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In the early 1930s a consortium of America's wealthiest men conspires to overthrow President Roosevelt and institute a fascist state. This is the story of how they almost succeeded.
Original Air Date: February 4, 2021
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every confederate statue left in the country should be torn down and replaced with a statue of Smedley Butler
And John Brown and Robert Smalls ... Plenty of scrap means plenty of statues.
Every Marine has heard the name Smedley Butler. They learn:
1: That he is one of only two Marines to be awarded two medals of honor
2: He was a Major General
3: He was called "Old Gimlet Eye" by someone really, I'm sure
That's it. Goodness gracious, I wonder why the United States Marine Corps would leave out the good part? It's so out of character for them.
Because to them, it's not the good part
Crayons weren't as affordable back in Smedley's day, and the modern Corps knows how its members feel about missing a meal.
(Kidding - one of my best friends is a Marine who served back in the nineties and aughts whose service confirmed his anti-imperialist views - he's twice my age, and I admire so many of his life-tested views. He talks about Smedley being a Marine specifically because Smedley ended up socialist and anti-imperialism/anti-fascist.)
I personally learned "the good parts" about Smedley Butler from a different UA-cam video a couple of years ago (Mikeburnfire "campfire stories" where Mike and Zack drop a bunch of quotes. Mike, a Marine vet, does mention exactly what you did, and goes on to mention a bit more of the bit from "War Is A Racket".)
In a bit of irony, I *did* learn about "The Business Plot" in my US History class in high school in the late 90s. I say irony because of three things: a) Butler and French were attributed with exposing it, but not much else about them besides "war veteran" and "reporter" b) words like allegedly were doing a lot of heavy lifting, and even though this is from a textbook I had about a quarter century ago, the only named company that I can remember with any real specificity was DuPont, and vauge hints about Ford... our history teacher had to specifically mention guys like the Singer heir, because he wasn't named... and c) there was a newsworthy - as in televised news - thing around that time where there were conservative groups "concerned" about the bad things the US has done in general and the right-wing being negatively portrayed more specifically in history, and basically, wanted "better representation" in textbooks.
I say it was irony both because it wasn't a focus on veering away of the awful historical takes, but more of not teaching kids about so many of them. And that third one was kinda funny in that a thing like "the business plot" was kinda this also-ran thing in between WWI and WWII. And also, because there's a lot more "What? This was a thing??" Because it is being taught less or glossed over more or outright dismissed as rumor than history. Just like those people criticizing the history books back then wanted to happen.
He's very good at integral and differential calculus
Because for a lot of them, anti-fascism isn't the good part!
i'm surprised the line 'things went upside down for mussolini' went under the radar. that shit is funny
When Matteo Salvini, head of the racist scum that is the Lega, visited Milan a few years ago, many of the citizens hung bedsheets from their balconies expressing their unhappiness on behalf of the historically anti fascist city of Milan. My favourite (alongside “Piazzale Loreto -> that way” and “+ gattini - Salvini”) was a bedsheet that simply said, in gigantic letters, WELCOME. Hung upside down.
Who needs subversion when you can have inversion?
@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-YourselfMussolini and petacci were hung upside down from metal girders
I went into this story expecting it to be about a bastard, but I came out of it with huge respect for a guy named Smedly.
My favorite fact is the full chest tattoo in 1898. Obviously a man of little doubts.
The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.
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When I was going through MCMAP instructor training I had to give a presentation on Smedly Butler. The Marine corps doesn’t teach that part of his life unfortunately, or at least I never heard that part of the story 15 years ago. It’s a shame because this dude is my spirit animal lol. Love the show!
It is awesome how Jonah Goldberg wrote the book "Liberal Fascism" while there's a well preserved evidence of conservative support for fascism throughout history.
Dudes, great program. I'll probably end up listening to every single episode. I was captivated by this story. Even in California where we still are educated in high school about some of the damning aspects of wealth inequality and capitalism, and the merits of the FDR era, I had never heard of this story. I would consider this an essential story on comprehending US imperialism, war, and the close ties of wealth and facism.
California: Home of the greatest academic society of the world.
@@Reddotzebra Yes, but unironically.
The Business Plot was in my AP US History textbook, though it was only briefly mentioned.
Why aren't more parents choosing the name Smedly?
Because they don't want their kids to grow up to be supervillains sidekicks.
@@BrianDgreat123😂 to be fair though, heroes have sidekicks and villains have henchmen
@@BrianDgreat123idk, I'd rather have the sidekick/henchman who changes and recognizes the systemic rot than an ally who conducted purity tests and claims perfection in their activism
@@sempressfi Relax, I was just joking about how the name sounds like a movie villain, not ripping on the guy. Dont get your tampon in a bunch.
The public deserves to know.
Some of our school children have seen more combat than some of our veterans
Whenever I listen to one of these, there always comes a point where I hear in my head Shirley Bassey singing _It's all just a little bit of history repeating._
_I've seen it before, ... and I'll see it again ..._
One of the few times when great man theory isnt totally off base.
Petition for Robert to include the 1930s dandy voice in every episode
Smedley Butler is basically "Big Boss" from metal gear solid
"Oh-ho-ho, good"
You know it's gonna be bad when Robert gets that excited XD
I thought the exact same thing.
Smedly Butler sounds like a venture bros character. Ask doc hammer if he inspired Sgt Hatred’s neck to groin tattoo.
If this is the case, there would be A LOT of ink used for Smedley's equivalent of Sgt Hatred's "D"
Funny enough - Amsterdam is about this. As much as people hated on the movie, I quite enjoyed it and found it interesting that it covered this subject (albeit sufficiently fictionalized, which I'm not sure how I feel about). Bringing eyes to this is good in my book.
hA! i was just going to mention this. interesting movie, not too far from the truth. cheers!
@@bakern00 I came to the comments to mention how this all sounds familiar from Amsterdam. I'll have to finish to see if they mention it in the podcast.
I also enjoyed Amsterdam,and did not realize it was so reviled.
amsterdam was fine, stylistically beautiful, just not quite there in execution
Aw crap I completely forgot about that flick!
I had to Google Butler after watching. Funny how he is largely forgotten while the Bush family became a dynasty.
This is the hammer on the coffin for confirmation that capitalism must be destroyed
I really dig the banter you and props get up to together. This crime series is awesome. Thank you team bastard!
Well, looks like I'll be taking a deep dive into Bambu!! ✊🏽
They had to do the thing... _stealthily_
Where has this podcast been all my life?
I love the fact that his response to being asked to lead an army of men to install an oligarchy was "I'll lead your crowd of men, but if you look for even a second like you want to rule, I will raise a bigger crowd of men to kill the few men you have left, after I leave to do it."
That he took the lesson of "these guys can pay money to achieve power, and I'll use my power to stop them" from someone showing off their wealth indicates that he isn't a bastard. He's a glorious bastard, no matter what else he did wrong.
I will inevitably misremember Smedley’s name as "smegma"
If think this is wild I am 90% sure that Federalist Society is just the modern version of the Business Plot and they are effective
Damn...I want a Butler movie.
It is amazing listening to this episode after seeing the David O. Russell film Amsterdam, because this is just the plot to Amsterdam.
But really the gold standard is stupid and held back humanity
Made the great depression a whole lot worse
Money in general is fake and stupid and is still holding back humanity.
I don't even know how to feel. I just mainlined the most insane story. god bless.
Oops all monsters.
Elements of this plot found their way into James Elroy's LA Trilogy. Updated for the 50s and characters like Dudley Smith a composite of various unsavory types.
This would make a good movie.
They'd include the first half of his life where he was a lawnmower for brown people and then militarising the Philly police (which they'd present as good) and then have a text card at the end saying when he died and his military awards.
This story should be written as a hip-hop musical.
I spent an afternoon some months ago listening to Rachel Maddow's podcast
ULTRA, which covered the plot to keep the United States from entering the conflict in Europe.
I was riveted. At times it sounded like a Hitchcock movie with it's spies and saboteurs, only the intrique was all too real : a true fascist plot. The takeaway is that we must always be vigilant, we were lucky with Smedley, but the next time who will be there for us?
Goebbels last sentence on his quote on lies is the most important : Repeat the lie often enough that You Yourself will belive it.
Kinda messed up that the US right-wing is back on Mussolini apologias.
I'm sure they missed doing it, it's like the southern strategy conversation, they couldn't say it anymore because it would hurt them at the polls, they never stopped being those ppl, they just realized it wasn't popular enough to say the quiet part out loud anymore and now they believe it is.
hey, it could be the Italian right wing, which is just literally back on Mussolini.
@@youmukonpaku3168 The thing about fascists is they just recycle the same shit
@@elgatto3133They have a simple motivation, a simple plan, and are very consistent.
I don’t know when this episode originally aired, but I understand you guys got lucky for the second time with Gen. Mark Miller during the last days of the Trump… presidency.
almost huh?..... lol
1:10:37 "Is there any figure in America now that could do that? I don't know, only the imaginary ones."
Reminded me of the thing a Iranian cleric Shahab Moradi said after the US assassinated their Maj. Gen. Soleimani: "who should we consider to take out in the context of America [as proportional revenge]? Think about it. Are we supposed to take out Spider-Man and SpongeBob? They don't have any heroes."
amazing story. Lets hope bellingcat can kick out the CIA influence likewise.
Is this what the film Amsterdam was based on?
Yep
You know wuh I'm sayin?
You know what? I am not often surprised in a good way by old-timey American public opinion, but I would not have expected "Italy did a colonialism in Africa and it was real shitty" to have changed a lot of white people's minds. I knew people used to be big into Mussolini (and Hitler) before the war, and I knew that changed, but I always figured it was basically the war that changed things, or at least fascist actions in Europe.
(Obviously lots of individual old-timey Americans surprise me in a good way. That's pretty common! Lots of Americans were good, in the past as today.)
I think it was more like Italy ws the first of the European powers to revert back to war as a way to solve it's problems, and people in the 20s and 30s were still extremely traumatized by The Great War and expected the global powers to like, talk shit out and not go to war anymore.
For all his flaws, Emperor Haile Selassie was incredibly popular internationally, and did a tonne to raise awareness and gain public sympathy during his time in exile.
The white horse thing is kinda cringe
Yes. That is the most important takeaway from this story.
bros a one piece character
Digital breadcrumbs y'all ♥️🌈👽🤖🥰👻
I would not classify the Boxer Rebellion as a colonial action. All of the other ones are but not that one.
Smedly fought in the boxer rebellion? I didn’t know that. I mean it depends for the Americans it wasn’t. Our stated policy was open door. But the rest of the world was trying to carve up China and impose its influence.
Smedly fought in the boxer rebellion? I didn’t know that. I mean it depends for the Americans it wasn’t. Our stated policy was open door. But the rest of the world was trying to carve up China and impose its influence.
Smedly fought in the boxer rebellion? I didn’t know that. I mean it depends for the Americans it wasn’t. Our stated policy was open door. But the rest of the world was trying to carve up China and impose its influence.
Smedly fought in the boxer rebellion? I didn’t know that. I mean it depends for the Americans it wasn’t. Our stated policy was open door. But the rest of the world was trying to carve up China and impose its influence.
Smedly fought in the boxer rebellion? I didn’t know that. I mean it depends for the Americans it wasn’t. Our stated policy was open door. But the rest of the world was trying to carve up China and impose its influence.
These people never actually even attempted to do any of these things. There is no evidence of any such plot actually existing, outside of Butler’s claim.
Found the Nazi.
One of like 5 good historical white dudes
Tiberius Gracchus
John Brown
Magnus Hirschfeld
Raoul Wallenberg
Smedley Butler
This was a really good episode but holy hell the guest guy almost never actually says anything interesting he just restates what he was just told yeesh
He's a background singer.
He's there to react.
"I didn't like your friend, he didn't do the same stuff you do" that's how you sound talking to this total stranger
It was really distracting.
dunno i liked his break down of butler having the good sense to not let them know he was on to their bullshit his whole podcast is about breaking down political actions through urban parlance such as "hood antennae"