Honda VSA light Diagnosis - Part 2
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2018
- Let's wrap up this weird Honda VSA diagnosis so we can give a recommendation to the customer.
Before making the final call, a second opinion is always good to have. Who better to ask than Keith "Identifix" DeFazio of New Level Auto!!
Enjoy!
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That's a badass tech support line you got there🤣. You are supposed to do the same procedure again with the brake pedal instead of the button after the button. But yeah like i said in the first part, it didn't seem like it would work. Good share Ivan 👍
U have the ultimate tech hotline with Keith, hope u did a vid with the chevy abs, all we chevy owners luv to see different vids on those, thanks for posting
Honda has had problems with the VSC/VSA system for awhile now. For ex, 05-09 Acura TLs with the 6 speed had problems with the VSC/VSA setting codes and being over intrusive. There was a reflash update that basically dumbed the ABS system down to all but the most severe wheel spin issues. Depending on the owners driving habits and conditions, that may or may not take care of it. I had 1 customer with an 06. Each time it said 'replace the module'.. The service manager at his Acura dealer told him that when he starts the car, turn the VSC/VSA off before he moves..That was their 'fix'.. I know your problem is different, I'm just sharing. Good vids, Ivan!
LOL I like their official "fix"...what a joke!
I GOT THE TUNA HERO FOR YOU, IT WAS DELICIOUS , THANKS IVAN !
Remember the days when cars had less software than the Space Shuttle?
Yeah...always being worked on, relied on leaded fuel to keep from grenading, got single digit gas mileage, 200 whp was only available on full-on race cars, 100,000 miles was a pipe dream...
Yeah, I remember.
Glad we're past those "good ol' days"!
@@thehuguenot5615 😂😂😂
Ok, you have a point. They were relatively easy to understand and work on...
However, they don't hold a candle to the comparative power to emissions ratios of the more modern, sophisticated computer controlled trucks.
I'm a fan of history, just don't wanna live there.
Great video man always learning something from you :) can never learn to much esp about cars
Well, not exactly a happy ending for the customer. Nice diagnosis Ivan. Thanks!
At least truck drives just fine. Just those pesky warning lights on the dash lol
Yeah, that's surely good. When the VSA light used to come on in my Odyssey it went into limp mode. This was due to the oil level being low! Add a quart or so and back in business. I guess things have changed since 2005. lol
Did you add air to that low tire or repair the TPS, had a hondoo pilot that turned off VSA with a low tire pressure....
Thanks for the video! Wow that's a big bag of cash!
Nice work Ivan
Rule of thumb before replacing a module. Always check your power and grounds connected to it.If they're not correct you could put a million new modules and still have an issue.
strange that software will get corrupted in a module .i would try disconnecting the battery and relearn steering .or see if steering wire going to abs module is not shielded from abs wheel sensor .because this is happening at high speed. the magnet field could send false signal to that wire. or check if the traction control work at low speed in mud or snow soon lol. thank for video i always enjoy that guessing
"WOW "Ouch 'wow" Thxs again Ivan nice job..
I too noticed the steering wheel is not centered when driving straight. I bet performing an alignment will cure this. You could also try to recalibrate the steering angle sensor with the wheel clocked as you are driving on straight road. What is the steering angle sensor position while driving straight?
Can you bring up the vehicle motion sensors on your scanner? Not the wheel speed sensors but don't they have accelerometer, like a Yaw & pitch rate sensor?
You missed a step when You had pins 4 and 9 jumped together. You first need to reset ABS and then VSA. To reset ABS with pins 4 and 9 jumped
1. Depress brake, turn ignition on, when ABS light goes out release the brake, ABS lights again, depress brakes again until ABS light goes out, release the brake and ABS will flash twice. Then reset the VSA button like You did in this video! Worked on 2005 Honda Pilot.
To do the reset for ABS (and yes you have to do that first) you jumper pins 4 and 9 together, and then you do the steps with the brake pedal as described, but for the VSA you REMOVE the jumper and then you GROUND pin 9, then you follow the VSA reset steps. Again you do NOT jumper pins 4 and 9 together for VSA, you straight ground pin 9 only.
Hey Ivan
Don’t post much on videos and replies. Just wanted to let you know if you replace the VSA/ABS module on the vehicle your working it does require programming with I-HDS. Launch or Autel will perform the “ All Sensors” function on the installed module. The module comes pre programmed with software from Honda. Just in case you want to do the repair for the customer.
I have ridgeline. that light comes on if tire pressure indicator alerts. make sure your tires are equal size and pressure. dose it mean vehical stabilizer assistance ? driving with a soft tire and u steer correctively may activate ........sudden movements activate it at or above 30 mph?
When it says check the the alignment it doesn't just mean the car tracks straight but the steering wheel must be centered when driving straight with the tires inflated to cold specs. The Honda service manual says the car must be driven in a staight line onto a level spot and the steering wheel NOT moved from that position. If the steering wheel isn't in the neutral "drive straight on a flat surface" position, soon after you start driving the warning light will reappear.
FWIW, If the problem is entirely with the VSA modulator, then the "programming" is the manual ABS reset followed by the VSA steering centered procedure at the end . A second hand modulator costs ~15% of a new one, a rebuild of your failed one is ~25%.
Would be interesting to see what chip is inside the abs module. Would be possible to reflash it from a good known module if it's just a software issue.
How about a software update or to reapply the same version if there isn't one?
Ouch indeed. I think I would try cleaning all connectors before the purchasing that new module.
After switching steering wheels f5om foam to a leather-wrapped one, and driving about 15 miles, the VSA light in my truck has been on. I tried numerous things, including those utilised here, and still no change. Steady VSA light, no exclamation triangle. The interest thing was, after grounding the #9 pin on the odbii port, an additional light on my dash illuminated. It took a moment to figure out; it was the fog lamps indicator. My truck did not come with fog lamps, and the light remained on even after turning off the ignition and removing the key. I said screw it, disconnected the battery again, and now we're back to having the VSA light on, but at least no battery drain.
Well, I tried the manual resetting doing the key 'on', then push the VSA button ON, then OFF, and wait till ALL idiot lights to go OFF...… It worked!!!! I took it for a drive and the VSA Light DID NOT come back on....YEAY....Thanks a lot
I have 2014 Ridgeline and having same issue with VSS, is that the same? Cuz the button for the VSA on this 2010 is in the same spot as my Honda?
Hi I have a Honda CRV 2008 model. I have a strange problem. Out of the blue, when light switch is set to auto on my light switch on the left side of the steering wheel....IN DAYLIGHT, backlights and instrument lights work as they should, but when it gets dark, backlights turn off and instrument lights work. TO get the backlights to work i Need to set the light switch to OFF position.. but then of course instrument lights AND farlight, the one showing with blue icon on the instrumentpanel ( I don't know the english word for it sorry ) that doesn't work. I can test this on the daytime with blocking for the light on the sensor sitting on the inside of my front window. I have a window wiht rainsensor. PLEEEASE help!
Best Regards from Norway
Did you ever add air to that low rear tire?
I think it was a faulty steering angle sensor itself. I have the intermittent error and the code is pointing to the data intermittently stopping on the steering angle sensor just long enough to trip the SAS and make the car run funny as it thinks it’s sliding on snow. It’s a 2015 Honda Pilot. I just ordered a new steering angle sensor which is easy enough to install (in the steering column), it only cost $77.00. I did reset the sensor on flat road and later I could tell by the live data that when I was driving straight it was reading about 90 degrees off!
Sir I have same problem vsa triangle and abs light is on a honda 2008 can you help me out turns on and then off no codes I drive normal one month then comes back on again then start the car goes away .?
I'm really missing the powers and grounds drill on the module. Just in case the module isn't being 'fed' properly, especially in the rust belt. Just asking.
I had a 08 Honda Accord same issue it was the speed sensor that was intermittent. Changed it and never had an issue again.
I have a honda accord 2008 Coupe and I can't get the VSA Off light to turn off. How did you find out that it was the speed sensor? Maybe I have to buy that and replace it. Please reply back with your comments
@@roybrambila4774 you can go into scanner data and see if all 4 wheels are responding, whatever wheel shows no speed that’s the one.
Was it just me or were you holding the wheel slightly to the left when driving straight? That could cause it, I would have the alignment verified before replacing the module.
Verified on the scan tool. Perhaps the wheel was not on straight, or it really did need a wheel alignment.
Are you sure the wheel speeds are correct? Sounds to me like one wheel is slightly larger or smaller than the rest, making the VSA think you are driving a corner and hence marking the steering angle faulty. Or maybe someone fitted an after market wheel bearing with the incorrect number of magnets?
Great vid
I have a 2008 Honda with the same problem. Did you ever I
Find out the problem?
Is there an option to utilize a used module?
Can Eric O. check for a J2534 software update?
Well done right on with diagnosis..at least the owner can still drive the car $1500 bucks a lot of money.
There is lots on the internet about VSA problems and the $2400 module. But one guy found a wierd Y-Shaped fuse for the VSA system and one side was blown. That fixed it. And the Honda and Acura owners believe it should be a recall. And are mad about spending $2400 on a fairly new car. I'm glad I have 3 Toyota Priuses.
Wow 3 Priuses! They probably use less gas combined than this "truck" lol
My 2005 has 200k and I've replaced a bad module in the battery 5 times. Takes 5 hours everytime. I'm too cheap to pay $3400 for a new battery. Ivan, you are a great analyzer.
Hey начальник, is it possible to recheck the VSA with your Autel? Or is this case closed?
I'm really curious to see what the VSA module says.
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wow modern cars are a pain. well at least you have the master a phone call away.
please video the clutch job on the Toyota.
Did u try updating the vsa module
Darn it! I was hoping you'd be in the area of PA that's close to me! I'm in DE.
People bring their cars from out of state all the time 😉
Identifix? It is a good platform? Cheers from Playa del Carmen México
had a 2005 odyssey with the same warning . reseted the steering angle several times and the light clears but comes back on . when i reseted the wheel aligment the light is been out for months . had codes: 26-1 lateral acceleration sensor. 83-1 ecm relation failure. 84-1 sensor logic failure. used the same snap on scanner.
Did u fix the problem
I'm a BMW fan. We have the same issue with bmws' it's called the "tri-fecta" and it involves a rebuild of the abs module. Your symptoms match the bmw on spot on.. angle indicator, abs tye-in the works. With bmw they have a guy on ebay that will fix them WAY cheaper than a new module .. to the tune of 50 bucks vs 800.. You might want to take a look down that path..
Thanks for the information, Mike! Wonder what the actual "fix" involves. I've heard of rebuilt modules for Saabs a well.
you can see for yourself on youtube.. there are micro wire leads get broken due to thermal expansion and contraction and to that the car's vibration- that is the heart of the issue. They simply go in and re-solder them. see here: ua-cam.com/video/bdWxl5MM4eE/v-deo.html -- I say simple but it's not do to the heavy use of scholastic resin that the unit is encased in.
1500-2000 nice round stealership numbers.
what about doing the reprograming the module before ship it to the dealer trying to fix bad soft ware problem .... the worst it can do is nothing its already a brick ....
Can the entire system be de-activated by some simple method?
Would have loved to have seen the install and programming of that VAS MODULE , Ivan my be it's time you start looking into programming for your customers would make for an even more interesting video and i know your customers would appreciate just having to deal with you on the total repair of their vehicles . Great video please keep up the good work .
8power0 from someone who programs it’s not feasible for most people especially to do all makes. Every manufacturer handles their subscriptions and pricing differently. With some the software is free and all you need is a short term subscription. Others you need the short term subscription and a larger one time yearly fee to download the software. It’s gotten a little better over the years but it still a pretty fractured environment. Plus, you can’t use all of the software for different makes on the same laptop because they don’t play well together.
Thanks for the reply , so could you tell me what models are free i am very interested thanks .
8power0 go to nastf.org and on the left side of the page you’ll find links to a page with all manufacturers subscription prices and a page with all manufacturers reprogramming information. Lots of good information there.
Sorry i meant manufacturers not models .
Thanks much for the quick reply i would like to perches a tech 2 of amazon just thinking could i be good with that .
well that but the brakes on that diagnosis lol thanx for sharing
Vsa light on 2005 Acura TL comes on ?
South Main proved the factory diagnostic flow can lead you to bad places.
Have you offered to replace it with a junk yard part? Is that even a option?
I just had the VSA come on today, and my CR-V ran rough. Added air to the tires..all fixed.
Very weird lol
Just pull the bulb Ivan problem solved! 💡😂
I have 2002 acura cl, vsa and triangle with ! Is lit since 2012- i honestly dont know what causing it . Car drives fine tho
i've got another use for black electrical tape!
Hey Ivan, Instead of paying the dealer to do the job, can't you just purchase the module from the dealer and install it yourself?
Dang! Way too expensive! I also think that's nonsense and would drive it as it is too. What an outcome.... but at least you were confident in the diagnosis.
Ok my civic 2009 has those lights, but also a handbrake light is on. And I barely have brakes. Will do a checkup tomorrow
Bummer regarding the module. Dealer has got you by the short hairs when these problems crop up.
Can Keith install the software?
Is it possible the tires might be the problem? Uneven tread wear. Did the customer recently change tires or put on a different size set of tires? Seems to me this VSA is more hassle then it’s worth.
Tires were all in great shape; truck drove straight as an arrow.
Just for the sake of asking - what if you've got an intermittent fault on the data bus lines causing this to manifest (also causing your OBD2 to disconnect over certain speeds)....
Sounds plausible but Honda TCS/ABS/VSA systems alert users that they'll stop communicating with scan tools at 30mph/50 kmph...
Also, a CAN malfunction would set CAN related codes in all other modules that talk to the ABS over CAN...
Fair enough; i was thinking along the same lines, then thought of the weird codes that were present when he first scanned it. I've got virtually no experience on Hondas, just thought I'd toss it out there... thanks for the insight!
Please, do not thank me!
Thank Ivan, Eric (both "O" & TCG), Keith, Paul...
...through their persistent uploads we are all brought to share & learn.
"I know what I know, and am constantly reminded of what I do not..."
I thank you and all who participate in these dicussions.
"If it worked before, we can make it work again"
Cheers!
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My vsa light came on because of s smash bubble tire causing car to shake around 55
Is it possible send the unit out and have it re reprogrammed ? just thinking out loud...
Not sure...depends on aftermarket support.
module? we don't need no stinkin' module!
Can you do the clutch replacement video on camera .. thanks ivan
Too late sorry! Had to knock it out and ship it :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics never mind keep it up
Sorry ivan thought I could help you out with the recalibration sequence. Maybe next time right. Lol
Sucks for the owner, a lot of money for an 8 year old car.
My exact sentiments!
Aftermarket re-pair option? .....Would be a good video if there's a alternative option rather than going to the stealership.
yeah dorman will sell you a shoebox , will still get the error, with the bonus of spending hours to replace it
More cuts/editing can go a long way towards viewer retention. Still great videos and I really appreciate you taking us along the process
ADR it’s a short 15 min video not bad at all. Most people like longer ones, no diff than watching tv
Short the SCS circuit to body ground using the HDS. did you have to do this steep? what is SCS?
Can you put a used module on these?
Not quite sure. Wouldn't want to open that can of worms either lol. Just let the dealer deal with that headache lol
Does the vsa and the abs work off the same module
Yup.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics that's crazy. And 2 grand to fix it?
$1500, I can buy a whole car for that much money!
for only 1000x times more you can buy a politician
I can buy 3!
Video the Tacoma Clutch Job, Im facing that job in the near future, Im just waiting for it to totally fail. Please.
Put a piece of black tape over the warning lights.
Your seeing a little glimpse of what the car builders have up there sleeve, just a matter of time.
If its a separate unit, find a You Pick It, get it for 25 bucks. 1500 bucks what a rip. Black Tape probably best, will that cause it to fail inspection.
Hi Charles! I thought about doing a vid on the Tacoma, but there wasn't anything exciting about it. Most straight-forward clutch job I have ever done. The truck was lifted 2 inches which made it even easier. Just one guy on a creeper and two Harbor Freight floor jacks ;)
Yea, it dosent look to difficult, did you use OEM, and did you replace rear oil seal while you were in there ?
And did you have the Flywheel resurfaced. The clutch only has 257,000 miles on it so it should be good for a few thousand more, and I drive it around 1100 miles a year. Thats 60 cents a mile just for Insurance alone, and I carry the Minimum. Time to call Hagertys and call it a collector truck, add it on to the Z policy.
Hell when you get old, and all your friends pass away, you got nowhere to go. Another day of sunshine is always a good thing. I think in 2019 Im going to install A Lift. I dont want to end up looking like Scotty.
got a honda oddessy 2007 first going down road and sparkplug flies out! and left particles in cylinder. so engine shot so that cost me about 2700 dollars with labor and low mileage used engine then after a month of driving yellow flashing triangle light goes on and engine barely running but made it home and there it sits till i put maybe another two or three thousand in it to fix that. oh ya ill get it fixed and send the got ham thing down the got ham road! happy these things didnt happen out in middle of nowhere! todays cars or trucks with computors that suppose to make them run better actually do the opposite! and then the cost of repairs then to have some other issue that everytime something goes wrong plan on burning a few thousand dollars on it to fix! got a 2008 dodge caliber engine light went on with red flashing lightning for code throttle control module engine dies on freeway so found out how to restart so okay spent 250 on the got ham thing for new module going down road engine light gone five minutes later engine light on again flashing red lighting bolt! engine dies on freeway AGAIN! pulled over got it started again go to autozone code throttle control module WHAT! so they tell me computor has to be erased because it doesnt recognize repair and they don't have code eraser have to find garage that has one WHAT? thought computors suppose to benefit vechile not create another gotgam problem! so ya git it fixed git rid of the gotham thing TOO! then go find old school vechile that can run on it's own with out a gotham computor yes it might eat a little more fuel but it will git there! 😒😒😀
There may be a reflash for that actually and would of been worth the 10 dollars to try. Figured the module would be expensive on that and a used one may be a viable option if can even find one lol. Very interesting case study
I'm curious if this module could be reflashed. Flow chart didn't tell me it could be lol
I would be curious too.
Buy definition the flowchart can only have failures the engineers thought of in the first place. The same engineers who's job is to eliminate these faults by design. Flash can get corrupted in rare cases. I'd think you are correct in saying the module is dead. Thanks for the videos.
Dealing with U0416-68 on a 2017 CRV Touring 1.5L Turbo. UGH!!!!!
Use the autel to reset the angle
Having similar problem when going on incline, VSA seems to go on, engine sputters.
What did you do
If you have the 3.5L engine, Change the engine oil and just drive for 3500k and before replacing oil. These engines are known for giving you sht for not changing the oil.
accidental car fire on an exec's front lawn comes to mind :))
I feel sorry for the owner, in my case, I'd drive it like that not minding the light. The only problem is when the current owner decides to sell the vehicle. He'll have to fix the problem or sell it real cheap. It sucks!
thats just crazy
New module and to calibrate all sensor. I know Honda’s , and btw even w the HDS which is the honda scanner interface it will loose data after 30mph I find that ridiculous all Honda’s suffer from abs modulators.
Mine went around 80k but I drive in heavy Snow and it was always being used so it had a good run. I Just eventually un hooked it.
Turning is important. This is what happens when you don't change your blinker fluid.
Ouch, Ouch and Ouch. That is a helluva lot of wallet pain.
ivan , maybe give us the definition of the acronyms = VCA ?
vaginal cavity agitator
Screw that $1500 id live without VSA aka anti lock brakes----done that for years on GM vehicles in there common ABS failure module
Darn, good try though. Electronics are so expensive it's getting hard to afford a new car anymore.
Buying the car is the cheap part. If you insist on every single thing working as advertised at all times get ready to spend more per month than the car/lease payment itself, or get a warranty if you can find one that are not crooks.
Shame on Honda for not offering a better warranty.
You have to Reset ABS first a than that Step...
I had the same problem on a 2008 Honda Odysee. I turned off the van when the light came on, turned the van back on, pushed the VSA button and the triangle showed up. Let it sit for a few minutes then drove the van half a mile. Pushed the VSA button again and the triangle went away. The VSA light never came back on.
The wheel is not straight while you were road testing
Nobody that knows how to drive needs this stuff, and for folks that do need it, bring the wallet or, do some off road driving and learn how to handle a vehicle there.
Then but an older rig without all the dealer installed crap.
The old Kelsey Hays ABS was good enough, folks are baffled when they get a new wheel bearing with wires hanging off it, but, that's life in the big city.
I agree with the driving skills part but, I will say from personal experience, electronics sense the onset of wheelspin a heck of a lot faster than people can...just saying.
OUCH !!! US $1500 for module-I would just DRIVE truck even with annoying lights on dash
KISS formula gone CRAZY !!! -what are possible drawbacks???
Possible drawback is losing control in an emergency/low traction environment.
IF people adjusted to weather and traffic conditions,they would NOT need "nanny options "
intended for POOR DRIVERS
who CANNOT realize that rain and snow plus traffic 'should" slow them down
The fact Americans seem to gravitate to big, heavy vehicles with a high center of mass, doesn't help. It's ok to rely on one's wits in a Ford Ka, whereas one'd need Ken Block-level of reactions to keep that hulking big lump of Hondoo iron in check if it steps out.
in stormy,icy ,rainy, or snowy weather,most turned over or stuck vehicles are SUVS,many with 4WD
so "features " like stability control, forward collision ,traction interlocks- just make TOP HEAVY
chunks of PIG IRON more susceptible to collision or upset
Hondas typical expensive parts + software and programming.
nice dianosys