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All souls in Heaven are Saints, that goes without saying, 2000 years of history, I am a Catholic and I pray for all people including my Christian brothers and sisters 🙏✝️🇦🇺
Protestant’s are NOT Christian! Protestant so called churches DON’T EXIST. Protestant so called baptism is invalid. Only Jesus can found a Church.
ALL Christian ARE saints!!
@@kingston163 Has anyone ever heard of Communion of Saints like the Early Church understanding is more correct than the Late Medieval erroneous understanding of it?
One side overemphasizes the saints and the other side completely ignores it.
The Eastern Churches also err as well. But one group gets it just right. Not too much or not too little and they belong to the Western Tradition and they NOT of the NonApostolic Churches that have 5 solas, reject Apostolic Succession, 5 points of Calvinism, 5 fundamentals, etc. Guess which Church is that?
Protestant’s are pagan.
@@kingston163 no they’re not… no unclean thing can enter into heaven. The only ones in heaven are saints and the faithful
The moon reflects the light of the sun; we should try to be like the moon, reflecting the love of God in all we do.
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"The moon reflects the light of the sun; we should try to be like the moon, reflecting the love of God in all we do "
the I0ve0f g0d that c0nd0nes the 0wning 0f feII0w human beings y0u mean ?
0r the I0ve 0f g0d that watches miIIi0ns 0f babies die each day fr0m dirty water ?
0r the I0ve 0f g0d that gives chiIdren cancer ?
0r the I0ve 0f g0d that f0rgives by kiIIing his aIIeged s0n f0r a few days ?
which "I0ve 0f g0d" y0u referring t0 ?
May I share this with my social media groups ?
Do you believe the guy running this site is loving CHRISTians? It doesn't seem that way.
Amen, great comparison!
The definition of mediator is used in a deceiving way. Only Jesus is the mediator between men and God. So if Jesus lives in you, Jesus is still the mediator by the Holy Spirit. You are not a Co-Mediator, you are only a vessel to Gods Glory.
To try to construct a contradiction in evangelic position to use the term co-mediator, which is not in the bible, and has no scriptural base, is a product of human pride and arrogance, and it’s so ridiculous, that even a 6 grader should be able to discern the difference between the mediating cause and the dispensable but an interchangeable and pivileged factor such as the obedient disciple cooperating through the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the presence within Him.
Ireneus definition of the Glory of God is defective. It should be: The Glory of God is the active and living Holy Spirit within or without a believer. The Glory of God can reveal himself acting through a vessel like a disciple. The Glory of God is the HOLY SPIRIT, God himself. Be aware and be warned not to mock God.
Jesus wants to use us as servants, as friend. There is only one Jesus Christ. There is only one Glory of God, the Holy Spirit. Grasp it. You're not a God and not a Co-God, and not a Co-Glory. You are just the messenger, the ambassador. Humble yourself, take down your pride, man of sin and live in Christ and in his truth.
@@angelogumnad8206Don’t worship the moon!!! …..
…(joking 😂😮)
You got an Excellent point asking the Protestants: "why do you ask others to pray to God for your cause?".
Because the Bible says to do so and we know for a fact they can hear us. Using the opportunity to also praise God.
Because we believe in the value of prayer of believers. We just happen to believe that being alive is a necessary prerequisite for prayer.
1 Thessalonians 5:25
@@jaysonb.6669 (Sorry for the long comment, but it should clear up your concerns :) To preface this comment, I will say: Catholics do not worship the saints/Mary, Catholics do not believe they are replacing Christ-as no one can-and Catholics do not believe that they will save us, or that they are equal to Jesus. With that said...
This is not a sufficient argument. For one, there is no passage in scripture that says the "dead" _can't_ hear us/can't pray for us (whether we ask them or not), but it _does_ say they are _alive in Christ_ (for those that followed Him). Secondly, it is explicitly stated that we are members of the mystical body of Christ and thus have-or should have-concern for the spiritual well-being of others (1 Cor. 12:25-26). It would be illogical to assume that those in heaven are suddenly detached from the Body of Christ after death.
"The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” - 1Cor. 12:21
Hence, I can't see why God wouldn't allow anyone in heaven to pray for those in need on earth. Even St. Thérèse of Lisieux once said, "How unhappy I shall be in heaven if I cannot do little favors for those whom I love… Yes, I want to spend my heaven in doing good on earth.." Why would God not grant her this request, she's only changing location?
And that's the thing, location doesn't matter for prayer, because as we all know, prayer transcends space.
This is how I'd ask a friend for prayers: "Hey Bob, I'm struggling with my temper, could you please pray for me?"
Asking a saint: "Hey St. Jerome, I'm struggling with my temper, could you please pray for me?"
No difference. Hence, both participants go to Jesus with their prayers in asking to help me with my struggle. None of them take the focus off of God, in fact, we are actually glorifying Jesus in His death and resurrection, by which He made Himself a mediator for _all_ prayers to reach the Father though Him. Furthermore, in James 5:16 it states, "The prayer of a righteous person has great power in it's effects." Quite obviously, those in heaven are righteous, which is why their prayers are powerful, because there is unlimited time to do it, no distractions, and complete love for God and His will.
Not only that, you seem to think that we _can't_ "Use the opportunity to also praise God" by petitioning the saints...? We do, it has always brought me closer to God.
To conclude, praying to the saints/Mary is not a deviation from the divine, but a partaking in God's plan of salvation for all.
I hope this helps :)
Asking someone to pray for you is completely different from praying to the person. When Catholics pray to Mary and other deceased people they are not praying to God but to the dead.
Most non-Catholics don’t understand the word “mediator”. There is only one mediator for our SALVATION. I tell my non-catholic Christian friends that if there is only one mediator, then don’t ask anyone to pray to God for you or don’t pray for others…
Here's a former Irish RC who NOW understands the 'only one mediator' for our salvation part. All else (prayer requests) are but petitions through LIVING fellow believers in Christ which is scripturally correct and encouraged.
Correction: The vast majority of non-RC's indeed DO understand the meaning of 'mediator'.
If you are praying to anyone but God, you are wasting your time.
@@johnbaird8805 Could you answer the contradiction posed in this video about how protestants have no problem asking other people to pray for them? If you apply the same logic, your response when someone asks you to pray for him should always be "don't ask me to pray for you, you can pray to Jesus".
@@christophercano4809 Yes, I can answer that. I would pray to Jesus on their behalf. I would not waste my time praying to someone who doesn’t hear me or doesn’t have the power to answer my prayer. Not only that, prayer is an opportunity to praise and worship God. I’m not going to praise and worship a fallen person, no matter how good they were.🙏
@@johnbaird8805 search for sam shamoun explaining how saints hear our prayers "biblically". you'd be surprised how.
Actually,Saints are alive. Those who have passed on have their reward.
Well my grandmother is alive too in heaven, should I pray to her?
@@florinclapa9351 No. It will have no effect. We pray to the Father only.
there is a difference between mediator and intercessor
1 Timothy 2:1
Pray for All Men
Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men
We are told to pray for each other and the saints pray to God
@CatholicDefender-bp7my were ypu talking to someone else?
@CatholicDefender-bp7my he was defending Catholicism bro
@@cfG21 he misread it
@CatholicDefender-bp7my ah okay. I apologize
Exaclty, spot on. Protestants dont even understand what the word Mediator means
Very helpful! I’ll be praying for you and your ministry! 🙏🏻✝️
thank you so much for this enlightening video...
I'm a wife of a Protestant minister, and on a silent journey toward Catholicism. Please pray for me!
Just did. May God bless you on your journey.
If you ever have any questions or need clarification on what the Church actually teaches, feel free to ask.
Praying for you. Remember that Mary was sinless, even though the Bible says all have sinned. She was always a virgin (even though the Bible says a married couple should not deny one another). Did you know that she ascended into heaven? Oh, yes. I think they use the word "assumed", but you get the idea. Did you know she is the Queen of Heaven, even though there is no scriptures for that? The woman in Rev. ch. 12 is not Mary. It is symbolic of Israel. Did you know that she can hear the prayers of everyone on Earth? Oh, yes. Did you know there is a movement in the Catholic church to have Mary be Co-Redeemer with Jesus? Oh, yes.
@@rickrogers4744 *_Praying for you._*
Just curious did you actually pray for what she asked you to pray for? Because based on your following anti-Catholic rants it sure seems more likely you prayed that she would blindly follow your personal interpretations of the Bible.
*_Remember that Mary was sinless, even though the Bible says all have sinned._*
You are pointing to Romans 3:23. If you would actually read what Paul wrote in context, instead of trying to cherry pick single verses, you would have understood that the major context of Romans 1-4 is Paul dealing with Jews who are trying to claim that Gentiles also need to follow the Law of Moses as well as being Christian. So when Paul writes "for all have sinned" he is making a comparison between these two groups of people (Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians).
It is obvious that Paul is using hyperbole here to drive his point home. We read later in Romans, where Paul appeals to the case of Jacob and Esau and speaks of the time when “they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad” (Rom. 9:11). Paul therefore recognizes that unborn children have not yet committed personal sin, making them an exception to the “ALL have sinned” you claim he meant. I'm sure you would also agree that Paul doesn't believe Jesus sinned or how about babies? If your right and ALL can only mean ALL doesn't that mean they committed personal sin.
The only thing you have proven with this verse is you don't know how to read in context.
*_She was always a virgin (even though the Bible says a married couple should not deny one another)._*
Mary was married to Joseph in the Jewish faith. You are pointing to a Christian understanding that Paul wrote...
1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not refuse one another except perhaps by agreement for a season, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, lest Satan tempt you through lack of self-control.
Why on earth do you believe Mary was bound by a Christian understanding that wouldn't be taught until most likely 30 years after Joseph died?
*_Did you know that she ascended into heaven? Oh, yes. I think they use the word "assumed", but you get the idea._*
Actually they are very different terms. Ascended means she would have done it on her own power, assumed means Jesus did it for her.
Also, not seeing your point here? Do you have evidence that she didn't? Where's her tomb?
Did you know that no where in the Bible does it say we should only believe what is only written in the Bible?
Did you know that Bible Alone is a man made tradition that no Christian believed for the first 1500 years of Christianity?
Personally for me I believe the saying "you can know a lot about a man by the way he treats his mother". It is absolute nonsense to think Jesus treated His own mother like He treats the rest of us. We will all get out glorified bodies back at the second coming why is it so hard to believe Jesus would do something for His own mother now that He already plans on eventually doing for the rest of us?
*_Did you know she is the Queen of Heaven, even though there is no scriptures for that? The woman in Rev. ch. 12 is not Mary. It is symbolic of Israel._*
All you are doing is showing us more evidence that you refuse to read in context.
There is no set rule in Revelation that the same word can't have a multitude of meaning. One word can have both a symbolic and literal understanding. It is obvious from the context that the Woman in Revelation 12 has some connection with bringing about the birth of the Messiah. So scholars have seen the Woman as a reference to Israel and the Church on a symbolic level and Mary on the literal level.
It is the Church who gives birth to the people of the New Covenant.
It is also from this faithful Israel that the messiah is born.”
However it is admittedly ultimately through the ‘virgin daughter of Israel,’ Mary herself, that the messiah is born.
Also, once again context is key:
“There are four main characters in the chapter: “the woman,” the devil, Jesus, and the Archangel Michael. No one denies that the other three mentioned are real persons. It fits the context exegetically to interpret ‘the woman’ as a person (Mary) as well.” People who deny this fact just prove they are blindly following what they were taught and not reading the context for themselves.
*_Did you know that she can hear the prayers of everyone on Earth? Oh, yes._*
I did not know that because that is not official Catholic teaching.
*_Did you know there is a movement in the Catholic church to have Mary be Co-Redeemer with Jesus? Oh, yes._*
Have you actually looked up the meaning of the prefix CO or are you just blindly repeating what you were told?
The prefix CO means with, together, one that is associated in an action with another, having a usually lesser share in duty or responsibility
Why are you assuming it can only mean equal to?
Remember up above when you misapplied 1 Corinthians 7 to Mary and Joseph? Well just keep reading 2 more chapters where Paul says....
22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, *_that I might by all means save some._*
WHAT??????? Paul must think he is a Co-Redeemer and equal to Christ here. Can you believe Paul had the nerve to think he was capable of saving people?
Use some common sense, we are all called to be co-redeemers with Christ, we are to share the gospel. I do prison ministry and if a prisoner comes to follow Christ (and is eventually saved) through my sharing of the gospel with him then I worked in association with Christ to redeem that man's soul. It doesn't make me anywhere close to being at Christ's level, but to an infinitely lesser degree I played a part in redeeming that man's soul thus making me a co-redeemer.
Open you eyes and your heart to the Holy Spirit.
God Bless
Good luck and blessings on yr journey to the church instituted by Jesus Himself, with the mediation of His Apostles, and even that of Protestants who are preaching the Word.
@@Matt-1926
Would you just back up the Virgin Ascencion with the scripture?
You can not either of Spirit if Pride, manifesting with lot of words, no scripture.
Jesus Brothers are James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas.
Do your homework, please read the Bible!
My thoughts exactly! With protestant's mindset, whenever your mom or your dearest one starts to pray "O God please protect our son...." you should say "STOP! DON'T PRAY FOR ME! YOU ARE NOT THE ONE MEDIATOR"
We must add that in that passage of the Bible (1 Timothy 2:5), Saint Paul refers to Christ as MEDIATOR of the New Covenant sealed with his blood, he does not really refer to Christ as an intercessor, so the word 'mediator' is a technical term in the context of an alliance. In the Holy Bible we see many cases of people interceding before God for their brothers: In the Old Testament Abraham intercedes before God for Sodom and Gomorrah, Moses intercedes for the people of Israel who had worshiped the Golden Calf, in the New Testament Mary The mother of the Lord intercedes for the bride and groom at the wedding in Cana, Christ intercedes on the Cross before the Father for his murderers, Saint Stephen intercedes before God for those who are martyrizing him, Christ warns us not to scandalize the little ones because their guardian angels intercede before God. It should be added that in the Bible the Holy Spirit is also presented to us as our intercessor: Romans 8:26. So it is one thing to be the only mediator, that only Christ can be, because he sacrificed himself on the Cross in obedience to the Father for our Salvation, and it is quite another to be an 'intercessor', which is Christ, is the Holy Spirit, is the Most Holy Mother of Christ, the Saints and the Angels.
And we must remember that the Most Holy Mother sinned while she was on earth. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God". The Bible tells us there is only one exception to this - Jesus. Only Jesus did not sin.
@@rickrogers4744 Like most Protestant beliefs that go against Catholic faith, this is because select Bible verses are looked at in isolation and out of context. Here is a short video that touches on the sinless nature of Mary.
ua-cam.com/video/klyvGIWfbsU/v-deo.html
If you are up for a slightly longer video, this is good as well and goes more in depth, though I don't think he discusses about the sinless nature of Mary in this particular video.
ua-cam.com/video/NWyzrSeClr0/v-deo.htmlsi=OmKz9xfXkCoo4uyB
@@tomcha75 Heresy.
Saint Paul refers to Christ as MEDIATOR of the New Covenant sealed with his blood, he does not really refer to Christ as an intercessor, ''
No, the words mean the same thing. Christ is our mediator/intercessor. Salvation is the work of the Godhead. Man has no part in it. We can lead people to Christ, we can pray for them, we can preach the gospel, but we cannot save them. A person must come to Christ ON THEIR OWN. There is no teaching that in order to come to Christ, they must come through a human being first.
@@pete3397 Please provide your definition of heresy.
To that protestant pastor: what the hell do you care if we pray to a
Saint for intercession?
Thank you for explaining and having Bishop Barron and Fr Mike Schmitz. I find the three examples very interesting. Blessings 🕯🕯🕯
Man I love being Catholic. What the followers of novel religions say is irrelevant to me.
You love it because you do NOT read the Bible, you are BLIND and you rely on PEDO-POPES and PEDO-PRIESTS to tell you what to do....
So, you're into the costumes and funny hats?
Smoking metal orbs?
Gawdy cathedrals?
Tradition of men?
The joy of stealing authority from the Bible?
Revelation 22:19.
Sunday is counted least salvation. Those who keep the commandments of God are blessed sainthood. 22:14.
Wow - I love you my Catholic brother in Christ! What a brilliant video !! Keep up the good work for God. I'm inspired by your example.
I don't believe Turek when he said that the priest he asked was not able to explain or at least answer his question about praying to the Saints. He might have asked a non-Catholic priest.
Or he is bluffing
At least maybe a very ignorant Catholic. The worst Catholics are the ones that become Protestant and were Catholics. And the best Catholics are the ones that were Protestant and became Catholics lol 🤪
@@cyril_s or maybe he just acting and thinking like any other anti-Catholic
Exactly, agreed
@@echomike8591 Frank grew up in a Catholic home I sadly fear he thinks he can speak with some authority on the Catholic faith.
Just as interesting is that Turek claims to have been Catholic (or at least raised) but clearly did not know the Catholic faith in the first place.
Usually the case…
So does Luther. What's you point? They did know enough/much that they decided to depart from it.
He is heretic , doesn’t believe in Eucharist
Oh, so he didn't know, or did he?...My father WAS a catholic(was even an altar boy), and is no longer because he KNOWS Catholic doctrines are NOT Biblical when it comes to POPES, PRAYING To SAINTS, Exaggerating Mary's importantce in anything, PURGATORY, and making CATHOLIC TRADITIONS EQUAL TO THE BIBLE(all added at different times).....
My dad also knows that most CATHOLICS do NOT read the Bible, JUST as the JEWS are told not to do.....Two BLIND groups, waiting on a POPE or RABBI to tell them what to do...
God states it is NOT good for man to be alone, yet Catholics have ELEVATES themselves to think they are equal with Jesus, and the priests have MAJOR PEDOPHILE issues....hmm....God knew it was NOT good for man to be alone...
@@SrhyleUnder what authority? No, Luther let his very human pride and arrogance lead him to spawn the eventual chaos we see today in Protestantism,
Doesn't Jesus said, that who ever gives their life will gain it. Then Saints must be more alive than we. Calling Saints dead people is contridicting the belief of oneself.
add to that John 11:25-26 where Jesus literally refutes such a claim word for word
Jesus also claims to be God of living not of the dead. The saints are all alive in heaven. It isn't just Enoch Elijah and Jesus up there.
Samuel is dead and did not liked to be awaken by that witch.
You're statement about the saint being alive is true. The correlation is found in Revelations 5:8.
U are twisting what is meant by "dead", their body died, their soul is in heaven.
The Protestant idea that there is a competition between God and man is very reminiscent of pagan religions in which they thought that there was a competition. Christianity changed all of that.
"Do not rely on your own understanding but.....1- On GOD......or 2- Really special men in Vatican"? Choose wisely
@@TimSpangler-v9i can God not enlightened our understanding? Did He not establish a Church to govern and guide us? Why do you doubt the authority of of Christ that He gave to the Church? In doubting that you also doubt Christ.
@@TimSpangler-v9i Choosing to follow the Catholic Church's authority over interpretation isn't about relying on 'really special men in the Vatican,' but rather recognizing the continuity of the Church established by Christ Himself. We believe in the guidance of the Holy Spirit, promised by Jesus to lead His Church into all truth (John 16:13). It's not a matter of choosing between men and God, but rather acknowledging God's guidance through the Church He instituted. As Catholics, we trust in God's sovereignty working through the Church for the salvation of souls and the proclamation of His truth.
@@LambsServant Will you pick your answer to fill in the blank please? Thanks
@@TimSpangler-v9igod gave the church authority. He did answer it.
You could ask Frank what about the Apostles? Why do we pray for each other?
Plus there is a difference between mediator and intercessor
1 Timothy 2:1
Pray for All Men
Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men
It’s pointless to bring any evidence of truth to Protestants. They will never lose since they have been brainwashed by their speakers to hate Catholicism.
Remember that the Catholic Church is in direct competition with their income. So their method of keeping their members from converting to Catholicism is by pressing the issue that you won’t be a Christian and that you will worship idols and lies upon lies all to keep their income.
@AkMtnMan Speaking of man-made traditions, why doesn't it bother you that you follow the man-made, unbiblical tradition of sola scriptura?
@AkMtnMan yet you hear and follow preachers that are men, take in their teaching and follow a path that diverted from the Apostles and early Church father's.
Here is one:
“Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working” (James 5:16, ESV)
And another:
In Revelation 5, golden bowls full of incense represent the prayers of the saints. Revelation 8 describes incense offer with the prayers of the saints.
Frank is only a man telling what he wishes. I think he does more good than harm , but he has chosen to be a preacher not a castigator. He should stay with vocation.
Pray for each other or to each other?.
Excellent video! Keep up the great co-work, co-creation and co- mediation, allowing our Lord, the one mediator with God, to work in you and through you. Peace 🙏
💡 Keep it up brother. 🙌🙏🕊
I think a video attempting to prove that a person in heaven is aware of what is going on here on earth would be helpful to this argument.
They are cause Jesus said so.
“There will be more joy in heaven at one sinner that turned away from sin”.
So who is happy in heaven?
No Catholic priest would throw up his hands in defeat like this man claims he did. He is making that up. I don't believe him at all. A priest knows we pray THROUGH saints to Jesus. The prayers are intercessory. No Catholic priest is ignorant of that answer. This is a very simple question, and ALL Catholics can answer it.
I thought the same thing!
Great video. Great sources to support point of view. It’s about coming to a consistent understanding of co-mediation.
Thank you for this video and your explanation. I have a much clearer understanding of our relationship with God.
It is interesting to note, not only the Catholic Church, but all the Orthodox Churches and the Churches of the East recognize intercessory prayer to the Virgin Mary and the saints. In other words, all valid and apostolic Churches founded by the apostles and their successors. No amount of teaching or explanation will convince protestant heretics and schismatics of this truth which has been debated for over 500 years. In the words of the Council of Trent. “ Let them be anathema!”
Where can I attend one of these seances?
@@kiwisaram9373 If you want a séance you can attend any man make heretical schism box protestant “churches” and “pastor” Bob will preach a good old fashion anti Catholic sermon and lead you in false diabolical “worship.” Sounds like you would be right at home! BEGONE SATAN!
@@kiwisaram9373 Just spend time in silence and ask the Holy Spirit to teach you how to find your centre as you are a temple of the Holy Spirit.
"When you seek truth, you seek God whether you know it or not." ~
St Edith Stein - look her up. God bless you. 🙏
Beautifully stated. Protestantism is clueless, and its adherents are a misguided lot. They need to get down on their knees and pray for the light instead of having their own onterpretations of Scriptures often taking verses out of context to align with their heresies.
@kiwisaram9373 the same seances your pagan ancestors attended when they came up with the pagan haka
There's a big difference between praying WITH a saint (Paul calls all believers saints) than praying TO a saint. The first one has scriptural base and was meant as a way for church members to strengthen each other and unite their hearts toward God. The latter one is a form of spiritism and does not have any base in the scriptures.
Have you ever read just one verse in the bible about any of the apostles or even the church members praying to an old testament prophet or to any biblical figure who are physically dead? show me a verse that clearly supports this please, all this explanation but not even one verse in the bible to back it up.
Well first of all where does the Bible say we can only believe what is specifically and clearly written in the Bible. Can you show one verse that Jesus or an Apostle stated this fact?
That being said, we believe the Body of Christ is required to pray for one another. I’m sure you would agree with that Biblical fact. We also believe the Bible teaches that death does not separate us from the body of Christ. I’m sure you agree with that also. Well if you put the 2 together then it becomes clear that our fellow Christians who already entered heavenly glory would still be praying for us. Just like the Bible tells us that there is a great cloud of witnesses cheering us on as we run the race.
God Bless
Mt 22: "29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead-have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[b]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
I share the confusion here.
The Bible would have clearly shown examples of Old Testament pleas to Abraham et al. Particularly after the resurrection.
Why did that not happen?
Why did Paul, Peter, James etc not say this in their very practical books?
I don't want to pick a fight with Catholics. I just want a very clear Bible Verse. In the manner of The Lord's prayer.
Why on earth did Jesus never mention this if this is intended?
@@vulnavia.kombora *_Why on earth did Jesus never mention this if this is intended?_*
I would say this statement is the reason why. The Apostles concentrated on the things "intended" or the ones necessary for salvation. OK to do and intended are not the same thing. If prayer to the saints is not your thing then don't do it. It's not like you are going to lose your salvation because you didn't seek the intercession of St. Joseph.
Think about it Jesus said we must believe and be Baptized in order to be saved. Yet the Bible never gives us a definitive list of what we are to believe and never gives us a detailed explanation of how one is to be Baptized. To take your line of thinking....... If Jesus said it was necessary you think clear examples would be shown of how to perform a Baptism and detailed lists of what we are to believe should be given in the New Testament, right? We could apply this to just about anything like the Trinity. There is no definitive explanation of the Trinity in the Bible, and I am sure you would agree that believing in the Trinity is necessary, right?
I think intended vs OK is the big issue that many don't understand. I hear it said all the time why do you Catholics pray to Saints instead of Jesus, as if we are afraid to ask Jesus so we go to the Saints. Well we do ask Jesus but we also know that Jesus never intended a "me and Jesus" religion. He wanted a family covenant, which is why He started a Church. He wanted us to take care of and pray for one another. Jesus came as an example for us, He didn't come to do it all so we wouldn't have to do anything.
*_The Bible would have clearly shown examples of Old Testament pleas to Abraham et al. Particularly after the resurrection. Why did that not happen?_*
I mean no disrespect but I think this question shows a lack of understanding of what the Bible actually is. It's not an instruction manual or a full compellation of everything Jesus taught. Think about it Jesus ministry was 3 years and what we know of that ministry is written in the 4 Gospels that can be read in a day. Do you honestly believe everything Jesus "intended" in His 3 year ministry is contained in 4 books that can be read in a few hours?
The writers where concerned with getting the Gospel message across. It's not like today, where we have unlimited computer resources. They had to pick and choose what they wanted to say and make it fit the size of a scroll. Every detail was not possible.
Hope this clears up some of the confusion.
God Bless
JD, you are correct. With your free will, you may do whatever you please. My scriptures tell me I can take all prayers and petitions to the throne of God with boldness and confidence. I know my Father, and my Savior want a relationship with me. If you feel you get the same personal relationship with God by praying to patron saints, you have a free will to believe it. Bottom line, when you stand before the Lord, to give an account of your life, Bishop Barren nor Father Mike will be with you. Its a one on one, and as Romans says, there will be no excuses. When Jesus says, "Why didn't you bring it to me?" I don't think "my church taught me there was many avenues to You", will cut it. But that's just me. I'll continue to take my petitions boldly to the throne for grace and mercy.
Just shows they don't understand the definition of the words. Mediator means: One that reconciles differences / conflicts between disputants. How does Jesus reconcile the differences? By paying the ransom through his blood. Spoiler alert Catholics agree that there's only one Mediator.
Intercessor (which is what saints are dubbed as) means a person or party who offers petition on behalf of others.
Spot on..end of discussion.
''Intercessor (which is what saints are dubbed as) means a person or party who offers petition on behalf of others.''
Mr. Sicarius, the words are synonyms. They mean the same thing. Look it up if you don't believe me. Try again.
@@danielcristancho3524 there's no need to try again as I pointed out with the definitions the role of a mediator "works" to "reconcile" differences between two or more parties, a intercessor "interposes" between the two or more parties at variance, meaning the intercessor offers another point of view. But that case isn't the same in the context of Christ and God because both are already in accord and are in agreement of Christ's sacrifice and it's purpose, so that definition of intercessor isn't applicable here, that's why the term intercession is used in the context of one who offers petition on behalf of others. Look at it in the political sense, anyone can take up a petition, but only those in Parliament can address (accept / reject) the said petition.
100% truth brother!
“...pray TO your Father, who is unseen.“
- Matthew 6:6
At that time you WON’T need to ask Me for anything.
I tell you the truth, you will ask The Father DIRECTLY...
- John 16:23
Always thank God the Father for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
- Ephesians 5:20
If only mediator means only intercessor, we can only pray to Jesus and THE OUR FATHER PRAYER IS NULL.
No
@@BasiliscBaz
Its no until you convince him that Jesus is God. And if Jesus is God go back and read the entire Bible again for your own sake
@@Lab-Rat my muslim friend, Jesus is God
Mediation and intercession are two different things
If it were not effective, ie not pleasing to God, then the saints and angels themselves would put an end to it. But why is this devotion pleasing to God? Because it appeals to His wisdom, glory and righteousness., that is, the angels and saints are not there for display or God’s amusement but to aid all men and guide all souls towards Himself and according to the graces He gives them. -based on bk of revelations
Protestants: the type of people to say 'it's a relationship, not a religion' while invalidating the relationship Saints have with our Lord because they're 'asleep'. Make it make sense.
@@Contra.Mundum.you are in validating your own relationship with God by praying to sleeping saints as if they are God that they can be prayed to.
I just prayed to you, can you tell me what I prayed to you? Hmmm .. and you are a saint right ..
@@SeekTheCross Have you read Revelation 5 and Romans 8? Do either life or death separate us from God? No? Then why is it the case that Saints are separated from God's presence once they die? You're contradicting Scripture.
@@Contra.Mundum. What did I pray to you? You are a saint right, answer me.
@@SeekTheCross When did I claim that?
Please all our protestant friends in the comment section, stop being so angry 🤣 Most of you have a wrong understanding of Catholicism, and the few prots who do understand Catholicism are very respectful of it or in their way to become one. If you can practice some intellectual charity and try to learn some basics of Catholicism you'll see most of the arguments prots use against Catholicism are false or wrong. For a better understanding of it I recommend The Bible in a Year with Fr. Mike or the Cathecism in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz as well. If you're so sure about Catholicism being so wrong then you have nothing to fear if you look into what Catholicism is really about. So give it a try.
Question:-
Who are you who do not know your history????
Let us not fight among one another! I am Catholic and love the Church! I love all my brothers and sisters no matter what faith they claim! I pray that all will know JESUS! Peace be with you!!
God bless the Catholic Church of Jesus Christ our Lord. God bless Mother Mary, all the saints in Heaven and God bless St. Michael the Archangel who defends us in battle 🙏
Amen!!
The bishop's argument doesn't convince. It might convince Romans to keep it up, but it falls pitifully short in actually providing a solid argument that someone grounded in biblical truth would find compelling in any way. Prayer - and it is prayer - to saints is dangerous and deliberately takes way from the person and work of Jesus Christ. It is, at best, unnecessary, and at worst blasphemous. It doesn't need to be done. It has no clear command from the epistles, it has no examples from the Old Testament, and most importantly it has absolutely zero recommendation or command from Jesus Christ.
Wrong on every account.
@@davidcole333 Absolutely what a convinced Roman would say. It requires zero effort in actually dealing with the lack of evidence for the position taken by the bishop. The bishop's claims are tenuous at best, but I understand your point of view. I find his argument pretty weak sauce when it squares up with the OT, the NT, and the clear commands of Christ given to the Apostles. I agree with the bishop on several things, but he's outside the scope - as is Rome - of what can be justified by actual adherence to the Word of Christ.
@@pete3397 Catholic: Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Protestant: You are praying to Mary! That’s not allowed!
Catholic: Why?
Protestant: Mary is dead.
Catholic: No, death is a transition to eternal life for those who have found favor with Christ.
Protestant: No answer
Protestant: Dear pastor, you are a good man, pray for me.
Catholic: Er… you said not to pray to anyone other than God.
Protestant: I can pray to my pastor.
Catholic: How so?
Protestant: The pastor is living in this world.
Catholic: So you can pray to your pastor on earth but you can’t pray to Mary and saints in Heaven?
Protestant: Yes that’s correct. Those living on earth are better at praying for you than those in Heaven.
Catholic beats his head on his desk till he gets a headache and cries himself to sleep.
@@rohanmathew3168 The issue isn't death v. eternal life. The issue is the unbiblical assertion that the dead can hear us. We have zero evidence from the OT and the NT of anyone, prophets and apostles, praying to or through the dead. None. And no, asking your pastor or anyone on earth to pray for you is not the same as praying to the saints who are dead. Rome is just making things up to justify what is essentially warmed over pagans practices. Don't beat yourself over the head, just accept that we're right and you're wrong and that Rome no biblical basis for making its claims on prayer to the saints. Moreover, Rome cannot point to an actual teaching of the apostles from tradition that would support this erroneous and mostly anti-Christ belief.
@@pete3397 Luke 16
So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
"Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
Here’s a passage from the scripture that proves that the dead can hear and talk after death. It is Biblical.
I think the biggest challenge is with the word PRAY Protestants don’t understand it’s just a word for asking or conversing with those already in heaven. Protestants never investigate what they’re taught either. The reason so many Catholics leave or are converted is because they’re ignorant of scripture. I was for most of my life. Praise God He provided me with resources to wake me up in dark times.
Rev 5:8 and 8:3 show saints in front of God’s throne praying
Weird since most Protestants think they’re dead
Straight facts
There's a lot of words they don't understand.
There are no saints praying in front of Gods throne in those verses
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp please explain where they are then
Please explain where they are in this verse. I don’t know where the saints are but these verses do not say they are at the throne of God praying.
Great Video!
Frank Turek’s specialty is dealing with athiests, however he is severely lacking in church history and catholic theology. Prayer can be a form of worship, it is also a form of communication. Intercessory prayers are a big part of the early church as revealed in sacred scripture in Rev 5:8.
In the presence of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Angels, Martyrs and Saints we give all Praise and thanksgiving to God alone. To the Father who created us, Jesus Christ his Son who redeemed us and the Holy Spirit who Sanctifies us and dwells within us. We give honour to Mary as that is the way God chose to come into the World. We are all part of the Communion of Saints in the spiritual world giving praise and thanksgiving to God. It is not the Catholic Church changed the prarcice of prayer but Martin Luther when he founded Protestantism.
Jesus we Trust in you. 🙏
''It is not the Catholic Church changed the prarcice of prayer but Martin Luther when he founded Protestantism.''
Not according to the Scriptures. According to the bible it's the Roman church that has changed the practice of prayer. There is no record of prayers to dead saints or Mary ANYWHERE IN THE NT. If it had been common, we would have read about it. Certainly, Paul or Peter would have told us about it, probably dedicated a whole chapter to this supposedly important role of Mary and the saints.
@@danielcristancho3524
As a catholic we see the New Testament as a fulfilment of the old - similar to the Orthodox Church.
St Thomas Aquinas quotes Revelation 8:4: "And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel."
“And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many” (Mt. 27:51-53).
Read Rev 12 . Our Lady’s role wa the fulfilment of the Woman in Genesis.
You have also Mary the mother of Jesus in the Annunciation, Mary in the visitation to her cousin Elizabeth, the birth of our Lord, the presentation in the temple, the wedding feast at Cana and the finding of the child Jesus in the temple all in scripture and referenced in the Old Testament.
In Luke’s Gospel when Jesus and Mary found Jesus after 3 days loss it says Lk:2 -51
“51 - then he (Jesus) went down with them and came to Nazareth and was obedient to them, and his mother treasured all these things in her heart.”
We always find Jesus in the temple of a Catholic church in the Eucharist.
Jesus lived with Jesus and Mary for 30 years and his public ministry was 3 years with the apostles, so Jesus and Mary lived with God in Nazareth in the Holy Family. “ Hail Mary full of Grace” full of grace means to be always full of Gods love” Jesus we trust in you 🙏
@@danielcristancho3524
There is also an example of the Roman Catholic Church changing up the order of the 10 Commandments to circumvent the legalities of Idol Worship.
Again the same old “since we don’t see it in the gospel “ trope.
“And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”
The Bible itself states that not everything that Jesus did is recorded in it. In fact more is unrecorded than recorded “if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. “ And you sit there and say since it is not written in the Bible we will not believe it.
So who’s changing the interpretation of the Bible?
@@rohanmathew3168
I take it your a Cathoh ????
If so who are you who do not know your history???
He starts out by saying that God enjoys sharing or cooperating with his creation,while Isaiah 42:8 states “I am the Lord that is my name and my glory will I not give to another,neither my praise to graven images. He totally pulled that out of thin air.
Rev 5:8 bro
It's the evidence that shows that God is pleased by our cooperation. He could have sent Jesus in a ball of fire without Mary. He could be strong so he didn't need Joseph. But instead, he was born of Mary and protected by Joseph.
@@marcosdisiervi6481 Thats what fallen angels were disgusted about the most Jesus as Son of God coming in human body dying with full humility for salvation of humanity which were viewed as inferior beings and He did all that even though He had full power of God on His disposal..
Did he not give it to Jesus Christ?
St John 8:51-59
Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is worth nothing;
but it is my Father who glorifies me,
of whom you say, ‘He is our God”.
@@JWellsUp
Sounds like a Catholic. Question where does the RCC get its translation from ????
Difference between mediation and intercession. One mediator many intercession. It's praying TO GOD THROUGH THE SAINTS
So saints are SWITCH BOARD OPERATORS????? lol......Jesus states we are as the ANGELS in heaven....Angels CANNOT answer prayers, you do NOT pray to ANGELS.....Jesus again tells us we are LIKE the angels in heaven when you go there...
@user-sb8yy6zj4q Revelation 5:8 states that the prayers of the Saints and angels rise in the form of incense. John was witnessing the heavenly mass. Christ taught us to pray..THY KINGDOM COME ON EARTH AS IT IS JN HEAVEN.
HIS church holds fast to the traditions as Saint Paul instructed. If you want to attribute the miracles (hundreds of thousands) over the years through the intercessory prayers of the Saints and answered by the HOLY SPIRIT to the works of the devil, feel free.
But I would caution you before you do that.
Excellent video my brother
Spot on, love it! God bless you.
I really like Frank Turek, his apologetics to atheists is fantastic. But like all protestant apologists his views of catholicism are way off
Question that will clear up any differences:-
How are you who do not know your history????
@@CH3353N1NJ45 i dont think that question clears anything up...
@@mattduin7144
As in the History of the Church as a whole????
@@CH3353N1NJ45 how am i do not know the history of the church as a whole?
Im sorry i still don't understand your question
@@mattduin7144
Well I urge you to research into Church history. From 34 AD to current year.
It's not biblical that dead souls can even hear us. Can you give an example in the Bible where someone who died can hear conversations on Earth?
The transfiguration on Matthew 17: 1 - 13, where Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus
@Mikejrssmc God's power brought Moses and Elijah's spirit on the mountaintop with Jesus. They were with Jesus and the few disciples, Moses and Elijah was not in the spirit realm. The the disciples were not talking to Moses and Elijah. Also the Bible doesn't mention Moses or Elijah hearing or speaking. Of course you can hear from someone when you're in their presence, but it's different when you're just in the spirit realm away from their presence. The Bible doesn't say that a dead human in the spirit realm can hear conversations of humans on Earth
@@johnroemeeks_apologetics While the disciples did not have conversation with Moses and Elijah, they saw both of them had conversation with Jesus. You mentioned about spirit realm, i will refer to the story that Jesus told in the Gospel of Luke about the rich man and Lazarus. In the Luke 16:25 "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. ..."
Now, how did Abraham know what kind of life either the rich man or Lazarus had lived if He did not witness it?
In the Hebrews 12:1 it is written that we are surrounded by such a great cloud of WITNESSES. The witnesses are the saints / righteous people who had lived and faithful to GOD, who are now trully alive in the presence of GOD in Heaven
Didnt Saul ask a dead man to help him Samuel and didnt he appear to him?
@mariebrett2179 Notice Saul didn't just speak to Samuel himself, he had to go through a medium, mediums use evil spirits in the spirit realm to communicate to other spirits. If Samuel could hear Saul, why did Saul need a medium, which he knew was forbidden by God?
We ask living Christian’s to pray for us, that’s scriptural. Dead saints cannot pray for you
There's no such thing as a "dead" saint and yes they can.
Please read revelation 8:3
Well, if they’re dead, then they’re in hell they are not saints, but the Saints can and do pray for us. I have personally experience many answers to prayers through the Saints, especially through Mary, the mother of God and Saint Anthony, the patron saint of lost and found I mean, I can’t tell you how many times I have lost things look for them for almost an hour and then prayed to Saint Anthony and find them within a minute, so we have a giant train to Saint Anthony here at the church and you can go ahead and do your usual protestant deflection and try to say we worship the statue made in Italy, which is just a reminder of a holy man who served God and you can try to say the statue, but what you say about God’s command to make the image of the angels on top of the ark of the covenant, which had with it the 10 Commandments?
Great video. Thank you!
Praying with others (who are living) is not equivalent to praying to people who are dead.
Deuteronomy 18:11, Isaiah 8:19 and other references explicitly warn against contacting the dead.
28 About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray. 29 As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. 30 Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. 31 They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. Luke 9,28-31
“Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you that in Heaven their angels do always behold the face of My Father who is in Heaven. Matthew 18,10
12 Then the angel of the Lord said, “Lord Almighty, how long will you withhold mercy from Jerusalem and from the towns of Judah, which you have been angry with these seventy years?” 13 So the Lord spoke kind and comforting words to the angel who talked with me.
Zechariah 1, 12-13
9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
Revelation 7, 9-11
22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
Hebrews 12,22-23
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been. Revelation 6,9-11
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?” John 11,25-26
11 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death. Revelation 2,11
The word pray means to ask a favor of, or to beg. Joseph in Genesis could have said to the chief wine steward, I pray that you remember me when you are restored to your position.So, to pray to the saints you are asking them to pray for you! Now that prayer is actually more of to intercede. You need to understand the difference in the use of the word you use.
Well said.
There are no saints in a trinity.
In fact, prayer is also a legal terminology. A prayer gives the judge an idea of what is being sought.
My issue with catholics praying "TO" the saints is that they put their faith, trust and confidence to the saints instead to God.
no, you are vastly misunderstanding.
Just wanted to point out the word prayer means to ask. So when we say the phrase prayer to the saints it means to ask them to pray to God with us. It's just in the past few centuries that Christians started think the word prayer means worship. It has and always will mean to ask no matter how many people want to change it's meaning.
totally agree. however that's not what's happening in the hearts and minds of many Roman Catholics specially in my country, the philippines. they pray to the saints, they even worship, bow down, love, serve and idolized them@@Matt-1926..
I am not againts with the term, I am against with what's going on, reality!
Protastants pick and choose what scripture they want to use to create their own religion
Examples?
@@seamusmcinnes2678Examples 1) they were against the Church of Jesus Christ.2) they did not believe that Jesus Christ our Saviour is presence in the Holy Sacrament. They want to establish their own church they ignore the words of God. Now there are thousand of churches they were against the Church that our Jesus Christ Himself build through Apostle Peter only not even to the 11 Apostle but only one Church through Apostle Peter and the successors are the popes.
@@marymargarette4289 The catholic church has filled your mind with nonsense.
@@seamusmcinnes2678 If you did not believe in the Church that Jesus Christ Himself build and said these words against Jesus Christ Himself.
@@seamusmcinnes2678best example is John 6, the eucharist.
You do a nice job JD!
Very helpful. Thank you!
The Bible says that the dead no not the things of the earth. People that have passed into eternity do not know what is going on in this planet. So we cannot pray to them to help us. This is a total heresy of the Catholic Church. And they will give you all of this mumbo-jumbo and dance around the issue, and it still comes down to nothing. Christ is the only mediator between man and God the father.
And in Luke Lazarus knows what was going on and so does Abraham and so does the rich man Elijah and Moses speak to Jesus in this world about his upcoming exodus so they are all aware scripture says we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses so you wanna live in a universe where it's just Jesus and nobody else Sounds a little selfish to me. That's why the Lord built in the word us into the prayer. Give us this day our daily bread forgive us our trespasses, sorry but you're gonna have to deal with your neighbor. Jesus could have easily just created himself as a man, but he chose to come throughMary, and you want to just throw her away well Jesus didn't he worked his first miracle through her intercession through her mediation ( oh I know you love that one ! lol ) there is a reason that the word of God records that Jesus worked his first miracle through Mary's request she was there. She's also there with the apostles at Pentecost. You just don't want to admit, for some reason that God uses people places and things to help us in our salvation. Well, maybe you admit the thing called the Bible, maybe you think that helps I don't know. Maybe it should just be you and Jesus and no one else in the universe, but God had a plan.
That's why we don't say my father in heaven, we say our father who are in heaven the churches, a family, and Mary is the mother. She is the mother of God. Jesus is fully God and fully man. God chose her so why do you reject her? Because you reject the teaching of the church, the teaching of the early church fathers which talks about the real presence of the Eucharist in the mass which calls Mary the new Eve so you can accept it when scripture says Christ is the new Adam but you reject it when it says in tradition, Mary is the new Eve, I feel sorry for you. Have a very partial compromised version of the gospel without the Eucharist the protestants just want to keep on having the symbol of the Eucharist that the Jews had the unleavened bread at the Passover meal, but Jesus change the Passover meal from symbol to reality, he didn't say this symbolizes my body he said this is my body and then you try to use that line at the end of John to somehow undo the entire meaning of the chapter because you think that the word spirit and the word symbol are synonyms, but they aren't
@@fatherburke9011
Amen! Peace be with you!
☺️🙏🏼❤️🕊️
Protestants 😂
"Even as a man who going into a far country, left his house; and gave authority to his servants over every work, and commanded the porter to watch.
[Mark 13:34]
Jesus states we are like the angels in heaven, NOT the fellow mediators in heaven....big difference.....Catholics LOVE to elevate regular men into God like authority, when it's satan who is pushing this narrative...
@@NashonHanselmanyeah, that's not what we do but nice lie there. We do not elevate saints to the level of God. Your statement is a flat lie Repent and turn back to the church of Christ.
@@NashonHanselman you are going against the will of God ,God chooses to use people places and things to assist him in the plan of salvation. I think you should get rid of your Bible because it's not Jesus it's coming between you and Jesus don't love your Bible. Just love Jesus. Yes I am being sarcastic.
I love your videos Joseph! I was a Protestant for 40 years and I didn't get this, until I realized that I had it all wrong. When the Bible says that there is only one mediator, and that is Christ Jesus, all Christians should agree. BUT, what is Christ the mediator for in this verse? Your salvation. Protestants are trying to extend the meaning of this verse to mean a mediator for your petitions as well as your salvation. Protestants, do us all a favor, if you TRULY believe this, and we cannot go to the Saints or Angels to pray to God on our behalf, then do us all a favor, don't ever ask someone to pray for you. Because you are now putting me in a position as a mediator for your petitions. Don't ever ask anyone else, just go to God.
Thats a very good point !
@@JDcatholicEngage
No, it's not.
The difference between asking a living Christian to pray for you and asking a deceased Christian to pray for you is the fact that I can speak to the living Christian right now, today and he can agree to pray for me or tell ME no. You, however, have zero scripture for this practice of asking the dead in Christ to pray for you.
Also, Paul asked Christians many times on his epistles to pray for him. He never once asked one of the martyrs to pray for him. He never asked Stephen, whose murder he endorsed, to pray for him. In fact, you can't give me a single biblical example where a living Christian asked a deceased Christian to pray for them.
Give me one example in Scripture where the living prayed to them dead and it wasn't condemned.
@@terrifictomm - I used to think like you, dead is dead. It's not like we are communicating with the dead, but the Bible references the cloud of witnesses that follow us, so the Saints in heaven are aware of what we are going through on earth. But, I have a feeling that nothing I say will sway you, because you've already made up your mind that Catholics are wrong and should be hated.
@@KSTrekker
Oh, shut the Duck up, you lying hypocrite! I never even IMPLIED hatred for Catholics. Is the only way you think you can win is by playing the victim?
And your argument doesn't answer my point. Show me one place in the entire Bible, where a living Christian prays to the dead in Christ and gets an answer. But you can't, can you? Because there isn't such a verse. No such example.
@@DanV.Teachings
Thank you for enlightening me with you wisdom and insight.
I eagerly await the product of your next bowel movement.
Thanks for explaining
Great video JD. It would be great if you could also link the 3 videos used in here for those who would love to check them out.!
The point that the protesters make , not asking for help through the saints , but through their friends or brothers & sisters in Christ, shows their lack of understanding of the spiritual nature of the human soul.
Do you erect statues of your friends, and bow down before them? Stop pretending this is something other than what it is.
I was raised Catholic.
There was a big difference between what the priest say. Praying to Saints means and what the common Catholic believer means when they talk about praying to Saints.
I look at the way it's practiced by the common Catholic. And there's no way you can get away from the overwhelmingly pagan nature of prayer to Saints.
lol 😂 I guess the archangel Gabriel was just a pagan when he honored Mary and the gospel of Luke. I guess the Holy Spirit is a pagan in your view because he inspires Saint Elizabeth to cry. Out blessed are you among women! You have to understand that God chooses to use people as part of his salvation plan. He did great things with Moses and Elijah, but an even greater thing with Mary the savior of the world came to us through her.
@@fatherburke9011
Like every lay Catholic I've ever met, your exegetics suck!
No one mentioned Mary or Gabriel. But to the point, Mary never once PRAYED to Gabriel! Are you claiming Gabriel prayed to Mary? Of course not! He delivered a message and she listened to him and accepted his message. "Be it unto me according to thy word! Let there be a performance of all that thou hast spoken for nothing is impossible with God!" She didn't ask him for anything. He didn't ask her for anything!
Then, out of your butt, you assert I'm confused about the Holy Spirit? Your stupid dishonesty is glaring and obvious!
Look. Just reread your comment. I'm sure you'll be able to see how irrelevant it was to this entire video and my comment specifically.
U were raised Catholic. Are u still one? How much of the faith did u assimilate?
@@fatherburke9011angels are not equal to man. The Holy Spirit is not equal to man. Seriously, you people would make me laugh if this were not so serious.
I don't see how you can associate the blessed mother, the mother of Jesus or Saint Joseph, the foster father of Jesus with pagans. They are good people they love us. They are part of our spiritual family and they want to help us on earth. I don't see any paganism anywhere, sounds like you let Martin Luther into your head. It's a very skewed perspective. Satan does better when he can take away help that God has given to you. You guys need to stop with the protestant chant Jesus and the Bible Jesus in the Bible sorry but God has a wider plan than just that narrow view.
Dear Protestant Pastor you don't
Need to understand , Catholics
Praying to saints.
Thanks not an answer.
We forget their are demons that block our prayers. The intercession of the saints help with the break through
@@mil-ns3rcNo.....all you are doing is ELEVATING man, which Catholic priests/popes have to do to stay relevant.......Jesus states we are like the angels in heaven...we do NOT pray to the angels...Angels are MESSENGERS...
Protestant ministers constantly need to bash and keep their congregation convinced that the Catholic Church is wrong and non Christian since the Catholic Church is in direct competition with their income.
If their congregation leaves or converts to Catholicism then there goes their income house cars etc.
So as a Protestant minister one needs to choose from the categories to remain open:
1.Prosperity Gospel Motivational Speaker
2. End Times Panic Speaker
3. Hate filled Catholic propaganda Speaker
4. Emotional Speaker with bands
Revelation 5:8; 8:3-4: "In heaven the elders and angels offer up the prayers of the saints [on earth] as incense before the throne of God."
I've also came across many Protestants who believes that there isn't heaven. Yet they can recite the Apostle's Creed, which states "communion of saints", indicating that they contradict their own beliefs. Because"the communion of saints " indicates that there are people in heaven. The Bible also mentions "saints" several times in the New Testament. Also indicating that there are people who are in heaven
The Bishop has not destroyed the apologist unless he debates him live, allowing for interactions back and forth.
You’re saying arguments are only valid if they occur in the way you arbitrate. Humble yourself “Christian.”
You can request your fellow brother/ sister to pray for you ; it's ok; but not to the deceased one.
Source?
There are multiple instances throughout history of people, asking the Saints in heaven to pray for us, and with us, I myself have experienced my conversion through the prayers of Mary through her, entering into my life through the miraculous metal and the rosary. The idea that she’s not hearing my prayers and not praying for me and with me is absurd, prayers of mine have been answered her powerful intercession also Saint Joseph St Teresa the little flower she actually said before she died I will spend my heaven doing good upon the earth the idea of separating the Saints in heaven from the rest of the mystical body of Christ on earth is absurd. These people with the Bible only theory which is not in the Bible, which only came from father Martin Luther 1500 years after the church began, and by the way is technologically dependent upon the printing press and widespread literacy, and would not have worked on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the book of acts Saint Peter would’ve thought he was nuts. The idea of a book replacing people is absurd. All these people that “the Bible only the are quoting father Martin Luther, who broke from the Catholic Church five years ago he is their leader they follow him, but he’s not part of the church he’s not one of the original apostles, his words are not in scripture. Scripture does not say once saved always saved the scripture. Say the Bible only.theory , they are not quoting from the word of God they are quoting from the word of man, and that man is Martin Luther. He is their leader. He is their teacher. They have the abandoned Christ and his church and that authority to follow the authority of Martin Luther.
I don’t need thousands of saints, I just need the only one Jesus.
Who said you need thousand Saints ?
You need them. If not to pray to them atleas study them. If you want to get rich, study a rich man on how he became rich. If you want to go to heaven, Study how the saints got there. I dont understand how you dont believe in heavenly role models who applied the teachings of Jesus
@@henrylimnyuy3195Who are saints? How much are you sure that some saint is surely in Heaven? May be your saint is in Hell.
Such a weird statement. Firstly, no one needs thousands of saints, that's a strawman. Secondly, saints aren't implied to be on Jesus level so there's no competition. Thirdly, only needing Jesus doesn't mean you can ignore His church. Lastly, having Christian role models isn't a bad thing...
you will not understand the mystery of God, because your faith is not sure in your life
Frank just committed the very thing he warns people about. He himself says that when a pianist plays a composers song poorly to not blame the composer. Yet here he is pretty much mockingg Catholicism because one priest answered his question poorly.
Its very simple. Most catholics treats Jesus like if he was dead and still on the cross. For some reason, Roman Catholics keep funding this spirit of dead around Crist and not acknowledging that he is infact alive. He might be even walking around us. He also left very details explanations on the recorded manuscripts. But almost every Roman Catholic brings out their own conclusions and interpretations of what Jesus pretended to say, instead of reading what he said.
I love Frank, but golly, as a former Catholic, he doesn’t have a good grasp of Catholicism at all.
My dad left Catholicism too and became a Christian, because he knew it was all smoke and mirrors, or better known as TRADITIONS.....Look up what Jesus stated about TRADITIONS of men, and the Catholics have recently added these traditions as EQUAL to the Bible??????????????????????....Catholics do NOT read the Bible,just like the Jews are encouraged not to read the New Testament, instead you rely on REGULAR men to tell you what to do...
That is sad to see you leave the catholic church established by jesus so easy?,the early Christians got devoured by beast for defending thier faith,. Why simply give up just as easy? Didn't jesus say " but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved Matthew 24:13😇
@@Catholic101A.I’m not sure what your comment is in reference to.
@@NashonHanselmanI’m sorry your dad didn’t have a good faith formation. I’m so sorry you have such a poor understanding of the Catholic faith and therefore, the roots of Christianity as well.
It is not true that Catholics are not encouraged to read the Bible. I’m not sure which Protestant told you that or why your dad believed that. If one only attended mass, you would go through the entire Bible every 3 years.
If you want to have a conversation about the beliefs of the Catholic Church, I’d be happy to clear up all of the misconceptions. If you’d rather accuse or continue to believe what you want to be true then no need to respond, but I pray Jesus Christ blesses you abundantly.
@@Catholic101A. I think you better retire your word processor.
Destroys? I guess using violent language gets you more views. Such is the way of the world.
true,
Jesus himself taught us how to pray: "Our father in Heaven...", not "Our saints and Mary in heaven..." The apostles in the Book of Acts and St. Paul demonstrate prayer and even give instruction, for instance Paul in Phil. 4:6: "...in EVERY situation...present your requests to God." (not Mary, St. Peter, etc.). In EVERY situation, not just some. In 66 books, hundreds of pages recording the prayers of old and new testament people of God, not once does any of them pray to any departed human being. The only recorded instances of humans trying to contact the departed are condemned in the Bible. No old or new testament writer endorses praying to anybody other than God, father, son and holy spirit. None of the apostles modeled or suggested praying to departed saints or Mary. Why is that? After St. Stephen was stoned to death why did nobody in the New Testament pray to him? If God wanted us to pray to departed humans don't you think he would recommend it or give us an example to follow at least once in the Bible? You duck all of this in the video and resort to strawman arguments about whether God will share his glory or whether we can ask friends to pray for us - I have no problem with either so your arguments are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Sure, go ahead and violate all instruction in the Bible about how we are to pray, ignore the examples of prayers of holy men and women recorded in the Bible, ignore the fact that not once is praying to departed humans endorsed in the Bible. You can do that if you want, but I think I'll keep praying how Jesus and the apostles instructed us and modeled for us.
The Biggest issue with Catholics is they do NOT read the Bible, and rely on these types of PRIESTS and POPES(corrupt people, just as ministers are corrupt, meaning they still have the sin nature and CAN give you the wrong information).....
1. Catholics do not read the Bible.
2. They ADDED the Popes, Purgatory, prayer to saints, the importance of mary, and worst of all, the TRADITIONS of the Catholic church as EQUAL to the Bible.....it's so obviously been demonically influenced to EXAGGERATE the importance of NEEDING a MAN to get to heaven, aka priests/popes, etc......Christians do NOT need a MINISTER, but if they follow the Word of God, they should be able to help those who need it, BASED on the Word...
amen you said it all. nothing more to say. praying TO or FOR dead people is evil
Thank you
The spin does NOT destroy to ONLY pray to Jesus.
very nice..it helps me enlighten. thank you.
It is so amazing to be able to call the Saints of the ages our friends. And so lonely not to, or to thing that once we die, we are no longer able to commune with the Christians still on earth in doing the will of God.
to rbcmmimes - protestant so called denomination’s don’t exist. There’s ONLY ONE CHURCH the holy Catholic Church. Now please read my other comment. God bless.
This is a great channel. Protestant here, on my own journey. Blessings. 🙏
Great. Continue ion yr journey as a mediator.
Wow not to dead ones but only ask alive people to pray for you? They are more alive then we are. They are in heavenly home they won the race they persevered. They won their crown wirh gods glory
It is nice to discuss these things within the Christian family of friends. I am C but I respect the contribution of FT as brave apologist.
Excellent..very very good
Just like Mary, we pray through them to Jesus. Key word is THROUGH and not TO.
Totally agree with you👍🏼
Great vid
Jesus never set a bad example. If He had a pressing need to communicate with the Church Triumphant to get advice about his difficulties here on earth, why can't we? I'm referring to his conversation with Moses and Elijah in front of the 'three pillars (Gal. 2:9)' of Peter, James, and John.
Communicating with the saints by the power of God also makes us illustrious and transfigures us into new creatures in Christ.
There would be no Lourdes if St. Bernadette had not communicated with Our Lady.
it's is true : we have only ONE mediator. But we have also many, many, INTERCESSORS for us: The SAINTS of the CHURCH !
Yes Jesus is out one true mediator because no one but the Savior unites in himself the divinity, which demands reconciliation, and the humanity, which needs to be reconciled.
The reason no one can be a mediator is because only Jesus is both divine and human. The incarnation is the reason why Christ alone can reconcile us to the Father.
However, that being said we are all called to be intercessors. An intercessor is a go between. I do prison ministry, it I bring an inmate a Bible and study with him every week and get him praying and thinking about God I just interceded on his behalf. Without my intercession this guy might have never known Christ and repented desiring salvation. Not claiming I saved him all I am pointing out is I did what Christ asked me to do, I spread His Gospel message.
God Bless
How often do priests ask choir boys to come to their vestry for further teaching.
I really enjoy the book "The purpose driven life" by Rick Warren. He is protestant. The first chapter (if I remember correctly) starts with stating that our purpose is to worship God. While I get what he is saying, it always seemed something was missing. And now I finally understand - the purpose is relationship with God, and part of that relationship involves worship.
I've always found it interesting that Catholics reject the Holy Spirit who intercedes for us when we pray to God. Do they think that Mary or the saints will get God to give you what you want if it's something He doesn't want you to have or might want you to have more, but you aren't willing to wait on Him.
That's sad that so many waste their breath because they want something now that they themselves may not need or want resolved in a way that God doesn't want them to resolve it.
Isaiah 42:8 “I am the Lord! That is my name! I will not share my glory with anyone else, or the praise due me with idols" - praying to "saints" who cannot hear you is blasphemous
A lot of this discussion centers around the understanding of “what is the Church ? “.
They don’t understand what the bible means by mediation
It's against the moral law to pray for the dead for help as it's spiritual adultery. Mediation and prayer is two different things.
There you go again. If your sect has the real truth. Then tell us honestly (if your pastor told you to be honest)
What sect or denomination you belong to? Don't be ambiguous, be honest.
@DadoMac This is black and white in the bible as a law .No domination or pastor needed,just jesus as king.Do you need the verses ?
@@Hendriks82 Oh you mean Jews, like Jesus don't need their rabbis?
Is that that your pastor taught you? You want me to believe you don't belong to any denomination or sect? That's plain dishonesty, a devil's tactic.
I wonder how many Catholics have read the following:
John 14:6 Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me."
Notice how this passage does not mention one word about Mary, saints, popes or priests.
Don’t let anyone try to put magic spells on other people. Don’t let any of your people become a medium or a wizard. And no one should try to talk with someone who has died. Deuteronomy 18:11
That’s the Old Testament. There’s a reason why it is called the OLD Testament.
But then again them pointed hats are baller
@@CH3353N1NJ45 Yeah I guess that's why the pope likes them.
@@rohanmathew3168 Couldn't be further from the truth.
Matthew 5:17-18.
“THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFIL. FOR VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.”
1) His anecdote about the Catholic priest may be fabricated (the priest shrugging when asked about scripture) or, and more likely, 2) The priest simply did not want to engage a mind that was closed anyhow.
preists were too busy thinking about the next child they were going to mollest...
@@NashonHanselman May God rebuke you.
I thought he was going to explain why Roman Catholics pray to the saints in heaven
The catholic apologetics did not even quote a scripture. When it comes to prayer, its clear; We pray to the father in the name of Jesus
Thanks for your video. It strengthens my faith in Jesus alone and not rely on my good works for salvation, as some false teachers say. You've nailed it, Ephesians 2:8-9 says, it is by grace through faith that we are saved, NOT by good works lest any man should boast". You've stated it as clear as a noon day sun. There is no mediator between God and man, only Jesus... so clear!!! Thank you🫡
Every time a person evangelize or speaks about Jesus, or prays for another in the name of Jesus, that person is a mediator.
@@lorrainehodge3693 ah you mean: 1 Timothy 2:5 says, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."