Should You Use Proton Pass Password Manager?
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- The main key feature offered by Proton Pass is a game-changer...but there are also three features that are missing in this new password manager. So who is this security product for?
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Video Timestamps
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0:00 - Introduction to Proton Pass
0:24 - Key Features of Proton Pass
3:58 - Missing Features for Proton Pass
7:02 - Summary Review for Proton Pass
8:05 - Who Should Use Proton Pass?
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Proton Pass is the latest security software from Proton, the same company that created ProtonVPN, Proton Mail, Proton Calendar and Proton Drive. But how does it stack up against competition like 1Password or Bitwarden? Here are Josh's thoughts after using Proton Pass.
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I've been playing with Pass for a while now. I'm running into some issues with the mobile app where it doesn't seem to want to pop up even though I have it set as default. I have it plugged in to my Brave browser and seems to work fine there. I primarily use Chrome and still using their password manager. If it's down to Google PW manager VS Proton, what would you recommend? Google PW manager works pretty good for me, but I still worry about security. I use Proton Mail and calendar for business related stuff and really like the security aspect.
brave browser already has passkey integrated its pretty neat
why are simple login and proton pass two separate downloads? Thought they are the same thing?
Josh,
I enjoyed all your videos on Proton products. I signed up for Proton Pass Plus recently but I am not comfortable with all the features yet and therefore I have not deleted my Bitwarden Premium account. Will keeping both password managers compromise my security?
What would you thoughts be on Proton now in the 12+ months that's its been out? I'm ditching lastpass and looking between proton and nord. Would appreciate your thoughts on the current state of both of these
Update: proton pass now supports credit cards, and they say they’re working on other types of information like bank accounts and addresses.
Just switched to proton pass after being a lastpass user since 2008 or so. The features are a lot better, as is the security (hopefully). Overall I’m pleased. For such a new product it’s really good, and I know they’re working to make it better. The aliases are an absolute game changer. I don’t have to worry about a random website spamming me or selling my email to advertisers because I can just shut down the alias.
Thanks for the update. Did the import of the info from lastpass to proton pass go easily for you? Any quirks to look out for in the migration? Cheers.
@@shutthegate8232importing from lastpass was very easy. The only issues were items that are not yet supported in proton such as addresses. I think what it did was just call them generic notes. Not a big deal. Importing the password entries was flawless from what I remember.
Thanks for this info. I'm currently still on LastPass but the sub ends next month, and I am debating Proton vs 1Pass, but leaning towards Proton. You help sway for Proton.
@@shutthegate8232yes pretty easy. Csv import
Your transparency is refreshing. Your personal requirements mirror mine. I needed this to round out my research. The requirements for a "Family" password manager are a lot more than a discount on multiple licenses. These days we are looking for an information manager that has not only external security, but also internal security more typical of a network operating system where information can be organized by area, where you can control sharing by area or item, where you can store many different types of information, and where it is efficient to use on each type of end point. We'd rather pay than get it for free and being the product ourselves. Our privacy is valuable that we are willing to pay for but it also needs to be practical. Since I've gained the most from your reviews, I will use one of the links on your most recent 1Password videos to give it a try.
"I'll keep the description of this video updated if they make any of these changes" ... I guess you're running a little behind.
yep, it supportts passkeys now
4:30 Happy to see now there's Shared Vaults, Desktop App, Autofill CC
I guess it's growing really rapidly! love Proton's products for sure!
6:20 Also passkeys!
@@jrzeric Yep! seems like it covered all the boxes :)
You answered all of my questions. I love your videos! Thoughtfully laid out, thorough and appropriately convincing.
Maybe I'll switch from keeper..... it's cheaper......
Thanks for the kind words 🙏
Short answer: yes on all counts.
Also they do have a desktop app on PC & Mac now as well as support for safari.
I'm still very open to paying for Proton(been using Mail and VPN for a few years) but I'm happy with Bitwarden as my password manager right now. In the future, I do plan to self-host Bitwarden, but it would be nice to have one service for as many things as I can. This was a very insightful and clear video.
Thanks! I'm glad to know it was helpful.
Thanks Josh for the great educational informations you provide!!
I have watched many videos on your channel and what I can say is that the choice to ecosystem is not easy!
I would have like to start my security journey with Proton, but I am a Safari/Mac user living in Canada… :-(
Many of the solutions you recommend are not available here… a shame!
Great review! As a current 1Password user, this was just what I was looking for. Once Proton adds shared vaults, credit card and identity storage and auto-fill capabilities I'll instantly make the switch.
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Thanks Josh. The internet is a more secure place thanks to your info videos !
Thanks for the well balanced review. I have been using Proton Calendar from the beta version and it is now as good as a Google or Samsung calendar ; adding Proton Pass allows for more integration with the other Proton services. Finally I personally would not store my credit card info on any platform or app or service. I will add Proton pass and reassess the situation later.
Glad it was helpful!
I started recently to replace Alphabet's products with Proton ones. The cloud is kDrive, which is also very privacy respectful and supports open source. And for the password manager I opted for Bitwarden, which works great in many use cases. Now I am undecided whether to give Proton Pass a try: as for Alphabet, I don't like having all my eggs in one basket.
Very cool 😎
I love Proton products and happy to see passwords as part of their package.
Same here!
I don't like the idea of having same login credentials for proton pass, proton email, proton calendar,. I woulld like to have a different one for Proton password manager, a unique one for obvious reasons
Great explanation, as someone who uses Proton Mail, 1Password & iCloud Hide my Email I thought this might be perfect for me but the lack of auto fill credit information means it’s not quite there for me yet, hopefully that come soon!
Apparently that’s now been rectified!
Important Note- Make sure you are using the account and do not let it sit in idle for roo long and dont forget your password.
I was not able to get help to access an account years ago because of those two factors. It may have changed.
Thanks for your help! ❤
Thanks! You helped me answer my question on whether I need to switch from 1password to proton pass.
Glad I could help, Rob! 👍🏻
Now its possible to store credit cards.
Proton Pass helps you safely store your login credentials, notes, credit card information, and more.
Thanks for the update!
I’ve created a proton mail account so far to try out, before I move on to the rest. One question, what is the AppKey it offers, is it similar to the new passkeys that are coming out? Thanks.
One thing I feel is missing in things like 1p and bitwarden is the ability to autofill login for other desktop applications like discord, Steam ect. I started using bitwarden as my first password manager and I love it, but that's my one gripe with it as well as having to go to the top right to autofill a login.
Yea, I don’t see how a program could solve that problem. I don’t want any one program to have access to other programs to auto fill.
Bitwarden has a shortcut for autofilling its Ctrl + Shift + L on windows
1password user here, also was considering switching to proton pass, but the lack of being able to sort things into categories and tags makes it a deal breaker for me
Used Keeper for many years, without the browser extension - privacy concerns - does the Proton ext share any data? Very happy subscriber ❤
I don't know how to BitWarden very well, so I might just jump in on this! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
So thorough! Great to see they support Passkeys now. I would like address autofill for sure
Thank you for this video. I have seen a few videos on Proton Pass but none mentioned the email alias feature. I am in the process of updating the accounts that use a central email address and I always had problems with simple login. Now I can use Proton to create a new email and save the login to 1PW which I still use most😢because if it's ability to recover accounts easily as I am a global traveler.
I'm glad the review was helpful!
Hi Josh. I like your informative and sometimes instructional videos about security apps, services etc. I was wondering if you have any plans on doing a follow up video about Proton Pass and the improvements (or non-improvements) Proton has implemented for Proton Pass?
Thanks
Is there a way to use a more secure master password than a 6-digit number to secure the browser extension?
I've been using Proton services for a few years now and I've been really happy with it.
In the past I've used Last Pass and Dashlane, and found them both to be ok, but the plugins are hit and miss with my desktop browser of choice (Brave) and on mobile (Android), they can be a little frustrating too.
I also have a Synology NAS which I use for a lot of services. While I don't host my own Password Manager on my NAS (though it is possible), I do use the free Synology C2 Password Manager and it's been excellent - no complaints at all.
However Proton Pass looks super compelling so I may give it a try.
Thanks for sharing your setup! 👍🏻
My password manager of choice is Bitwarden. I have a paid subscription, and I like the service. I back up all of my entries using a KeepassXC client, and copy the kdbx file to 2 cloud services, 2 computers, my phone, and my Android tablet. I don't know if I need to explore yet another password manager at this time.
Ha! Probably not.
@AllThingsSecured
How do you reply on an E-Mail to an Aliases?
I mean, where are the E-Mails are catched? Do you need a Proton-Mail or you can chose that your e-mails are going to another e-Mail?
What do you think about pCloud Pass?
Wait..if we create a fake alias email, where can we access that if someone sends an email to us ?
if I change from my free proton mail to proton pass and I don't like it can I return to my regular proton mail
Great review, thank you. Think I'll give ProtonPass a try. You're a very talented communicator!
Thanks, Steven!
I have been using Proton Mail for 10 years, at first free and since 2018 as paid subscription. I live their products, the security, the layouts. That new Proton Pass seems an interesting option... as you say, maybe biometric security and family options would be great to have.
Agreed. Glad you liked the review!
I am a Proton unlimited subscriber and was also paying for 1password. Now that Proton is offering a password manager, I dont see why I should be paying a extra 5$/month for 1password anymore. Already moved from 1password to Proton Pass an for now I am very satisfied with the product. It does what it is supposed to do: Manage passwords.
Exactly. Glad to hear it’s working well for you!
Are you having any issues with the Pass mobile app? I'm tinkering with it and even when I set it as the default on mobile, it doesn't always pop up
@@stanhyatt4843 I dont use the mobile app as my phone is too old and I can't install it on. I only use the browser plug-in and so far it's going well. Not as polished as 1Password, but it does the trick.
Great video. Thanks.
I currently use both Keeper and Ironvest (formerly Blur). I also have Proton premium and use Simplelogin. It’s getting complicated! I would love to simplify my security strategy. Is the migration from Keeper to Proton a secure process? Also, I use Brave on my iPad. Will the browser extension for Proton Pass work on my iOS devices? Thanks again.
Yes, it works well on iOS. And no, no password migration is secure, no matter which services we’re talking about. Anytime you export your password vault, it is extremely insecure and vulnerable. I suggest you make the switch and then be sure to permanently delete the exported vault file.
I think that there is value in using Proton Pass as a secondary or backup service. For instance, I once locked myself out of my 1Password account. Since I had a copy of that on my phone, I was able to just create a new 1Password account, move everything over to it, and keep moving forward. Also, using the alias as a secondary for me is a possibility. Having more than one domain for the alias helps keep my identity more private. For instance, if someone were to recognize my primary aliasing domain, having that secondary one helps to hide my identity.
Thanks for the input here. Interesting how you use it, Timothy 👍🏻
Dashlane user here. Once Proton Pass implements most or all Dashlane provides, I would consider switching.
I use the paid suite of Proton products, and BitWarden for a Pass/TOTP keeper. My reservation to using Pass is that I keep my loggin for Proton with BitWarden. I would still need need an additional Auth Manager, or Pass web extension to access my Proton account details (silly me if I forget the Pin to access the Pass web extension). There are recovery codes, but where to store those securely.
Yea, sometimes it's good to separate out some of your security products.
I believe you could secure your Proton account with Yubikey
It just launched and it has lots of great features out of the box, in the future they will add more features and get even better 😀
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How is it compared to bitwarden premium?
The best thing about Proton is that they are constantly improve/upgrade and listen to the community
Agreed!
pretty cool & valuable content Josh! Thanks a lot
Glad you liked it!
What if proton was run by security services? They claim emails are E2E when they go in plain text to other ISPs. It is only Encryption in transit from client to server for protonmail customers.
What are your thoughts regarding pCloud Pass?
Still using bitwarden about to test proton pass. I have proton unlimited for i think $6 not sure how it happen, but I am not going to question it.
Josh, I would like to see you avaliating Kaspersky Antivirus and Kaspersky Password Manager.
I just adopted Proton Pass. There is a credit card feature with mine, but it may be due to having a Business Plan with Proton Mail.
Awesome! Yes, they've added credit card since I published the video, which is awesome.
Excellent review. I was on the fence about Proton Pass, and I'm still on the fence, but better informed. The one thing I will say is that for the services which you described, Proton Pass is cheaper than most of the other paid password services.
Thanks for the kind words! Glad it was helpful.
I have been using a combination of last pass, edge browser and bit warden for sometime and my password storage is quite fragmented. I made the shift to proton pass free account and consolidated all passwords since they have unlimited devices and unlimited passwords. Liked the email alias but I already use Duck Duck Go which has unlimited emails with tracker removal feature which Proton lacks since they are not a privacy company. Would love to see the family vault feature in future. Some other features which I would love too see are - password strength indicator like edge browser, duplicate password removal, password changer, password history. Would upgrade to paid version if I get these features.
Good ideas.
Apple does the same thing with Hide my email and its free and i get the unlimited aliases unless im missing something with what proton does?
What about none apple people and people who only use tablets and others work universal as window linux can your apple do this to none apple people?
So speaking of password managers, what your take on using 2 different password-managers at the same time??
Please I watch your videos and are subscribed to your channel and sent family and friends your way!!
So anyways could you answer or hurry and do a video on that?? Thanks!!
I have a laptop, but barely use it as I'm mainly on my mobile
Will it import my SimpleLogin addresses? I can’t figure out how. I can create new alias addresses but not reach the old ones.
Good question. I’m not sure and I didn’t try.
If your alias is compromised on a site that stores CC info don't you have to go into the site and remove your CC info? Or are you only aliasing for sites you don't trust?
You can alias for any site you want. And yes, removing the alias doesn't remove the CC info, so you might want to consider masking your CC info using a virtual card from Privacy.com or IronVest.
But how to migrate to it. I already use bitwarden alot with many passwords.
Very easy to Migrate. Just export out of Bitwarden and then they have a specific place to import a Bitwarden file.
Interesting. How do you think Proton Pass compares with pcloud Pass, considering pCloud has most of these features apart from the alias feature. Would like to know your thoughts on this one.
I wish I could give you my thoughts, but I've never used pCloud before. As I said in this review, the alias feature is the key feature of Proton Pass, so if that's something that's really attractive to you, it might be worth checking out. But if you're fine with what pCloud offers, stay with them.
I am not sure how to start
I’ve made the same opinions at this moment with proton pass. I was curious what are your thoughts on Apple keychain?
Thanks. Keychain works, but I prefer to distribute my trust outside the Apple ecosystem when possible.
Why are simple login and proton pass two separate downloads? Thought they are the same thing?
They’re still separate, but Proton Pass has integrated the technology from SimpleLogin.
Thank you for doing this video. I am a long time user of 1Password and love it but Proton Pass doesn't look too bad. I have the same concerns as you but attachments are important to you. Proton Pass does not allow attachments ( you can attach a document to a vault) but 1Password does, even Bitwarden ...... hope they allow attachments soon or else I am not switching.
Hmm, interesting. I wonder if they’d eventually integrate it as part of their encrypted Proton Drive.
Excellent and very helpful. 😃
Glad it was helpful!
Anyone else having problems with Proton Pass? I've been trying to use it for a while now. Proton has already acknowledged to me that there are issues with the mobile app. Also with the browser extension. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Anyone?
Yes. proton pass does not work well with chrome
Which free password manager do you recommend within these 4 (Bitwarden, Dashlane, Nordpass or Protonpass) Thanks.
I went from bitwarden premium to free tier and switched to proton pass. Nothing against bitwarden, proton pass comes with my subscription. Didn't see the need to pay $10 USD for bitwarden. Comes down to personal preference and which ui you like. Test them all out and see which you like best.
And what happens if you eliminate the alias, do you still have access to your account or not? How do you log into account?
You can still log into that account, but they won’t be able to send you emails or recovery messages to that email anymore.
Thanks for explaining
You're welcome
Good Video Bro, thanks!
Right now I don't need shared vault. I need a password manager to work with e-mail aliases and I want product tiers to be compatible with each other.
Then Proton Pass is probably great for you!
Great review. I think for newbies this might be the most easy to use and definitely the best looking password manager.
Have you ever looked at the HeyLogin password manager? I would be curious what you think of that one.
Honestly never heard of it before. Who makes it?
@@AllThingsSecured the company is also called HeyLogin, based in Germany. Stumbled upon this app by chance couple weeks ago. Seem to be more focused on b2b users, but for personal use it's free. Bit of a different concept than other password managers. But I think not a bad choice for beginners. Only focused on the easy login experience though.....so no credit card information and things like that. You should check it out.
They dont have Norad pass manger import some other providers need to be added which they have not seid when will happen.
They may not have all of the logos for the hundreds of available password managers, but I'm pretty sure they can still import their exported vault file.
Hi, Josh. With proton pass. With the 10 free alias. Once you use them and delete them. Will you have 10 more free alias?
That’s a good question that I never got to test because I have Proton Unlimited. Might be worth asking on Twitter?
Das Video ist jetzt 7 Monate alt. Die Hälfte der gewünschten Features wurde bereits umgesetzt. Hut ab
Thank you for this content, as a beginner it was really helpful since I'm moving my first steps into the cyber security world!
With the $1 option we can create infinite aliases, but my question is -> can this aliases directly send an email into one folder of my personal account (while hiding it)?
If you have multiple emails with Proton it seems that you can direct to a specific email, and then use rules and folders to send email directly there. That just a guess.
@@AllThingsSecured Thank you for your reply!
I have been using ProtonMail for years and am very happy with it.
However, after recently having no choice but to navigate through the mire of corporate password managers, even for personal use, I will only use password mangers that are *ISO 27001* and *SOC2* compliant. Trust me, that eliminates a lot of the competition among password managers. Does the Proton password manager meet my two compliance requirements? Searching for “ISO” and “SOC” on Proton’s support page, did not produce any relevant results.
Hmmm...I honestly don't know. I think that would have to be something that Proton answers themselves. I'm curious - what makes you so laser focused on those two compliance criteria?
@@AllThingsSecured - Good question. Using a password manager, that is neither ISO 27001 or SOC2 compliant, in a corporate environment, is almost guaranteed to be a contributing factor in failing a security audit. 99% of security audits required for compliance, typically require ISO 27001 and/or SOC2 compliance. That is just for corporate use… merchants, financial institutions, etc…. So taking the time, effort and expense to install a non compliant password manager, will more than likely result in having to do the work all over again with a compliant password manager. That is not too much of an issue… until it comes to performing the work on a remote computer owned by a remote employee. Then there is user training.
Hospitals are an entirely different story. HIPAA for example. HIPAA is federally required by hospitals, medical facilities, etc… *Keeper* is HIPAA compliant.
Being in IT for too many decades, and working for Fortune 500 companies and the federal government, I have seen too many password problems. Many people, even people with PhD’s, seem to have occasional password problems.
Could you please recommend some ISO or SOC? Thanks
Hi long time ago i saw one of your video that detects android trackers and is not in playyatore i have been scratching my head for that app name but it still not coming can yiu olease name it
Certo Software
@AllThingsSecured no not this it is like not available in playstore was had ui like a wondershare app
ssh key storage is a big deal too to some folks, and 1password is the only one I know of that does that.
Interesting. Thanks for the insights.
Great video, again
You really should re-do this video. I have proton pass and it has all of those features now.
Good point. I probably will in 2024.
Thank you - Good To know
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Would be great to have a complete UX review of all of them
I feel like UX can be so subjective though. Hard to be unbiased with that.
How is the alias integration on mobile?
Great question! You have to create the alias from within the Proton Pass app. It can’t be done via auto fill. Does that make sense?
I am trying Proton Pass and its a mess. You cannot import passwords from different sources, it deletes/overwrites the old ones. When creating a new password for a google account it did not at least suggest to update the old one, let alone automatically update it. Login in Aliexpress and it says that cannot find logins when I have. The Android APP is the worst experience. Literally only works to copy paste paste, the "Get it from Proton Pass" never works.
I will stick to KeePass, thanks.
thank you josh.
My pleasure!
should I use Brave's password manager?
You can, but I prefer to separate my browser and password manager.
I beg to differ on the UI/UX of Proton Pass. Still needs a lot of work at least in the browser extension. For example, when creating a new vault, after the vault is created, you have to click on the name field - it isn't selected - what else are you going to do after creating it. Worse, when importing into a newly created vault, the new vault prompts you to import, but then you have to once again select that vault when doing the import or the import goes into the Personal vault. You can't delete the Personal vault - what does "Personal" mean anyway? I have vaults for specific categories - e.g. Medical. There is nothing that I would put in a default (aka Personal) vault - I would like to delete it. You can't multi-select entries. Which means if you want to delete a bunch of entries, you have to go one-by-one. As far as I'm concerned, the product was not ready for release from a UI/UX perspective.
Sharing coming this October
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Thanks~
Have you made a video on Proton Sentinel? I’m curious about what extra steps it would require to “prove” my identity.
You might find this article we published helpful: www.allthingssecured.com/reviews/security/proton-sentinel/
@@AllThingsSecured thank you, but could you please define exactly what the inconvenience might be?
you cant send from alias if you ever needed support + i already made accounts so my email is already known by other websites
Using SimpleLogin (also part of Proton), you can send using your alias.
No good for me if no card details can be stored and shared folders.
Yea, I understand that.
I hear news about 1 password manager is gonna to use passkey for the vault very soon this year.
They already store Passkeys. So does Dashlane.
What are your opion about LastPass?
Don’t use it.
@@AllThingsSecuredUnexpected answer. What´s the reason for that advise?
@@RolfDahlbergdata breaches
Im not over 18 but when i get a job i would definitely get proton unlimited
You can now save credit card information.
If you have a proton pass subscription, yes you can. For proton pass: free, the ability is not available
So I’ve seen!
S.S.E. Secret Space Encryptor is imo the best pw manager.
Never heard of it.
Because having a needlessly giant microphone in the frame loosk soooo modern!
Thanks for the feedback.
This is a great development atleast
Most definitely. I’m not opposed to good competition to drive better features across the board.
I can’t understand you ask for an desktop app. Web browsers are much reliable than apps in my opinion.
I didn’t ask for it. I simply said that if you’re used to having one, you might miss it.
I'd consider a desktop app, but I'll never trust browser-based PMs. I've actually been considering moving away from Proton services for a while now because of their focus on web apps.
I understand that a browser extension can see and change everything in my system. Is that correct? If so, why would anyone consider a browser extension of any kind?
Fair enough. Find what you’re comfortable with and stick with it.
You still using 1 Password?