Lithium Ion vs Lithium Polymer - Don't Choose Wrong!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Lithium-ion Batteries vs Lithium-Polymer Batteries; what's the difference between them and which one's better? Let's compare.
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➡️Li-ion
🔋Pros:
✅Cheaper to manufacture and easily obtainable
✅Have higher charging cycles, so last longer - 2 to 3 years
✅Tend to be slightly heavier than Li-Po batteries
✅Deliver more power in a smaller form factor than Li-Po of similar size.
🪫Cons:
❌More reactive/unstable
❌Don't withstand heat that well
❌Do not support superfast charging wattage
❌Liquid electrolyte can cause leakages or battery swelling.
❌Higher passive discharge rate
➡️Li-Po
🔋Pros:
✅More stable and can tolerate higher temperatures
(thanks to being encased in a hard or soft-shell).
Makes them safer too.
✅Can easily handle higher charging wattage, hence ideal for fast charging
✅Relatively safer than Li-ion as it uses a gel-like electrolyte instead of a liquid one, so no chance of leakage. (Doesn't swell up easily either)
✅Discharge quite slowly when not in use compared to Li-ion
(but it depends on the device and background apps)
🪫Cons:
❌Bulkier than Li-ion
❌Aren't as easily obtained (but that has certainly changed a lot)
❌Lesser lifespan and lower charging cycles than Li-ion (because of their gel electrolyte.
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Actually lithium polymer batteries have longer life charging cycles if you charge them at the same voltage as lithium ion being 4.35v instead of 4.45/4.5v. I've tested lots of devices and lithium ion can barely hit 600 cycles before losing voltage storage capacity, lithium polymer can withstand more than 800 cycles while charging at 67w 4.45v. no idea about 120w or more, testing now a dual battery device with 150w
Can you specify which devices and which uses poly and ion?
What devices, I'm curious.
Interesting, maybe that's why faster charging phones use polymer ones more often.
@@PatalJunior Hi, Galaxy s21 Ultra s22 Ultra, Note 20 all 3 of them max out at 4.35v and the batteries "died" in 1 year. Mi10t Pro, Mi10t, op10 pro, op10t, mi11t pro, 12t pro all had reached 1000 cycles at no more than 60w and still fine at the time of selling, only have the 10t pro, op10t and s21 ultra left right now
@@TheHopelessGeekYeah that's why we get such fast charging, thanks to polymer, imagine charging at 5v/2A a Poly battery or limit charging to 90% 4.35v that would give you 2000+ cycles easily if the temps are kept below 40c of course
straight to the point. this is what i like to hear thanks man
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Bro which has a good battery life on a single charge. Li ion or Li polymer ??
It depends on the battery capacity and the power draw from the connected hardware.
@@TheHopelessGeek Bro if we get 3000 mah both li ion and li po batteries which will last long?
@@TheHopelessGeek because if we get iphone 7 it has li ion 1960 mah battery If we get iphone 8 it has li ion 1821 mah but both have nearly both battery lives so here battery mah isn't a matter 🤨🤔
Power draw matters too, as I mentioned. The more powerful hardware set on the iPhone 8 series draws a little more than the iPhone 7 series, so the increased capacity doesn't give additional battery life.
@@TheHopelessGeek ok thanks bro
Lithium ion batteries actually lasts longer than 2 or 3 years. They can last 5 to 7 years. Generally a Lithium ion battery retains 80 percent of its storage capacity after 500 to 2000 charges. My advice is if you are going to spend a lot of money on a high end cell phone. Purchase one with the largest capacity battery. One that's preferably 5000mah. This way when the battery is reduced by 20 percent due to hundreds of charge cycles. You still have a decent capacity left for phone to remain in service longer.
That's true, they do last longer when handled properly. But most users just plug their phones in overnight, which isn't a good system 😅
The power delivery part is completely wrong. Lipo batteries although less energy dense, can provide A LOT more current than li ion. High performance racing drone lipo batteries can provide up to 150C current burst. That’s 150x the battery capacity, if we’re talking about a 1200mah cell, that’s 180A of current. Li-ion on the other hand can at most provide 40C, that’s 48A for a same capacity battery. That’s why racing drones will use lipo while long range drones (much weaker) will use li ion batteries.
Correction: high performance lipos can provide 150C continuous discharge and bursts of 260C (180A / 312A) for the aforementioned capacity
I see, thanks for sharing that.
Personally, i prefer batteries that last long and have a longer overall life cycles. So i guess that puts me in the Li ion group. Specifically when it comes to phones. I usually have my Samsung phone on battery protection mode, because i would like my phone last me 3-4 years if possible. Fast charging at 15-25watts is plenty sufficient for me, anything slower is definitely a no no for sure. I rarely ever fall into situations where i need faster charging than that. Also, that would require me buying a whole bunch of very fast chargers to make sure i always have one available when i need it.. nah, thats a pass for me.
I can't wait till better battery tech comes around. We already see some silicon based batteries in a few phones now, 🙂
From what you said, Li-Po only makes sense if you are okay with buying a new phone every year or every other year.
If I was buying a flagship phone, I would want it to last for a while. So what Apple and Samsung are doing actually makes sense.
Yes. Also, lithium ion batteries are smaller and lighter, so they may have chosen it as a design decision.
@@TheHopelessGeek what about samsung note 7
That had a faulty electrode design inside it. The battery tech didn't matter because it was a fundamental design flaw.
Informative. I noticed the lithium polymer battery recently and I was wondering what was the difference between it and lithium ion. I already got my cell phone, so I'm stuck with lithium ion.
😅 we're all stuck with either one until a better tech comes along
agree with you, my il-poly honour smartphone is still working great pass 4 years already.
that's good to know🙂
How do you charge it? I mean I want to know how many times you charge it every day or every week
@@AbdullahMuhammed-hj2sx it is original
never change yet
Maybe u not playing games
I still haveig a li-pol phone for 4 years .. and still holding charge fine.. charging it onec a day in normal usage.. twice in heavy usage.
Some defy expectations, like my Note 8 on the original Li-ion cell since last 4 years. Still works and delivers good battery life😅 I guess this tech is rather unpredictable.
from my experience Li-Po really do degrade faster than Li-ion
probably around 250 cycles would equal to Li-ion 600-700 cycles same level of degradation.
this could just be an anamoly as my sample size is not too big.
Li-Po when new, is overall better IMO, but i think the reason apple and samsung still stick with Li-ion is mainly the slower degradation. Price sure too, but hey they don't wanna be known for selling phones that battery lasts for only 1-2 years either. 2-3 maybe.
I see. I've always had to replace my li-ion phone's battery every 2 years. I currently use a li-po phone. Let's see how long this lasts.
I can't believe UA-cam deleted my comment...
*Update:* It was not negative at all.
I was basically saying that my *realme 6* will be 3 years old by the end of this year. It has a Li-Po battery, and the *health* is still quite *good.*
It all depends on how you use your devices.
It came with a 30 watt fast charger. I don't charge my devices when hot and many other sentences that I do not remember...
Thank you for reading.
They do that weird thing randomly.🫠
@@TheHopelessGeek I can only hope that it's random 🤕
Well put-together video by the way.
All the best.
True, it depends a lot on your maintenance.
Very educational video basically answered all the questions I was googling for an hour.. Thanks..🙏
🙂👍🏽glad it helped. However, I still encourage you to do some more research of your own.
Alright I will
for some reason most people prefer Li-Ion over Li-Po and I also personally prefer Li-Po wayyyyyyyy more than Li-Ion.
I was even willing to use a lower performance phone with Li-Po which uses Mediatek Helio G95 instead of my old Li-Ion smartphone which has Qualcomm Snapdragon 855 cuz the battery is now like really really suck while my Helio G95's battery is still like 85% of it's performance since I first used it.
Li-Ion battery smartphones are a huge turn off for me this time as I tried Li-Po 4 years ago and my opinions never changed at all ever since. As if they just tried to make excuses to reduce their phone cost because Li-Po is said to be more expensive compared to Li-Ion.
Lithium ion batteries tend to be slimmer and lighter. Maybe that's why they're more popular on handheld devices.
@@TheHopelessGeek yeah I crave for efficiency over sensory perks like that.
Tbf a phone with "more weight" feels more solid and I feel better holding it as long as the models fit well
Yes, I don't mind denser phones either with nicer components 🙂
Li - Ion - Polymer are the smaller usually flat cells well suited for use in lower current / smaller devices. Li - Ion are bigger, usually the infamous 18650 round green cell, and well suited bigger / higher current devices(vehicles). I was unsure and did some searching that led me to two great sources of information, the other being wikipedia. Thanks and hopefully this comment may help others.
Thank you for sharing this 😊
i will take more battery over fast charging any day of the week(ofc i still wouldnt take anything below 25 watts) so lithumn ion gang...ig?
I see. The devices would be slightly heavier though.
My lgv60 thinq supposedly has a li-po and it sucks. The battery drains incredibly fast after having it for about 3 years. I even made sure to often slow charge it and only charge to 70% a lot of the time. I bought the phone new but it had already been released for about a year meaning it may of been manufactured a year before I got it. It has a 5000mAH battery but felt slightly worse than my previous 5000mAH phone which originally had great battery life but had since degraded to just good battery life.
Just today I started with full battery, by 12:00 it was at 30%, I was doing nothing but streaming some Bluetooth music, charged it to 90%, 3:30 it was at 30-40% again, charged it again, by the time I was going to sleep it was at like 20%. I don't trust Li-Po at all. Just a way for them to enforce planned obsolescence. Sure weight and safety are nice to have, but lets not act like the li-ion are some super unsafe tech. I have a family of 6, each have owned approximately 3-4 phones each. Never had a battery safety issue. Nor do i personally know anyone who has. Yes they do occur, yes you can find videos online. But in reality that's a small subset. If the trade of of longevity is worth it to you then by all means. But I think most people on average would be better off with li-ion batteries.
Also, if li-ion battery can store the same energy in smaller form factor then that's also a major win since it also means it can store more at the same size as a li-po. So every time you get a li-po phone you can just remember if they put a similar size li-ion in there it would be an even larger capacity battery.
Yes lithium ion are better for steady currents and smaller forms. But the battery drain you mentioned is quite bad for sure. The cell has certainly degraded. I'm using a 2 yr old li-polymer phone that has been fast charged at 66W the whole time. It still maintains good battery health, with at least 5 to 6 hours of screen time.
My usage tends to be on the heavier side, so it would work even better with a casual user. I guess lithium tech still hasn't been perfected.
my new mobile is samsung a03s battery lithium ion charging 100 percentage gradually draining
It depends on many things, such as battery temperature, phone's hardware demand, etc.
I have a nokia 6310i from 2005 that have a Li-polymer original battery and if I use the phone it will hold energy for 1 week still. If the telephone is turning off the battery loses maybe 30% per year. So 18 years old and still working well... Well made li-po last so long.
I see, that's amazing
The 6310i appears to use a NiMh battery instead of Li-Po
@@minukarodrigo No, on the battery is written li-polymer. Search '' original battery nokia 6310i'' and you can see that.
Oh, that's a completely different tech 🤔
@@TheHopelessGeek it is, can confirm as I've used mostly Nokias, and only a few Samsungs and motos
I just bought redmi note 12 it supports 33 walts turbo charging
battry is li-polymer,
what should i do to have longer battery life
I lost 2 my phones due to battery issues
Hm.. I'd suggest keep the phone away from heat, such as intense sunlight for a long time. Heat degrades batteries faster. Also, don't discharge it to 0% regularly. That will also degrade it a bit faster.
I think for a cell phone, price and charge cycles is more important than extreme charging speeds and discharge rages, and the little bit of lighter weight. Charge cycles is KEY, and energy density.
True. Most phones already have a safe charging mode enabled by default, which stops charging the battery slightly before its actual 100% capacity. That reduces the number of charge cycles.
That doesn’t make sense : how would a soft package (LiPo) be more robust than a hard case (LiIon)
According to what I read, it's mainly because of the electrolyte being a gel, which isn't as prone to puffing up as ion ones usually do.
From my experience using hp since 1990s until now 2024...from nickel cadium.. lithium ion... lithium polymer...yes the lithium polymer is the superb technology...i already use so many hp product from west to east country ..from hp size brick size until now thin size..no more inflated battery. .thank to the bateery engineering...your contribution offort to the word is appreciated.
Thanks for sharing that 😊
I think you are way off on your safety analysis: LiPo are the ones that swell and catch fire . However they are also technically “lithium ion” batteries, just of the type “polymer.” So when you see a soft pack battery , it is LiPo even if it says “Lithium Ion” on it . All Li-Ion type batteries have a hard case, not a soft case.
Hm.. but if they're essentially the same, why is it that some polymer cells have differing sizes and weights for the same capacity as ions?
I've owned several usb power banks over the years. Received some as well. Lithium polymer at least to me seemed cheaper to purchase compared to lithium ion. I opened a few over the years to see what makes them tick. A 2000mah lithium ion powerbank is pricier than a lithium polymer for the same mAh.. 2nd I got 2 phones from a similar year same state of charge kept where ever possible between 40%-80%. (I have ocd issues with SOC of batteries in general.) The lithium ion battery died and the lithium poly is still alive and kicking. We live in a hot climate and I always aimed to keep the temp as cool as possible for both phones. Both phones I got in 2019. The phone with lithium ion died this year.
I see. Yes, temperature plays a major role in battery health.
Which phones were those? Samsung uses a lot of Ion battery vs poly from Motorola, xiaomi, etc
@@erickfernando18 Huawei p20lite and cubot H3. The cubot H3 had the lithium battery. I could see the battery when the back cover is removed to insert sim cards and micro-sd card in the Cubot H3. That battery is rated at 6000mah. The Huawei p 20lite according to GSM arena has the lithium ion battery. Those 2 batteries saw very low or shallow dischargers cycles, 45-75% SOC. I used an app from play store to help me control cycles. As I mentioned before only the Huawei's till this day with it's li-po battery is alive and kicking
@@erickfernando18 cubot H3, it has the lithium ion battery, it has a 6000mah battery. The back cover can be removed and the battery can be seen. Huawei p20lite has the lithium poly battery at 3000mah, this info is based on GSM arena. Both of them saw cycles of 45-75% most of the time in the 5 years. I used an app to alert me if the SOC fell outside those boundaries and I acted according for both of them..
Pros of Lithium Polymer (pouch cells):
LiPos hold the highest voltage under load of all lithium batteries so they perform well in high amp draw applications
LiPo batteries come in many different form factors so they can be built to fit lots of applications
Maintains lower temperatures under high discharge
Cons of Lithium Polymer (pouch cells):
LiPos are more prone to thermal runaway when punctured or damaged
LiPo batteries provide around half the life cycles of a Li-Ion
Can be discharged down to 3v per cell
Pros of Lithium ion (cylindrical cells):
Li-ion batteries are higher energy density (Wh/kg) which allows for longer runtimes and lighter weight
Lithium-ion batteries are safer than lithium polymer because of the metal enclosure
Can be discharged down to 2.5v per cell
Cons of Lithium ion (cylindrical cells):
In high amp draw applications, they will have lower voltage under load compared to lithium polymer
They are round cells in specific sizes which can create some limitations to fit in certain applications
They tend to hold higher temperatures during and especially after performing a higher discharge rate
In summary, if you are looking for the highest voltage under load (punch or top speed) then choose a LiPo. If you are looking for the highest capacity for the weight (energy density), choose Li-ion. If safety is a big concern, then choose Li-ion.
Thank you for sharing. Is this info from your own observations?
As a person using an early Android phone with a Li-Po battery (Nokia 8), I can confirm that it the battery life is significantly better than my previous phone with Li-Ion battery
I see.
The danger with LIPO is that you cant really store them for long periods without using a trickle charger. Lion has much slower self discharge rate and can still be used if voltage drops. Lipo's can swell, explode and degrade much faster over time. If voltage drops below 3Volt in a lipo it causes permanent damage and shouldnt be reused. So keeping a phone with lipo battery as spare phone incase of damage is not a good choice. Lipo is terrible for long term storage and can cause house fires. Your home insurance wont cover anything either incase of a Lipo fire...
@@HRM.H bro in nothing phone 1 they used Li ion battery. How much sot does Li ion batteries provide?
True I bought a Samsung Galaxy note 10 recently to put it against my LG G8 and I constantly have to watch the batteries on my note 10 and I have been daily driving my LG since 2020 and never really watch the battery life in it I can confirm Li-Po has a longer lifespan than lithium ion because I have played allot of games over heating while charging and I am getting the same battery performance to this day. I have played PUBG and Genshin impact consistently running the phone hot in 90° F weather and the performance of the. Battery remain the same don't have to watch the battery slider I be having my phone on 15% and feel confident that it will last the next 2 hours that's crazy 😮 on a 3500 Milly amp hours battery running a 1440p screen and a power hungry snapdragon 855 processor
@@F4yaa me using a phone with a 3000mah battery and sd835 for 3 days in a single charge lol
Ion batteries last 2-3 years. Polymer ones maybe 1 year to 18 months. That's rubbish. I think pure lithium is best. In terms of charging and length of life. But few cellphones have pure lithium. Polymer is the worst choice in terms of length of life. It's rubbish to put a polymer battery in a flagship cellphone. If I see polymer in the specs sheet: I lose interest in buying that cellphone. Because it's disappointing to have to change the battery after a year.
Hm.. I see. But based on my experience, my phones have always needed a battery swap every 2 to 3 years, regardless of ion or the current polymer ones. Maybe it depends a lot on usage, charging habits, and heat exposure .
@@TheHopelessGeek also factors. I've never tried straight lithium though. I hear it's shelf life alone is 8 to 10 years before it degrades. That means it can sit in a box unsold for years and still have a full life when sold and used
Damn. I haven't tried such ones either.
I tend to prioritize longevity. Especially now that new smartphones have 7 years of OS updates
Yes, that's good. Pair that with EU's new laws on replaceable batteries coming in 2027, I hope we can have good smartphones again!
We want the graphite batteries!
Yes, it's about time 😅
lithium ion batteries are best ..
They're good to provide steady currents. But clearly not the best for high speed charging.
Lithium ion explode
Battery tech has come a long way, but it still isn't perfect. Yes, there are few cases like that of devices catching fire spontaneously 🧐
what is better for EVs?
Hm.. EVs currently use lithium ion or some other form due to their high current and compact size requirements. There are some companies experimenting with hydrogen fuel cells and solid state batteries, too
@@TheHopelessGeek hyundai ioniq 5 uses lith polymer
Ah, I see. So they're already trying out alternatives
Thanks for do the research for me 😂
I presented what I found 🙂
i hope you dont forget me btw how are the editors
They're well 🐈😺
im using a phone with Li po battery 5000mAh, with 120W for 2 years and the state of it, terrible, after playing for 30 to 45 minutes, battery went from 100% - 1%
What device is it powering?
@@TheHopelessGeek Xiaomi 11T pro
I see. Was it overheating constantly during charging or otherwise? There could be multiple reasons for battery degradation
@@TheHopelessGeek it does, though i guess this is normal. Sometimes i had it overcharge, like the phone should be full within 20 to 30 minutes, but i overcharge it for like 1hrs to 2hrs. But the noticeable time it starts to degrade is when i start playing Undawn, which drains battery fast. I often use my phone charging. I wonder if its the sole reason it degrade, cuz my phone doesnt have bypass charging
Yeah, charging and using it puts strain on the battery.
I still have Samsung S9 plus phone...
Near 5 years...
Battery is still good...
For example if I want to buy Z Fold 5 who have Li-polymer battery, what is the good in that if I must give 2.000 euros for phone where I lose battery in 2-3 years and must replace battery...
I think is stupid to give big money for 2 years enjoying...
Conclusion is this:
I must every 3 years change flagship phone if I don't want to open phone and replace battery when battery s weak...
yeah, our devices last much longer. Batteries are often the first component to die.
Thank you for the video. I love my OnePlus 11 with li-po battery even more because I now know that it can handle temperatures better hehe. Samsung are not only charging slow but they tend to heat a lot especially the EU models with Exynos processor
Yes, I hesitate to buy Samsung flagships because I'll get Exynos again 😭. They had a singular snapdragon version for all regions with the S23 Ultra, but the S24 Ultra is back to the old ways 🙆🏽♂️
@@TheHopelessGeekyou are right, even Samsung A series uses a los of Exynos
They're good chips for the most part, but heat up so much.
This is why people should stop buying them. Double standards are not nice for the customer. Very high price no cheaper!@@TheHopelessGeek
@@TheHopelessGeekgood chips? No they are not good because they heat up a lot which causes battery damage and faster draining. There is nothing good about it
I am running a samung A53 Li-Po battery and charger to the battery Protect setting 85% on days i downt nead a full charge and running 2 Year's + stil good charge
before had a huawie mate 20 also Li-po and it lasted 4 years withe stil good battery charge except the fone just died on me but battery was stil holding good and charging overnight to 100%
As far as I can remember, older phones, especially well designed ones, didn't usually generate as much heat as modern ones. That could be a factor for the enhanced battery health.
Christ on sale, tell me you know almost _nothing_ about batteries without literally telling me that you know almost nothing about batteries. I'm leaving it at that because damn this is a bad video.
This is a bad comment because this is a bad comment.
See? I can claim things too without providing any reasons.
Lithium polymer battery is good ❤
Yup, it's good for fast charging use cases.
Handle it like a champ lol prob for a year or 2 😂😂
Using my 100W charging phone for over 2.5 years now. Battery is still as good as it was, albeit a little degraded, as expected from *any* battery. This may not be indicative of all fast charging phones, but mine are still going good.
Proper video. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
100W FC is possible because phone has more smaller batteries. You can FC LiIon if phone has few batteries connected to one.
When you say smaller batteries, are you referring to the capacity or physical size? Because 5000 mAh isn't a small capacity😅
@@TheHopelessGeek few small cap batteries connected to parallel.
Ah, yes, some companies do that to achieve faster charging.
I'm comfused rn xd cuz some of the people says lipo are easy to degrade while li-ion are not & some other says the opposite so which one is better for gaming phone lipo or li-ion? I prefer a phone with battery life that can last longer & hard to degrade!! Please tell me
Battery degradation happens via charging cycles. More cycles (0 to 100%), faster degradation. Also, temperature matters. Higher temps will degrade lithium (both ion and polymer) batteries quicker.
Overall, for faster charging and longer use, lithium polymer might be better and safer.
@@TheHopelessGeek Thanks for answer
Anytime 🙂
What mobile phone manufacturers use Lithium Polymer besides Xiaomi ?
My Honor phone seems to have it, but now they've moved to an even better Silicon Carbon battery tech. I don't know why the rest of the industry is lagging behind.
Besides them, I believe phones like Oppo and OnePlus may also use them as they deliver superfast charging.
@@TheHopelessGeek yeah - my Xiaomi MI Mix 2 battery is still good - the only reason i switch in the next months is my banking app(need a newer Android version)....
Ah, yes. Those apps can be quite strict, for good reason
Lipo batteries are way cheaper.
I see. Does the slimmer form required for mobile devices add to any manufacturing challenges?
I just want to point out, calling them, lithium polymer and then denoting that with, LiPo is rather confusing to a none chemist.
I see. Is there a more accurate way to denote lithium polymer? 🙂
@@TheHopelessGeek apologies, I meant that in general. Not about your post in particular. So, maybe, poly(Li)? I'm no chemist, but I do know about the notating scheme, an, it just seems like, LiPo would be, Lithium polonium. ?
😅I see your point. Yeah, we should probably call it *li-poly* or something.
li-po is better, all my ion phones lose life my ion ones not so much.
My current Li Po phone seems to be doing good so far, 1 year mark. Let's see in another year of 100W charging 😅🤞🏼
@@TheHopelessGeek My current pixel 7 isn't doing to well concerning the 5000mah, all my Oppo, realme, oneplus phones are going as strong as day one. I'm a light user too and after a 8 hour shift pixel is at 35-40 realme 6 75 percent and also 10w faster charge. Oneplus 5 passed to mum still as good as new and at least 1000 cycles. Seems the Chinese have better batteries. I salute them in that regard.
Yeah, good tech is good tech, regardless of opinions 😅
Li-Po are also smaller
Smaller and lighter too?
So the polymer is better for a laptop?
I would think yes. Mainly because polymer batteries can usually handle higher temperatures
I was surprised to read that my nine year old MacBook Air has a Polymer battery,needs replacing now ordered one from Amazon hope it works out.I assumed it had an ion
I see. Yeah, laptops usually have ions.
i ll take money over anything
W 💰
Bhi mere ithium ion polymar hai
Ion polymer? 🤔 They're two separate types though.
very interesting 🎉🎉
🙂👍🏼 yes!
it's completely UNTRUE that li po only lasts 3 years. i've been using samsung galaxy a20s for almost 4 years now with 2-3 chatging cycles daily and it's still in 100% prime condition like new
as long as you prevent it ftom ovèheating i think it might last forever using qualcomm's excellent QC 3.0 charging module especially with its normal advanced undervolted 5.0v cool charging voltage
yet it might be true for mediocre charging standard 10w charging system since about 5 years ago i had to replace my 5 year old xiaomi li po battery due to swelling
Yeah, everyone seems to have different observations with these to types of batteries 🤔
A20s uses li-ion battery though
@@minukarodrigo nope. mine uses lithium polymer
@@dune2024 lithium ion polymer is a different technology though seems like.
Also Samsung never uses Li-Po batteries in their phones
@@minukarodrigo crap. my old a20s uses lithium polymer
just shut ur s+00p!d hole
you are wrong about many things. i don't know the source you get info from
My sources are info cross verified from a few online tech publications. Please clarify which parts are wrong, if you can.
hello
Charged greetings
@@TheHopelessGeek discharged soon
I've been pulling apart huge 10amp drone batterys..yes it's a huge 5kg drone and there lipo ...12 cells done as 6 cells in series and from the almost 20 batteries I've pulled apart I found that the lipo and the lion battery's have about the same operating range but lipo can handle zero volts in around 80% of cases but what stood out doing experiments with other chargers is my dgi charger (USB lipo mini 2)was able to boost individual cells up to sometimes 3x there standard range with monitering it peaked the battery up as high as 4.5-4.-6v and my flashy lipo multi charger screams over voltage if I put it on that ...also if u blow one up they go way hotter and harder and are out real quick unlike lion
That's an interesting observation. Which among the two have you seen performing better under higher temperatures?
@@TheHopelessGeek definitely the lipo ..none like heat tho heat really is the enemy ..one funny ironic issue .. conductive aluminium case if I try to mess with it in any way u get fun sparks and it's all wafer thin lions can be this way to tho ...
I settled on die grinder and super careful touch to remove the alloy and expose the cathode and anode for test charge and mAh test ratings then potential reuse with nickel strip ..but wow the cathode is almost to thin to even do ..
Look at some of the DJI tests they do (it's why I bought a DJI 2) by the UA-cam reveiws one guy shows a lipo will run till it's at 0% charge and stay in the air for another 60 seconds ..exact same drone with a lion instead will not stay in the air at 20% it force lands ..lipo is better ..takes more charge .runs flatter ..always cool before charge ..never leave the battery in if it's warm ..
These cells are 10mm x 40mm x126mm ...some have charge still ..some are flat flat ..the battery is a 6s 12 cell 10amp ..the management system is crazy good ..I actually just had one of my personal battery's fail to and it was just one cell ...thru the drone ironically after a rebuild of a faulty drone I charged and check the battery it was 100% charged and I looked in the app it had done 45 cycles ....the charged cells I have to sacrifice the main board and slice it up ..the flat cells I've been using scissors to separate the cells so when I get a decent bunch of tested cells I will refurbish some from the cut boards ..the solders are NEXT LEVEL HUGE like Impossible to desolder ....
Most of the cells that were at 0.2 millivolt are faultlessly coming back ..yes doing single cell at a time then a discharge rating while monitering temps with my temp gun anything that goes up I don't use ..I've had maybie 3 instantly swell up like a balloon ..I've had 6-7 blow the inline fuse instantly but that's its job ..I repair and rebuild big fishing drones the main dealer in my country ..these things are HUGE 1200MM in the air 17 inch props so I've been getting all the old battery's that failed and were warrenty swapped .. probably close to 200 cells so far ..more to come to ..
I see. Thanks so much for sharing 🙂
@@TheHopelessGeek all good I have a electrical engineering certificate but by no means an expert just sharing what I found and trying to learn by paying it forward so we all learn ...anyone have any tips for MASSIVE solders to desolder ...there's honestly HUGE ..around 12mm wide 5mm high and thru both sides of the motherboard ..the plugs are main power and signal out and they are thru a plastic case into the board ..to remove the plug I need to desolder 2 massive ones and 4 tiny ones on each corner to be able to remove the motherboard
Hello! Do you have any idea about the charging range for li-po batteries to prolong it's life
I'm not completely sure, but I've heard that lithium based batteries like ion and polymers are best maintained within approximately 60 to 75% charge in them. I don't yet know if this is just anothe battery myth 😅
@@TheHopelessGeek oh ty for responding! I used to charge from 25% to 95%
It won't make a big difference in the short term. But perhaps ideal for preserving its health long term.
maybe there is some more reason we don't know why apple and Samsung are still not switching to li-po?
yeah, there might be some lesser-known factors
they used it 4 years ago but not anymore which is terribly disappointing
It's because it's easier for them to make less durable products to gain more profits
Oh. 🤔
The same reason why Apple didn't use Amoled displays in thier devices,they are slow at advancing to the next cause they wanna know how to make the most out of it without looking desperate because everyone is doing it, which also includes making profits out of the in-house tech.
Informative ✌️
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So does iPhone 14 pro max use li-Po?
And what phone generation did apple first make the switch? (If they did)
iPhones use Lithium ion, just like Samsung
I hate li pol . I buy a li pol after its puff up get out some gas
Really? So far, I have mostly experienced Li ion on Samsung devices, and yes, they puff a lot. 😕
Maybe it was shipped over-discharged? I have a li-ion iphone 4 battery that's puffed up in my room rn so both lipo and li-ion can swell by overdischarge then recharging
I see. That's possible 🤔
Li-ion tend to puff up since they use liquid electrolytes
that's why some samsung predecessor tend to explode
If you dont acknowlegde the false information ill be forced to report your video and channel. Stop spreading false info you read on 1 article. Do some research FFS
I've presented what I read from the articles I found. I'm certainly no expert on battery tech. The claims I shared in the video seemed to make sense to me, that is all.
It's not sensible to think that someone who may have a different conclusion has not done any research at all. Maybe their sources were wrong, maybe they misunderstood. We're never too important to be disrespectful.
That’s a rude comment, and I think your report will do nothing
One report doesn't do anything. And there's no probable cause here anyway. I'm not promoting something dangerous, against community guidelines. Just a different observation 😂
Thank you so much...very well scribed and delivered!
🙂👍🏽thanks