Jazz Pianist Reacts to Metal - Periphery's Rhythms
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2020
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Argentina music
Check out polyphia I think you'll get a kick out of the compositional components
It would be awesome if you descontruct one of your pieces, Seize for example, its and amazing song
Charles Cornell You could take a look at some songs by System of a Down. They have Armenian origins, and their music is really heavily influenced by that. That includes the rhythmic aspects of several songs ;) would be great
Great video as always, by the way
You should listen to Dream Theatre specifically The Dance of Eternity is what I think is one of their most impressive songs
Love ya, pal! Awesome video and explanation. Now that you are done with this let’s play some ACC!
oh hai Misha
halo ther
Racing with you guys and Russ from Twelve Foot Ninja would be the coolest thing in the universe..
Dude fucking fuck yeah. Thank you for exploring Periphery! The Prog scene is so fucking good right now. Maybe check out Plini? 🎨👌🏼🔥😍
@misha mansoor tell him about carbomb. p l e a s e
“I don’t know the confines of prog metal” hey man don’t sweat they don’t even know...
ASHJDASASGD yeah
Indeed, no boundaries we have 🤘😁
Prog is a big word
Prog is defined by its lack of definition. Which is why I love it so much
Nobody ever will; metal sub-genres are as subjective as it gets
Expectation: Laughing at a jazz musician because he doesn't understand metal.
Reality: Getting schooled by a jazz musician who understands metal at a deeper level than I knew existed.
Ahhhhh you are not alone my friend! 😂
I like how Misha seems to be friends with every other musician
Yeah, Misha knows every other person and Nolly knows the other half 🤣
Charles: ye, I have friends who are really into that stuff. Like Misha Mansoor.
Right?? Lol
Dropping that on us reaaaal casually :P
Hahaha dude. Laughed out loud fukn hard.
I have a friend who's into religion. His names god......
He might as well have said "I have friends who really ARE that stuff, like Misha Mansoor"
I started picking up periphery songs on piano years ago and very quickly realized that it was BUFF JAZZ
Thicc Jazz ?
Swole Jazz
Matthew Hawes T H I C C
Yes, even though they know almost nothing about music theory, they write such melodically interesting riffs.
It’s jazz, but angrier
Hail stan is an absolute masterpiece. Retile being the holy grail of periphery tracks imo.
Retile my kitchen
@@behindthen0thing525 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@behindthen0thing525lmao
You can't react to Periphery without appreciating Spencer's vocals
not live though...
@@LewisRoberts93 wrong
@@LewisRoberts93 sounded great live when I saw them.
Of the 3 or 4 times I've been able to see them over the last decade, Sponce has maybe "not landed" one or two songs. Add to that the fact that the vocal arrangement asks for SO MUCH and he's had this good of success rate (with me) leads me to believe that the criticism is more blind (er, deaf) Sponce hating.
To me, the band Animals As Leaders feels synonymous with "jazz metal", I really hope you check them out, along with Dream Theater and Tool.
Seconding all three of these bands!
AAL for sure
This will be a dumb subculture reference that'll be lost of much of Charles' audience I think but the word you're looking for is Djazz...
AAL is just incredible
@@krisbramleydrums2261 Adam Neely gang here!
Never thought I'd hear Charles say MESHUGGAH. I can sleep happily.
The equivalent of “math jazz” would be “math rock” or even some Prog-metal bands. A cool “math rock” band but very jazz based is Chon, they are beasts.
Listen to Tricot
maybe Protest the Hero, but they are clearly more on the metal side
@@marcodiegocambronerovillal7647 too bad they’re watered down now :(
I think what he means in the context of metal would be Djent tho, stuff like Periphery, Tesseract, Erra, Meshuggah, etc.
Math rock is a different perspective on music theory than the one treated in the vid imho
"Mathcore" like Dillinger Escape Plan is probably a more metally version of math-rock/math-jazz
Now that you mention the "disguised" patterns in simple measures, Tesseract is a great example of that (much like the mathematical concept). Juno, Nocturne and April are great songs that use permutations and time displacements masterfully
Love that you picked Satellites - it's definitely my favorite song from PIV. Someday - SOMEDAY - I will hit that high note from the middle section...
No way you're a metalhead too?!?
Ok this video is too much of a head spinner, so Thomas is a metal head, Charles knows misha, Thomas actually SINGS METAL (LIKE WTF) WHAT IS GOING ON???
@@iurigrang it feels like a fever dream
woah wtf is happening
Same
I would highly recommend Plini, he’s an Australian guitarist who plays prog rock/ metal. Him and his band actually toured with Periphery before corona. Some songs I would recommend are Flâneur, Cascade, Salt + Charcoal, and Electric Sunrise
The tapped bass part at the end of cascade 👌👌👌. Also if you’re a fan of Plini I’d recommend giving I Built the Sky a listen- another Aussie doing some very nice things on guitar. Up into the Ether specifically is a masterpiece
Was just about to plug Electric Sunrise!!! It's definitely something I find myself returning to a lot.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
away is a really cool rhythmic piece to react to as well drum wise
Prog guitarists have to stop naming songs cascade theres like 4 of them. Also no more songs called marigold
You analyzing Opeth's progression into jazz would be cool. Checking out a song from every album and talking about them or just the last 4 albums.
I'd love for him to make a video about Opeth
As a big jazz fan myself, I find prog rock super fascinating, every tune is like a rhythmic rubik's cube. 'The Endless Knot' by Haken is a great example. The end of that tune has the lead guitarist playing in 5/4, the drummer playing in 4/4, and then another guitarist pumping away this crazy 8 on 10 polyrhythm, so sick!
Charles: what are the confines of prog metal?
Prog metal: yes
Yes like the band? They're pretty prog! (I'm kidding I knew what you meant)
Nicholas Marchese I came here to make this joke
Shouldn't it be no?
@@Anjiruu same.
proggers
I want to know how Misha and Charles became friends
A mutual love of cars and sim racing
@@CharlesCornellStudios I'd watch a crossover video of Charles and Misha talking cars.
Charles Cornell with how much Misha talks about both, this tracks 😂😂
@@CharlesCornellStudios Now thats epic
@@CharlesCornellStudios because you're friends with misha, ask him about car bomb (he wears car bomb merch sometimes so i assume hes a fan), you wont regret it
You should listen to "Owane" he's a beast neo-jazz-fusion-prog guitarist and musician in general, would like to hear your take on him
Absolutely! His newest track is magic!
Polyphia especially the drumming has a lot of jazz elements to their sound
The use the shit out of 251 progressions
@@jacksonp2397 right yes absolutely they use a lot of 251 in their drumming
@@valkarez1137 My research said that 251 is a typical jazz chord progression, what has this to do with polyphias rhythm?
What parts do you mean? The newer stuff has a lot of trap features but that might also be influenced by jazz?
@@nutellajunkie8848 I was referring to the structure of the song how each musician had their own little solo parts while others stepped back during that time and the drumming just had that improvisation feel to it.
"Jazz Pianist Reacts to Metal - Periphery's Rhythms" implies the existence of a "Jazz Pianist Reacts to Metal - Periphery's Harmony" video
I'd rather hear an analysis of Car Bomb song in regards to harmony. Some songs are plain trippy.
Meh, basically it is 95% of the time Natural/harmonic Minor, then they apply modulations by enharmonic interchange or by chord substitution/modal interchange.
Pretty easy stuff actually.
But yeah there are some songs that are way more intricate expecially in the solos, where the guitarist shift through 3 scales like minor/augmented and diminished maintaining the same root in each.
@@gardendado1999 If you keep flexing this hard, you're gonna rip your shirt.
You inferred that. It was not implied.
@@gardendado1999 is this comment regarding Car Bomb or Periphery? bc I'd say Car bomb is more on the chromatic end than anything else, and Periphery is pretty modally diverse if I remember correctly (haven't listened to them in a while)
The crossover I never knew I needed.
A lot of good comments here, but no one is mentioning The Dillinger Escape Plan. That's one band you should check out.
Absolutely.
Dillinger is a great choice, I think if he does any mathcore type stuff Car Bomb would be a great addition too
@@matthewkocienda2740 oh, for sure!
Yes!!
Thats some crazy, heavy noisy shit right there i love them.
Tigran’s playing really reminds me of Hiromi Uehara. Love it! Also, I think Devin Townsend has an amazing grasp of harmony and rhythm. And that voice of his...
periphery, animals as leaders, TesseracT, they’re all dope.
Sure!!!!
That smile at ~ 4:20 was exactly what I did when I first hear Perhiphery, and it was this album. I absolutely fell in love with Satellites and the entirety of the album shortly there after. Thanks for the video!
I feel like whenever you said "Metal", you meant "Prog Metal", because vanilla metal (heavy metal, power metal, etc) is a lot more "normal" when it comes to rhythms. And I feel like that kinda _is_ what makes prog metal prog metal. Complex rhythms and harmonies... Of course different metal has that as well, but I feel like for prog metal it's a defining feature.
@Jeff T Also, you have to have at least a couple songs that are over the 20 minute mark lol
@@barmetler I feel like most popular metal bands today are prog bands tho... For what I can think I may just be having a blonde moment
@@someperson9052 There's still tons of power metal heads, or thrash, heavy metal, black metal, death metal, metalcore, nightcore, etc...
I think there are honestly more death metal people than prog people. At least where I live, I am the only person that even knows who periphery are, I don't have a single friend that is into prog. Might be different where you're from, idk
@@barmetler yeah good point, I think you're right
I love how you were just smiling while listening to Periphery, and really enjoying it. You are precious MUST PROTECT
Periphery is SO fantastic. Such a great option for someone with your musical knowledge.
You absolutely blew my mind doing three rhythms at once. One with each hand and then vocalizing the third. You did it so casually but it shows such a huge amount of skill. So awesome!
Math Rock. ‘Tis a real thing.
Chon
You’re welcome.
And it's great, really really great
There's also that one band with the house on the cover.
I'm just Never Meant to say their name.
This
COVET. also a dope band, yvette young is an insanely good guitarist
Chon is like shred math rock. I feel like most math rock has the tempo half the speed of most chon songs lol
As a huge Metal and Jazz fan I already know that I'm going to enjoy this video a lot
You should have a listen to "The Contortionist - Language I & II" and then the "Rediscovered" version of "Language" . I'd love to see you react to that ! Also, Gojira.
Language by The Contortionist: One of my favorites of the decade.
Check out Arch Echo. They are prog metal but with jazz fusion elements since four of the members are Berklee graduates and you can really tell that. All of it is instrumental and im sure you will enjoy it! Also Plini, australian guitar player, not the heaviest but his melodies are just other wordly!!!
Arch Echo- Hip Dipper
Plini- Electric sunrise
Definitely Arch Echo!
“Their dogs were astronauts” made an excellent riff, with only one note, on the songs “Yesterday’s Tomorrow,” and “Section X” (the motif returns and changes slightly.) have a listen to that
and contortionist
The way Charles sinks into the frame at 0:06 is hilarious
THIS IS THE CONTENT I NEED IN MY LIFE
Signed,
A jazz-loving prog head
I wanna see Charles’ mind be blown from listening to The Dance of Eternity by Dream Theater. All those time signature changes...
Good god, thank you for showing me Periphery. I have been so removed from metal for years and this hooked me right back in. :D My roots are entrenched in various genres of metal, but for the past few years now I've been branching and and not looking back. This, is like a breath of fresh air.
Being a fan since their first album, it's been so fascinating to have my taste develop along with their development as a band and their sound! Some stuff I really dig, other stuff I don't like at all, but I like the general direction they're going.
You should check out “Thank You Scientist”!! They are a prog-metal jazz fusion band - I could recommend so many songs but For an instrumental: “Rube Goldberg Variations” is a great track, and for one with vocals? “Swarm” is one of my Favourites “Psychopomp” is a fantastic one too but there are so many to choose from!
Forget those Chromology is the way to go for absolute jazzification
I was gonna say. You missing out chromology is a huge misstep lmao
Thepeacemaker6342 how could I forget lmao - just listen to all the songs and you won’t be dissapointed
Blood on the Radio’s hella dissonant parts make me do the squinchy jazz face every time
Bluecoats 2017?
He’s the captain now, you heard him. And what a talented captain he is. *Ya like jazz?*
DUDE!
Thank you so much for getting me onto Periphery! Incredibly fantastic stuff!
First video I have seen from your channel and I Immediately subscribed after your opening example! I have noticed these things in the two genres of music and to see your theoretical breakdown explain it all blew me away! Great content! Can't wait to watch all of your other videos!
Unpopular opinion: Thank You Scientist is the greatest band ever when popularity is not taken into account, if that makes sense. The point is, please check them out they are AMAZING. Love the vids Charles!
Thanks Jesus
Yo Charles listen to Jesus here he’s right
So trueeeee
Jesus speaks the truth
Psychopomp, Swarm, Son of a Serpent actually make me transcend. And that JUICY dissonance in Blood On The Radio makes me do the ~jazz face~ every time I hear it. And FXMLDR is such a ride.... Plus their instrumentals like Chromology showcase how profiecient they are with theory. man Thank You Scientist is just so awesome.
You should check out Anomalie, and especially his song Velour - it’s super groovy
That's a good one. Watching him play it live is so sick too.
Love that dude
He's from my city!!! I have the same piano teacher he had when he was in college #ProudMontrealer
Anomalie, Kiefer, Rob Araujo.....they all are super groovy, I love it!
Thanks for your recommendation.
One of my favorite videos so far, and I've watched a lot of your stuff. I'm so excited that you're entering the endless vortex of complexity and musical genius behind prog/prog metal. MOAR!!!!!!!!!
Loved that Periphery album, Satellites is just insane. Regarding metal-influenced jazz, I think you'd dig Dan Weiss's Starebaby. That's some wicked stuff. Also check out Ben Monder's Hydra!
Periphery is my husband's favorite band and one of my favorite. We saw them live last year and it was SO GOOD! those dudes are so fun to watch and silly, Misha gave another member a kiss on the cheek while playing.
Oh my god I did NOT expect to see charles analyzing Periphery but I am elated
YES! I'm SO happy you covered Periphery, especially Satellites. That ending riff is so god tier, I love listening to the rhythmic motion of it all. I know you'll get more recommendations for more metal music - I hope you end up covering more, because prog/djent metal has so much rhythmic and even harmonic depth to it
Hey mann!! It’s been two days I’ve been watching all your videos!! It’s really interesting how you react and analyze different music
Check out The Dillinger Escape Plan. You’d probably like “Mouth of Ghosts”. Overall, a very heavy band, but heavily influenced with jazz. For more prog, check out Caligula’s Horse, Haken, Thank You Scientist, Frost*, Disperse, Atheist, and Cynic.
+1 for Caligula's Horse
No one talks about Caligula's Horse. Nice.
You forgot iQ!
THE Contortionist!
Fun facts:
At 0:28 when he said “so” I thought he meant “sol” like in solfege only to discover that it was a te not a sol
Of course this is assuming that “do” is C because if we dont have a reference point then anything could be anything and we’d all be just confused
Thank you for coming to my ted talk
every person who has perfect pitch
After hearing 10 times it's like an octave from 0:27 "above", bflat, to 0:28 "so", bflat.
Thank you for featuring Periphery, Charles! This song has blown my mind since the record came out. Another great example of shifting time signature stuff that I think you’d really like is the last minute or so of Empty Party Rooms by Minus the Bear. Thanks for being a great music creator!
dude, great job snapping the dot halfs and the beat at the same time! honestly super impressive.
For more jazzy rhythms in metal, check out Dream Theater or TesseracT
Charles brightening up everyone’s Friday with these vids!! Thanks man!💙
You should listen to POLYPHIA's G.O.A.T.
Insanely cool song, but rhythmically not as complex as this. A bunch of triplets, loose drum beats with tons of breaks that make you loose orientation, that's it. Don't want to discredit it, though, one of my favourite songs.
@@nutellajunkie8848 yeah goat doesnt contain a single instance of the rhythmic permutations discussed in this video. good song, but not really relevant. veil of maya, after the burial, vildhjarta, meshuggah would all be good examples of this permutation style in the metal world
Overplayed and overrated
as a pianist/drummer who loves both jazz and metal (and Charles Cornell), i really found this video great! Love the content!
Biggest metal rhythmic mind-blown moments (for me):
Metallica - Blackened (last statement of main riff)
Dream Theater- The Mirror
Tool - Lateralus
Oh yeah... nice ones... Good taste 😏
U definitly need to check out cafo by animals as leaders... This part is sick!!!
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I never see people talk about that bit on blackened. It's just one little bit but God it's so damn satisfying.
check out Tool, Dillinger Escape Plan, and Car Bomb
seconded on car bomb for sure
car bomb for sure
I'd be extremely disappointed if he didn't check out Car Bomb. They still blow my mind every time I listen to them.
Car Bomb is probably the one I'd like to see his take on the most.
This is awesome! Thank you for breaking this down. Very appreciative.
I'm a metal guitarist and have been following your channel for a while, this upload was a very pleasant surprise. :)
OH YEAH I LOVE YOU MORE THAN ANYTHING
PLEASE DO ANIMALS AS LEADERS. Look up Tosin Abasi you will not be disappointed lol!
You and Misha are a power duo. The fact y'all are friends is bonkers I would love that back story
Such a phenomenal track by my favourite band. I fawn over the latter half of the song all the time. Thanks for making a video about it!
One of Periphery’s trademarks are their sections of highly specific rhythmic syncopations (often 8-16 measures) which occur in so, so many Periphery tracks. You can tell Misha has a really good grasp of the 16th note grid.
Protest The Hero. Palimpsest. Yeah, tons of cool rhythmic stuff in there.
@Deaddog67 solidly disagree, while I love their old stuff and have been listening since Kezia. Palimpsest probably has the best examples of their technical talent and range, while also being a little more accessible to someone dipping their toes into the pool.
Lately I've been listening to opeth, they're great because they're fairly heavy but have very beautiful acoustic interludes. I'd love if you could check ghost of perdition, great tune. Excellent video, great for those who cannot pay music school lol.
I freaking love this song. What a great riff to break down.
You would not believe how long I was waiting for you to dive into this genre - even bigger fan now :)
Dream theater - Dance of the eternity, you'll love the middle piano section
What you described about the 3 beat into 4/4 immediately reminded me of “In the Cage” by Genesis
Great song! Here's my stab at the keyboardist's analog synth solo on guitar:
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Okay. I love Tigran's music. Thanks for turning me onto it.
I've been a metal guy my whole life, but checked out Tigran from your suggestion and instantly fell in love, please give me more to look into, this just grooves on a level I've never experienced before!
Listen to "Native Construct", trust me Charles.
RIP Native Construct. They were awesome
And Poh Hock, guitarist of Native Construct
Check out the band “Unprocessed” they take a lot of these rhythm concepts to an extreme with polyrhythms, odd meters, and etc.
Man oh man thank you for introducing me to Tigran's music!
This type of rhythmic stuff is my absolute jam. Thanks for breaking this down!
How many people are just casually friends with Misha? Rick Beato, this dude who I've just seen now (and subbed)
jazz metal?
haken
you need to listen to them
you need it
suggestions : atlas stone, falling back to earth, the point of no return
I've been waiting for this video for my whole life!
I really like your new set Charles!
Hi Charles, I love your series 'Jazz Pianist Reacts' and was wondering if you could do an episode looking at the title track to Dua Lipa's latest album ‘Future Nostalgia' - there's one section in the song where the drums drop out and there's some reharminization using ‘jazz chords' that I think is awesome, it caught me off guard the first time I heard it as I was just expecting it to be the same I IV V chords the whole way through! Either way, keep up the good work I'm a massive fan of your content :)
Wouldn't mind a transcription of this section hey. So underrated.
Been trying to find one forever with no luck, I think Charles is the man for the job
My favorite math rock/ prog rock band is called Dance Gavin Dance, honestly has some great progressions and rhythmic figures that stand out in many ways that other music doesn’t. Satellites sounds pretty similar to their songs as well
I really loved this video. Because is way more than a "reaction video". Not a typical guy in a corner of the screen saying "wow, dope, go off bruh".
Keep it up Charles, cheers from the DR 🤙🏽🇩🇴
Just discovered this video. Have a Bahelor's degree in Jazz and Master's in Music Education and am smiling ear to ear having watched your video. I wish I had more people who spoke this lanuage in my life. So thank you that was refreshing and well done man. My props to Misha and the gang too. Its hilarious and awesome to see my students react when i roll into the school parking lot where I teach blasting Periphery with a skateboard on my back seat. I am happy to hear more and more musicians in this world need to blur these genre lines. Hit me up if you need some symphonic or jazz stems to play around with.
One of my favorite progressive metal/death metal band is Jinjer for sure. "Home Back" is probably my favorite song on their most recent album, Macro, followed by "Ape", "Teacher, Teacher" and "Perennial" on the Micro album. A little bit about them is that they're from Ukraine and have a female lead, Tatiana. She has a really nice tone in her voice but where she really shines is in her vocal growls. The rest of the band is their guitarist- Roman, the bassist- Eugene, and the drummer- Vladislav (or just Vlad). The instrumentals are fucking incredible and since Vlad has joined the band (in 2014 I think?) the music has only gotten better. Please check them out! Even if you don't have them in a video, I think a lot of people can get into them. Many say to check out their song "Pisces" first. After listening to all of their other songs, "Pisces" is way low on my list of Jinjer faves.
Jinjer is killing as fuck dude. I really dig Outlander and I Speak Astronomy
Pisces is just that kind of simple accessible song, fun to react to since it has that from-sweet-melodic-to-cavernous-growl from a moment to the next. It's fine for a start!
+1 for recommending them for their music, not for shock value
@@MariaCalore Oh yeah! I totally agree. It used to be the only song on my playlist from them, and before I really hadn't listened to metal, more specifically death metal. Jinjer definitely got me into metal and I love that! I feel like people write metal off so quickly because of a few songs or some bad stereotypical stuff, but theres so many subgenres just like any kind of music, and I think because of that, there's something for everyone!
I know you’ve looked at Jacob Collier in the past, but I’d love if you could check out his Hallelujah cover, it’s so interesting harmonically and compositionally, and I really want to see your take on it!
I loved the rhythm lessons here. I was on my high-school drum line, and taking a college music intro class really helped me put even ore together. I love rhythm so much. Especially "weird" and interesting rythms. 7/8 is my favorite more common odd time signature. I've it when songs change back and forth between two odd times. This video has shown me that you can obtain a similar feel with a different technique.
You do a great job of explaining these things. I get it when I play through it, but I couldn't explain it.
NOW YOU'RE TALKING, more progressive metal pls 😊
There’s a sub-genre called Mathrock which is basically gothic jazz.
very useful/valuable explanations - i learned alot, thanks
Man you just made a video about everything I love in music. Meshuggah is my favorite band ever, they’re so inspirational! I think it would be really cool to also have video on them x) And generaly metal is such a great universe and wenn you get it combined with more jazz stuff like with tigran it gets so incredible... Man just make more videos, I love it!
Red Bull Racing eh? How about a musical analysis of Super Max by the Pitstop Boys lol
LOL I was just thinking the whole time about the sub-genre of metal "math rock" so 10:00 hit me XD
New to the channel, got into the "metal scene" post 2007 in the age of deathcore, with the likes Knights of The Abyss, Job For A Cowboy. Over time growing and gravitating to bands like Periphery, Veil of Maya, Stand Alone Complex. I don't have a lot of influence coming outside from family and peers music wise strangely enough. I don't know how I got here, but I'm happy I did. Your description of permutation was completely new to me, but you broke it down and I was able to follow which was bad ass because I had no clue about anything like that and for real got to learn something, especially about jazz. I'm not a "stank face" headbanger, I just cheese a lot when I'm grooving in appreciation to some well composed breakdowns and rhythms, especially when me and a friend are writing and some thing finally clicks and jams. So it was excellent to see the elation during sections of the songs you enjoyed. It felt genuine which is rare lately in reactions on youtube. I'm subscribing man, this is good stuff, I'm ready to learn!
i cant believe one of my favourite youtubers made a video about my favourite band. I love it