Biker vs Landowner #2
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- A civil altercation with a landowner at Little Shurdington near Cheltenham.
This road has been signed on the ground as a bridleway for a number of years despite being marked as an unclassified road (ORPA) on the various OS maps that I have access to, along with the rights of way map on the Gloucestershire County Council website.
A conversation on 08.10.13 with KP from Gloucestershire County Council's rights of way department confirmed that:
1. The right of way is incorrectly signed as a bridleway.
2. The right of way is a mixture of class 5 & 6 highway.
KP explained that class 5 highway is maintained to a basic standard for use by wheeled vehicles, and could be found at either end of the right of way.
Class 6 highway compromises the middle section of the right of way and crosses open farmland on a semi-defined track. KP explained that this was usually maintained to pedestrian standards, unmettled (unpaved) and is usually 'unsuitable for wheeled vehicles'.
This particular stretch of class 6 highway is too narrow for anything other than pedestrian, horse, cycle and motorcycle. It connects Little Shurdington to Cold Slad.
The landowner had blocked our path and we were both ready to turn back when an unexpected change of heart allowed us to proceed.
How do you think I handled the confrontation? Please be respectful to the landowner (you're welcome to speak your mind towards me!).
NGR: SO924168.
Road numbers: 51128 and 60119.
Gloucestershire CC RoW map:
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you're like the landowner whisperer
Brenda Quinch You need more thumbs up!
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Now that made me proper laugh out loud! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💪💪💪. Great comment.
Nice touch with the note too. BZ fella.
That kids, is how you handle difficult situations.
This people is what we call "civilized".
Great way to handle a negative confrontation. This could have easily escalated into something much worse but you were polite and in the end it paid off. So many times being kind and courteous gets you so much further than the alternative.
Well done that man,she only had a pair of kings and you had pocket aces with charm🤩
Was she in the wrong then!?. If so, she shouldn't be telling you to tell others there is no through route and you've got a one time pass!?
It's not unheard of for locals to change signs themselves to put things how they want them..💁♂️
This video has restored my faith in humanity a little!! Good Bless for being kind and respectful to the elderly! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for your kind words.
Its nice to see someone handle conflict like. She was raged at first. Well done on diffusing the situation!
Wow someone sounds pessimistic!
Diffused the situation!!! Lmao. The situation wouldn't have existed if the prick wasn't on the land in the first place. Her concern was one of worrying fouls and live stock and as you know, coming from an agricultural background, can be an offence all on its own. He was wrong to go onto the land once it was made clear that there were livestock wondering freely. And at the beginning!!! Such arrogance, personally I'd have buried you mate.
Driverguy999
You'll never have the chance to. How does it feel to be powerless?
Driverguy999
It's a road, he's allowed to ride there, she just thinks she is the gatekeeper. She shouldn't be allowed to let her livestock run freely near a public road, who cares for an animal when a human life could be at risk. I'd go out of my way to constantly use that road now, just to fuck her off.
Powerless lmao. Sorry but that shit doesn't wind me up. However I live in hope that you meet someone who is capable of putting your arrogance in it's proper place. Pity it can't be me but hey it's not a perfect world. Ask the farmer!
Rarely does one come out of these types of situations with both parties smiling. Nicely and inteliigently handled!
You are truly my damn hero, how you manage to turn someone as enraged and hell-bent on having their way into someone laughing and shaking hands with you via your choice of words is nothing short of poetic. If everyone was like yourself, I'm sure none of this byway shit would even need to be in place!
He caught her in a lie.
You guys did that the right way. Respect gets you all kinds of access.
First I thought she was being genuine. Eventually I realised she was trying it on. You were calm but stood your ground and tried to show her she was wrong. Well done. Land owners must realise that when they buy land that straddles a right of way, people are going to want to traverse it.
What a wonderful way to manage a potentially difficult situation. I admire the courtesy that you showed to the lady, and the hand written card was lovely to see. Well done.
I'm getting sick of these landowners who are always trying to block off public access by using their own property as a barrier to public land - they put up gates - de-activate public roads payed for by tax payers, and place signs no trespassing signs in places that are in fact open to public - good for you for standing up to this sort of crap it's getting worse and these types of landowners need a wake up call.
fernieboy100 Same thing happens in the States. Two tracks that are public slowly start popping up gates from land owners.
You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. Beautifully handled. You make us all look good.
Good job on staying cool and being polite the whole time! That was awesome too see :)
Nicest people I have EVER seen in a youtube video. Very proud of the riders for being so respectful.
the power of persuasion and politeness
There is something really lovely about us English people sometimes.
you are excellent at de-escelating and communicating. wish there were more like you. keep it up.
Kill em with kindness!! Wish more people were like this guy, the world would be a better place. Way to keep your cool and represent that there are respectful bikers out there.
Fair play to you for the polite way you dealt with this, always nice to come to a good mutual understanding, good stuff.
you are a shiny example of what all motorcyclists should act like. especially the adventuring type
"IT'S A BRIDLEWAY"
"It's not a Bridleway" *Shows Map Proving it isn't a Bridleway*
"IT'S A BRIDLEWAY"
_Every kind of argument ever_
Well done on the handling the Lady.
may be it is about time the local Council, went & stuck a ORPA sign on that gate, this would then stop her trying it on.
you will find she probably put the other signs on herself to justify turning people away
A role model indeed. If you are 100% confident in the lane you are driving, stay calm, you will generally come out of the confrontation on top. If you need to turn back do so , but be exhaustive in your reasoning first. Well done sir.
Handled like a gentleman good skills!!!
Very well handled. In most cases like this now days people would just fly off the handle, ignore the lady and cause bad rep for riders. You done well to keep in control
Smashing way to speak with this lady.
Having ridden solo and with the TRF years ago, I can agree that speaking with landowners at every opportunity almost always clears the air about right of access for 2 wheeled vehicles on clearly indicated byways (some folk - trf riders included - forget that horse-drawn carts sometimes only have 2 wheels as well!) Stay safe and ride safe.
This guy is a spot on image of a proper motorbike rider not all these people thinking that just because they are on a bike they are ten foot tall and bullet proof. He deserves a congratulation on how calm he acts with this lady and from his other videos he presents this politeness in every way.
Handled brilliantly. Makes a change from a lot of stuff you see on youtube! Great job fellas.
Good to see a civilised outcome here. I hope she enjoyed a cup of tea after starring on this UA-cam clip.
I've watched your content for quite a bit recently, I've learned how to handle a difficult conversation - thankyou
Oh my good lord these need to go viral. Or mainstream in some way just as a lesson to people about how to deal with a situation.
I'm going through these videos now and am in awe.
Well done to you. Very polite and handled so well. The card was a very nice gesture too. Enjoy your green landing chaps.
Absolutely love this video and have shared it to my Facebook page. You’re absolutely right about a bunch of idiots ruining life for us country folk but like you show, we can’t tar everyone on a crosser with the same brush. You are a gentleman sir.
Thank you for your kind words.
I walked the Imber path around Salisbury Plain a few years back and the signs didn't match the GPS, so I knocked on someones door and asked. Apparently some farmers don't like you using public paths on THEIR land, so they rearrange the signs!! Well handled!
Made me shed tears!
Just kidding. But I did like how that all ended. You were raised properly, Jim.
bronxborn70 Thanks :)
You handle these situations perfectly. you make them calm, and then prov to them you are right.
"No motors have come through here" where did those tire tracks come from??
When they laughed at the end it made me smile
Very well handled mate, you just earned yourself a new subscriber!
respect to you sir for respecting others and doing your homework first
What a great ending! You're a very good person, thanks for being a good example out in the world.
the "bad" side of trail riding was why i left the TRF in the 80's........but this was handled brilliant!!!
Very nice touch sending a thank you letter.
Lovely feedback on the TRF fbook page well done keep them coming we need people aware of what we are up against cheers
I love the way everyone praises her for being so amicable when in fact her actions are disgraceful!!
She has absolutely no right to deny access to the public right of way
You did a great job handling the situation, signed card is a nice touch:)
Good on you, brother! Wish we had these kind of laws here in the State, especially your Right to Roam laws. Either way, you doing proper by riders with your attitude and politeness.
Thank you for your kind words.
WiltshireByways Thank you for your kind actions! I don't even live in the UK, but goodwill and kindness is worldwide. As hippie-dippie as that sounds, lol.
Very well handled, I will learn from this as I didn't do as well in a similar situation, I did get a bit funny at a van refusing to move from a byway entrance up by sailsbury, sat in it might I add
this guy...much respect for u sir!
Kinda funny, in Belgium we have what is called a "servitude weg" which basically means it can be private property but the owner is required by law to keep it open as a road to the public.
You try putting up a gate or blocking passage... you get fined big time and if you keep it up you might lose ownership on the road itself...
'Weg' is the Old English word for 'Way' - we have a glorious, common history.
@@WiltshireByways that just blew my mind! very cool :)
Killing with kindness... Had similar situation where police stopped us entering a legal right of way because the landowner (a woman) threatened to shoot any motorcycles that used it. My suggestion that the police should be dealing with the person issuing the threats should be dealt with was ignored by the police.
Well done guys, you handled this amazingly! Great respect!
well done Mr biker for not just going through but by takeing time to talk...
bro you have some serious people skills! I take my helmet of to you mate!
That earned a subscriber. :) What a way to handle a difficult situation.
If you choose to live near an airport... expect to see planes!
Quite!
And if you live in a nice quiet farm in the middle of nowhere expect someone tearing it through your feilds full of livestock on a dirt bike??
Since when have farms been quiet places? I guess you don't spend much time on them! NB - there were no livestock and the road through the land is public.
WiltshireByways well you’d guess wrong, the tranquility of a farm depends entirely on how it’s running.
I could have sworn she said there was livestock but hey ho,
Not trying to pick a fight cause having watched a few of your videos you’re clearly not doing anything to rile people up on purpose.. however surely you have to be able to see it from her point of view?
She’s lived there for 50 years, a public right of way is fine but there’s a massive difference between someone walking that route and someone using it on a dirt bike
The point in trying to make is this is in no way comparable to living near an airport and not expecting planes, I’d suggest it’s almost the polar opposite. That’s all
I work on farms - what on earth would I know? The road (not a right of way) was there in 1883 when OS surveyed it for their 1884 25" map, so has been in use well beyond the lifetime of any living person. Whilst the lady did say that the livestock were present in the fields, the subsequent video (also on this channel) confirms that no animals were present.
Well played. Decent people coming to a compromise. Good on you all, landowner included. If only more people were so inclined.
Good guy Biker! :D really like to see someone that polite talking out problems in stead of making problems! :D like a guy earlier commented "10/10"!! ;D
Handled brilliantly mate.
What a great way to handle any confrontation. Well done!
Thank you. I've chatted with the lady and her husband a few times since recording the video and they're fine with me now, though always appear if they hear my motorcycle.
Well done all round on settling things amicably. I have sympathy for both sides here.
Your a superstar! We need humans in general to be more like you . I need to take lessons at the very least.
That my friend is how you diffuse a confrontation.....I dof my cap sir
Nicely handled. Had to do the same with a very irate farmer a while back with @ExeterRider when Calimoto marked a farm track as a track, track. Won't be trusting that again!
Expertly handled. If only more people could deal with confrontation so calmly and politely. The gushingly thankful card was a bit much though -- I'd have written one to the authorities complaining about the incorrect signing. :-)
beautifully handled mate,if there were more bikers like you we wouldnt get a bad wrap
Thanks chap, we're on the same side.
Exactly right mate.
Braden Morrish You seem like a real Nob head mate.
Even though my comment wasn't towards you, anyone complaining about dirtbikers being too noisy is a pussy in my book
Props to the landowner who admitted her mistake and let you through. It's tough to be wrong :D
Yes, she's a good person with valid concerns. I've since chatted with her husband having used the road and found that we have a fair bit in common.
4:32 this was when you could tell for sure that she didn't know what she was talking about
Well done, Sir! You are an example to us all :-)
Your knowledge and research is impressive. Your manners and basic decency are exemplary. Perhaps this, clearly distressed woman, really cannot cope with her property being on a public road. I feel for her but she needs to accept that the world does not revolve around her and that other people have rights as well. He doesn't need her permission to go about his lawful business. I can understand that no-one wants to encourage high powered enduro machines screaming through as if there is a race on - the vast majority of trail riders I encounter when walking the old byways are super considerate and as quiet as practicable - they also do a good job of keeping roads maintained.
Thank you for your kind, reasoned words across several videos. The very best of wishes to you!
Well done on staying so cool. Unfortunately we do have motorcyclists riding reckless that do tar us all with the same brush. And as a result we have residents on routes at the end of their tethers at times. Remaining calm and cool and polite, and proceeding. Well done.
Thank you, though the issue here was the resident (falsely) claiming that no public road existed.
Textbook. Well done, I wish more people could handle conflict like this.
A byway in the United Kingdom is a track, often rural, which is too minor to be called a road. These routes are often unsurfaced, typically having the appearance of 'green lanes'. Despite this, it is legal (but may not be physically possible) to drive any type of vehicle along certain byways, the same as any ordinary tarmac road.
In 2000 the legal term 'restricted byway' was introduced to cover rights of way along which it is legal to travel by any mode (including on foot, bicycle, horse-drawn carriage etc.) but excluding 'mechanically propelled vehicles'.
On 2 May 2006 the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 reclassified all remaining Roads Used as Public Paths as restricted byways. The public's rights along a restricted byway are to travel:[1]
on foot
on horseback or leading a horse
by vehicle other than mechanically propelled vehicles (thus permitting e.g. bicycles, horse-drawn carriages, to travel along restricted byways), except in certain circumstances.
I have top respect for you, you dealt with the situation perfectly
I think you are being generous. The "misinformed" landowner was happy it seemed to be and stay misinformed. If it was little effort on your part to confirm the status of the way then it would have been just as simple for the landowner but it seems not in her best interests for 50 years. Personally I would have accepted her position to reduce confrontation, not taken her offer of access to make sure her blockade of the right of way was the result of the exchange then via registered post contacted her with a copy the documentation confirming the right of access and that you would be taking advantage of that access in the future. The video footage is all to the good in these situations.
+terrortorn We were just about to turn around when she had her change of heart, which - in retrospect - change my perception of her position. I think it inconceivable that she doesn't know it to be a road.
nice touch with the card at the end i like it :)
I worked in the country side and know what type your up against fellas, well done for sticking to your guns !
all of these people commenting saying that we would have shot you yes in your country but we are not in your country were in uk before you comment do some research and bike users are they really commiting an offence does it hurt anyone because they like a nice ride in the country just like people like to ride there horses in the country there is a minority that will go through there tear the grass up but to be honest grass grows back not to be a arsehole but its not like there destroying her crop they even had the politeness too still talk to her in a polite manor when she knew she was in the wrong because why didnt she take his plate or go get her beloved maps too prove she was right he did so yes you can have a go at the bikers but they had there proof and if she didnt believe them then she should of got the maps out and proved them wrong because how can you prove facts in an arguement with no evidence and top blokes these are
What a lovely letter, you are a genuinely nice bloke!
Beautifully handle , just like I do treat people with respect and always be calm and polite, and their less likely to complain next time...
Impressively handled
Why do people with horses think the countryside is exclusively for them - and that their half ton of horse does no damage yet a lightweight motorbike is going to rip the ground up ?
High stress situation... Managed like a pro!
What a great thread, sums up so much about so many things. Wonder if its signed correctly now.
That's a true man. 🙏🏻
so brilliant how the British and you deal with these things all the american bike videos end in violence or running off away from the cops
Most British things don’t end like this. Granted not likely to end in severe violence but in U.K. there’s a lot of what you call Karen’s. Many don’t back down even when one is polite and it’s all too common to have people acting aggressively in manner
well done you handled that perfectly. maximum respect
Perfect. Not many (including me) could have stayed so calm. Text book stuff.
Cheers John. I didn't push them on the sign because I didn't want it to become a contentious issue. Being impassable by car or carriage means it's only really us trail riders who might be confused by the signing. I think everyone else concerned knows full well that it carries vehicular rights.
Maybe someone in Gloucestershire could help?
What a bloke :)
Wonderfully handled. Unfortunately the landowner has now locked the field gate and covered it in barbed wire, preventing use of the route even as a bridleway. This was to my chagrin yesterday as I cycled down from Cold Slad; walkers are signed down the stream bed alongside the field behind barbed wire, but that is utterly impassable to horses, bicycles and trail bikes. Alternative routes are thoroughly and securely fenced now.
Thanks for letting me know Simon. Is the locked gate at the Slad or Shurdington end?
The Shurdington end of the field - bottom of the hill. It’s the next gate you come to after the gate in this video.
Is the equestrian gate locked, or just the field gate?
I wish I’d taken a photo now to show you - there’s only a wide field gate which is securely locked, so far as I could find. There was no adjacent equestrian gate.
@@Jobbo73 Thanks - I'll pass this on to Gloucestershire TRF and report online.
Gentlemen I applaud you both.
You make me proud to be English :D
Thank you - In all my years I have never before heard such a compliment!
WIltshireByways in America this all would have ended differently. pretty sure the lady would've had a broken nose and the riders would've crashed the gate and continued on
Yes, but riders here are dicks
***** or she would have pulled a shotgun. Who knows.
a stupid genius she's English too I expect
Politeness goes a long way , no screaming, shouting or foul language , no Jeremy Kyle show , just sorted in an adult fashion
You sir, are a very wise cookie!
Well done diplomacy at its best
Handled that Great mate, Fair play to you!
well done , you handled a difficult situation brilliantly, Have GCC changed their signs on this route after admitting their mistake?
Not when I last used the road, some nine months ago. There are other unmade roads within the county that are signed as bridleways and footpaths, though thankfully they're not.
You give bikers a good name