This makes me so sad for them. A group like piggy dolls were so needed to break the impossible beauty standards in Korea. Everyone was so focused on their weight that they never knew how golden this was, especially to women. Curvy women are beautiful too, they can be talented, they can be revolutionary. This makes me hurt for them that they could of started something to change in this dark industry.
Not just beauty standards but they were actually talented singers while a lot of K-pop groups are dance focused, the singing being mostly mediocre. I can’t stand that the world is more open to K-pop and Korean cinema yet the dinosaurs running the music labels don’t take the opportunity to promote better singers instead of constantly trying to push more and more groups that aren’t taken as seriously.
I’d like to give a lil kudos to the company. They chose them because of their talent, their appearance didn’t matter. I wish they didn’t turn around and force the girls to change their image... wth was that all abt? I feel like if you’re in it for the music, over time your fanbase will grow and your album sales will increase. These days, companies will let anyone debut as long as they fit into the korean beauty stand. These girls were beautiful and had amazing voices!! They shouldn’t have had to lose any weight at all. They were already pretty. ): I’m not a skinny girl and when I first heard abt this group it made me so happy bc I saw ppl who looked like me! The company just ended up being like all the others in the end. At first it seemed like they didn’t care abt their appearance bc they had talent but the idea of money got into their dads so they had to be forceful and change things up drastically. That’s crazy.
i think the idea of the name is to reclaim the insults thrown at them. It’s tongue in cheek, like, you can’t insult them by comparing them to pigs because they’ve already done that.
im glad the leader is still doing music, the small clip you played of her made my jaw drop. i wonder if people who consume music thru their eyes instead of their ears have ever listened to anything but pop
In my country (Finland) only the leader Minsun would be considered overweight. The two others would be considered normal sized. I have also noticed that many of girlgroups would be considered underweight in Finland when you compare their weight to hight.
I remember when they debuted I was so excited. The lead singer especially has a great voice. Too bad people can't get past appearance. I also remember when they group came back with completely different members. Quite frankly their song was boring. There was nothing to distinguish the new Piggy Dolls from countless other ggs out there. They should have kept the old members.
6:42 OMG WHY DID I NEVER HEAR ABOUT IT!? I loved Rocket Girls' songs, if their company was so shetty it can explain why so many member constantly left the group.
I hate when articles about kpop artists (for example on KpopProfiles and Kpop Wiki), mention their weight... like, why even? Idk about you, but my weight changes often, even in the span of one day and a lot of companies intentionally lie about their singers weight to avoid them being attacked by fatphobic people. It seems pointless to write it down and it encourages toxic behavior. I forgot her name, but there's a girl on kpop wiki, that deletes the weight section from infoboxes when she updates pages for comebacks (idek if she's still active xd), but THAT'S THE ENERGY I WANT TO SEE FROM (especially) INTERNATIONAL FANS.
Honestly piggy dolls would be very popular rightnow like for the original members if the company stuck with the original members and the orginal concept they had, piggy dolls would be really big internationally because they were spreading body positivity and you know how big body positivity is internationally
I loved the Piggy Dolls when they debuted. They reminded me of Big Mama. And they had some powerhouse vocals. Shame people couldn't look past their bodies and see their talent instead. People can be so shallow.
Its so rich how the netizens were arguing that the ladies were encouraging unhealthy bodies and lifestyles with their concept as if being extremely thin and underweight is healthy..I can't even
When someone said anything about breaking the kpop beauty standards, i always thought about Big Mama. They are really amazing group with very powerful vocals.
Dreamcatcher Gahyeon use to be quite chubby she is happy and healthy and company and her group never shamed her for it she goes through a healthy diet and exercises she lose a few weights and in their recent interview her group members told her that she is pretty as she is and she doesn't need more dieting
Wow! I’ve heard of piggy dolls before, and i gotta say, i give props to their companies for choosing them for their talent rather than their looks If i was a ceo of a company, I would’ve taken in piggy dolls and I would’ve taken care of them and give them the support they needed But, thanks to how toxic the kpop industry is, many people are scared to become a kpop idol because of how toxic the beauty standards are I hope the industry will become a safer and better for place so that no one should feel anxious and unconfident to audition to become a kpop idol
It’s sounds like though the company was specifically looking for girls above 70kg and would also feed them 2x the normal amount. It doesn’t seem like the company was supportive of their bodies but more pushed their ideal bodies size on to the girls
I remember back then, I really hope Piggy Dolls get some recognition, but then company change the whole members, I truly shook and check it a couple of time, that was the first time it happen in KPOP
Great video, but I wanted to quickly point out that that group Rocket Girls, whose company employees were encouraged to body shame them, is a C-pop group, not a K-pop group. However, the group is modelled off of K-pop girl groups, and 2 of the members are also members of the K-pop group WJSN.
If they were to debut today,I actually think they`d get a sizeable fanbase because so many international fans are now into Kpop and industry sometimes has to cave under pressure.I don`t think they`d be as successful as say Mamamoo(just marketability wise),but they`d do better than when they were originally introduced,for sure.
They were damned if they do, damned if they don't. They were really talented, and S. Korea needs to stop focusing on body Infantilization of grown women and men.
Even when they debuted two of the girls weighed less then me! It honestly makes me feel kinda worse about my weight since the group was called “piggy dolls” and were called fat. Although I weigh a lot I don’t think I have lots of fat, most of it is in my thighs and butt.
I think they would totally go through a similar experience in Korea that they did then, but if they were to be promoted right, and hopefully with a new name change, they could have been popular overseas. Or so I believe they would've.
The name "Piggy Dolls" was supposed to be a play on the "Pussycat Dolls," who were very popular at the time for their sexy image. They were a very talented group of girls, and I always looked forward to their stages. I'm glad that Min Sun is still making music! I'm going to check out all of her songs. Her talent was too good to waste. Whatever they are doing, I hope that Ji Yeon and Ji Eun are happy!
Concerning 2ne1, YG definitely wouldn’t have let them meet these lovely girls, but now 2ne1 is free from that awful company, maybe CL would be down to collab with them or at least one of them
They really set them up to fail from the beginning with the name "Piggy" Dolls. Having a music video where they're all eating pizza and junk food, putting heavy emphasis on them being fat, it's like their company was mocking them before netizens even could.
I don’t think them being fat was what made them fail, it’s the fact that they tried center the group’s music and message about being fat that failed. Maybe if they just focused on their singing talent instead of their appearance, they would have done a bit better with the general audience and not just lean on gaining plus size fans.
sometimes I wonder if it is SO difficult to create a new girlband that they rather decide to use an already existing girlband but simply replace all of their members, making it actually a completely new girlband but with a recycled name, making fans and k-netz angry and nothing more... like come on, if you replace 1 - 40% of the members in a band, okay, but replacing anything more than 40% of a band ,better create a new one... and rip, since Piggy Dolls debut the girlbands nowadays get way more plastic surgery, more makeup/styling and do even more diets and workout. would say thats mission failed..
I don't think Asia will ever normalize being heavily overweight because to many healthy eating do not lead to being way more than "chubby." Even though Piggy Dolls debuted a while ago, if we look at K-pop now it is even worse than 2nd and 3rd gens when it comes to fat shaming.
I don’t like that the CEO chose that as their name... it would’ve been better if the girls chose it themselves, like an inside joke or something, but it’s good they still liked it... and they’re not even that big? at least two of them aren’t, but I guess it is good for people of all sizes to see them on stage. And I am worried about dieting... I think it could be possible that the company will either still put them on a diet to make them lose weight so they become more “palatable” for the public, OR they don’t let them eat healthily bc of their image, like they have to keep on weight. Idk just some thoughts. Edit: Okay, I wasn’t through with the video when it got to the point where it literally talks about this lol Oh, and the biggest girl always wears clothes that covers her up almost completely and that rubs me the wrong way...
No, it's not "body positive" to be overweight or even underweight because that does DAMAGE to your health. Not saying we should disrespect people based on looks, but it's just not healthy and shouldn't be normalised.
I think they should have not given them dancing, if they should be famous for their voice, why not make them classical singers instead of "korean idols". They can still sing pop songs or OST. But without putting them on stage and naming them piggy dolls..... so sorry for their talent and the traume they must have gotten from this antis.
This video is cool and all but Big Mama Debut waaaay before these girls did and is the Real Pioneer of Kpop Body Positivity movement. Their 1st ever Video Clip was a direct jab at the industry. And they were the original group to come-out with soulful vocals. Mamamoo is great but they have nothing on the original Mama group
I know pig is an insult but why pigs are so cute why do people have to be judgmental. There is such thing as too fat obviously but if they’re able to sing and dance they’re healthy enough
Lol... a group that's supposed to be promoting "body positivity," ( although there is nothing "positive" about being overweight ) calling themselves the *Piggy Dolls.* Am I the only one who sees a blatant contradiction here?
Well, comparing how horrifying """""overweight"""""" they are to how obviously healthy™ other idols are, I rather weigh 75 kg than being forced anorexic. Plus, your comment stinks fatphobia. Being overweight does not equal being unhealthy morbid obese. Being underweight doesn't equal being healthy and fit. Peoples with thinning eating disorders gain hate just by getting fat because "uwu you are getting fatter and there is nothing positive to be 4/5 kg over the average!", instead of letting them know that having body fat it's normal and okay. Sorry but I can't deal with your shit. "There is nothing positive of being overweight", as if there was something positive of being underweight... Gilipollas...
First of all, the name is just... Eh Second of all..theyre not even THAT fat..theyre not 400 lbs, and arent morbidly unhealthy Okay thirdly, fck those people...they lose weight/ stay fat(ish) or whatever as long as theyre promoting being healthy... Idols are human
out of all the things they could have name a plus size group they named the group "piggy dolls"
My thoughts exactly 😞
They should have been name "curvy beauties"
Porky pies like cutie pies is better or Chunky Gals
I think there's a plus size J-POP girlgroup named 'Big Angel', but I forgot about that
they loved the name if they didn't they could've changed it i think its cute
This makes me so sad for them. A group like piggy dolls were so needed to break the impossible beauty standards in Korea. Everyone was so focused on their weight that they never knew how golden this was, especially to women. Curvy women are beautiful too, they can be talented, they can be revolutionary. This makes me hurt for them that they could of started something to change in this dark industry.
It’s not just Korea. Most East Asian, and south East Asian for that matter, countries look down on fatness.
@@pievancl5457 Yes because it's biologically not attractive. The only one's who promote fatness are fat women and desperate men with no standards.
@@kougamishinya6566 agree 100%
Not just beauty standards but they were actually talented singers while a lot of K-pop groups are dance focused, the singing being mostly mediocre. I can’t stand that the world is more open to K-pop and Korean cinema yet the dinosaurs running the music labels don’t take the opportunity to promote better singers instead of constantly trying to push more and more groups that aren’t taken as seriously.
I’d like to give a lil kudos to the company. They chose them because of their talent, their appearance didn’t matter. I wish they didn’t turn around and force the girls to change their image... wth was that all abt? I feel like if you’re in it for the music, over time your fanbase will grow and your album sales will increase. These days, companies will let anyone debut as long as they fit into the korean beauty stand. These girls were beautiful and had amazing voices!! They shouldn’t have had to lose any weight at all. They were already pretty. ): I’m not a skinny girl and when I first heard abt this group it made me so happy bc I saw ppl who looked like me! The company just ended up being like all the others in the end. At first it seemed like they didn’t care abt their appearance bc they had talent but the idea of money got into their dads so they had to be forceful and change things up drastically. That’s crazy.
Well, they actually forced the to gain weight. That isn't healthy
@@classycraft4113 depends on what you think is unhealthy
spreading "body positivity" while calling this group "Piggy Dolls" just do not sit right with me...
i think the idea of the name is to reclaim the insults thrown at them. It’s tongue in cheek, like, you can’t insult them by comparing them to pigs because they’ve already done that.
I can't believe they named them piggy dolls
im glad the leader is still doing music, the small clip you played of her made my jaw drop.
i wonder if people who consume music thru their eyes instead of their ears have ever listened to anything but pop
Pooh can you make one for Pink Fantasy theyre so underrated but so amazing
Yes please !
Yesss!!! 😭😭😭😭
In my country (Finland) only the leader Minsun would be considered overweight. The two others would be considered normal sized. I have also noticed that many of girlgroups would be considered underweight in Finland when you compare their weight to hight.
I heard about this group once
Me to
Same
Same
What is the name i didnt hear
i stan them when they debuted... i remember it so vividly.
I’ve never heard of Piggy Dolls but them seemed kinda cool
Two of them weren't even that heavy... and why couldn't they have a better name than Piggy Dolls :/ sounds lowkey degrading ngl
bc it IS degrading
YES FINALLY A VIDEO ABOUT PIGGY DOLLS THAT MENTIONS SEEA!!!
Such a degrading name, wow... none of them are even that big.
I remember when they debuted I was so excited. The lead singer especially has a great voice. Too bad people can't get past appearance.
I also remember when they group came back with completely different members. Quite frankly their song was boring. There was nothing to distinguish the new Piggy Dolls from countless other ggs out there. They should have kept the old members.
they had just as many singers that never made it. their only gimmick that they were fat. i can why it didn’t work out.
6:42 OMG WHY DID I NEVER HEAR ABOUT IT!?
I loved Rocket Girls' songs, if their company was so shetty it can explain why so many member constantly left the group.
Rocket girls was actually a temporary Group from a survival show thats why they disbanded!! But the Company that managed them sucks too
@@mereilles i actually think I might've confused Rocket Girls & Pocket Girls together lol. Weird mistake on my part
I hate when articles about kpop artists (for example on KpopProfiles and Kpop Wiki), mention their weight... like, why even? Idk about you, but my weight changes often, even in the span of one day and a lot of companies intentionally lie about their singers weight to avoid them being attacked by fatphobic people. It seems pointless to write it down and it encourages toxic behavior.
I forgot her name, but there's a girl on kpop wiki, that deletes the weight section from infoboxes when she updates pages for comebacks (idek if she's still active xd), but THAT'S THE ENERGY I WANT TO SEE FROM (especially) INTERNATIONAL FANS.
cause weight is a common topic. they weight their students on a yearly basis.
Honestly piggy dolls would be very popular rightnow like for the original members if the company stuck with the original members and the orginal concept they had, piggy dolls would be really big internationally because they were spreading body positivity and you know how big body positivity is internationally
I loved the Piggy Dolls when they debuted. They reminded me of Big Mama. And they had some powerhouse vocals. Shame people couldn't look past their bodies and see their talent instead. People can be so shallow.
Its so rich how the netizens were arguing that the ladies were encouraging unhealthy bodies and lifestyles with their concept as if being extremely thin and underweight is healthy..I can't even
they looks so good and talented
When someone said anything about breaking the kpop beauty standards, i always thought about Big Mama. They are really amazing group with very powerful vocals.
Wait SeeA was from Piggy Dolls ???? I knew that a lot Pink Fantasy members were in other groups but not Seea
Dreamcatcher Gahyeon use to be quite chubby she is happy and healthy and company and her group never shamed her for it she goes through a healthy diet and exercises she lose a few weights and in their recent interview her group members told her that she is pretty as she is and she doesn't need more dieting
I love dreamcatcher :')
I knew about them at that time and I liked their music 😍 but no one knew who they were so it’s a shock to see them now
Wow! I’ve heard of piggy dolls before, and i gotta say, i give props to their companies for choosing them for their talent rather than their looks
If i was a ceo of a company, I would’ve taken in piggy dolls and I would’ve taken care of them and give them the support they needed
But, thanks to how toxic the kpop industry is, many people are scared to become a kpop idol because of how toxic the beauty standards are
I hope the industry will become a safer and better for place so that no one should feel anxious and unconfident to audition to become a kpop idol
It’s sounds like though the company was specifically looking for girls above 70kg and would also feed them 2x the normal amount. It doesn’t seem like the company was supportive of their bodies but more pushed their ideal bodies size on to the girls
crazy how in america only one of these girls would be considered actually plus size.
I remember back then, I really hope Piggy Dolls get some recognition, but then company change the whole members, I truly shook and check it a couple of time, that was the first time it happen in KPOP
These types of group should be a thing
Great video, but I wanted to quickly point out that that group Rocket Girls, whose company employees were encouraged to body shame them, is a C-pop group, not a K-pop group. However, the group is modelled off of K-pop girl groups, and 2 of the members are also members of the K-pop group WJSN.
Thanks for introducing me to Minsun's music! Already in love with the acoustic "Like the moon" song 🤩
minsun's voice is beautiful and her music omg
If they were to debut today,I actually think they`d get a sizeable fanbase because so many international fans are now into Kpop and industry sometimes has to cave under pressure.I don`t think they`d be as successful as say Mamamoo(just marketability wise),but they`d do better than when they were originally introduced,for sure.
They had so much of talent. They shouldn’t have disbanded. Weight doesn’t affect your vocal ability
The name of the group is the weirdest name
WAIT i wanted to stan pink fantasy I NEVER KNEW THAT AHHH
Not a surprise 2NE1 was their idol. I wish they had met.
They were damned if they do, damned if they don't. They were really talented, and S. Korea needs to stop focusing on body Infantilization of grown women and men.
Oh wow, her voice really is so amazing😍😍
I loved Piggy Doll
Can we talk about their voices tho?
ik its like dramatic to say but to see MCND’s nanana intro made me scream like rjfjsjs
Even when they debuted two of the girls weighed less then me! It honestly makes me feel kinda worse about my weight since the group was called “piggy dolls” and were called fat. Although I weigh a lot I don’t think I have lots of fat, most of it is in my thighs and butt.
I think they would totally go through a similar experience in Korea that they did then, but if they were to be promoted right, and hopefully with a new name change, they could have been popular overseas. Or so I believe they would've.
All I know is that I NEED me a plus size Asian woman
Not related but how i screamed "BOOOOOCCCCAAAA" When Dreamcatcher popped up in the beginning showed me more proof of how much an InSomnia I am
Piggy dolls is so amazing😭
But the Korean so harsh...for their body🙈
So sad😭I love their voice tho🙈
Their songs were great❤
2:44 that's Esna's song
Me hearing Minsun's voice for the first time 👁️👄👁️
The name "Piggy Dolls" was supposed to be a play on the "Pussycat Dolls," who were very popular at the time for their sexy image. They were a very talented group of girls, and I always looked forward to their stages. I'm glad that Min Sun is still making music! I'm going to check out all of her songs. Her talent was too good to waste. Whatever they are doing, I hope that Ji Yeon and Ji Eun are happy!
It would be interesting to learn the history of Big Mama as well
WOAH WHAT YHE HELL I HAD NO IDEA SEA WAS A MEMBER OF PIGGY DOLLS IM SHAKING ISTG I HAVE GOOSEBUMPS
I don't believe beauty standard .but I believe if you have a good voice you can be idol
Min Son has such a beautiful voice
YEAHHHH IM READY
6:43 That is Yami from Rocket Girls, a temporary group formed in China. That is C-Pop, not K-pop^^
I’m early
Hi I love your videos 😍
Kpop stans:OMG they're so thin I hope they gain weight
Also kpop stans:OMG they're so fat I hope they loose weight
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Kpop has a long way to go for body positivity. I do commend those who worked hard to look good. But not to the point your mental health is compromised
Piggy Dolls Company Also Made a gg called Kiss&cry
Concerning 2ne1, YG definitely wouldn’t have let them meet these lovely girls, but now 2ne1 is free from that awful company, maybe CL would be down to collab with them or at least one of them
Oh Mamamoo is like them they have good voice
SeeA? Wow, I never expected that
I heard Seea from Pink Fantasy was in this group. Is that true?
I've never heard of this group before but they seemed super dope!
okay this is off topic but does anyone know what the ending song is? it sounds pretty good :,))
They really set them up to fail from the beginning with the name "Piggy" Dolls. Having a music video where they're all eating pizza and junk food, putting heavy emphasis on them being fat, it's like their company was mocking them before netizens even could.
They are beautiful i mean sometimes some girls are too skinny
Welp for starters if they were for body positivity why were they called piggy dolls?
I think Ji Eun is beautiful.
I don’t think them being fat was what made them fail, it’s the fact that they tried center the group’s music and message about being fat that failed. Maybe if they just focused on their singing talent instead of their appearance, they would have done a bit better with the general audience and not just lean on gaining plus size fans.
Yeah, I gave up the group when they changed the lineup. Poor girls.
I'm really sad they weren't more successful :( By American standards, they aren't even that big honestly Korea's standards are too harsh sometimes
Wow
its so sad that music is all about how you look rather than how you sing
sometimes I wonder if it is SO difficult to create a new girlband that they rather decide to use an already existing girlband but simply replace all of their members, making it actually a completely new girlband but with a recycled name, making fans and k-netz angry and nothing more...
like come on, if you replace 1 - 40% of the members in a band, okay, but replacing anything more than 40% of a band ,better create a new one...
and rip, since Piggy Dolls debut the girlbands nowadays get way more plastic surgery, more makeup/styling and do even more diets and workout. would say thats mission failed..
Unhealthy lifestyle😂how about one french fried per meal? Is that healthy? The toxic shi is so reall in korea
This is heartbreaking...
There not fat there beautiful
I don't think Asia will ever normalize being heavily overweight because to many healthy eating do not lead to being way more than "chubby." Even though Piggy Dolls debuted a while ago, if we look at K-pop now it is even worse than 2nd and 3rd gens when it comes to fat shaming.
But why on earth did they make her wear those sunglasses??? So weird
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I don’t like that the CEO chose that as their name... it would’ve been better if the girls chose it themselves, like an inside joke or something, but it’s good they still liked it... and they’re not even that big? at least two of them aren’t, but I guess it is good for people of all sizes to see them on stage. And I am worried about dieting... I think it could be possible that the company will either still put them on a diet to make them lose weight so they become more “palatable” for the public, OR they don’t let them eat healthily bc of their image, like they have to keep on weight. Idk just some thoughts. Edit: Okay, I wasn’t through with the video when it got to the point where it literally talks about this lol
Oh, and the biggest girl always wears clothes that covers her up almost completely and that rubs me the wrong way...
It is impossible to be plus size in Kpop industry that what I know.
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No, it's not "body positive" to be overweight or even underweight because that does DAMAGE to your health. Not saying we should disrespect people based on looks, but it's just not healthy and shouldn't be normalised.
I think they should have not given them dancing, if they should be famous for their voice, why not make them classical singers instead of "korean idols". They can still sing pop songs or OST. But without putting them on stage and naming them piggy dolls..... so sorry for their talent and the traume they must have gotten from this antis.
Calling them piggy dolls while spreading body positivity….. yeah that’s right.
Why piggy dolls tho....the CEO WANTED people to bully them ...could have called them 🌌Barbz🌌 (or sum better)
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This video is cool and all but Big Mama Debut waaaay before these girls did and is the Real Pioneer of Kpop Body Positivity movement. Their 1st ever Video Clip was a direct jab at the industry. And they were the original group to come-out with soulful vocals. Mamamoo is great but they have nothing on the original Mama group
I know pig is an insult but why pigs are so cute why do people have to be judgmental. There is such thing as too fat obviously but if they’re able to sing and dance they’re healthy enough
Oh, so for knezt being underweight is healthy? But being yourself is gross!!!
ok but wtf is "piggy dolls"??? the name sounds downright offensive
Dude wtf these women are cute, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE PEOPLE THAT CALLED THEM UGLY?!
Uhm! Adele! *cough *cough!
they WERE promoting unhealthy lifestyles
Lol... a group that's supposed to be promoting "body positivity," ( although there is nothing "positive" about being overweight ) calling themselves the *Piggy Dolls.*
Am I the only one who sees a blatant contradiction here?
Well, comparing how horrifying """""overweight"""""" they are to how obviously healthy™ other idols are, I rather weigh 75 kg than being forced anorexic. Plus, your comment stinks fatphobia. Being overweight does not equal being unhealthy morbid obese. Being underweight doesn't equal being healthy and fit. Peoples with thinning eating disorders gain hate just by getting fat because "uwu you are getting fatter and there is nothing positive to be 4/5 kg over the average!", instead of letting them know that having body fat it's normal and okay. Sorry but I can't deal with your shit. "There is nothing positive of being overweight", as if there was something positive of being underweight... Gilipollas...
@@fabianavillarroel4223 It's either one extreme or the other with you, isn't it?
Where did I say being underweight was okay?
First of all, the name is just... Eh
Second of all..theyre not even THAT fat..theyre not 400 lbs, and arent morbidly unhealthy
Okay thirdly, fck those people...they lose weight/ stay fat(ish) or whatever as long as theyre promoting being healthy... Idols are human