What do ya think? I love KeePass but really loving Proton Pass too! What are you all enjoying lately? (If you're typing lastp... please watch the video 🙏)
It's a shame that you dismissed 1Password on the basis of not liking the UX and instead recommending something without having properly compared it with the other options, of which 1Password is definitely a very good one. Realistically this video has little value in that it only compares Proton Pass with an incredibly inferior/basic option you have been using. In other words, it's an advertisement for Proton with little journalistic/critical value.
you were right about ProtonPass in the beginning, it was clitchy and not that great. But Proton responds to tweets super fast and rolled out improvements very fast and it has improved a lot now.
I just switched to bitwarden and for TOTP's I started using 2FAS, I tried proton pass but am not really enjoy there UI they messed up mail aliases and logins basically just a mess
Great video, as usual. Thanks for covering the topic. I keep my keepass database synchronized on multiple devices by using the Google Driver app (on each device). It works flawlessly for me while also giving the ability to choose which devices I want to retain an offline copy of the database file, in case I don't have Internet access at the time of use; and unlocking is easy with my yubikeys or by typing the long pwd if I have keyboard available. I just don't use the browser pluggin on any device (for paranoid reasons). I do prefer to manually seek and copy & paste the pwd I want, making sure to clean up the buffer after authentication (the clipboard memory). However, I recently discovered a similar password manager called SyncThing, offline like KeePass, that offers the ability to share the database between devices via P2P protocol, which in theory is better than rely on Google Drive, in my case. I still struggle to trust online password managers, I feel it is too sensitive to allow any possibility of security failure, any leakage would be enough to compromise everyone as it happened multiple times with LastPass and others. Simply a no/no in my book, since many of these companies can cover up their failures under embargo (and a lot of money) to avoid smear their so precious reputation. Maybe "divide and conquer" could work in your case; keeping your more sensitive/essencial passwords in KeePass and the rest (the non sensitive and aliases) in Proton Pass for what's casual and not critical access, thus not fully commiting to a single tool and not dismissing Proton Pass usefulness.
previously used dashlane free but since it got limited to 25 passwords i switched to proton pass since my email is on proton already, also love how proton & proton pass looks
i have so many problems with bitwarden that im seriously considering to switch to something else. firefox integration is buggy and every other update breaks it, ios app crashes randomly, when you open ios app it presents login detail multiple times so you need to close it like twice... its always something. not to mention that my simple login api key somehow disappears every other week so i need to find it and paste again
@@runQgC You must be doing something very strange. I've been using Bitwarden in Firefox for years and have yet to have a single problem with it. I have a pretty aggressive Arkenfox setup too, and no real issues. But, if it isn't working for you, try something else I guess.
@@runQgC Thats unfortunate. Not sure if thats an iOS thing but I've personally had a great experience with bitwarden. Everything syncs and just works. Dont have to think about it, just use the browser extensions in both Firefox and Chromium. Unsure why youd have issues
The integration of proton pass with simplelogin is what made me switch from bitwarden, still keeping my subscription tho in case I need to switch back.
they are both open source so your comment doesnt make sense. Although Proton has worked now multiple times to work actively handing over users to Police and interpol, they were Activists and not criminals. Thats something Mullvad would never do
@@smallqwarowhat do you mean bitwarden integrates with simplelogin too, just get an API key from simplelogin and add it to the username generator menu
I'm extremely surprised to hear you didn't like 1password. If it's from a open vs closed source point of view, fair enough. But their usability & UI is second to none.
Agree, I've been using 1Password for about a year, and IMO, it's a step, 1/2 step up from Bitwarden. A bit more polished, more refined. I don't mind paying for what I'm getting.
🙂 i use bitwarden on all my windows desktops laptops and android smartphones, seems to sync just fine across everything i have, and for browser its works on my firefox brave opera. Is there a video like this that you cover a program to encrypt decrypt files cause that could be useful to have
What I didn't like about Proton Pass was that their icon in textboxes that indicates autofill was too chunky for my taste. The 1Password icon is leaner and doesn't stand out so much. And it felt like I had to fully commit to the Proton ecosystem to get the most out of Proton Pass, which I didn't want to do.
Proton added a feature to add an extra password to proton pass which means you need an extra password to get access to your passwords. How I see it is that basically makes it a different service if that makes sense.
Using a password manager that isn't independent of a browser, a website, or the cloud is not secure and definitely not anything I would ever consider doing. Depending on others to safeguard basically your entire life (all your passwords to your financial, personal, health, etc.) remotely, is foolish.
For Proton if you're extremely into secruity, you can set up 2 additional passwords to your first. Essentially a second password for your proton account followed by a second password for your pass app as well, which I really like. Additionally, the fact Proton HQ is based in Switzerland is an additional pro for your privacy.
Hi Techlore! Great video! Just a quick question: If I want to switch from Keepass/Bitwarden to Proton Pass, do you happen to know if there is a way I can import my passwords to Proton Pass without manually adding them? Keepass is great, but the frustrations and "lack of" integration is becoming a bit of a pain point with me, and this video made me want to switch to Proton pass (in the near future, at least).
I really like 1password. It autofills data in really well. Can Proton Pass Autofill just as good? Even with Credit Card and User Data such as name, address etc?
My concern is like you express at the end. I like the integrated alias generation but those seem "special" and aren't normal simplelogin aliases. So you would have to migrate off them entirely before you could cancel protonmail.
its hard to fight the old and trusted, while proton have some serious history they never made something like a password manager, so people probably won't use it for a while
Henry, can you do a video on some alternative US cellular carriers OTHER than the big 3 ATT, Verizon, and T-Mobile? I'm so absolutely over ATT and their bullshit data breaches/lack of accountability and desperately need to switch... I found one called Cloaked Wireless that's started by security minded people but was curious to see if you knew of other so I have options. Thank you on behalf of everyone wondering the same thing.
Truth be told: My daughter finds your videos and your presentations incredibly impressive and applicable. Additionally, she is very attracted to you, Henry. Are you available? 😇
The tough part about password managers is not really picking one but explaining to people why they should use something else than paper/txt file/their phones 🤢
No love for Pass? (they probably should use a better name) Sure it's a cli primarily but has a bunch of gui clients for every platform. It's similar to KeePass but the database is a git repo that can be much more easily managed and, since it's primary interface is a cli, can easily be used in scripts/etc
please put disclaimer in bio or pin comment if some videos are promoted or personal choice or opinion 😅 cuz you influence a lot of people about some apps & products .. and if security leaks or data breach or shady behavior from companies you lose credibility & trust
For heaven’s Sake! You really need to hear something like this? You can’t make up your own mind without hearing a disclaimer? Must be a fricking lawyer. Sooooo YAWN
Proton is not a privacy concerned company. Recently they shared user info to law enf agencies. Just because some company is present in Switzerland 🇨🇭 doesn't mean that it is immune to everything. Pls pls don't use proton at all
Why use any password manager? Do like me and make a script that generates passwords and store them in an encrypted file. I start by assuming any alpha numeric password less than 18 characters can be hacked within an hour. So extrapolate from there to make passwords that can last a trillion years. Then manually store the passwords in a file that also has a trillion year password.
Feels like a 10min ad. And I honestly don't like where this channel has been heading for a while now. I think you're a shill. Not even mentioning the affiliation link you named "Kick back" of course. And you seemed to have forgotten that you trade convenience for security and/or control
So your going from open source to proprietary? From offline to trusting a big corporation? Free to paid? Doesn't sound so great to me. I'll stick with my free Bitwarden that does the job I need just fine. You talk about convenience items over keepass and others. Most of your community give up plenty of 'convenience' for privacy and security. It's honestly kind of your whole thing from my experience and this seems like a change to that just to get a sponsor in.
Proton Pass is open source. Similar free plan to Bitwarden too. Not a sponsored video. If you enjoy Bitwarden stick with it! It’s specifically recommended in the video…doesn’t seem like you watched it?
Bitwarden sucks, lastpass even worse. Not saying what I have but it's more secure than your dribbles and plush toys you cuddle up to, oh wait, i meant warden lovers and lastpass "i want to be hacked" lovers...==
Proton Pass is end-to-end encrypted (E2EE). This means that your passwords and other stored data are encrypted on your device before they are sent to Proton’s servers, and only you have the decryption key. As a result, not even Proton can access your passwords or see your data. Proton Pass can generate passwords. It includes a password generator feature that creates strong, random passwords to help you maintain security. You can customize the length and complexity of the generated passwords to suit your needs. Proton Pass includes an email alias feature, which allows you to create and use temporary or unique email addresses for different purposes. This helps protect your primary email address from spam and enhances privacy by masking your real email address. You can manage and generate these aliases directly within Proton Pass, making it easier to control how your email address is used and who can contact you.
@@shaihaanx Proton Pass is integrated only with Proton Services, that are known to be backend-proprietary. Proton Services also include Proton Mail which was noticed in the disclosure of user data, leading to at least an arrest in Italy. Also, regarding Proton Pass itself, even if it has E2EE, the only option to sync is using those proprietary Proton servers. In the end, the whole business model of "all-in-one + privacy" already looks very suspicious. Like the typical honeypot.
I just ran into a weird issue where the Windows version of KePeass can't open the macOS version (KeePassXC) I created because it can't read the private key? Is this a known issue?
What do ya think? I love KeePass but really loving Proton Pass too! What are you all enjoying lately? (If you're typing lastp... please watch the video 🙏)
It's a shame that you dismissed 1Password on the basis of not liking the UX and instead recommending something without having properly compared it with the other options, of which 1Password is definitely a very good one. Realistically this video has little value in that it only compares Proton Pass with an incredibly inferior/basic option you have been using. In other words, it's an advertisement for Proton with little journalistic/critical value.
you were right about ProtonPass in the beginning, it was clitchy and not that great. But Proton responds to tweets super fast and rolled out improvements very fast and it has improved a lot now.
I just switched to bitwarden and for TOTP's I started using 2FAS, I tried proton pass but am not really enjoy there UI they messed up mail aliases and logins basically just a mess
Great video, as usual. Thanks for covering the topic.
I keep my keepass database synchronized on multiple devices by using the Google Driver app (on each device). It works flawlessly for me while also giving the ability to choose which devices I want to retain an offline copy of the database file, in case I don't have Internet access at the time of use; and unlocking is easy with my yubikeys or by typing the long pwd if I have keyboard available. I just don't use the browser pluggin on any device (for paranoid reasons). I do prefer to manually seek and copy & paste the pwd I want, making sure to clean up the buffer after authentication (the clipboard memory).
However, I recently discovered a similar password manager called SyncThing, offline like KeePass, that offers the ability to share the database between devices via P2P protocol, which in theory is better than rely on Google Drive, in my case.
I still struggle to trust online password managers, I feel it is too sensitive to allow any possibility of security failure, any leakage would be enough to compromise everyone as it happened multiple times with LastPass and others. Simply a no/no in my book, since many of these companies can cover up their failures under embargo (and a lot of money) to avoid smear their so precious reputation.
Maybe "divide and conquer" could work in your case; keeping your more sensitive/essencial passwords in KeePass and the rest (the non sensitive and aliases) in Proton Pass for what's casual and not critical access, thus not fully commiting to a single tool and not dismissing Proton Pass usefulness.
previously used dashlane free but since it got limited to 25 passwords i switched to proton pass since my email is on proton already, also love how proton & proton pass looks
Bitwarden all the way. Never seen a password manager that syncs this seamlessly.
went from lastpass (after they pulled their shiet) to Bitwarden.
i have so many problems with bitwarden that im seriously considering to switch to something else. firefox integration is buggy and every other update breaks it, ios app crashes randomly, when you open ios app it presents login detail multiple times so you need to close it like twice... its always something. not to mention that my simple login api key somehow disappears every other week so i need to find it and paste again
@@runQgC You must be doing something very strange. I've been using Bitwarden in Firefox for years and have yet to have a single problem with it. I have a pretty aggressive Arkenfox setup too, and no real issues. But, if it isn't working for you, try something else I guess.
@@runQgC Thats unfortunate. Not sure if thats an iOS thing but I've personally had a great experience with bitwarden. Everything syncs and just works. Dont have to think about it, just use the browser extensions in both Firefox and Chromium. Unsure why youd have issues
100%
Keepass is local, and you can not beat something you have full control of.
If I had more knowledge I would do that, or just self host bitwarden. Sadly I do not, nor do I really have the time to learn.
@@ameritus9041same here tbh
Except if it's local = computer lost/damaged = everything lost
@JamesSmith-mo4yt You can use multiple copies of your encrypted passwords to be synced into many places, including clouds.
just to be clear, by locally. I mean, supposedly, no one can see these encrypted files out of your local devices.
I trust bitwarden more than Proton
Bitwarden is fantastic as well. Compared them to KeePass here actually: ua-cam.com/video/R6b1WasXxBs/v-deo.html
The integration of proton pass with simplelogin is what made me switch from bitwarden, still keeping my subscription tho in case I need to switch back.
Why trusting more if open source
they are both open source so your comment doesnt make sense.
Although Proton has worked now multiple times to work actively handing over users to Police and interpol, they were Activists and not criminals. Thats something Mullvad would never do
@@smallqwarowhat do you mean bitwarden integrates with simplelogin too, just get an API key from simplelogin and add it to the username generator menu
I'm extremely surprised to hear you didn't like 1password. If it's from a open vs closed source point of view, fair enough. But their usability & UI is second to none.
Agree, I've been using 1Password for about a year, and IMO, it's a step, 1/2 step up from Bitwarden. A bit more polished, more refined. I don't mind paying for what I'm getting.
Switched to proton a few months ago, no major complaints, they have some minor things to work on with autofill but overall I like it.
🙂 i use bitwarden on all my windows desktops laptops and android smartphones, seems to sync just fine across everything i have, and for browser its works on my firefox brave opera. Is there a video like this that you cover a program to encrypt decrypt files cause that could be useful to have
What I didn't like about Proton Pass was that their icon in textboxes that indicates autofill was too chunky for my taste. The 1Password icon is leaner and doesn't stand out so much.
And it felt like I had to fully commit to the Proton ecosystem to get the most out of Proton Pass, which I didn't want to do.
What is Proton Pass missing that prevents it from being starred on Techlore's reference page, unlike Keepass and BitWarden?
It should be there, we're working on updating it!
Keepass nothing else for me. I get full control over everything. Period😊
Proton added a feature to add an extra password to proton pass which means you need an extra password to get access to your passwords.
How I see it is that basically makes it a different service if that makes sense.
That just sounds like 1Password's secret key to me.
equivalent to master password re-prompt on bitwarden.
I appreciate that you're always considerate of all pros and cons.
If Proton Pass clients are open source, would it be feasible to reimplement the server and point a modified client to your own hosted instance?
Using a password manager that isn't independent of a browser, a website, or the cloud is not secure and definitely not anything I would ever consider doing. Depending on others to safeguard basically your entire life (all your passwords to your financial, personal, health, etc.) remotely, is foolish.
For Proton if you're extremely into secruity, you can set up 2 additional passwords to your first. Essentially a second password for your proton account followed by a second password for your pass app as well, which I really like. Additionally, the fact Proton HQ is based in Switzerland is an additional pro for your privacy.
You my friend are doing gods work publishing free info on privacy and security. I am a loyal and dedicated subscriber
God has no password.
@@mrcvry true. Anyone can unlock it
I use both Proton Pass for my passwords and Bitwarden for TOTP, never liked the idea of all my eggs in one basket lol.
The email alias system being right there is super handy too
Yubikey!
Hi Techlore! Great video!
Just a quick question: If I want to switch from Keepass/Bitwarden to Proton Pass, do you happen to know if there is a way I can import my passwords to Proton Pass without manually adding them? Keepass is great, but the frustrations and "lack of" integration is becoming a bit of a pain point with me, and this video made me want to switch to Proton pass (in the near future, at least).
Yep, supports import for both KP and BW 👌
@@techlore Great! Thank you for this 🙂
You're right, importing used to be very clunky and frustrating, but they updated and made it easy.
With Proton Pass (free) you can't write additional notes (e.g. security questions). You need a subscription for that.
That is a lie, you can make notes for every login you wish!
I tried proton pass and one day i tried to copy my debit card number. But i was not able to copy or view so i did not try proton pass anymore.
I just started paying for Proton like 3 days ago. I love the email alias feature. I still like keypass though.
KeePass for me is it, however if someone could fork proton pass and gut the online component and allow it to work locally on a KeePass database I'm in
I really like 1password. It autofills data in really well. Can Proton Pass Autofill just as good? Even with Credit Card and User Data such as name, address etc?
My concern is like you express at the end. I like the integrated alias generation but those seem "special" and aren't normal simplelogin aliases. So you would have to migrate off them entirely before you could cancel protonmail.
Once proton brings fingerprint authentication to web extensions and native windows and mac apps, it's gonna be hard to leave it.
What's your opinion on Nord Pass
A sole problem with keepass is the file gets corrupted if you frequently switch between two systems.
(Happened to my with Android file from linux)
As with any important data you control, regular backups are essential.
i use most proton apps it's great for me .. i like proton pass cuz it has 2fa too included in the app 😅
Bitwarden or keepass would be my choice always
its hard to fight the old and trusted, while proton have some serious history they never made something like a password manager, so people probably won't use it for a while
How about Kaspersky Password Manager?
installled proton pass since day1
i will use their vpn and email other stuff but i think i will stick to local keepass client with my passwords full control all the way
6:57 now proton pass can setup extra password specifically for logging into Proton Pass
Good information. Im also using keepas. And probably will maintain using both too.
Never broke from LastPass because I couldn't get BitWarden to work as well.
A reservation about an advanced capability i.e. email aliases is goofy since no one makes you use it.
Prefer a local password manager over a cloud password manager for security
Henry, can you do a video on some alternative US cellular carriers OTHER than the big 3 ATT, Verizon, and T-Mobile? I'm so absolutely over ATT and their bullshit data breaches/lack of accountability and desperately need to switch... I found one called Cloaked Wireless that's started by security minded people but was curious to see if you knew of other so I have options. Thank you on behalf of everyone wondering the same thing.
Hello. I use the same. It is very good!
It's already hard enough to understand you, why put back round noise in as well?
Here's me thinking of switching to unix pass.
the best PWM is the one that people will use. great video
wish protonpass had ssh key management
Truth be told: My daughter finds your videos and your presentations incredibly impressive and applicable. Additionally, she is very attracted to you, Henry. Are you available? 😇
All the "last pass is bad" examples flashed on the screen too fast to read the point that was trying to be made
looks like i'm far from the only bitwarden lover here
Proton dosnt even allow hardware 2FA only mode. Bitwarden all the way.
The tough part about password managers is not really picking one but explaining to people why they should use something else than paper/txt file/their phones 🤢
*There is some eco in your video. Thanks for the info
Hard room to record in!
@@techlore great video and great website, I really like the recommendations section
Metal Layer XPR
Bitwarden all the way!
Proton Pass 🎉
No love for Pass? (they probably should use a better name)
Sure it's a cli primarily but has a bunch of gui clients for every platform. It's similar to KeePass but the database is a git repo that can be much more easily managed and, since it's primary interface is a cli, can easily be used in scripts/etc
Dude, it's not the 60s, you know that, right?
You offer privacy coaching but never responded. Whats up!
Fallen behind on most of the requests, apologies! Trying to catch up on things.
showing tuta footage for proton pass 🙃
Bitwarden & Kepass : He cheated on us! Ass..
I use keeper..... tear me apart, why is that wrong? 😂
I've hosted my own Bitwarden server for several years.
Bitwarden for sure. Proven track record. If it ain't broke, don't break it!!!
Bitwarden is best😊
please put disclaimer in bio or pin comment if some videos are promoted or personal choice or opinion 😅
cuz you influence a lot of people about some apps & products .. and if security leaks or data breach or shady behavior from companies you lose credibility & trust
Personal choice, I always say when something is sponsored or a partnership directly in the video.
For heaven’s Sake! You really need to hear something like this? You can’t make up your own mind without hearing a disclaimer? Must be a fricking lawyer. Sooooo YAWN
yay -S pass
i do love 1password but i prob will move to proton
What's wrong with Dashlane?
Bad practices. They make it very difficult to get out of their ecosystem and they're not transparent.
i dumped them a few years ago.
Why use Dashlane when there are better and cheaper options?
Proton
😮
They really need Hardware key integration now, they have it with Mail.
does he still go full googled and full proprietary now because he thinks he's famous or something?
seek therapy. But like, medieval Catholic therapy.
Proton is not a privacy concerned company.
Recently they shared user info to law enf agencies.
Just because some company is present in Switzerland 🇨🇭 doesn't mean that it is immune to everything.
Pls pls don't use proton at all
Why use any password manager? Do like me and make a script that generates passwords and store them in an encrypted file. I start by assuming any alpha numeric password less than 18 characters can be hacked within an hour. So extrapolate from there to make passwords that can last a trillion years. Then manually store the passwords in a file that also has a trillion year password.
Yes of course. Everybody is a genius like you 😂
Feels like a 10min ad. And I honestly don't like where this channel has been heading for a while now. I think you're a shill. Not even mentioning the affiliation link you named "Kick back" of course.
And you seemed to have forgotten that you trade convenience for security and/or control
First time watcher of this guy. I think you’re way too suspicious
I'd rather pay bitwarden since it's their primary business.
Nah, Seems dodgy that a 'private email' and 'free VPN' offer a password manager... I would never trust them! Is this video sponsored?
So your going from open source to proprietary? From offline to trusting a big corporation? Free to paid? Doesn't sound so great to me. I'll stick with my free Bitwarden that does the job I need just fine. You talk about convenience items over keepass and others. Most of your community give up plenty of 'convenience' for privacy and security. It's honestly kind of your whole thing from my experience and this seems like a change to that just to get a sponsor in.
Proton Pass is open source. Similar free plan to Bitwarden too. Not a sponsored video. If you enjoy Bitwarden stick with it! It’s specifically recommended in the video…doesn’t seem like you watched it?
@@techlorehe didn't say this video was sponsored, did you really read his comment ?
I quote "Video to get a sponsor in"
Bitwarden sucks, lastpass even worse. Not saying what I have but it's more secure than your dribbles and plush toys you cuddle up to, oh wait, i meant warden lovers and lastpass "i want to be hacked" lovers...==
nothing wrong with firefox. you never bring it up
This is a video on dedicated password managers. We do a lot of Firefox coverage in other content, search up hardening guides for example :)
@@techlore firefox has a password manager dude. you always skip it.
using Proton Pass = using Google Password Manager
Using your brain = 💩
@@shaihaanx bro increase your iq, pls
Proton Pass is end-to-end encrypted (E2EE). This means that your passwords and other stored data are encrypted on your device before they are sent to Proton’s servers, and only you have the decryption key. As a result, not even Proton can access your passwords or see your data.
Proton Pass can generate passwords. It includes a password generator feature that creates strong, random passwords to help you maintain security. You can customize the length and complexity of the generated passwords to suit your needs.
Proton Pass includes an email alias feature, which allows you to create and use temporary or unique email addresses for different purposes. This helps protect your primary email address from spam and enhances privacy by masking your real email address. You can manage and generate these aliases directly within Proton Pass, making it easier to control how your email address is used and who can contact you.
@@shaihaanx Proton Pass is integrated only with Proton Services, that are known to be backend-proprietary. Proton Services also include Proton Mail which was noticed in the disclosure of user data, leading to at least an arrest in Italy.
Also, regarding Proton Pass itself, even if it has E2EE, the only option to sync is using those proprietary Proton servers.
In the end, the whole business model of "all-in-one + privacy" already looks very suspicious. Like the typical honeypot.
I just ran into a weird issue where the Windows version of KePeass can't open the macOS version (KeePassXC) I created because it can't read the private key? Is this a known issue?
I never encountered this, but I’d ask their team!
Bitwarden on top.
KeepassXC
KeypassXC ftw!
Bitwarden. Period.