MATT Fradd's thoughts on Bishop VIGANO, Schism and EXCOMMUNICATION ! (
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03:35 - Have a BOTH - AND approach
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This Pope condemns Vigano and everybody who stands for tradition but then turns around and praises James Martin, can you make sense of that?
You do a great job. Thank you, JD.
Can he be excommunicated and right on the issues at the same time?
That would be an oxymoron. Schism is defined as The refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the church subject to him. By Vigano saying Pope Francis is not the pope and the seat is vacant he is not submitting to the Roman Pontiff.
@@TheCatholicPiper I understand your point. What I asked is could Vigano be right on numerous issues AND in schism at the same time because he refuses to be submitted to what he sees as error. We are to be obedient, but does that mean we have to be unthinking, also?
@@randycarson9812 please read Code of Canon law 751, 752, and 753. If he doesn’t submit to the Roman pontiff and lies about the seat being vacant, should it not also call into question the validity of his other accusations?
Vigano is not correct. He denies Pope Francis is the pope. He hasn't been correct about anything when you fact check what he has claimed. Not only this, the McCarrick report came out and confirmed that it was Vigano who enabled the sex abuser McCarrick. The document is close to 400 pages and I believe is on the Vatican Website. Reason & Theology has a three hour video from a few days ago going through the parts about Vigano.
1. Vigano was incorrect about Pope Benedict XVI ordering McCarrick to not travel. It was a recommendation, not an order.
2. Vigano was at multiple events with McCarrick and there is video of him praising Vigano though he had reported McCarricks allegations to the Vatican. So he knew about them when he was praising McCarrick.
3. McCarrick at one point sent a message to Vigano asking to go into more of a retirement status as he was getting too old to travel. Vigano never responded. McCarrick was going to fundraising events for the church and wanted to be replaced. He was evidently a good fundraiser. Vigano had a chance to stop McCarrick from traveling and didn't do anything. This is one of Vigano's accusations against Pope Francis and we are starting to see how unethical Vigano is. These events where before Pope Francis was pope.
4. While Pope Benedict XVI was pope, a priest contacted Vigano and informed him that he was going public with his accusations because the Vatican was too slow responding to his complaints. Vigano contacted the Vatican and informed them of this. The Vatican ordered Vigano to investigate the claims to see if they were true or not. VIGANO NEVER CONTACTED THE PRIEST OR DO ANY INVESTIGATION.
5. This shows how corrupt Vigano is. His father died and Vigano kept his own brother's inheritance from him. His brother had to take Vigano to court. And his brother won $2,000,000. That is $2 million dollars Vigano was keeping from his brother.
Who is the real wolf in sheep's clothing?
@@TheCatholicPiper I'm not arguing that Vigano should not be excommunicated if he is in schism. What I'm asking is: can he be in schism and be right in his accusations at the same time?
Luther made a HUGE error, but he had some valid complaints, also. The Church WAS in need of correction.
See what I'm saying?
4th Commandment "Honor your Mother and Father". The Holy Father is our Spiritual Father here on earth as given to us by Jesus Christ Himself.
Yes, he is. So why isn't he acting that way? Sometimes, you need to criticize your own parents if they are doing something wrong.
But all other commandments are superseded by first commandment.
@@paulchacko4543 1 John 3 23-24 "And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. And all who obey his commandments abide in him and he abides in them. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit that he has given us."
@@meganne6937 I am talking about Pacha-Mama worship. How can we justify that? Then what about 'same sex marriage blessing'? I know that you will give me a ready made answer -
@@paulchacko4543 The Pacha-Mama worship has been debunked by a video that shows the truth and Pope Francis has clarified himself in an interview that he is against same-sex blessings, I seek truth from the primary sources in the Bible, the Catechism, and Canon Law regarding the Pope since these are my "ready-made" answers to your criticisms about the Pope.
1. Can. 750 §1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them. Matthew 16:18 "and I tell you, you are Peter , and on this rock, I will build my church".
2. “Personal conscience and reason should not be set in opposition to the moral law or the Magisterium of the Church” (CCC 2039). “To obey in faith is to submit freely to the word that has been heard, because its truth is guaranteed by God, who is Truth itself” (CCC 144). John Chapter 14:6: Jesus said to them I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". Follow the Pope again-Matthew 16:18. If not, you would be calling Jesus a liar.
3. Romans 1:5; 16:26).Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus,* called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God,
which he promised previously through his prophets in the holy scriptures.
the gospel about his Son, descended from David according to the flesh,
but established as Son of God in power according to the spirit of holiness through resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord. Through him we have received the grace of apostleship, to bring about the obedience of faith, for the sake of his name, among all the Gentiles.
4. Salvation is too important to rely on anything but the Bible and its Catholic teachings 2 Timothy 3 1-9: You may be quite sure that in the last days there will be some difficult times. People will be self-centred and avaricious, boastful, arrogant and rude; disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, irreligious; heartless and intractable; they will be slanderers, profligates, savages and enemies of everything that is good;
they will be treacherous and reckless and demented by pride, preferring their own pleasure to God. They will keep up the outward appearance of religion but will have rejected the inner power of it. Keep away from people like that. Of the same kind, too, are those men who insinuate themselves into families in order to get influence over silly women who are obsessed with their sins and follow one craze after another, always seeking learning, but unable ever to come to knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres defied Moses, so these men defy the truth, their minds corrupt and their faith spurious. But they will not be able to go on much longer: their folly, like that of the other two, must become obvious to everybody.
Dear Joseph.
Glory to God, and thank you for your efforts and dedication to Catholic apologetics, and tackling hard issues head on.
It is very refreshing to see new, young, zealous, and faithful members of the Church use their gifts and talents to evangelise and promote rigorous orthodox teaching from reliable sources, expanding on those and sharing both their fruits and consequences.
We live in disturbing times. The family, the self, the priesthood, the Magisterium, and the very nature of what is right and good, are all under attack, even within the Church herself.
Let us cling to Christ, our Father, and the balm of the Spirit. Let us chew on His words in Mt 16, recognise that he chose and ordained even the worst sinners from among His most intimate group, and uses even disordered men to fulfil His Will.
My prayers go with you!
What message does it send when priest who have done much worse go unpunished? It says that tradition is the only sin punished by the Vatican. The dogma of the Papacy is the weakness of the Roman Church.
The New Martin Luther
Are you referring to the anti-pope who has been displaying Luther in the Vatican?
@@askal31explain more
When you see Mass as a sacrifice of Jesus Christ weather you do it in Latin or English what is the difference?? You still put him on the cross
Lefebvre before him.
@@hervedavidh4117 ?????
Thanks for explaining this situation
Martin Luther taught that we should embrace excommunication and Vigano had this in his manifesto. I believe it was item 24.
Context is a thing.
Thankfully Matt Fradd checks himself now. He still throws seeds of division like catholics are infighting. No, all sensible and good catholics, completely stand with Pope Francis and everything he teaches cause we submit our will and intellect to the Holy Father and the Magesterium. He is completely clear to us.
The problem also with people who rally against the pope is they fall for the leaks and people leaking things against him for the propaganda of destroying him, 2nd they find him co fusing bec they like bite sized logos and take his statements out of context. Thing is the pope is not a politician and they want a savvy politician to be their pope. 3rd his accusers are all people from 1st world cou tries living posh lives so they do not understand and condemn the pope's social teaching (which stand by Church teaching) for the poor and marginalized. Everything is woke to these rich people and have made charity and love woke too so refuse it when the pope is open to it. Pope francis is not woke, he is just not a rich American republican
Mmh, no we don't have to submit and accept everything the Pope teaches. If a Pope said that women could be priests or same sex marriage was possible we wouldn't-we shouldn't accept it. That being said, the Pope is the Pope, even if he's a bad one. And accusing Matt Fradd of sowing anything, that's just wrong, and my friend, you're being blind. Only look into this comment section or any other video touching this topic or TLM. There IS catholic infighting. You can't argue that those who disagree with you aren't real Catholics. That being said, we must obey the Pope where it's due and even if he is wrong, but there is a limit as well (that being going against the dogmas), and so far Pope Francis hasn't crossed it. Let's pray for unity and repentance on EVERYONE'S part, we are all sinners. Godbless.
@@Kristopher-Christbearer yeah I’ll assume Francis is pope. But he doesn’t have authority to ban the Latin Mass. if he releases that document I’ll be finding a private Latin Mass to go to. And priests don’t need permission to say the TLM
@Nathan-vv8zz he does tho lol. You choose bells and whistles larpers over God's church. That's weak and inferior. No energy. Repent. You sound like a 1500 larper that was upset when the church banned the greek rites and implented the latin mass.
you can write to the Vatican but the Curia won't necessarily pass it on
Idc about the vigano issue. But Francis is a way bigger issue for all Catholics. For God’s sake the man is abusing his power and trying to abrogate the old Mass, which of course he doesn’t have the authority to do.
No priest needs permission to say the old Mass!
Is Francis even Catholic??
JD Catholic gave a great example with the teacher when we stand before God at judgment" that's not fair I wasn't nearly as disrespectful to my parents as my brother was I have to go to purgatory too!"
Fully agreed!
Fully agreed!
One wonders why Francis would excommunicate anyone? In his 2/2/2022 papal audience he claimed "no one can exclude themselves from the Church" and that even apostates belong to the communion of saints. What does an excommunication from Francis mean?
People would be better off reading the Catechism and actually understanding theb position of their own church, instead of blaming Vatican 2.
Our Lord told us that the spirit will guide the church to truth. I can't understand why all the fuss about "traditions" that doesn't have anything to do with dogmas. The gates of hell will not prevail against it. 2000 years and counting.
2000+ years of absolute failure for your cult's lies.
@velkyn1 The bible was given through that cult of lies, So you using a book canonized by an erroneous church according to you then the bible has errors. 👌
@@Phoenixmagnus The response will be that the ROMAN Catholic Church took over the true Church. And even put true Christians to death. blah, blah, blah.
@@Phoenixmagnus don't hold your breath for an answer😂
@@Phoenixmagnus😂😂😂 Nice response bro❤❤❤😂😂😂🎉🎉
I wonder what Master Jan Hus would have replied to the priest's statement about schism being bad while undergoing martyrdom. For every murderous inquisition there has always been a Hussite.
Will Taylor Marshall swoop in and save him?
“We must fight for the church not against it.”
The Catechism also teaches that the Church will one day come to a crossroad where it will have to choose between the Truth and apostasy: 675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth.
The late Pope John Paul II has identified the present as that time. We are in "the final confrontation between the church and the antichurch". Jorge Bergoglio has already indicated what's next in this war, he wants to take down the teachings of the first Vatican Council on the papacy in order to unite with the Lutherans, Orthodox and Anglicans.
The Anglican church is completely run by the British parliament and bishops even sit in the House of Lords, the Lutheran church in Germany is completely at the mercy of the German government through taxes provided. Bergoglio has betrayed the church in China to the CCP. The Russian Orthodox is completely controlled by the state. Once you bring all these groups together in a "synodal church" with a reduced papacy you have a religion controlled entirely by secular governments. This is the poisoned apple that Bergoglio is offering to the church, it is absolutely our duty to resist him with every means available.
Need to interpret the meaning of the above statement carefully- Church is not an Organization or political party or similar entity to fight for it. Church is the body of Christ and it's head is Jesus. So if at any instant, Body is not connected to Jesus, the head, then it is not body of Christ any more.
And also Bible says that [Deuteronomy 20:4]. “For the Lord your God is he who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies, to give you the victory" so we need not fight.
So we must stop covering up the wrong doings of church members. We need to have the boldness to tell wrong things as wrong and at the same time, have the maturity to pray for them and not worsening the situation by humiliating them.
As we know St Paul opposed St Peter to his face for his hypocrisy. Vigano is an Archbishop and has a duty to speak in accordance with his office and to call out abuses in the Church. Vigano has spoken immoderately and extremely. Yet the glaring failures, promotion of men whose moral and dissent fron dogma like Hollerich, Tobin, Sancheta, pro abortion members of the JPII institute of life, Tucho and removal of men like Sarah, Burke, Mueller, Pachamana, the promotion of ambiguity, homosexuality which feeds into decadence and clergy sexual corruption and the lavender mafia, the lifting of Rupnick's excommunication for sexual depravity and sacrilege on and on has all been the cause of Vigano's hostility. This pontificate has been a terrible one of a pooe who does not grasp his role and fosters corruption while claiming he doesn't. When opposition arises he doesn't listen but bullies and uses his claimed power to coerce. Vigano is a sign Pope Francis and the Modernists have crosses numerous lines. Joseph Ratzinger. In The Spirit of the Liturgy (2000), Ratzinger writes:
"After the Second Vatican Council, the impression arose that the pope really could do anything in liturgical matters, especially if he were acting on the mandate of an ecumenical council. Eventually, the idea of the givenness of the liturgy, the fact that one cannot do with it what one will, faded from the public consciousness of the West. In fact, the First Vatican Council had in no way defined the pope as an absolute monarch. On the contrary, it presented him as the guarantor of obedience to the revealed Word. The pope’s authority is bound to the Tradition of faith, and that also applies to the liturgy. It is not “manufactured” by the authorities. Even the pope can only be a humble servant of its lawful development and abiding integrity and identity.... The authority of the pope is not unlimited; it is at the service of Sacred Tradition."
Benedict XVI takes up the same theme in 2005, in his first papal homily at St. John Lateran:
"The power that Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors is, in an absolute sense, a mandate to serve. The power of teaching in the Church involves a commitment to the service of obedience to the Faith. The pope is not an absolute monarch whose thoughts and desires are law. On the contrary: the pope’s ministry is a guarantee of obedience to Christ and to his Word. He must not proclaim his own ideas, but rather constantly bind himself and the Church to obedience to God’s Word, in the face of every attempt to adapt it or water it down, and every form of opportunism. … The pope knows that in his important decisions, he is bound to the great community of faith of all times, to the binding interpretations that have developed throughout the Church’s pilgrimage. Thus, his power is not being above the Word of God, but at the service of it. It is incumbent upon him to ensure that this Word continues to be present in its greatness and to resound in its purity, so that it is not torn to pieces by continuous changes in usage."
Pope Francis is a Pope who violates the above. He doesn't guard and pass on what numerous other popes has taught but distorts. While declaring popes illegitimate is beyond Catholics authority. Pope Francis has a great deal to answer for. I pray God may deliver us!
but st. paul did not touch the key of peter..
A lot of people are overlooking the abuse of the keys of Peter. Unlike what Benedict taught, they are now being used to silence a whistleblower and to serve as an alibi for scandal.
Pray pray pray. Pray for our Church and all the clergies. May God's will be done🙏
The Concillar Church IS NOT the church
@@italiantraditionalcatholic2390
Agreed!
What's wrong with Vatican II? FAQs
1. What is wrong with the Second Vatican Council?
The Second Vatican Council taught doctrines which had been already condemned by the Church, and enacted disciplines which are contrary to the Church's teaching and constant practice.
2. What doctrines did it teach which were already condemned?
There are four major errors concerning: (1) the unity of the Church; (2) ecumenism; (3) religious liberty; (4) collegiality.
3. What false doctrine does it teach concerning the unity of the Church?
Vatican II teaches heresy concerning the unity of the Church, namely that the Church of Christ is not exclusively identified with the Catholic Church, but merely subsists in it. This heretical doctrine is contained principally in Lumen Gentium, and its heretical meaning is confirmed in statements of Paul VI and his successors, particularly in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, in the 1992 Statement concerning Church and Communion, and in the Ecumenical Directory.
It is contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, contained principally in Satis Cognitum of Pope Leo XIII, Mortalium Animos of Pope Pius XI, Mystici Corporis of Pope Pius XII, and in the condemnations of the "Branch Theory" made by the Holy Office under Pope Pius IX.
4. What false doctrine does it teach concerning ecumenism?
The teaching of Vatican II concerning ecumenism, which states that non-Catholic religions are a "means of salvation," is overtly heretical. This doctrine directly contradicts the teaching of the Church that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, called by Pope Pius IX "a most well-known Catholic dogma." In addition, the ecumenical practices which have resulted from this heretical doctrine are directly contrary to Mortalium Animos of Pope Pius XI.
5. What false doctrine does it teach concerning religious liberty?
The teaching of Vatican II on religious liberty, contained in Dignitatis Humanae, nearly word for word asserts the very doctrine which was condemned by Pope Pius VII in Post Tam Diuturnas, by Pope Gregory XVI in Mirari Vos, by Pope Pius IX in Quanta Cura, and by Pope Leo XIII in Libertas Praestantissimum. The teaching of Vatican II on religious liberty also contradicts the royalty of Jesus Christ in society as expressed in Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI, and the constant attitude and practice of the Church with regard to civil society.
6. What false doctrine does it teach concerning collegiality?
The teaching of Vatican II concerning collegiality alters the monarchical constitution of the Catholic Church, with which she was endowed by the Divine Savior. The doctrine of Vatican II, confirmed by the 1983 Code of Canon Law, which states that the subject (the possessor) of the supreme authority of the Church is the college of bishops together with the pope, is contrary to the defined doctrine of the Council of Florence and of Vatican I.
7. What is wrong with the disciplines which have emanated from Vatican II?
The 1983 Code of Canon Law contains the heresy of Vatican II concerning the Church, mentioned above. It also permits sacrilege to the Blessed Sacrament, by approving of its reception by non-Catholics, which is a mortal sin, and permits communicatio in sacris (common public worship) with non-Catholics, which is a mortal sin. In addition, the Ecumenical Directory of 1993 permits ecumenical practices which have always been taught by the Church to be mortally sinful.
8. What does all this mean?
It means that Vatican II and its subsequent reforms have given us a new religion, a religion which is substantially different from the Roman Catholic Faith founded by Christ.
The reformers have substantially altered the three main components of religion: doctrine, worship, and discipline. The result is that the reformers are promoting a religion of ecumenism in place of the Roman Catholic religion, which has always taught that it alone is the one, true Faith, and that all other religions are false. The Vatican II religion teaches doctrines which have been condemned by the Church in the past. It has instituted rites and disciplines which are Protestant in nature.
As a result, the religion which Catholics find in their local parishes and schools, although in name Catholic, is a new, non-Catholic religion already condemned by the Catholic Church.
9. Could it be that you are merely giving a bad interpretation to Vatican II?
No. The heretical nature of this council is confirmed by:
the doctrinal interpretation given to Vatican II by Paul VI and his successors in their decrees, encyclicals, catechisms, etc.;
the series of abominations perpetrated by John Paul II against the First Commandment of God, in the form of ecumenical ceremonies which constitute false worship, even to pagan deities in some cases;
the alteration of the Sacred Liturgy in such a way that the Catholic Mass has been replaced by a Protestant supper service;
the tampering with the matter and form of the sacraments so that many of them, but most notably the Holy Eucharist and Holy Orders, labor under doubt or invalidity;
the promulgation of disciplines, especially the 1983 Code of Canon Law and the Ecumenical Directory, which approve of sacrilege against the Holy Eucharist and the Sacrament of Matrimony, and which demonstrate heresies concerning the unity of the Church as their theoretical basis;
the scandalous mockery made of the Sacrament of Matrimony by the granting of annulments for spurious reasons, constituting an abandonment of the sacred doctrine of the indissolubility of marriage;
the fact that John Paul II is in communion with manifest heretics, has openly declared himself to be in communion with non-Catholic sects, and has recognized an apostolic mission in schismatic and Lutheran bishops, all of which destroys the unity of faith. He has even kissed the Koran, which explicitly denies the Incarnation and the Trinity. He has also publicly prayed that St. John the Baptist protect Islam.
The Only thing that Vigano has done is tell the truth its Francis and the other bishops with few exceptions that are causing confusion and Disunity. Vigano has done nothing wrong .
I drank the Viganò punch at first. Yes, he made many great points. But, in the end, his denial of Francis as Pope is excommunicable.
Denying the Pope is legitimate is NOT an excommunicable offence. His reasoning is that Pope Francis is a heretic, and so he would have no choice but to reject communion with him. We are not required to believe whatever the Pope says, and if he says something that rejects established dogma, then he is indeed a heretic. Heresy an schism are two different things. To call Vigano a schismatic is simply wrong based on what the term means. Vigano isn't calling for a different dogma to be followed, which is what schism would be. Nor is the Pope a schismatic when he say previously established dogma is wrong (that's heresy). Vigano could be argued to be many things, but schismatic is not one.
@@gardnert1 sorry you are wrong on this just admit it
Yeah, Vigano was always in the wrong.
He did more than deny Pope Francis.He was playing 2 face on the Maccarick case.
@@marcuslow1386 My point is that denying the Pope is legitimate is not an excommunicable offense. People have done that forever. It's not schismatic or blasphemous, it's just an opinion. In his case, he says it because of the way Pope Francis was selected was erroneous. He also says that Francis is a heretic for denying previously established dogma. There are veins of truth in his opinion there. But he's not in trouble because of that.
I am no bishop so I can not speak on a bishops stance, that judgement is between him and God and God has the ultimate say. What I do know for sure, is that there are dark powers at hand IN the Vatican and the Good and evil are both fighting for power ,essentially, over the Holy See. I wish I researched this earlier and more to make a complete decision on how I feel about Francis. What no one can doubt or neglect, is that Pope Benedict ordained A LOT of new good Cardinals from humbler, poorer nations to combat the evil,political, power hungry people at the highest levels…..he knew he was on the way out whether he liked it or not but he made sure the Church had a chance to persevere
The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful . For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as *Vicar of Christ* , and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church (pope is *plenipotentiary* means "fullness of power"), a power which he can always exercise unhindered".
"pope cannot be a heretic" is the centuries old teaching of the catholic church.
Vigano forgotten the oath he took in his ordination... The oath of obedience...
This is the reason for Vigano's excommunication.
A pope can be a heretic. There anti-popes in the Catholic Church. The bishops are in the the position to admonish and resist a heretical pope. Remember St. Paul admonishing St. Peter.
“If a future Pope teaches anything contrary to the Catholic Faith, do not follow him.” Pope Pius IX
As a non Catholic, I sort of disagree to an extent. I think there's an important concept of Equal Justice under the law, and if you're applying punishment to some, and not to others, for whatever reason (often it's political), then you lose a lot of legitimacy in the court of the public. Unless there's some obvious reason like "there's so many people committing this offense, we can only feasibly deal with a small percentage".
Technically, it seems to me that the Bishop is clearly in the wrong, however, if they aren't excommunicating people for the same or similar offenses,then any curious and rational person will wonder why. Well... why?
Law, or canon law?
Courts cannot hold trial on everyone at once and Vigano is a huge voice to radical traditionalists in their own schismatic beliefs.
Vigano has started an illicit seminary, sent priests into the territory of other bishops, was reordained by sedevacantists...
Yeah Vigano is a huge problem
Throughout the ages within Tradition (true church) all the Holy popes reiterated the main premise against every heresy, "Teach nothing new" and "No (new) Innovations. "
When I hear the claim of “what about the others…” it appears so adolescent and your analogy is spot on! Thank you!
Little bit of schadenfreude for Matt Fradd too.
Agreed, and thanks for the new word.
I apparently have missed Vigano's denial of Francis being the Pope. If he has, I disagree with him on that.
However, I disagree with JD and Fradd being okay with the double standards by Pope Francis where his buddies can promote evil but if you oppose his heretical statements you are penalized. Why are James Martin and Rupnik encouraged to promote and/or commit sin against the 6th Commandment and that is fine with Pope Francis? By supporting such sin, isn't such support itself sinful?
One example of what looks like heresy by Pope Francis is when he said God wanted many religions. How can that be true when Jesus prayed for unity in His Church? Not a heresy, but how can Pope Francis claim Biden and Pelosy are "good Catholics" when they promote murder by abortion and IVF?
Prayers for all the above!
vigano speaks in a prideful manner very similar to fr Altman. If they are ex communicated I would not disagree with the decision.
Bergoglio condones James Martin. Do you agree with that?
@@andrewangelopacheco9960 do you like schism?
One question this video doesn't address is WHO is creating division? Because surely it matters, whether it is Archbishop Vigano or Pope Francis who has created division by making contradictory statements.
History will be a lot kinder to Vigano than the folks in this video. Dante, a writer of unmatched brilliance and spiritual insight, had some historical popes in hell in his "Inferno". Just saying.
It is BERGOGLIO who has, and is, destroying unity in the church.
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The problem in my view is ,yes Viva no isn't following the Magisterium,but why aren't Rupnik,Martin Becciu and so many others in the Vatican allowed to stay in the church after flagrant abuses,and our Pope completely ignores it or sometimes complements their behavior! Most Catholics including myself want to stand by the Pontiff but fairness and justice need to be used in all cases no matter what side your on!
Great video! Shout stronger for the one on the back!
What would a bishop expect to accomplish by going up against a pope? The bishop knows he doesn't have the same authority. So what is it supposed to lead to?
Papa Francis W
There have been many bishops who have asked privately for Pope Francis for clarity on many issues with no success. Very sad.
"Devil" from the Greek diabolos can be translated as "to divide" or "to throw against". In contrast, Christ called us to UNITY, "that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." Catholics must stay strong in our love of God and obedience to the Magesterium. Reject the arrogance and schism of self-appointed authorities who sow division in the Church!
All must submit to Rome
Why submit to Rome, when one should be submitting to Christ?.....
All must submit to Christ. Including Rome.
@@louisvega-oe2sc Because to be Catholic we are to submit to the pope. This is Canon Law 751. Submitting to Christ is done by submitting to the pope per Luke 10:16. The pope cannot lead souls to hell or teach heresy or the gates of hell have prevailed against the church per Matthew 16:18-19. Vigano is being excommunicted because he turned sedevacantist, he denied Pope Francis was the pope. One cannot submit to a pope they do not believe is the pope. What you are saying, submitting to Christ, is Protestantism. This allows you to define what submitting to Christ means and thus you would be making yourself pope.
@@timothyjackson4653 Pope Francis submits to Christ. The church applies Luke 10:16 to the pope, "He who hears you hears me." This is Catholic traditional teaching and is seen in the Sixth and Eight Ecumenical Councils, Trent, Vatican I and Vatican II. This is the very basis for the pope being able to be infallible. If he can teach heresy, he cannot ever teach infallibly and is no different than a Protestant minister.
@@paulmualdeave5063 The rules on their own do not constitute an alibi.
So unfortunate....Saint Paul warns of Dissension several times & Christ our Lord prays in John 17 that we are to be one as the Lord Himself, the Son of God is One w/ the Father.
Those who condemn or don't accept the Pope, they are Dissenting Protestants & not Catholic
Perhaps you missed the passage in Galatians where St. Paul discusses his dispute with St. Peter and says that he was to be blamed, Galatians 2:11?
Does criticizing the Pope and questioning the consistently horrendous decisions he makes now make you a Protestant?
@@andrewrolwes6034 say what? Do you not understand Catholic doctrine & Dogma? If the Pope says something that is not ex cathedra, speaking infallibly, you can disagree, such as in an interview. Maybe read my comment over
A couple of doctors of canon law have told us that this man is not a pope. What is your level of study in that field to be able to competently judge us and them or are you just stampeding with the herd? It's true that that play often works out well enough but there were plenty of cases in church history where it didn't.
A person who thoughtfully considers historical events of the last few decades should be able to see that some sketchy things have happened with Vatileaks, with the pedophilia and seminarian abuse scandals, cocaine orgies hosted by cardinals who are still actively serving Bergoglio. Bergoglio being best friends with an alleged child trafficker whose main witness was murdered two weeks before she could testify. There are clearly criminal elements at play and it is not likely they followed all the rules in their lust for power.
What happened to all the accompaniment Mercy and synodalty
Unfortunately my dad was caught up in Vigano's anti-globalist spiel and all his opinions that went against the covid narrative. That also included unsavory comments about Pope Francis to which my dad started to agree with.
Oh so your dad was smart during the paaaaaanDeMiC then? Lol
@@truthnotlies Excuse you?
Team Dad!
Sad to see your making a false claim that this decision came from the Majestiarium of the church, rather it came from the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, this is a huge difference.
The Majestiarium is the Bishops In communion with the Pope, the bishops collectively hold teaching authority. This includes bishops in their dioceses and as part of ecumenical councils.
I need to call out non theologians make false statements.
When people say that schism and defiance is justified because of "complex times", run the other way. Schism is a sin. Such justification cannot be used for any sin.
If a monk takes a vow of poverty, he cannot hoard gold because of the complexities of our times. Breaking his vow is considered a sacrilege in addition to greed. Likewise, the vow of obedience needs to be seen in the same light. Breaking it is a sacrilege. We cannot be asked to sin because we must be obedient to God first. But all these people breaking their vows have not been asked by their leaders to sin. They have fallen into a deception of self-righteousness and pride. God help them and us all.
Either the Archbishop is mad or he is telling the truth . Do you think he will make empty statements without being able to back it up ? Wake up.
Protestant Church was recognized by Rome Catholic Church as a brother in faith, namely the CHURCH OF CHRIST, not heresy (KV2 ) ...
IF the anathema against M. Luther was heresy, of course Rome Catholic Church would refuse to recognize M. Luther / Protestan as a brother in faith because it deviated from the truth of the Bible, on the other hand, if the anathema because it was not in accordance with the rules of the Rome Catholic Church , but still in accordance with the truth of the Bible, then Rome Catholic Church would still recognize Protestan as a brother in the faith (Church of Christ). ... which one is correct?
Different Cases from Arius - Jehovah's Witness / Sabelius - Pentecostal Oneness who was anathema because against the Bible (rejecting Trinitarian God) so They was not recognized as a brother in the faith / not the Church of Christ.
I see that Bishop Vigano's case is similar to Martin Luther's case, he was excommunicated/ heresy just for going against GKR rules ??
The sensible catholic should stand firm with the legitimate successor of Saint Peter on whom Jesus built His Church rather than following a Martin Luther II.
Read the full text of Vigano’s statement in Lifesite News. DONT just pick out the statement he wears the accusation with a badge of honor. He explains himself more deeply, IN HIS OWN WORDS!
He denies that Pope Francis is the pope. That is schismatic and by his own words. It is indefensible. For those who think schism is okay, well then no argument will work against it. But the Church teaches that it is a sin.
Obedience , is part of his vow, that’s why
I stand with the Vicar of Christ! Long Live Christ the KIng! Down with Schismatics!
Who believes we are in The End Times? What will happen in The End Times? One-World Religion? Does it look like The Holy Catholic Church is flailing? Should we be "concerned"? Is ABP Vigano "concerned" about this? Why?
There's always been disciples of satan like vigano in church history
Let us continue to pray for Pope Francis, the successor of St. Peter. May God give him good health and long life to lead the church.
A balanced summary, thankyou
They are misusing the term Magisterium.
As an American, I have found far too many podcasters supporting Vigano. If you support him, I cannot listen or support you. I believe in the Holy Catholic Church and I support the Holy Father. Actually I pray for them including Vigano. I pray that Vigano lays down his pride, repents, and asks the Holy See to remove his excommunication. 🙏🙏🙏
You are one of the best new Catholic channels on UA-cam. Appreciate you
@@andrewangelopacheco9960
Agreed!
What's wrong with Vatican II? FAQs
1. What is wrong with the Second Vatican Council?
The Second Vatican Council taught doctrines which had been already condemned by the Church, and enacted disciplines which are contrary to the Church's teaching and constant practice.
2. What doctrines did it teach which were already condemned?
There are four major errors concerning: (1) the unity of the Church; (2) ecumenism; (3) religious liberty; (4) collegiality.
3. What false doctrine does it teach concerning the unity of the Church?
Vatican II teaches heresy concerning the unity of the Church, namely that the Church of Christ is not exclusively identified with the Catholic Church, but merely subsists in it. This heretical doctrine is contained principally in Lumen Gentium, and its heretical meaning is confirmed in statements of Paul VI and his successors, particularly in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, in the 1992 Statement concerning Church and Communion, and in the Ecumenical Directory.
It is contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, contained principally in Satis Cognitum of Pope Leo XIII, Mortalium Animos of Pope Pius XI, Mystici Corporis of Pope Pius XII, and in the condemnations of the "Branch Theory" made by the Holy Office under Pope Pius IX.
4. What false doctrine does it teach concerning ecumenism?
The teaching of Vatican II concerning ecumenism, which states that non-Catholic religions are a "means of salvation," is overtly heretical. This doctrine directly contradicts the teaching of the Church that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, called by Pope Pius IX "a most well-known Catholic dogma." In addition, the ecumenical practices which have resulted from this heretical doctrine are directly contrary to Mortalium Animos of Pope Pius XI.
5. What false doctrine does it teach concerning religious liberty?
The teaching of Vatican II on religious liberty, contained in Dignitatis Humanae, nearly word for word asserts the very doctrine which was condemned by Pope Pius VII in Post Tam Diuturnas, by Pope Gregory XVI in Mirari Vos, by Pope Pius IX in Quanta Cura, and by Pope Leo XIII in Libertas Praestantissimum. The teaching of Vatican II on religious liberty also contradicts the royalty of Jesus Christ in society as expressed in Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI, and the constant attitude and practice of the Church with regard to civil society.
6. What false doctrine does it teach concerning collegiality?
The teaching of Vatican II concerning collegiality alters the monarchical constitution of the Catholic Church, with which she was endowed by the Divine Savior. The doctrine of Vatican II, confirmed by the 1983 Code of Canon Law, which states that the subject (the possessor) of the supreme authority of the Church is the college of bishops together with the pope, is contrary to the defined doctrine of the Council of Florence and of Vatican I.
7. What is wrong with the disciplines which have emanated from Vatican II?
The 1983 Code of Canon Law contains the heresy of Vatican II concerning the Church, mentioned above. It also permits sacrilege to the Blessed Sacrament, by approving of its reception by non-Catholics, which is a mortal sin, and permits communicatio in sacris (common public worship) with non-Catholics, which is a mortal sin. In addition, the Ecumenical Directory of 1993 permits ecumenical practices which have always been taught by the Church to be mortally sinful.
8. What does all this mean?
It means that Vatican II and its subsequent reforms have given us a new religion, a religion which is substantially different from the Roman Catholic Faith founded by Christ.
The reformers have substantially altered the three main components of religion: doctrine, worship, and discipline. The result is that the reformers are promoting a religion of ecumenism in place of the Roman Catholic religion, which has always taught that it alone is the one, true Faith, and that all other religions are false. The Vatican II religion teaches doctrines which have been condemned by the Church in the past. It has instituted rites and disciplines which are Protestant in nature.
As a result, the religion which Catholics find in their local parishes and schools, although in name Catholic, is a new, non-Catholic religion already condemned by the Catholic Church.
9. Could it be that you are merely giving a bad interpretation to Vatican II?
No. The heretical nature of this council is confirmed by:
the doctrinal interpretation given to Vatican II by Paul VI and his successors in their decrees, encyclicals, catechisms, etc.;
the series of abominations perpetrated by John Paul II against the First Commandment of God, in the form of ecumenical ceremonies which constitute false worship, even to pagan deities in some cases;
the alteration of the Sacred Liturgy in such a way that the Catholic Mass has been replaced by a Protestant supper service;
the tampering with the matter and form of the sacraments so that many of them, but most notably the Holy Eucharist and Holy Orders, labor under doubt or invalidity;
the promulgation of disciplines, especially the 1983 Code of Canon Law and the Ecumenical Directory, which approve of sacrilege against the Holy Eucharist and the Sacrament of Matrimony, and which demonstrate heresies concerning the unity of the Church as their theoretical basis;
the scandalous mockery made of the Sacrament of Matrimony by the granting of annulments for spurious reasons, constituting an abandonment of the sacred doctrine of the indissolubility of marriage;
the fact that John Paul II is in communion with manifest heretics, has openly declared himself to be in communion with non-Catholic sects, and has recognized an apostolic mission in schismatic and Lutheran bishops, all of which destroys the unity of faith. He has even kissed the Koran, which explicitly denies the Incarnation and the Trinity. He has also publicly prayed that St. John the Baptist protect Islam.
Is this a matter of accountability or bigotry? The magisterial authority of the Holy See is not intended to provide impunity in scandal.
The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful . For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as *Vicar of Christ* , and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church (pope is *plenipotentiary* means "fullness of power"), a power which he can always exercise unhindered".
"pope cannot be a heretic" is the centuries old teaching of the catholic church.
Vigano forgotten the oath he took in his ordination... The oath of obedience...
This is the reason for Vigano's excommunication
@@jineshfrancisall of that does not constitute an alibi for Pope Francis forgetting his vows
@@timothyjackson4653what does a prot like you care anyway?
Nobody pretends everything is fine. Just like we should not pretend all is bad. The Church is the Body of Christ, which bears the sins of the world. And the worst thing we can do is to judge each other, but we need to call each other to the Gospel. Vigano has said many important things. But openly accusing the Pope as basically being satan or the like. Even as a conservative Catholic I have not sympathy for that.
He can start his own church as a pastor outside the catholic; we don't care. You cannot be in Catholic and not recognize the leader Pope Francis.
What's wrong with Vatican II? FAQs
1. What is wrong with the Second Vatican Council?
The Second Vatican Council taught doctrines which had been already condemned by the Church, and enacted disciplines which are contrary to the Church's teaching and constant practice.
2. What doctrines did it teach which were already condemned?
There are four major errors concerning: (1) the unity of the Church; (2) ecumenism; (3) religious liberty; (4) collegiality.
3. What false doctrine does it teach concerning the unity of the Church?
Vatican II teaches heresy concerning the unity of the Church, namely that the Church of Christ is not exclusively identified with the Catholic Church, but merely subsists in it. This heretical doctrine is contained principally in Lumen Gentium, and its heretical meaning is confirmed in statements of Paul VI and his successors, particularly in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, in the 1992 Statement concerning Church and Communion, and in the Ecumenical Directory.
It is contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, contained principally in Satis Cognitum of Pope Leo XIII, Mortalium Animos of Pope Pius XI, Mystici Corporis of Pope Pius XII, and in the condemnations of the "Branch Theory" made by the Holy Office under Pope Pius IX.
4. What false doctrine does it teach concerning ecumenism?
The teaching of Vatican II concerning ecumenism, which states that non-Catholic religions are a "means of salvation," is overtly heretical. This doctrine directly contradicts the teaching of the Church that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, called by Pope Pius IX "a most well-known Catholic dogma." In addition, the ecumenical practices which have resulted from this heretical doctrine are directly contrary to Mortalium Animos of Pope Pius XI.
5. What false doctrine does it teach concerning religious liberty?
The teaching of Vatican II on religious liberty, contained in Dignitatis Humanae, nearly word for word asserts the very doctrine which was condemned by Pope Pius VII in Post Tam Diuturnas, by Pope Gregory XVI in Mirari Vos, by Pope Pius IX in Quanta Cura, and by Pope Leo XIII in Libertas Praestantissimum. The teaching of Vatican II on religious liberty also contradicts the royalty of Jesus Christ in society as expressed in Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI, and the constant attitude and practice of the Church with regard to civil society.
6. What false doctrine does it teach concerning collegiality?
The teaching of Vatican II concerning collegiality alters the monarchical constitution of the Catholic Church, with which she was endowed by the Divine Savior. The doctrine of Vatican II, confirmed by the 1983 Code of Canon Law, which states that the subject (the possessor) of the supreme authority of the Church is the college of bishops together with the pope, is contrary to the defined doctrine of the Council of Florence and of Vatican I.
7. What is wrong with the disciplines which have emanated from Vatican II?
The 1983 Code of Canon Law contains the heresy of Vatican II concerning the Church, mentioned above. It also permits sacrilege to the Blessed Sacrament, by approving of its reception by non-Catholics, which is a mortal sin, and permits communicatio in sacris (common public worship) with non-Catholics, which is a mortal sin. In addition, the Ecumenical Directory of 1993 permits ecumenical practices which have always been taught by the Church to be mortally sinful.
8. What does all this mean?
It means that Vatican II and its subsequent reforms have given us a new religion, a religion which is substantially different from the Roman Catholic Faith founded by Christ.
The reformers have substantially altered the three main components of religion: doctrine, worship, and discipline. The result is that the reformers are promoting a religion of ecumenism in place of the Roman Catholic religion, which has always taught that it alone is the one, true Faith, and that all other religions are false. The Vatican II religion teaches doctrines which have been condemned by the Church in the past. It has instituted rites and disciplines which are Protestant in nature.
As a result, the religion which Catholics find in their local parishes and schools, although in name Catholic, is a new, non-Catholic religion already condemned by the Catholic Church.
9. Could it be that you are merely giving a bad interpretation to Vatican II?
No. The heretical nature of this council is confirmed by:
the doctrinal interpretation given to Vatican II by Paul VI and his successors in their decrees, encyclicals, catechisms, etc.;
the series of abominations perpetrated by John Paul II against the First Commandment of God, in the form of ecumenical ceremonies which constitute false worship, even to pagan deities in some cases;
the alteration of the Sacred Liturgy in such a way that the Catholic Mass has been replaced by a Protestant supper service;
the tampering with the matter and form of the sacraments so that many of them, but most notably the Holy Eucharist and Holy Orders, labor under doubt or invalidity;
the promulgation of disciplines, especially the 1983 Code of Canon Law and the Ecumenical Directory, which approve of sacrilege against the Holy Eucharist and the Sacrament of Matrimony, and which demonstrate heresies concerning the unity of the Church as their theoretical basis;
the scandalous mockery made of the Sacrament of Matrimony by the granting of annulments for spurious reasons, constituting an abandonment of the sacred doctrine of the indissolubility of marriage;
the fact that John Paul II is in communion with manifest heretics, has openly declared himself to be in communion with non-Catholic sects, and has recognized an apostolic mission in schismatic and Lutheran bishops, all of which destroys the unity of faith. He has even kissed the Koran, which explicitly denies the Incarnation and the Trinity. He has also publicly prayed that St. John the Baptist protect Islam.
Is Francis a heretic?
Schism is worse than heresy.
Obedience over sacrifice. To even say the seat of Peter is vacant is diabolical. Even Jesus called the first pope Satan. The devil has really done a great job further dividing the body of Christ through an archbishop who is spreading lies. Pope Francis is the pope weather or not you or I like him. The history of the church had pope who were horrible that doesn’t mean they weren’t the pope .
Sadly, Pope Francis ingores the teachings of the "Catholic" religion while trying to stay politically correct. Choose Hot or Cold, but don't be luke warm. I have to stand with Vigano.
Heresy. Bye. Better repent asap
Sadly, your comment is so untrue. I stand with the Catholic Church. Vigano always has the option to repent and will always be welcomed back, as well as his followers.
You are not Catholic.
Vigano ignored his duties and was friends with McCarrick, then tries to shift blame to the Pope. Also, misinformed and lied about the Pope
The pope is woke
Francis is undermining francis is
You are mixing everything up
I stand with Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. The church has been captured by the AC.
In fifty years nobody will know who Vigano was but the Pope will be famous all over the world.
Yes, Pope Francis may well one day be a saint. There are already possible miracles.
Pope Francis will be declared an anti-pope not a saint
@@davidmyhra4931how
Or infamous all over the world, as for Archbishop Vigano, he may be a saint in the making. Only God knows.
@@LifeHappens-xu8pg Never heard of a schismatic saint.
You are an excellent Catholic podcaster and I always appreciate you content and introspection!
What's wrong with Vatican II? FAQs
1. What is wrong with the Second Vatican Council?
The Second Vatican Council taught doctrines which had been already condemned by the Church, and enacted disciplines which are contrary to the Church's teaching and constant practice.
2. What doctrines did it teach which were already condemned?
There are four major errors concerning: (1) the unity of the Church; (2) ecumenism; (3) religious liberty; (4) collegiality.
3. What false doctrine does it teach concerning the unity of the Church?
Vatican II teaches heresy concerning the unity of the Church, namely that the Church of Christ is not exclusively identified with the Catholic Church, but merely subsists in it. This heretical doctrine is contained principally in Lumen Gentium, and its heretical meaning is confirmed in statements of Paul VI and his successors, particularly in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, in the 1992 Statement concerning Church and Communion, and in the Ecumenical Directory.
It is contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, contained principally in Satis Cognitum of Pope Leo XIII, Mortalium Animos of Pope Pius XI, Mystici Corporis of Pope Pius XII, and in the condemnations of the "Branch Theory" made by the Holy Office under Pope Pius IX.
4. What false doctrine does it teach concerning ecumenism?
The teaching of Vatican II concerning ecumenism, which states that non-Catholic religions are a "means of salvation," is overtly heretical. This doctrine directly contradicts the teaching of the Church that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, called by Pope Pius IX "a most well-known Catholic dogma." In addition, the ecumenical practices which have resulted from this heretical doctrine are directly contrary to Mortalium Animos of Pope Pius XI.
5. What false doctrine does it teach concerning religious liberty?
The teaching of Vatican II on religious liberty, contained in Dignitatis Humanae, nearly word for word asserts the very doctrine which was condemned by Pope Pius VII in Post Tam Diuturnas, by Pope Gregory XVI in Mirari Vos, by Pope Pius IX in Quanta Cura, and by Pope Leo XIII in Libertas Praestantissimum. The teaching of Vatican II on religious liberty also contradicts the royalty of Jesus Christ in society as expressed in Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI, and the constant attitude and practice of the Church with regard to civil society.
6. What false doctrine does it teach concerning collegiality?
The teaching of Vatican II concerning collegiality alters the monarchical constitution of the Catholic Church, with which she was endowed by the Divine Savior. The doctrine of Vatican II, confirmed by the 1983 Code of Canon Law, which states that the subject (the possessor) of the supreme authority of the Church is the college of bishops together with the pope, is contrary to the defined doctrine of the Council of Florence and of Vatican I.
7. What is wrong with the disciplines which have emanated from Vatican II?
The 1983 Code of Canon Law contains the heresy of Vatican II concerning the Church, mentioned above. It also permits sacrilege to the Blessed Sacrament, by approving of its reception by non-Catholics, which is a mortal sin, and permits communicatio in sacris (common public worship) with non-Catholics, which is a mortal sin. In addition, the Ecumenical Directory of 1993 permits ecumenical practices which have always been taught by the Church to be mortally sinful.
8. What does all this mean?
It means that Vatican II and its subsequent reforms have given us a new religion, a religion which is substantially different from the Roman Catholic Faith founded by Christ.
The reformers have substantially altered the three main components of religion: doctrine, worship, and discipline. The result is that the reformers are promoting a religion of ecumenism in place of the Roman Catholic religion, which has always taught that it alone is the one, true Faith, and that all other religions are false. The Vatican II religion teaches doctrines which have been condemned by the Church in the past. It has instituted rites and disciplines which are Protestant in nature.
As a result, the religion which Catholics find in their local parishes and schools, although in name Catholic, is a new, non-Catholic religion already condemned by the Catholic Church.
9. Could it be that you are merely giving a bad interpretation to Vatican II?
No. The heretical nature of this council is confirmed by:
the doctrinal interpretation given to Vatican II by Paul VI and his successors in their decrees, encyclicals, catechisms, etc.;
the series of abominations perpetrated by John Paul II against the First Commandment of God, in the form of ecumenical ceremonies which constitute false worship, even to pagan deities in some cases;
the alteration of the Sacred Liturgy in such a way that the Catholic Mass has been replaced by a Protestant supper service;
the tampering with the matter and form of the sacraments so that many of them, but most notably the Holy Eucharist and Holy Orders, labor under doubt or invalidity;
the promulgation of disciplines, especially the 1983 Code of Canon Law and the Ecumenical Directory, which approve of sacrilege against the Holy Eucharist and the Sacrament of Matrimony, and which demonstrate heresies concerning the unity of the Church as their theoretical basis;
the scandalous mockery made of the Sacrament of Matrimony by the granting of annulments for spurious reasons, constituting an abandonment of the sacred doctrine of the indissolubility of marriage;
the fact that John Paul II is in communion with manifest heretics, has openly declared himself to be in communion with non-Catholic sects, and has recognized an apostolic mission in schismatic and Lutheran bishops, all of which destroys the unity of faith. He has even kissed the Koran, which explicitly denies the Incarnation and the Trinity. He has also publicly prayed that St. John the Baptist protect Islam.
Archbishop Vigano has been excommunicated from THE BERGOLIAN CHURCH!
No problem!
He is still OUR Archbishop Vigano in the TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
WE IN AMERICA LOVE OUR ARCHBISHOP VIGANO!
As a sensible Catholic, I plan to continue practicing my faith as usual at the present time. I do consider Pope Francis to be a wicked pope, but not the first wicked pope. The first in nearly 600 years. I have not been in the position of having to disobey the pope. I even obeyed the diosecan bishop when he said we could not enter the church building without an injection of a product of abortion. I stayed outside. I didn't want anybody to think I had taken that injection. So I can, perhaps, relate to Vigano's position. He may have more information about the legitimacy of Pope Francis than I do. At least he thinks he does. I might do the same in his position. I don't know.
Most of the earlier "evil" popes were bad when it came to personal morals but were okay when it came to reaffirming the true Magisterium of the Church. Francis is evil the other way around.
St. Athanasius was also excommunicated. Now a saint.
i don't see any evidence of this. he was critical of the emperor and was exiled. when the emperor died, he returned and then was again exiled by the emperor's son. pope Julius wrote on his behalf, but couldn't convince the emperor.
Not true. St. Athanasius was NOT excommunicated.
Incorrect he was deposed and sent into exile by the Arians but not excommunicated
Vigano will never be a saint. Read the McCarrick report. He enabled McCarrick for years before Pope Francis was pope and then blamed Pope Francis for everything he did. He also tried to steal $2,000,000 inheritance from his brother after this father died and had to be sued to get the money.
Why do you bear false witness?
How many years before we're all supposed to believe that married lesbian priestesses are allowed by the Magisterium?
Stop the delusion
Matt Fraud...
You are misinforming your followers
There is 1 Pope at any 1 time. Vigano should know where he belongs, but perhaps he may be trying to break up the Church.
At one time there were there popes. At some times there were no popes.
“If a future Pope teaches anything contrary to the Catholic Faith, do not follow him.” Pope Pius IX
This quote is not authentic. It's fake. Unless you can produce the source?
@@nathanbustamante1525 The source is the Pope (Letter to Bishop Brizen). Is the quote somehow controversial?
@@gegaolihe does not teach anything contrary to the Faith, your heart is just too full of malice and evil that you project yourself unto him and take everything he says out of context to fit your agenda. Your problem is the pope is not a rich wasp American republican
@@gegaoli Yes it is controversial because you're using a fake quote to justify dissent from the magisterium.
Can't even find a reference to bishop brizen other than to say he doesn't exist.
@@nathanbustamante1525 Do you have a brain? It’s obvious you disagree with the statement. And I provided the source so continue to follow the father of lies all you want. My quote “If anyone teaches anything contrary to the Catholic Faith, do not follow them.”
Taylor Marshall needs to be the next one who is ex communicated.
Francis loves schismatics. He allows them to say mass in his cathedral and has a statue of Martin Luther
Why do you bear false witness?
Why do you follow that slanderer Taylor Marshall?
The statue of Luther is from 2016, and a gift from the Lutherans that visited the Vatican. To say "Pope Francis has a statue of Martial Luther" is one of the most bad faith arguments one could say.
Please repent, and believe the Gospel.
You need to repent for ur lies
@@rouxmain934 the Lutheran's brought a statue of Luther for the Vatican? 😂 Talk about not reading the room right....
Taylor Marshall is doing the church a disservice with his YT channel
"Get behind me, Vigano" Matthew 16 verse 23
The question is, Is Pope Francis a legitimate pope? Is his Magisterium legitimate? To be excommunicated on invalid authority is not a true excommunication. 😊😊😊
That's absolutely delusional. Francis is a true Pope, and whoever says otherwise cannot be trusted.
@@rouxmain934 Says who? So was Pope John XII…. 🤔. Personally, I don’t trust homosexuals wearing Roman collars and vestments…. 👍
@@rouxmain934 “The Dictator Pope” by Marcantonio Colonna 👍
I've replaced my prayer for Francis with a prayer for Archbishop Vigano.
Vigano certainly needs prayers more than Pope Francis does, what with the schism, sedevacantism, and how he failed to investigate credible accusations against McCarrick when he was Nuncio to the US.
Why didn't you pray for both? There is a severe problem if you believe Vigano is in the right.
Please go on the Vatican Website and read the McCarrick Report. You might find it interesting. It talks a lot of what Vigano did and didn't do. It's very interesting in light of his accusations against Pope Francis. I'll give you a clue, Vigano was the one who enabled McCarrick before Pope Francis was pope.
If you support what Vigano has done you need to refrain from taking the Eucharist because you would not be in full communion with the church. And if you believe as Vigano does, you have even more serious problems to sort out because that moves away from not being in full communion to schism. Actual Catholics do not defend what Vigano has said.
Please pray for this pope. He needs every prayer to be a good pope.🙏🙏🙏
"Despite Cardinal Ouellet’s instruction that Nuncio Viganò “reply to [Priest
3], requesting that he clarify his accusations against the aforementioned
ecclesiastics in order to determine their truth or lack thereof,” Viganò never
contacted Priest 3. In an interview, Priest 3 stated, “I never received a reply
and I was waiting for one.” Priest 3 explained:
I was always waiting and thinking that [Viganò] was going to
contact me. But he never contacted me. I had written the letter
so I knew that I had provided him the information. But he never
contacted me back. I felt that he should have responded to me
because I explained that I had been mistreated."
"In addition, notwithstanding Priest 3’s offer to provide Nuncio Viganò with
“my evaluation from the Advent Program, my legal filings and any other
documentation I have to support the information I have provided in this
letter,” Viganò did not request any documents in Priest 3’s possession,
including the legal filings from the New Jersey court case, nor did he obtain
these filings from the court, the Diocese of Metuchen or the Archdiocese of
Newark. As a result, the civil complaint - which detailed the three s*xual
incidents with McCarrick - was not received by the Nunciature or the Holy
See until late 2018, when it was requested by Nunciature personnel from the
Archdiocese of Newark. Viganò also did not request or receive the
“certification” signed by Priest 3 under penalty of law in March 2012, which
likewise described the three s*xual encounters with McCarrick.1188 Priest 3’s
certification is the first known signed statement by a victim accusing
McCarrick of s*xual misconduct, but because Viganò did not request any
documentation offered to him by Priest 3, Holy See officials never saw the
certification during this period and, indeed, not until well after McCarrick’s
dismissal from the clerical state."
Excerpts from pages 385 &386 of the 2020 McCarrick report. Considering how hard he dropped the ball, Vigano certainly does need your prayers.
"Despite Cardinal Ouellet’s instruction that Nuncio Viganò “reply to [Priest
3], requesting that he clarify his accusations against the aforementioned
ecclesiastics in order to determine their truth or lack thereof,” Viganò never
contacted Priest 3. In an interview, Priest 3 stated, “I never received a reply
and I was waiting for one.” Priest 3 explained:
I was always waiting and thinking that [Viganò] was going to
contact me. But he never contacted me. I had written the letter
so I knew that I had provided him the information. But he never
contacted me back. I felt that he should have responded to me
because I explained that I had been mistreated."
"In addition, notwithstanding Priest 3’s offer to provide Nuncio Viganò with
“my evaluation from the Advent Program, my legal filings and any other
documentation I have to support the information I have provided in this
letter,” Viganò did not request any documents in Priest 3’s possession,
including the legal filings from the New Jersey court case, nor did he obtain
these filings from the court, the Diocese of Metuchen or the Archdiocese of
Newark. As a result, the civil complaint - which detailed the three s*xual
incidents with McCarrick - was not received by the Nunciature or the Holy
See until late 2018, when it was requested by Nunciature personnel from the
Archdiocese of Newark. Viganò also did not request or receive the
“certification” signed by Priest 3 under penalty of law in March 2012, which
likewise described the three s*xual encounters with McCarrick.1188 Priest 3’s
certification is the first known signed statement by a victim accusing
McCarrick of s*xual misconduct, but because Viganò did not request any
documentation offered to him by Priest 3, Holy See officials never saw the
certification during this period and, indeed, not until well after McCarrick’s
dismissal from the clerical state."
Excerpts from pages 385 &386 of the 2020 McCarrick report. Vigano certainly does need your prayers.
Great to see the cult splintering yet again. It's always fun when not one of these failures can show that their version is any better than the rest.
Yea a bishop disagreeing with magisterium is a little different than 40000 different denominations all claiming to have the truth.
Says the gut who's church can't even evangelize a whole block using our Bible.
@@Ajas081046,000 and counting.
Catholicism never claimed that everyone was a saint. You don't even sound Christian. You do not hate Catholicism. You only hate what you think Catholicism is. It's the illogical thought process called eisegisis. You create definitions of our beliefs for us and then judge us a cult based on your creation. The bible calls this bearing false witness and slander.
Sad to see someone who claims to be Christian harbor hatred and express joy at the sufferings of others. Maybe you just reacted without thinking. I hope that is the case. For your sake.
Like the cults, the roman catholic fears the internet because rome cannot keep its sins out of the public eye.
Wow, owned. Close the internet folks, its over.
Oh no what shall we do, to which of the many supposed true churches that do not know who Jesus is, go to.
@@Phoenixmagnus Don't worry, I'm sure well find the sinless one that this guy belongs to.
@@Phoenixmagnus we can eliminate the rcc from your list that does not know Christ.
Ah yes, Google "church scandals" and in a deluge of delight almost all of the headers will declare "the Catholic church" or the"Roman Catholic Church" to be the sole culprit.
It takes some patience to tolerate people who use Google to inform their views.