Cattle Panel Greenhouse
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- Опубліковано 19 гру 2013
- This is my Cattle Panel Greenhouse.
I was lucky in that I was able to build this inside my shop...VERY tight fit getting it out my shop overhead door!
First, I built the base.
Each Individual panel was lengthened by 27".
Individual panels were attached to base then welded together to form a rigid shell.
Ends were cut from remaining cattle panels and welded to the shell.
A window and door were then cut out, frames built, and hinges installed.
Window and door were removed, then structure was moved from my shop (without poly) to present location.
Base was anchored to ground, then poly film was installed.
Window and door was then installed.
Temporary power run to greenhouse.
Shelves built/installed.
Entire project took about three weeks.
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About heat, the 2 best ideas, any size trash can w a fish tank heater inside and, a counter top water distiller has a fan & gives water!
About greens, try Swiss Chard!!! It will grow thru the snow outside! Start a big row in summer or fall and grow thru winter! Great job!
It may help you with temprature, if you brush off the ice from the roof of green house. That way more sun light will come inside and ice will not make the interior atmosphere cold. becasue you already keep the cold air off by haveing air tight plastic wall. It is nice job. I like it and thank you so much for sharing with us.
That is awesome the way that you have focused on one bed and are managing to keep it at 68 degrees for $6/mth! Thanks for sharing.
Very nice greenhouse! It looks like it will be able to withstand the winter there. I grew up in Ilion, New York, and I remember how tough the winters can be.
Brilliant idea!
Matt Mattus I'm not sure it rates a "brilliant", but thanks. I knew from past experience that a weak structure would not last. A 4-foot by 10-foot reinforced PVC hoop house I had collapsed repeatedly when subjected to heavy snow. Since the structure is not kept above freezing, it has no way to shed excess weight. If it was heated, snow and ice would melt and it would be a different situation. Thanks for watching.
This is an idea that I have never seen, here in Worcester we also get lots of heavy snow.
Nicely done. I applaud your analysis on heating costs.
Outstanding! Both the greenhouse and the video. Thanks so much for sharing all the details that made it so nice. I saw in the comments that it's held up well for you, no surprise because of the quality construction, and I hope you get many more years of use.
I bought some cattle panels a couple of years ago with the thought of doing something like this. I was able to shape them into a U shape to fit the back of my pickup and had no trouble getting them to straighten out after.
super nice. I will be starting mine in the spring. Will incorporate some of your ides. Thank you
Nice job. Took a good idea and made it better, then shared it with the rest of us. Can't get any better than that.
Love this idea. Have some extra cattle panels and have been working on an idea to build a greenhouse that is on an open trailer to be moved inside and out while the temps are lower.
brilliant design mate
We built a "Texas Prepper2" greenhouse this spring too six panels long. We have dutch buckets alone one side and flow rails along the other. Things are growing very nicely. Hope you show a spring update.
Thanks. I have an update I will post next week. Thanks for watching!
So I made a cattle panel greenhouse too and I learned the hard way when the snow fell so did my roof. I put some posts in to reinforce it and now I know. That's what I get for living in Vermont. You did a really good job on yours.
Sorry to hear that you had a problem. It is sickening when you look out and see them flattened; not to mention the mess of cleaning up and repair! My PVC hoop house would collapse each year, regardless of what I tried. Thanks for watching. Regards.
Having fun with this weather? I am running -23 to -35 F with the windchill...-4 F out of the wind. Shut down the heaters and lights today. It is a complete waste trying to grow anything in this weather. Yes, I am aware of rocket heaters, but even a perfectly designed system would need to be running flat out 24/7 to keep things alive...simply not cost effective. I tried to do a video today, but the digital camera would not work properly in these temps. Regards.
Nice! Good ideas, which complement the TexasPrepper hoop garden design. First, I like the cattle panel idea. I live in Austin, TX, and know the PVC pipe won't stand up to the TX sun--I may not use the greenhouse much in the summer, but it will still take a beating from the sun! If I DO use it, I might consider insulating, it, to keep some of my plants COOLER! The bubble wrap idea sounds clever--also, covering part of the greenhouse to shade it and using windows for ventilation might work.
. We went through a long hot dry spell last summer, with no rain and temps greater than !00 F every day for a few weeks. The leaves of some of my plants--even the top of a young maple tree--were fried brown! Maybe with a portable solar electric system I already have, I can use it to do some minimal cooling--just dropping the temp by 10 degrees could help.I also like the door swinging out, so I have more useable space inside, and the extra wood braces, and use of the vinyl instead of wood furring strips. We get some winds with up to 50 mph gusts at times, & I'd rather have the extra strength, and not worry about having to re-build, or, to recover the plastic.
The use of cattle fencing on the ends means more money & more work. It might be over-built for some folks, but I like it. I also have dogs--and one especially inventive puppy! I need to discourage them from thinking they can dismantle any part of the greenhouse! For my climate, the black pool liner would cause problems with mold, but I can see why you're using it in NY. I've lived in northern climates, and it is a whole different situation, for sure!
I bought some used Mexican talavera tile, (a red, low-fire clay tile) and plan to put that on the ground to have something to walk on. I'll probably put down pea gravel first. Nobody likes mucking around in wet mud!
I'm impressed with your ingenuity, with the inside extra insulated container & the use of the BBQ temperature probe, and also, the underground heater. Clearly, you've put a lot of time & thought into your project. Check out the programs, like one in Nebraska, using geothermal heating & cooling. I live in the city, and also our soil is mostly clay & rock, so the cost for me to do something like that--which entails digging about 300 feet of 8 foot deep tunnel--would be cost prohibitive, but geothermal energy is essentially free, once installed, and is far too often overlooked. Builders putting in new subdivisions could install it, cutting down heating & cooling costs significantly anywhere it is used. I've heard that in Iceland, everyone has access to geothermal heat, taking advantage of some of their natural hot springs.
Thanks for sharing your ideas. I've made notes, and will try to learn from your example, and save myself some time & unnecessary hassle. I'm shorter, and don't think I'm up to gardening to the degree that I'll need as much space, so I'm thinking two lengths of cattle fence for the top, and part of one more, to use for the ends, should work for me. Now I have a head-start, and I expect I will avoid many of the pitfalls I could have run into! I have plenty of extra lumber from previous projects, so mostly, I will just need the cattle fencing, 6 mm plastic, vinyl strips, some hardware and screws, and a working staple gun. I like to use either tape, or thin furring strips, in most places that need to be stapled, to prevent the plastic.from ripping. I might cut plywood for the north-west end of the tunnel--my house is skewed so that it faces south-east.
So, from watching some other videos, one side --and it can be an end, depending on how you orient your greenhouse--doesn't really get any heat from the sun, and would benefit more from insulation (and in some climates, a reflective surface) rather than as a light & heat absorbing area. As my greenhouse won't be very large, it might be good to make that an end, which will help to stabilize the shape of the hoop, and additionally, minimize issues with the polymer plastic on that end....We'll see!
Good presentation. Good job. We have a group of green houses. All basically high tunnel of poly tubing or high panel projects. Good start. Good luck. Dandahermit
That's awesome. Great tips. God bless you.
Nice job.
Tons of good, practical advice.
Very Nice !
... and heavy duty !
Loved your video. Great greenhouse. I'm in the South and don't have the snow. Great tips. Liked the vinyl trim technique. I also watch the Texas Prepper. Thanks for your tips.👍👍👍
Thank you for the message! I hope the information helped! Good luck!
Very good detail! Good job!
Love what you have done with his design! I have ordered his instructions but haven't built mine yet. I absolutely love how you added the height, added the panels to the sides and door with the plastic overlapping the door gaps. Thanks so much for sharing and I am going to check out that place you shared for the plastic. That stuff is expensive!
+Danna Hatchett If you have a local commercial greenhouse, check with them to see if they have any used film. I picked up a 50' x 50' piece for $15 in August. This business changes their film every 4 years, regardless. The piece I got is perfect and would serve well on any homeowner's greenhouse. Thanks for the kind words...Good luck on your greenhouse...keep me posted!
I REALLY like your set up! Very we'l done! Looks quite sturdy with practical well thought out design! I'm thinking the panels on door & end walls will help support the plastic in the wind as well. More I'm really thinking of redoing the my grow panels! I have 2 or 3 panels didn't use yet! Thanks SO much for sharing!
Informative and well-done video. Thanks!
Great video
Wow I am impressed. You did "Good" as we say down here in Texas. I'll be watching lol.
Great video, very informative super impressed with your design ideas and attention to detail. Will be building my own immediately! 🌞👍
Awesome video. Thanks for the upload.
Very thorough video! Thank you for sharing in such detail!
Thanks!
Kinda eager for spring to get here so I can putter inside the greenhouse.
Take care.
My sentiments exactly. Very thorough video. I’ll be looking at it more than once to steal ideas as I plan our cattle panel chicken coop.
Looks good. Like you, I saw the design on TexasPrepper2's page. Rather than paying $300 for one of those fancy tiny chicken coops (hardly big enough for 5 chickens inside) I grabbed some scrap lumber, a cattle panel (aka: bull panel, aka: hog fencing depending on where you're from) and chicken fencing and built a good sized coop for the in-laws for less than $70. Definitely a good, simple, inexpensive design that will house more chickens for much less. Now the kid wants her own chickens, so I'm going to build a couple more coops next week.
Very nice.
Hello from Orange County, NY. I will be building a similar greenhouse this summer.
You share a fair amount of useful info.
Wow you had a lot of good information in there thanks for sharing
Nice video, thanks for sharing
I have the same idea. I really like your cow panel greenhouse! It's the best i have seen on UA-cam yet! Thanks!
LOL...hardly the best. But it is sturdy and it does what I need.
First of April 2014 have 8" of new snow, but lettuce and spinach growing in the greenhouse. Thanks for watching.
The best one that I have seen! Good job!
LOL...I doubt it is the best, but thank you for the nice comment.
Hard to believe it has been eight years! It is still standing with no issues.
The 30-inches of snow I had in one storm late last year had no effect!
Regards...JT
Glad Im in Florida with my 6 acre garden.
Might try getting rid of the reflective material and wrap your beds with roofing felt to absorb heat. Northern beekeepers wrap their hives to help get em through the winter. Just a thought, no practical experience with it here in Alabama.
Very valuable video. Thanks for sharing.
yes very nice greenhouse. I am also following TexasPrepper2's example of the cattle panel greenhouse. But I am keeping it simple. I do like that door and your idea of seamless plastic framing the door. I was thinking to get some extension or more height could be to build a frame up about 2 1/2 ft up the wall all around the the frame of it then putting the cattle panels on top of that this would allow for a wider and taller greenhouse all the way around, but that would be for the future. Right now I just need to get my wood framing for and build the door and opposite end window and build the shelves and scab it with the plastic wrap. I also want to run some PVC to the greenhouse so I can have running water. thnx for sharing
EXCELLENT!!
In Northern Hemisphere longest side should always be the South side ! In my area windchill come from the west side most of the time so window is placed there. Door on the east side open out from the south to block out cold north winter wind plus insulated with bubble wrap north and west sides to to ceiling ! Earthen mound around the base of Greenhouse with tent pegs
29 dislikes really????? Can anyone say hatters !!!!!!!!! AWSOME green house
I would think you would need to vent your hoop house so it didn't get all the moisture and condensation to the inside. A small rocket stove mass heater or just a small rocket stove would heat it up nicely. Using a cement board panel at the wall behind it would keep it from melting any plastic. They are cheap to make and to operate.
I am in the planning stage in making my own design, but mine will be on a raised framework. I also plan to make individual window panels on the bottom area of that framework so that I can vent the house easily. Hard to explain, but it will be different than most. I like your door idea and i enjoy looking at all the videos to learn from other's builds. I plan to lay cardboard across the entire floor to mine and then a layer of compost or wood chips so I can grow in the house besides just raised beds or totes as you have or put down planters if I wish. I plan to make it 4 panels long and I like the panels on the end walls, as well. I believe purlins and a ridge plate are essential to adding strength to the cattle panels. I have a welder, but I have not even taken it out of the box in the past few months I have owned it. I'll have to sharpen my skills in welding or I'll have slag that can tear the cover easily.
Thanks for posting the video. I am certain I'll use some of the ideas I gathered from it.
If you have not, possibly consider growing kale. I have kale that is outside that is going through it's second winter. It will freeze and then grow again when it gets warm enough. I have some other kale from this past summer that has been hit hard by the deer but keeps on growing.
Nice work! Great point about snow loads requiring support. Do you have any problem with any of the wood getting moldy? That's my concern so I'm thinking of using metal conduit instead of wood.
Awsome!
I like how you built the bracing for the snow load. As for your soil warmer experiment, have you given any thought to using some solar panels. That could cut your electric bill some.
Unfortunately, I don't do much gardening anymore. Father time gets us all. Also, the cost to grow veggies for one person makes it quite impractical and expensive. The greenhouse now is used mainly for storage. Thanks for watching!
i have a 13x17 8 course masonry building im gonna put this on top and run tiered scaffold w/ an aquaponic system.live in Cleveland,Ohio so I may use perch for the fish and will most likely figure a way to get 6 chickens in there too!all that and a couple vertical wind turbines and its "ADIOS!" to grid livin.
Hey. Looks good. Did the same. Skinned it in July. The plastic (6 mil.) has cracked on one end. Have you had any problems with that?
Hello , nice video and very informative ! You had mentioned to get increased head room you welded 27 inches onto your panels, were these panels the standard 16 foot panels ?
peter bochek?
Hi, I was wondering how warm this stayed throughout the winter? Any information would be awesome! Thank you!
I had a long brutal winter last year with wind-chills to -30 degrees F. I gave up trying to keep anything going since it would have cost a fortune to even try to keep it near freezing. Simply does not make economic sense to keep it going throughout the winter months. Thanks for watching!
Nice job. I like it. could you tell me how much poly you used. How wide and how long. thanks.
Good day. I really can't remember. I do know for certain that I ordered one that was much larger than needed and cut-to-fit.
Sorry I can be of more help.
curious if your having any issues with the plastic touching the cattle panels? I live at 7,000 ft, and the sun is very intense here. Would think it would deteriorate the plastic from the panels getting hot.
***** I used 6-year greenhouse film versus plain plastic sheeting. The better grade material holds up better over time. I have some used sheets that are at least 12 years old! Thanks for watching!
What size plastic did you use this?
Great Video, I also follow ,Larry,Rob Bob,and Texas prepper2. I love it when someone comes up with a concept,and as people use it for their situations, update,upgrade and evolve the original.I enjoy youtube posts as much as i enjoy gardening and aquaponics.I also am from Texas, I drove a truck OTR for 20 years and have been to your area of New York many times. I love the Finger Lakes,I spent Labor day weekend there several years ago. Loved it. Ok keep us updated and I'm going to build a hoop green house also.I'll do a video on my build. also check out my video on heating greenhouses with TV rear projection screens on the roof.I got the idea from a prepper video from a guy in Florida cooking with one,So it may help with your heating issues on sunny days. Thanx, Cody
Aye, Maybe a bad run of poly from the manufacture?
Another question - did you weld the panels before you nailed them to the base or after?
I nailed the panel on one side, aligned the panels and clamped several places using Vise Grips, then nailed bottom at other side. Then I welded panels together.
I don't think it matters (before or after), but more important that panels are aligned.
Regards.
You related to Robin Williams?
How are you heating the soil in your grow box?
That was an experiment. It worked, but I would not recommend it. Thanks for watching!
I build a 15 by 10 foot hoop greenhouse using salvaged pvc pipe and 2 by 4's. Had to buy plastic sheeting. So far I have about 60 dollars in it.
I hope you do not have any snow load! I doubt the PVC can handle it! Also, PVC becomes very brittle when exposed to sun light over time. Good luck!
If ya had more plants would it be worth putting in better heat?
For where I live it is not even a remote possibility. This last winter I had over 30 days at or below zero degrees F. I can't even imagine the cost to keep plants alive no less producing a crop. Better to save the resources to fight another day! Regards.
I saw this video yesterday and tried to look for the vinyl trim used to hold down the plastic but didn’t have any luck.can anyone assist me what it is and when I can find it? I’ve used firing strips before and didn’t care for them.
I purchased them at Home Depot. Look in the millwork section...they have a variety of PVC boards and trim pieces. Good luck!
Grow lights in a greenhouse? Wouldn't it be easier to grow your lettuce in the basement with grow lights? But anyway, nice greenhouse! Thank you for the detail on how you built it.
Yes, if I had a basement. Gave up on the lights a long time ago. Enjoy!
Oh sorry, I thought folks in the north all have basements!
48” thanksgiving week 2019 i’ve been in New Hampshire for 40 years right about the same northern exposure as you but I’ve been told that if you go inside but with the back of a push broom whack the panels the snow will slide right off? We’re going to build one probably next week
Really nice job👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
That is probably true. Thing is, the weather does things we don't plan for. Last year I got 30+ inches of snow plus high winds OVERNIGHT. If the greenhouse had no support, it would have collapsed like several others did nearby me. Cheap insurance so I don't have to even think about how much snow comes down. Also, if you get freezing rain that changes over to snow, it will not shed snow no matter how much you "whack" it. Building it once was fun. Cleaning up a mess, then building it a second time doesn't appeal to me. Good luck.
@@johnwall259 Thank you and there will be a support column all the way across the top I especially like the little shelves he has up there❤️🇺🇸
Some of the locals around here say to use a 55 gallon barrel of water to help keep your heat up (not that it's only a local secret). The other idea I seen was use the forced air through a box of black painted pop and power it with a cheap solar power set up. How's it looking/working after some usage? I'm from Michigan and just discovered this idea.
+Medic Lenny The greenhouse is quite small to begin with, so adding 55 gallon drums would be counter-productive. I could fill the greenhouse with 55 gallon drums and it still would not supply enough BTUs to do anything. You will have to discover this for yourself; it simply is not worth the cost and effort.
Glad I installed that ridge support...last week had several hundred pounds of ice accumulated on the top!
A lot of changes in store for the upcoming growing season...check back! Regards.
+Kntryhart just so we're on the same page, the point of the barrel is not to produce heat (BTU), but to help maintain what heat you have. Kind of like a reverse of a cold pack in the lunch box. However I do understand your point of lack of space.
Yup, we are on the same page, but keep in mind the barrels absorb and release BTUs as conditions change. Have fun!
+Kntryhart Perfect! Looking forward to the updates!
I would like you learn how to weld, could you please give a few details on how you welded the panels together? What kind of welder, etc? Thanks
Hi Ed! If you can, learn how to weld!! It is an art. I can't tell you how many times a month I use my MIG welder - many. If you don't plan on welding thicker material (greater than 1/4"), an inexpensive unit from Harbor Freight might be perfect. I purchased mine from Northern Tool many years ago:
www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200441247_200441247
I also have a 220 Volt stick welder for thicker materials, but 99% of the time, my MIG welder is what I use. UA-cam has many good how-to welding videos. If you do get a welder, treat yourself to an auto-darken welding helmet...they are worth every penny!
www.harborfreight.com/blue-flame-design-auto-darkening-welding-helmet-91214.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiMjgxNjMxOTQiLCJza3UiOiI5MTIxNCIsImlzIjoiNDEuOTkiLCJwcm9kdWN0X2lk%0D%0AIjoiMjI5NiJ9%0D%0A
Good luck!!
Kntryhart
Thank you for the information and links. You told me where to start and that is what I needed.
Ed Tash You bet.
What do you mean it rains in there? I wouldn't think any water could go through the plastic. Condensation? how much and any way to prevent that? Nice video.
Pat, when he said "it rains in there" he referred to it happening when it thaws, so I'm sure he meant condensation because that is what happens in my green house which is also made of cattle panels. I'm loving mine which I a friend built two years ago. However, I discovered strawberries and corn don't do very well in a greenhouse so next year they go outside of the greenhouse.
I know its been 3 years. Are still using this design?
It is hibernating under snow at the moment, but yes, I have used it each year. It has held up well; no real issues with the structure. Regards.
Thanks for the reply
What do you call a guy that has dual timers in his greenhouse ?
A two timer
I live in Minnesota so I know some of the problems you are having. First, with a soft shop broom, broom off the roof so that the sun can get in better. Second. If you had an a wood stove, even outside and duct the heat inside that would take care of heating and humidity. In your sized green house it would take only 1/2 hour of wood heat to warm it to about 60 degree F.
Einstein had it right in keeping it simple. If you want more ideas you can contact me at conceptguru4u@yahoo.com. I work with local community gardens. Good luck.
Thanks for watching. For me, it comes down to ROI (return on investment). It is not worth burning $10 of firewood to grow $2.00 worth of produce. This greenhouse is very small, so just getting a wood-burning device installed would be difficult. I fear the greenhouse would either be roasting or freezing. I really tried last year to keep it going, but came to the realization that it was an extreme waste of money AND effort. It is early November now and I still have one cucumber plant and greens alive and producing. Once it gets down in the lower teens, I will shut down all greenhouse activity until spring. Regards.
Keith Lillis Wow!
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those are not cattle panels.....those are called "Bull Panels"......... cattle panels are made out of tubing like fence gates and such. But very cool!.....I just acquired a few panels after asking my girlfriend if i can have a few "cattle" panels she replied "hell no"........turns out i was calling them the wrong name too......when she found out i meant "bull panel" she was like, "oh sure" we got 100's of those.
Scott Bowers You are welcome to take it up with Tractor Supply: www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/feedlot-panel-cattle-16-ft-l-x-50-in-h
+Kntryhart They are cattle panels, all the feed/farm supply stores in our area call them that. There are many who rename them out of basic ignorance but that is what they are. Even the dairy industry uses them and refers to them as cattle panels so you are correct.
This is what we call cattle panel the fencing we refer to as bull/coral panel. www.ebay.com/itm/like/171146757459?ul_noapp=true&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D53601919689_324272%2526itemid%253D171146757459%2526targetid%253D87946127289%2526rpc%253D0.01%2526rpc_upld_id%253D54980%2526rlsatarget%253D%2526device%253Dm%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F171146757459%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526loc%253D%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D%2526adgroupid%253D%2526gclid%253DCj0KEQjw4NmvBRCRp_yu2bzal4YBEiQAWfjpJjamRolqUaShnjbzyKy8fc5UJlj4LfuKpdicwjpO4wcaAuyh8P8HAQ%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D896825008564&chn=ps&lpid=82
Actually those are cattle panel movable corral panels NOT what is commonly referred to as cattle panel fencing. The cattle panel fencing is a correct term. Southern states, home depot, lowes, tractor supply ALL refer to them as cattle panel fencing. Old farmers called them by other names depending on the animals they raised, hog panels etc. The picture you showed from e-bay is actually moveable corral panels. Way more expensive and something entirely different. I have and use both on my farm. I suppose the names could vary from area to area, but cattle panel is the accepted and generally used name for this type of fencing. Usually 16 ft long by 4 ft in height made of heavy gauge metal that requires a good bolt cutter to cut.
Well my point was i asked Carla Payne of Payne farms. A 3rd generation Cattlewoman and my girlfriend for some "Cattle panels" to her the big heavy 10-12 foot panels that chain together are cattle panels........when i asked for 4 of them she was like " no way" too expensive.......then she said "bull panels???" I said i dunno that heavy 1/4 inch stuff that gets smaller towards the bottom.....then she said "we hot hundreds of them....sure" we buy dog food at tractor supply, but theres better places to get fencing than the box stores.