👍So refreshing to listen to two intelligent professionals with differing opinions have an informative & respectful conversation! Thank you ALL for everything you do…. This community is so helpful & DOES make a difference💖
It would be nice to have a round table discussion with Dr. Ted Naiman, Dr. Benjamin Bikman, Dr. Robert Cywes, Dr. Ron Rosedale, Dr. Paul Saladino, Dr. Donald Layman, Dr. Stuart Phillips, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon and Dr. Goldkamp. Each of them have a unique perspective on protein.
Excellent discussion ... Obesity is not a "Dirty Word", the AMA, and USDA have failed to recognize it as a Fat Accumulation Disorder. We have become "Carb Centric", which is absolutely Non-essential, and sadly it starts before birth. Hyperinsulinemia is the result of a BAD diet a.k.a. the SAD. This is easily changed by the Patient.
If the patient is aware of his ability. Many feel totally hopeless and many others feel if them follow the food pyramid then everything should be alright.
I don't remember when I first stumbled upon to the Protein Controversy... probably 2015... and I'm NOW learning the backstory for the first time. I finally get it.
Pertaining to this whole debate about whether protein is significantly gluconeogenic, I find that meals that have a higher protein relative to fat tend to provide much longer satiety than ones that are higher in fat than protein. So while protein may induce gluconeogenesis, because higher protein meals provide longer periods of satiety, won't they facilitate an easier time doing more prolonged fasting between meals? If the time between meals is lengthened, because of the satiating effect of protein, doesn't that mean more time where insulin is lower? Hence, doesn't this extended time of low serum insulin levels offset the glucneogenic effect of increased protein consumption?
It must be a total individual thing about whether protein or fat are more satiating. For me it's definitely the fat. If I ear a pound of mostly belly fat with salt at about 10 am, I can go all day without feeling the need to eat. Often times I eat a bite more by 5 pm, simply because I have not eaten enough yet. All I need is water or herbal tea. The only problem with eating primarily fat is that it give me very lose stool although a small amount.
Hmm... then why must I as a T1Diabetic have to bolus for the protein that I eat? And, this is animal protein. My blood glucose levels do rise, but more slowly than any carbs, no matter what kind. Thx!
Dr. Cywes (who I love by the way) is still confused about fat and protein in 2022. But he may be starting to realize the importance of protein as a nutrient. And no I'm not a doctor I'm an electrician. Most of us are not type 1 diabetics. And blood sugar simply going up doesn't tell me much of anything. People need a lot of protein to maintain muscle. A lot more than was previously thought. And it sucks as an energy source. Doesn't it? He's not talking about the average low carber. Oh, that's what Goldkamp said. No, you drink and then you get depressed. You have that first joint and then you get anxious. It's the chemical dependency. It's the same with that first donut. The carb addiction doc is right.
If I understand your comment, you believe that Dr Cywes likes to talk. I would suggest that he has a busy mind sorting out all of the details of what will explain the point that he wants to make. Being prone to this tendency, I have recognized that I must have a short form ready. In thinking what needs to be explained I do not want to miss a detail that might help the understanding of the subject.
I love Dr Cywes and his long winded ness. I get something new every time I hear him.
Courtney Rasnick true! 😊
That's spot on, but I don't care. He gives good advice and cuts the b.s. And he still has a South African accent, which I love to listen to.
My man Rob Cywes. You just don’t know how much you mean to me. You are part of my healing. I even listen your videos on my sleep as if it’s a lullaby.
👍So refreshing to listen to two intelligent professionals with differing opinions have an informative & respectful conversation! Thank you ALL for everything you do…. This community is so helpful & DOES make a difference💖
Really enjoyed this back and forth-respectfully done. Well done guys.
It would be nice to have a round table discussion with Dr. Ted Naiman, Dr. Benjamin Bikman, Dr. Robert Cywes, Dr. Ron Rosedale, Dr. Paul Saladino, Dr. Donald Layman, Dr. Stuart Phillips, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon and Dr. Goldkamp. Each of them have a unique perspective on protein.
Dr. Paul Mason and Dr. Jamnadas as well.
Excellent discussion ... Obesity is not a "Dirty Word", the AMA, and USDA have failed to recognize it as a Fat Accumulation Disorder. We have become "Carb Centric", which is absolutely Non-essential, and sadly it starts before birth.
Hyperinsulinemia is the result of a BAD diet a.k.a. the SAD.
This is easily changed by the Patient.
If the patient is aware of his ability. Many feel totally hopeless and many others feel if them follow the food pyramid then everything should be alright.
Gentlemen. I love the back story. It is so helpful.
I don't remember when I first stumbled upon to the Protein Controversy... probably 2015... and I'm NOW learning the backstory for the first time. I finally get it.
Thank you for sharing your expertise with everyone!
This was amazing, thank you so much!
Pertaining to this whole debate about whether protein is significantly gluconeogenic, I find that meals that have a higher protein relative to fat tend to provide much longer satiety than ones that are higher in fat than protein. So while protein may induce gluconeogenesis, because higher protein meals provide longer periods of satiety, won't they facilitate an easier time doing more prolonged fasting between meals? If the time between meals is lengthened, because of the satiating effect of protein, doesn't that mean more time where insulin is lower? Hence, doesn't this extended time of low serum insulin levels offset the glucneogenic effect of increased protein consumption?
It must be a total individual thing about whether protein or fat are more satiating. For me it's definitely the fat. If I ear a pound of mostly belly fat with salt at about 10 am, I can go all day without feeling the need to eat. Often times I eat a bite more by 5 pm, simply because I have not eaten enough yet. All I need is water or herbal tea. The only problem with eating primarily fat is that it give me very lose stool although a small amount.
Excellent discussion... they are both current... thank you for your work
Hmm... then why must I as a T1Diabetic have to bolus for the protein that I eat? And, this is animal protein. My blood glucose levels do rise, but more slowly than any carbs, no matter what kind. Thx!
question,in a fasted state, doesnt glucagon raise and not insulin when protein/amino acids are eaten? cheers
I love Dr. Cywes and would like to send him $50 to get a good microphone
What is Dr. Goldkamp's first name?
Karl
Dr. Cywes (who I love by the way) is still confused about fat and protein in 2022. But he may be starting to realize the importance of protein as a nutrient. And no I'm not a doctor I'm an electrician. Most of us are not type 1 diabetics. And blood sugar simply going up doesn't tell me much of anything. People need a lot of protein to maintain muscle. A lot more than was previously thought. And it sucks as an energy source. Doesn't it? He's not talking about the average low carber. Oh, that's what Goldkamp said. No, you drink and then you get depressed. You have that first joint and then you get anxious. It's the chemical dependency. It's the same with that first donut. The carb addiction doc is right.
Dr. Cywes does like sound of his own voice.
If I understand your comment, you believe that Dr Cywes likes to talk.
I would suggest that he has a busy mind sorting out all of the details of what will explain the point that he wants to make. Being prone to this tendency, I have recognized that I must have a short form ready. In thinking what needs to be explained I do not want to miss a detail that might help the understanding of the subject.
@@marylynndevito7983 You made my point for me!
Indeed. Not quite blather, but excessive verbiage.
@@marylynndevito7983 I think Dr Cywes is just genius. Its just a sign of his knowledge, intellect and enthusiasm.
Gentlemen. I love the back story. It s so helpful.