40kWh Leaf. How is it on repeated fast charging?
How about Renault Zoe vs Nissan leaf
Thanks Bjorn, it's a good info for this new Zoe. But are you sure that the battery of the Zoe has a useful capacity of 45kWh ?
He's wrong on this. Watching the video, the kWhs go up by about 5.2kWh for every 10% increase in charge.
Starts at 10%, adds 42kWhs and it goes to 90%. Clearly 100% is 52kWhs. I've no idea why he's saying 100% is 45kWhs. 🤷♂️
1000 km Renault Zoe for the win!!!! 😁
Are you gonna upload the video of the i-Pace with the latest update charging on Ionity?
So the R110 41 kWh Zoe should be comparable to the 38 kWh Ioniq?
Ioniq needs testing on different chargers just to make sure that they all show the same result.... It is terrible throttling thou I thought my leaf was bad
The speeds in the Ioniq are terrible. This is proper rapidgate
Let's better call it ionicgate
In my view, the awful charging speeds completely defeat the purpose of a larger battery.
You want a larger battery to make long distance travel easier. But nobody traveling long distance is likely going to charge beyond 75% since it charges dead slow. Which essentially leaves you with the capacity of an old Ioniq (except for the 100% headstart of 10 kWh).
@Bjørn: Race new Ioniq vs. old Ioniq?
@@rzvqvb If you hardly ever need to use fast charging then new Ioniq is better than old one.
@@HenriZwols This is the daily commute case, for which the old Ioniq will just do fine.
@@rzvqvb I know. I have one 😁 Old Ioniq suits me just fine but sometimes I'm falling short and have to fast charge. With new Ioniq I'd have to fast charge less often but it would take longer if I had to.
how much price?
Ioniq- how available is it? Idiot dealers here were trying to sell for $35K for old version - M3+, please. Ioniq hard to get in and out of if you are tall or have knee problems. Got to respect Renault Zoe for being mass market car and improving it.
Comparing percentages make no sense. You should have compared how long does the Zoe take on recharge 26.6 kWh, wich is the amount of kWh the Ioniq recharge from 10% to 80 % . Thankfully this appears on your video. The Zoe recharge 26.6 kWh in 36 min. while the Ioniq takes 52 min.
Another comparative would have been how long it takes in recharging 200 km. for instance...
Goooood job anyway Shiiiiiiiiet
But important is the charging rate km/h - how many km i can drive with my capacity... and IONIQ is far more efficient!
Aaron Ojeda yes if you charge it near to full.
But Up to 50 % at the IONIQ - which is like approx. 75% with the old one - the Zoe just had 44% which is not really more than Ioniq.
50% new Ioniq = 19 kWh
44% Zoe = 22 kWh
And now guess who has more range then ;) in real life! Zoe will do at about 120 km (winter) and 150 km (summer).
IONIQ will appr. do the same (summer 12 kWh/100 km).
Only above 50% the Zoe „wins“.
So if someone is okay with charging 150 km each session i would go for the IONIQ -> comfort, ACC...
The Zoe is more flexible but for 52 kWh (which is 35% more than IONIQ has) it is not „fast“.
But of course it is a shame what happened the the „compact king of efficiency and fast charging“ ...
And lets wait for Teslabjørn to test it in cold conditions ;-)
ZOEs main disadvantage (no DC charging) has been eliminated with the new version. Even with more competition coming up now, it is likely to keep its market share in Europe. The battery leasing model makes it look cheaper on paper than many other cars. And it's sad that IONIQ, which used to be years ahead of ZOE two or three years ago, has now fallen behind. But the "old" 28 kWh IONIQ might still be faster on long distances than the new ZOE...
Zoe list price is still quite high compared to other BEV. Especially when adding the price for the battery. I guess the price will have to drop by 20 % to stay competitive with Zoe. Basically the price without battery should become the price including battery making battery rent obsolete. Renting the battery was a good concept 5 years ago when people were afraid the battery might age too fast. But these days it’s proven that batteries typically have a way longer life than expected. So why not buy it right away?
You didn't mention that the Ioniq has lower energy consumption meaning it charges faster measured in "km/hr".
Hey Bjorn, which Ioniq model is the older one with faster-charging speed? Which Model Year and battery pack? I want to look for one in used car market.
Any model year before 2020. Or any Ioniq EV with the old style fake grille.
Bjørn Nyland said 207kw and meant 207km! Multiple Choice lost? 😂
Bjørn: Make a notice with a star: *207km (Scheiße, ich habe mich vertan!)
yeah
I think, the Ioniq 38 could nevertheless reach a similar time like the new Zoe in a 1000Km challenge. I Think, both cars can beat the Nissan Leaf during a long trip.
Nope, Bjorn has already proven many times that charging speed like the Etron has will always be fast, not only does the Zoe have faster charging but also a bigger battery so double wammy for much faster trips than the Ioniq.
Leaf Plus would be both
@@johnchartrand5910 We will perhaps see. You have to consider charging speed in relation to efficiency. Old Ioniq consumes 144wh/km@real 110Km/h accordind to abetterrouteplaner. Old ZE40 needs 210Wh/km@110Km/h. This is roughly 50% more consumption. I don't expect wonders, so the new Zoe could be perhaps 10% more efficient than the old one at high way speeds. So it also needs to charge faster to catch up. I think, it should be close after all.
The E-Tron has clearly better charging speed than the model x raven, but it was not fast enough after all because of the huge consumption.
@@arthimodo as the Etron proved, it's about average charging speed not efficiency
Some videos what I saw said the zoe actually has 52kwh usable. That's weird.
-52 kWh is usable battery energy.-
45 kW is the max power the battery can take while charging.
52 kWh doesn't make sense because I was only able to get about 200 km of range at 215-220 Wh/km consumption. Add some losses and it should be around 45 kWh available energy. If it was 52 kWh net capacity, I should be able to travel 250 km which was never possible at 120 km/h.
@@bjornnyland my mistake. Thanks Bjørn!
@@bjornnyland in that case this video also doesn't make sense: iz shows 42,83 kWh added from 10-90%. With let's say 3% losses, 42,83/0,8*0,97= 51,93 kWh??? Maybe Zoe has bad efficiency at high speed?
@@bjornnyland You should test the battery capacity when you have the change. On Fully Charged youtube channels video about the battery capacity they say 52kwh usable. Also in that video they said that yoy can heat the car during charging, which you didn't manage to do. When you tried the charging stopped. Doing something wrong there?
nooooo people buy the new version of ioniq please it is super good!!! ...and sell me your old version ioniq 28kwh :) :) :) i'll happily take care of it :)
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42 ist the answer to everything......😁👍
Kunne du kanskje gjort en sammenligningsvideo der du går gjennom hvor mye det koster å lade de mest populære bilene på ladestasjoner vs. det å lade hjemme. Veldig nyskjerrig på hvor billig det er i forhold til feks bensin
Ioniq what have they done to you :(
See Walter's reply
No, it has got bigger cells with more capacity. But because of space limitation there are less cells packed together in the new Ioniq - this results in a lower voltage and lower charging power. Maybe Hyundai even cancelled the old Ioniq-charger and put in the charger for the Kona 39 for saving costs.
@@walsc thanks for the clarification
@@PaulMansfield I really would like to see the recuperation power of the new Ionic. The old one is able to generate nearly 88kW recu power, so the charger limits the charging power to 69kW. The new Ionic has a more powerful motor, so it theoretically could also regenerate more power. Would the BMS now set a limit for recu? If not then only the new charger is crap, not the new battery.
Desaster!
It's incredible how 8 years after the first Tesla Model S, there's still an 8 years gap with the rest of manufacturers.
The Ioniq is not only a disappointment, it is a disgrace. I very much hope, that this is something that can be solved via software update. Anyway, it is currently no longer an alternative for me.
Not possible to solve via software, due to low voltage of battery-pack. It's a hardware thing.
@@DerBlauzahn Obviously it can charge faster at start, the decline is - I assume - software controlled.
@@FHB71 No. It's the structure of the battery pack. completely different than the old pack. it's a cutted 64 kWh pack from kona. the result is low voltage and low charging speed. beside some other chemistry. less cobalt. so it is more sensitive to cold temperatures and fast charging generally.
I'd rather see a 2020 ioniq with 28kWh pack and 100-150kW charging than an ioniq with even 64kWh and 40-50kW charching.
I can only wonder what they were thinking at hyundai HQ removing the thing that made Ioniq so great..
Edit: props to youtube for displaying an ad for the "new ioniq" next to a video that's basically showing why it's sort of crap ;)
Sorry I can't count, but you basically say "yes" or "yeah" in every sentence at least once. LOL I thought it was a nordic thing because I saw a girl in a video about the Polestar and she did exactly the same. So it's OK you're not alone, LOL. But because of your comment in the video, I'm not that sure anymore.
So the question is : does every norwegian say "Yes" when they talk in norwegian. (Of course the norwegian "yes")
If not, maybe you can start a therapy group "The Yes sayer addict" because "The Yes sayer anonyme", well... it's too late for you. And don't worry is't gonna be fine. Keep us informed.
I will start a therapy group for people who always complain about everything on UA-cam. Yeah.
@@bjornnyland ok so during your video you asked the question, about this, so I assume you were someone with sense of humor if you were mocking about yourself and I played the game with you. But nope... So I wasn't complaining at all. If I don't like the way you talk it's easy for me to not watch you. I don't need to tell you, it's not like if I was your friend.
Yeah, Yeah lol
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