Dear CGI globe lovers ♥️ keep in mind that the antikithera mechanism is the scientific working model of our beautiful non rotating flat earth in the center of the whole universe ♥️ the Greeks knew it's a zodiac system not a solar system. 😮
Well that doesn't leave much wiggle room for the inearthers n quite frankly i think it goes against every ideology of equality n i for one will not stand by it
I wish scientists were just a bunch of guys chewing on cigars and drinking whiskey. It would save me, a theoretical subatomic particle physicist, a lot of time and energy I otherwise have to invest into studying laws of the universe before I predict anything.
There is no edge , it's a plain not a plane-et they flew off the ball in an aeroplane bc they forgot to nose down every few miles and the water fell off bc oceans of water don't stick to a spinning ball
@@bostonraymudfloodadventures yes, I agree Don Pettit (probably a pun intended) a sick one at that……… and it is a painful process to listen to an actonaught as boring and fake as that man mind you useful idiots definitely excel in the purpose of revelation of the method😂🤫🤫🤫
@@bostonraymudfloodadventures is it possible that they recruited the man from a schoolyard while he was handing out sweets? He kind of fits the description inclusive of his mannerisms I’m sure he’s probably a practising paediatric hypnotist?
>as you go higher and higher you see more and more of ancient lost continents beyond the great ice >then you have to contact the dealer again to continue the journey
For what it's worth, in the Llano Estacado region of the Texas Panhandle, the land is flat enough to actually see the curvature of the earth. Also, one of the most surreal things I have ever seen in my life was looking northeast through a arroyo from a Mesa top in northwest New Mexico and seeing the Rockies in the distant, BELOW the point of with I was standing. Looking down to see mountains is one of the most memorable things I have experienced in the outdoors.
You do realize that you can’t see the curvature of the Earth from any place on the planet? Neil degrasse Tyson says you have to be way above it to see it. But maybe u know more than him? He even says if you’re up in earth orbit, it still looks flat. But you people swear you see it on a plane and now you’re saying you seen it while u are standing,lol.
@@Jusdippin78 Neil Degrasse Tyson is demonstrably wrong on many thing. This is one such case. Perhaps having life experiences outside of your parents basement will prevent you from repeating some of his mistakes.
@@Jusdippin78 Well, so this is what hurt my brain for a moment to try to imagine it. He's not saying he saw the 'horizon curving', like 'looking from a beach out to the ocean horizon'. He was saying that he saw the curvature in that, while up on a mesa (which is 'up a good bit' usually but not nearly all THAT tall), he could see in the gap of an arroyo "Mountains in the farther-distant horizon" that weren't visible from his normal ground-level (or even mesa-level?) height. Basically, he stood WAY up on a short mountain, and in that specific direction, the mountains appeared to be 'below his mesa's level' because the arroyo's valley allowed him to see much further down along its length. Say his mesa was 2k feet tall. Say the arroyo was 1000 feet deep. He has an effective '3000 feet of altitude'. This let him see the horizon that he would have seen from that far end of the *arroyo*, which included seeing some of the Rockies being barely-high-enough to be visible in the distance. He was effectively looking from 3,000 feet of altitude, and 'barely seeing the mountains in the distance'...but that 'showed the horizon' too. The mountains were BARELY visible, barely peeking up in the distance...from BELOW WHERE HE WAS STANDING on a 2k altitude Mesa somewhere, and looking into the valley in the distance. The mountains aren't underground, right? So they are 'just as tall as ever', but he saw them as 'below him' when he was only a mere 2k feet up. The only way that works was to have had a line-of-sight that let him barely see them in the distance, and it happened to have that happen 'when looking out along this deep arroyo' that gave him additional 'effective altitude'. He saw the 'curvature of the earth' by LITERALLY seeing that a super-tall-thing was barely-visible in the distance, and not at all visible from ground-level where he was, which is only possible if he was seeing 'though that valley' and into the deeper distance, where the mountains were 'barely-visible from that further valley', which he was standing ABOVE. From 2k up and looking through 1k depth of valley, his horizon would have been 70-ish miles out or whatever. That additional "height plus depth" showed him what he'd have seen from a mesa 3k tall; the bare beginnings of the Rockies being visible in the distance. He was seeing 'away'-horizon, not 'across-horizon'. The curvature left-to-right is hard to measure, but ahead isn't as hard in some VERY specific circumstances. Like, with +2 and -1k foot landscapes, and an 8k-foot tall mountain being barely visible in the distance. The barely-above-the-arroyo-bottom-horizon barely could see the mountain-tops, so thus he saw the mountains as "Below him" from that point of view. It's pretty wild...but also totally makes sense if you work out the math for it. That's why it blew my mind a bit.
as someone who lives in the southern hemisphere (south america more specifically) i think it's HILARIOUS that these people think we don't have regular airplane flights.
@@AndySmith4501a shit ton of people claim Santiago to Sydney or Perth to South Africa direct flights don’t exist when they just objectively do and call the flights fake
@@AndySmith4501 sure. Qantas QF28 is the flight number for just Sydney to Santiago. That alone disproves flat earth as this flight would just not be possible
@@skeletor2994I disagree on the grounds that it's increasingly difficult to distinguish between the actually stupid and the people making fun of them 🤔
Nowadays flat earthers just dropped the part when they try to convince you of anything. Now they just proclaim that if you think the earth is round you should prove it to them, and then refuse to engage with arguments presented. They stopped producing arguments, because it's just a theory, bro, no one knows how exactly the earth is flat, therefore it can't be proven, but it is anyway. Complete insanity. They dismiss basic geometry. It goes round and round.
@@RobotacularRoBobwhen he first hit the scene at the end of his videos he was encouraging people to self harm to escape the soul matrix. Giving instructions to do "blood over intent" rituals by cutting yourself and bleeding over what you want or some weird crap. Wonder if he scrubbed all those videks. He also weny on some rants about the holocaust
As a geographer, flat earth makes me cry because it would make my job so much easier. Taking something a round earth (which is not a perfect sphere but actually a oblate spheroid) and getting it to translate onto a two dimensional surface like a map is...rough. You can only realistically maintain a few of 5 properties (Area, Shape, Direction, Bearing, and Distance) truly accurately during the translation which is why different types of maps are used for different types of tasks. Ex. the Mercator projection we all know was made for navigational purposes and is not the best one to represent the globe as it maintains bearing but distorts shape/size but was chosen because its a nice rectangle and looked good on a wall.
This is something I find funny about you drones. We’ve seen perfectly round pictures of the globe earth all our lives but as soon as an authority figure comes and tells you the earth is actually not perfectly round but more pear shaped, you go ‘Oh, I didn’t know that - wow, thanks for telling us Mr. Physicist’. Why doesn’t it occur to you to ask the obvious question like someone capable of critical thought?
@@mollykeane2571 The difference between the Earth's shape and a perfectly sphere is less than 1%. Pear shaped is a mathematical description and not a comparison to a piece of fruit. Why must you flerf dimbulbs constantly lie in order to try and prove your nonexistent points? No flat earther ever has or ever will be capable of critical thought. If you could think critically, you would instantly realize how every single thing about flat earth is completely wrong and with no basis in reality whatsoever.
I liked this video a lot but I am kind of disappointed not to have an hour at the beginning where you cover which shape every native Americian culture thought the earth was.
Would you trust a band that is know to be quite eccentric, or would you trust the literal hundreds of millions of people saying and giving proof that the Earth is a globe?....Just curious..
I'm a Stephen King fan and love his books but in his book The Mist, there's characters in the book when the monsters first arrive through the mist and all the people were trapped in the store. Two guys are members of the flat earth society but they do not believe that there's monsters outside. It's all a hoax, they go outside into the mist and get mauled by the monsters. This is definitely Stephen King laughing at them through his work. I thought that was brilliant.
If i was getting 25 Dollars a month from 35 hundred people i would say the Earth is flat as well. That's pretty good money especially back in those days. 💯🌍🌎🇺🇸
100%. I actually visited the tower in 2009, shortly before they “officially” changed the name. Even the people working there at the time said it’s forever the Sears Tower.
Whenever I see or think about breaking down flat earth arguments I cant help but see how they're basically the same as Young Earth arguments. It all boils down to "my interpretation of the bible HAS to be true so that means this thing is true". Then just bat away any proof they're shown
There isn’t any actual proof the earth is millions of years old, but unlike wild flat earth theories there is evidence of the earth being much younger than an atheist would say. I personally believe the earth is around 12,000 years old
@@stretch4576 we have used nuclear dating to find rocks in canada that are ~4 billion years old, there's plenty of proof that Earth is a very old marble.
@@stretch4576 if the earth was young we would see no stars and almost no geological formations would exist. Entire fields of science would have to be proven completely wrong for the earth to be young.
In the section with the "blurry photos that don't prove curvature", you can actually see a very minor curve in the wide shot of the ocean! the red line touches the ocean in the center, but there are a couple pixels of sky under the red line at the edges.
Folding Ideas, who also does video essays, has pointed out that Flat Earth theorists don't believe the Earth is Flat because there is evidence for Flat Earth, they believe it because Flat Earth is evidence for other things that they also believe. E.g., that NASA is a propaganda organization.
Dude I've fallen in love with your videos because of the actual lore of the American lands and the people who lived here before. I've learned so much over the past couple weeks and I cant help but listen to every video you've put out
I wish the cringe land acknowledgements were like the Lore Lodge’s history lessons. Would feel more sincere than the current way land acknowledgements are recited. 🤷🏽♀️
@@reeaaady418 Oh man, I'd totally want to ride on the "Edge of the World" super-coaster, that's for sure! Even if it was in the ice-wall, I'd still want to.
please, tell a civil engineer that water finds it's own level. fun fact, water towers are built at a certain height to induce a specific pressure in the municipal water supply (look into why it's that pressure if you are interested.) because weight is relative and based on local gravity, the height of even pressure (the level that water always finds it's way to) changes as you go from place to place.
I think you missed the point. Yes what you say is true, however, when you look to see it's level you will see a straight line. It's not curved because water does in fact find level. With pressure etc you can manipulate that level but when left to its own devices it always finds level. That's why spirit levels have been used for thousands of years
@@xrexc3179 Wow...!!! Ever filled a level glass with water to the point its nearly spilling over...??? That curved bump you see on top is the miniscus... Proves water curves though......
The key belief I want flat earthers to explain is what is their idea of gravity or a downward force on the "flat disk". Does it come from the bottom of the disk or the space beneath the disk? What makes things stick or gravitate to the "top" surface of the disk? Why can't we jump up off the disk into space? What is mass?
Electrostatics...buoyancy and density sort it out!! All of the above exist! They are NOT theoretical! "Spacetime" and "gravity" have NEVER been proven to exist! Can't even call them THEORIES! Hypotheses at best...
@@brianwebber6996_ROADHUNTER ok so what's causing the electrostatics? Buoyancy (presumably of water on the surface of the disk) doesn't explain why things fall to the surface of the disk, nor does density... (density of what)?
@@ekaterinastacey3132density in relation to air is what defines buoyancy out of water. If something is more dense than air it falls to the ground. If it's less dense it "floats". The relation is to air because that is what our atmosphere is made of that's all around us C'mon ppl this is elementary school stuff
@@brianwebber6996_ROADHUNTER 1000% copy and paste logic from austin witsit who always somehow proves globe with his citations 😂 you will never be able to explain why my and every other road going car will experience a slower rate of acceleration when accelerating up and hill, and you will never be able to explain why i cant lock my cars front axle under hard braking up a hill when i can easily do so on a flat surface. Flat earth ended with a car and a hill 😂😂😂
Aussie here, can cofirm that I use flight tracker to track flights in the southern hemisphere all the time. In fact, you can even use it to track water bombers, which I have done many times when there have been bush fires near me.
As a Chicago native who vacations at WARREN DUNES STATE PARK a couple times a year, since I was born, the idea Chicago is visible = Flat earth is HILARIOUS. You can jump in a boat and be at Chicago in an hour or less, depending on how fast you're going, cause it's just that close. Did this guy forget smog and clouds exist, alongside refraction?
It helps to think about it as more of a religion of "The world confuses me and I don't like it." They are right and you are a blasphemer. Err, 'wrong'. They don't refute anything with proof, they toss a few factoids at you and hope they can make you pause for long enough to look one stupid one up to let them escape you. It's never about facts, and if you 'fact' at them too much they find some tiny detail to freak out about and then escape by 'not being able to deal with you right now' and stuff like that. It's not a lack of knowledge...it's frightened 'ignorant people' who don't like that the world is complicated, and now they have a religion...their eyes. "I can SEE that the earth is flat, and if I don't think about it, I'm perfectly happy that way!" You know what, I should make this a comment of my own under this video...
My dad has told this story throughout my life: A man was convinced that he was a dead man. No matter what friends and family said to him to convince him that he was not a dead man walking around, he didn't believe them. One day, a friend of his asked him if dead men bleed. The man said, "Of course not." His friend then quickly cut him with a knife, making him bleed. The man looked at his wound and declared, "Whattaya know? Dead men DO bleed!" Flat-earthers remind me of that man.
Yet a globe believer such as yourself requires no evidence and is happy to participate in the modern day religion of scientism. Not only are you ignorant of your own belief you also ignorant to all of the evidence contradicting it.
@@SamPedroCactuswhat "numbers"? The only videos I've ever seen of flat Earthers with their long distance photography are saying look there is clearly curvature but not as much as "the formula" says there should be, surely any curvature over water proves the earth is not flat.
According to flat earthers this is just a small example of people who are all in on the lie. Scientists-8,000,000 Pilots-351,000 Flight attendants-248,700 Free masons-875,000. That's a total of 9,492,700 and not one single whistle-blower has ever came out and spilled the beans? Ever?
The icewall is the part that confuse me the most. Because people have been to the poles and there is no ice wall? People have been living on the arctic and since the 1820s the Antarctic has also been explore. Where is that ice wall?
To be fair to my understanding in flat earth world view the north pole is just center of the disc so there wouldn be ice wall in the north. It obviously still doesnt make sense why antarctis would be actually ice wall
It all comes from Gleason's time chart that uses the AE projection of the globe. Even Gleason said so, yet the ignorant and stubborn won't accept anything that kills their feeling of being special.
@@mayg9933 All they have to do is read Gleason's patent application which reads in part... "The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles." They completely ignore these words which shows just how deep the FE indoctr1nation is. It's literally a mental illness.
Bro your shirt got the flatties crying like bitches. "Mason boy" I'm so dead omg, this was EPIC and the shirt was just icing on the cake. Well done!!!😂😂
Best iceberg arguments for the flat earth titanic I have seen yet!! Well done! drive.google.com/file/d/1fcmIaAo1fsB8mY8SYht6jUBo2A2wXg55/view?usp=drivesdk
@@FlorianMark If these people are really dull enough to believe in the horrible horrible math that of flat earth believers, it doesn’t matter what he wears, they aren’t going to believe it.
these flat earth ppl must not have any surveyors in their family lmao. my grandfather and father now my younger brother is too. They would beg to differ that the earth is flat, and they measure the earth so I trust them.
Well, yeah, but Flat Earth folks aren't into 'facts'. It's more of a religion, worshiping "When things were simpler." Even though they were never simpler like that, but again, they aren't worried about facts! They believe, and so they believe. That's all they believe, and you are just wrong. No matter what you think, if you think not-the-same, you're wrong. It's religion without the God. It's idiocy without the village to keep them. ( And that's me joking about 'village idiots' running amok in this day and age. )
Fun fact about that Steelers-Vikings game. Steelers coach Bill Cowher recieved a printed out picture of the broadcast showing 11 men on the field, and, after screaming at the ref, stuffed the picture in the ref’s shirt pocket before storming off.
Oh hey, my home town. I can confirm that Californian Lancastrians do in fact pronounce the town name *Lan*caster. I counter argue that if there's room for Arkansas and Kansas then there's also room for Lancaster and Lancaster. 😅
In fairness to Arkansas and Kansas, they have a reason for the divergence. Kansas is an English approximation of the name of the native people from there, and Arkansas is a French attempt at the same thing.
I watched 2 church leaders arguing about the shape of the earth. The flat earth advocate, a nutcase straight from the asylum, said the reason why astronauts and pilots THINK the earth is round is: Because of the shape of the windows/portals being round or oval. It's an optical illusion. My son served on an Arle Burke destroyer. His ship never fell off during any deployment or cruises. My husband served in the Army for over 24 years in Test Measurement Diagnostic Equipment (TMDE) aka calibration. They had to consider the rotation and shape of the earth while during their job. In other words, the earth is round. My father-in-law was a Civil Engineer and surveyor. He said the earth was NOT flat. If you're attending a flat earth church and getting saved based on the shape of the earth, you have totally misunderstood the Bible and salvation.
Ooooohh it just clicked for me. Buck Rodger, Duck Dodgers of the 21st century, Daffy Ducks space going persona. I always knew it was a parody but now i get the refrance material
"hiding God" makes me laugh too. According to them their god could only make a few thousand miles of dirt and a fake sky. My creator made an entire universe, billions, trillions, uncountable stars and planets.
It's not that Dubay is making a mistake messing up the equation, he is intentionally misleading other flerfs for monetary gain. The big names all do this. Don't forget if people are going to use a curvature calculator online, make sure it accounts for refraction.
I work with a Flat Earther. The basis of his belief lies in his religious beliefs combined with his belief that space isn't real and science is basically mythical mumbo jumbo... I just can't...
Flying proves globe earth. I used to fly frequently between Singapore and Houston, roughly the other side of the world. There were 3 flight routes I tried. West via London and the Atlantic Ocean, East via Hong Kong and the Pacific Ocean, and North via Moscow and the Arctic Ocean. All took roughly one day’s flying, so that fact that you can get to another location on earth in the same time by flying in 3 different directions is proof the world is a globe - have a look at these flight paths on a globe compared to a flat earth pizza! Flights easily prove the globe is real. There was no route south over antarctica, as no stops to make any economic sense in antarctica…but flerfers will cherry pick this latter fact as proof of a flat earth conspiracy due to many reasons: NASA bans the flight over antarctica as part of its great conspiracy Plane will hit great ice wall and crash Plane will fly over great ice wall but hit Perspex firmament and crash Plane will fly over great ice wall straight into outer space to be sucked up in a great vacuum cleaner NASA will shoot the flight down NAZI UFOs from ancient alien U-boat bases on Antarctica will shoot the flight down Giant electric penguins with laser guns for eyes will shoot the flight down You cannot argue with flerfers - they are either grifting or too badly educated to change their minds
This is a good comment; it’s funny, insightful, and well written. A moment that I experienced that really proved to me the Earth is round without anyone else having to tell me or show me data (not that I needed proving, I fully believe in science and it’s usefulness) was when I went on a cruise for the first time recently and as we went away from the shore where there were some tall buildings, I used my binoculars and over time saw the buildings appear to sink and go down as we went further away. By the time we were 37 miles out, I could still see the tips of the buildings with my binoculars. It was actually pretty fun
"Dude, write a fantasy novel" Fun fact for those who haven't studied any of Tolkien (I assume many here probably have): For the Elves, the world is flat, but it is round for Men and the other races. This is why 1) the elves can sail West to their lands and not come back around the earth, and 2) Legolas can see MUCH farther than any of the rest of the Fellowship, the horizon doesn't fall away on a curve, it goes on forever.
This isn’t true at all. When Arda was made during the Ainulindale, it was flat. At the end of the second age, Valinor (in Aman, the Undying Lands as people know them) was “hidden” by Illuvitar and the world was made round causing Númenor to be swallowed by the sea. The story is Tolkien’s take on the Atlantis story in many ways. Afterwards, the elves are guided along a special way to return to Valinor by ship sailing west after they have been granted permission to do so by the Valar after thousands of years of exile. Idk where you heard about the elves seeing the world as flat and men round but it’s nowhere in Tolkien’s legendarium. The Silmarillion is a difficult read but worth it if you like Tolkien. I recommend it.
@@jordanream970, AFAIK that's based on a scene in which Legolas sees the hall of Meduseld from a distance that would have been impossible on a curved Arda.
The real question I have is why is it important to some people that the earth is flat? For me it's important to understand that the earth is round for understanding and functioning of travel and communications. The best case I can see for the importance of the flat earth is as part of a worldview that most people are too dumb or evil to associate or communicate with.
These are people who do not professionally do anything that pertains to the shape of the earth, they are chronically online and love conspiracy theories. They like thinking that they know things that nobody else does while not being able to grasp the most fundamental concepts of reality. These of course are the regular average every day flat earthers I imagine because I'm convinced the people with youtube channels dedicated to it that make money off of it are just grifting gullible people.
I watched another video going over this monumental stupidity of a movement that touched upon the social aspect of it, don't remember what video anymore. But basically, this is the same line of thought as "the truth is out there". These people want something to believe in, it's sort of a lifestyle, a weird lens through which they view the world. I guess you can't really understand it unless you have the same mindset.
Well I think the most important reasons are knowledge and freedom. If the theory is correct, then it means there is more land and thus more people, civilizations, technology, etc... The consequences of that would end the Status Quo on Earth, the oligarchy of families that run the world and that control all the necessary tools to create such deception who force us into a system with taxation, debt, high energy prices, mediocre Governments, poisoned mainstream media, etc... if we see the grass is greener elsewhere would you stay? if you see you are being scammed in many different ways (energy/banking/etc..)and there are more feasible solutions would u carry on being scammed? Nothing of what I said is meant to be evidence.... it isnt, but you asked why is important.... imo that is why is very important. The Status Quo, the families that have enough wealth to end poverty over night - they need this lie to keep us on 5 landmasses and be oblivious that we are being scammed.
I believe (like, I personally) that the Flat Earth 'thing' is a religion about "Life is too complicated, so now my eyes are the only arbiters of truth and fact". They don't have to think, they just LOOK and that MUST be true because they can SEE it! Questions? Details? Why would they have THOSE?! They can SEE the truth! You're just a blasphemer; get out of their way, heathen! It's a religion of willful ignorance.
My favorite proof against flat earth is just " make me a flat map with no distortion then. Accurate distances at scale. Including for the ocean. " I have yet to see one. That and the lack of functional singular models of a flat earth. Wooh.
I have binged episodes and now I'm rewatching everything. You guys make amazing content. Thank you for making videos! Also, would you consider making one of the sky trumpets?
A flat earth tiktok creator recommended a book called "Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy". So I did what his followers wouldn't do, I found it on the Internet Archive and read it. On page 58 I found this: "The Egyptians knew the true system of the universe. They were acquainted with the fact that the sun is the center of the solar system, and that the earth and other planets revolve about it, in fixed orbits. They knew that the earth is of a globular shape, and revolves on its own axis, thus producing day and night. They also knew of the revolution of the moon about the earth, and that the moon shines by the reflected light of the sun. They understood the calculation of eclipses; they were aware of the obliquity of the ecliptic, and that the milky-way is a collection of stars. They also seem to have understood the power of gravitation, and that the heavenly bodies are attracted to a center." I pointed this out to the creator in the comments. His reply was that this book shows how the media lies to cover up the true nature of the earth, which, as usual, made zero sense.
I am convinced flat earthers just want to annoy NASA to the point where they can get a free ride to the moon just to see the Earth from orbit. You gotta respect the hussle.
You hit the nail on the head when you said flat earthers don't understand relativity. I honestly think that is the biggest problem for them. It's almost impossible for them to understand relativity.
@@wilfred-wils op made a TRUE statement, and his EXPLANATION of an observation is CORRECT (although incomplete). YOU, however, are using a FALSE statement, and INVALID "reasoning". so, you telling him to "think" is ironic, as you have just demonstrated your own FAILURE at that.
@@victorfinberg8595 Hilarious. There is nothing wrong with my demonstration of why his accusation is wrong. You can understand something and still reject it. Accusing the people that reject it of not understanding it is not logical.
Off topic comment: A couple livestreams ago you mentioned that you guys have plans to interview various native American persons to better understand their stories and cosmologies. My anthropology professor happens to be very well connected with a variety of Dene speakers and would be interested in getting you guys in contact with them. Would y'all like to arrange something in that regard?
I don't believe anyone with a normal IQ actually believes in flat earth theory. I think they're either trolls, or just enjoy being contrarians, like my sister who insists that she doesn't believe dinosaurs ever existed. Some people just want to be different.
I honestly don’t think it’s inaccurate or hyperbolic to say the ones who aren’t just extremely bored trolls most likely have some kind of intellectual / cognitive disability mild enough that they can still be mostly functional and independent. It doesn’t take very long viewing some of their content to realize there’s something that is…very much not there for them. If it’s not a cognition issue, they must at least live in chronic isolation to the point where it affects their perception of reality this severely.
The bits about how one can bring things beyond the Horizon back into view with telescopes hurts my soul due to the entirety of the science of long range naval gunnery post WW1 where the horizon was a very real limit on spotting before radar where you would need forward scouts in the form of aircraft or smaller warships to spot further than that, something various powers were doing with Japan being the one with the most developed doctrine for using.
As for airline routes it should also be considered that it is safer to travel over land than water. So there are other factors in play than just the shortest route from A to B ;)
Heh, that's a good point. If the other space agencies know Earth is flat, they would have rubbed it in NASA's metaphorical face with glee. Except no, even the Soviets knew the Earth was a globe >.
I had this argument with my brother in law, we barely talk anymore, so it's actually sad. I showed up one night to BS about politics and such, something fell and I made a joke about gravity, and he launched into this whole production about flat earth. He trotted out so much of this, including Rowbotham and a bunch of "declassified Soviet science" which showed that the USSR launched rockets based on a "flat earth model." I finally tried to get him on the math that Rowbotham used to "prove" the sun was a few thousand "statue miles" (something he thought was different from standard miles) and damnit all if I wasn't drunk that night I could have put the nail in that argument. See when Rowbutt made that measurement, he never confirmed that point "D" in his calculation (the right angle of the triangle) actually had the sun at 90 degrees - something which wouldn't even be possible at the location he described - he just said it would be without sending anyone to take the measurement. And if you take his measurements and correct for where the sun would actually be at 90 degrees on that line... guess what? It's within a few percent of what we measure the sun at with other, more accurate methods.
Id love a third part of this series on what you think motivates these people to believe what they do. Is it just them making a massive series of misunderstandings, ot do you think its more than that?
From the coast at Blackpool, on a good day, the Isle of Man can be seen, some 100km away. Ireland, just another 88km away is 123x bigger but can't be seen at all. Hmm.
I went to school with a girl whose last name was Mason. She claimed that her grandfather was the "head of the Masons", but he got out because they "were doing bad things". 😅 With the proliferation of the internet, these ludicrous displays of ignorance are harder to find. I did unintentionally draw the conversation of an older gentleman the other day at the grocery store. He was talking about some pretty crazy and absurd topics. He was like the ignorant redneck in a movie, but it was real life.
I love this channel. I have time blindness with my ADHD. I use your channel to help. I have one episode to clean as much as possible. It's amazing what I get done.
Loved every second of this, every single second. The fact that the first flat earth conference happened 56 miles away from my house almost embarrassed me, I did get over that, but your reasoning has hopefully smashed that dome to pieces. I do appreciate all of your work, thank you.
I always laugh when he does that smug smile in the intros - Cue mic drop or Boss meme with shades😂. Love the depth of research in the topic in hand. Great video 👍
DUDE 200 PROOFS LIVES IN MY HOMETOWN LOL! He drives around a car spray painted with his UA-cam channels name across it and a large American flag flying off the back. I see this dude every single day at the town square. Not sure if he works around there or if he spends all his time screaming into the air about his “proofs” but he’s known as goof.
I've just watched a Eric dubay video and someone in the comments said if the earth was a globe shooting stars would be going in all directions and not always towards the surface of the earth 😅. It has 22 likes and i replied that shooting stars are not going through space, they are burning up in our atmosphere being pulled in by the planets gravitational pull, that's why they appear to be heading to the surface. Im not expecting a reply as my comment will probably be deleted by Dubay.
The escalation from ‘heres math that proves the earth is round’ to ‘he says the Freemasons and Illuminati are hiding it and the masons symbol is a Star of David and also claims a Charlie Chaplin lookalike was a hero’ was whiplash
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Dear CGI globe lovers ♥️ keep in mind that the antikithera mechanism is the scientific working model of our beautiful non rotating flat earth in the center of the whole universe ♥️ the Greeks knew it's a zodiac system not a solar system. 😮
@@freefreepalestine360 no it isn't lmao
@@TheLoreLodgeis that an argument?
I still don't have my "Pity The Gaurd" Hoodie. Is worth the wait. Hope Y'all get a contract with Matt; cause Bunker Branding is awesome.
@@CASTERSRABBITHOLE did you order it from the Spring site? If it hasn’t arrived, try their customer support.
The Earth is both flat and hollow, making it a donut. I hope this helped no one, and even upset a few. Thank you and good bye.
Well that doesn't leave much wiggle room for the inearthers n quite frankly i think it goes against every ideology of equality n i for one will not stand by it
😂🤣
This is FALSE! Obviously being flat and hollow would make it a Deep Dish Pizza.
Taurus earth les gooooo
My corgi's name is Donut, he is my world, so I'm onboard!
Its not flat or round.
The world is a vampire...
This is the earth of a vampire
Sent to drain
@@mineralmammalprospecting Secret destroyers
@@ladyibis580 😉
Erm acktually its shaped like bigfoot
The Flat Earth Society? Why they have members ALL around the gl-
The modern flat earthers despise the flat earth society
@@phantom197- Why? Did they get their *cough* science wrong?
@@WorldOfTess2024 I’m just saying the flat earthers talked about in the video don’t like the flat earth society
Lol, someone had to.
Wow, how 2014?
"this picture shows manhattan,,, and also manhattan" might be the funniest thing ive heard in a w h i l e
No wonder that dude thought the earth was flat. His eyes are so far apart he can see both sides at once.
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Goof stick
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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His eyes are wide with knowledge
I wish scientists were just a bunch of guys chewing on cigars and drinking whiskey. It would save me, a theoretical subatomic particle physicist, a lot of time and energy I otherwise have to invest into studying laws of the universe before I predict anything.
It would have made getting through college so much easier for me.
Fr. I could be sipping whiskey on a porch, but no I have to design a target chamber or build a pmt setup.
Ditto
And what have you predicted?
@@copperwopper6429 nothing yet because I'm not done studying the laws of the universe
Oh my gosh you just destroyed my theory of all the missing people. They walked of of the edge the planet and fell into space.
There is no edge , it's a plain not a plane-et they flew off the ball in an aeroplane bc they forgot to nose down every few miles and the water fell off bc oceans of water don't stick to a spinning ball
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@melissaflood505 yes, they lost the technology to go to moon and i quote "its a painful process to build it back again " - Don Pettit nasa
@@bostonraymudfloodadventures yes, I agree Don Pettit (probably a pun intended) a sick one at that……… and it is a painful process to listen to an actonaught as boring and fake as that man mind you useful idiots definitely excel in the purpose of revelation of the method😂🤫🤫🤫
@@bostonraymudfloodadventures is it possible that they recruited the man from a schoolyard while he was handing out sweets? He kind of fits the description inclusive of his mannerisms I’m sure he’s probably a practising paediatric hypnotist?
>as you go higher and higher you see more and more of ancient lost continents beyond the great ice
>then you have to contact the dealer again to continue the journey
The Earth is a flat, hollow, holographic projection that rides on the back of a giant turtle. Maths
It's turtles all the way down mate.
Tuning in from Tartaria, stoked we have 5G on the dark side of the moon now and I can catch this live!
Tell us about how the tartarians reacted to the “Big Fussy” joke , was it hip? was it cool?
@@apexvoice1952The Bigfoot community was really offended by it, the lizardmen thought it was hilarious.
How's the weather up there? Good beach days? Looking for a vacation 😃
For what it's worth, in the Llano Estacado region of the Texas Panhandle, the land is flat enough to actually see the curvature of the earth. Also, one of the most surreal things I have ever seen in my life was looking northeast through a arroyo from a Mesa top in northwest New Mexico and seeing the Rockies in the distant, BELOW the point of with I was standing. Looking down to see mountains is one of the most memorable things I have experienced in the outdoors.
Congratulations; that actually hurt my brain for a moment to visualize what you mean, and that looks amazing even in my head.
You do realize that you can’t see the curvature of the Earth from any place on the planet? Neil degrasse Tyson says you have to be way above it to see it. But maybe u know more than him? He even says if you’re up in earth orbit, it still looks flat. But you people swear you see it on a plane and now you’re saying you seen it while u are standing,lol.
@@Jusdippin78 Neil Degrasse Tyson is demonstrably wrong on many thing. This is one such case. Perhaps having life experiences outside of your parents basement will prevent you from repeating some of his mistakes.
@@Jusdippin78 Well, so this is what hurt my brain for a moment to try to imagine it. He's not saying he saw the 'horizon curving', like 'looking from a beach out to the ocean horizon'. He was saying that he saw the curvature in that, while up on a mesa (which is 'up a good bit' usually but not nearly all THAT tall), he could see in the gap of an arroyo "Mountains in the farther-distant horizon" that weren't visible from his normal ground-level (or even mesa-level?) height. Basically, he stood WAY up on a short mountain, and in that specific direction, the mountains appeared to be 'below his mesa's level' because the arroyo's valley allowed him to see much further down along its length.
Say his mesa was 2k feet tall. Say the arroyo was 1000 feet deep. He has an effective '3000 feet of altitude'. This let him see the horizon that he would have seen from that far end of the *arroyo*, which included seeing some of the Rockies being barely-high-enough to be visible in the distance. He was effectively looking from 3,000 feet of altitude, and 'barely seeing the mountains in the distance'...but that 'showed the horizon' too. The mountains were BARELY visible, barely peeking up in the distance...from BELOW WHERE HE WAS STANDING on a 2k altitude Mesa somewhere, and looking into the valley in the distance. The mountains aren't underground, right? So they are 'just as tall as ever', but he saw them as 'below him' when he was only a mere 2k feet up. The only way that works was to have had a line-of-sight that let him barely see them in the distance, and it happened to have that happen 'when looking out along this deep arroyo' that gave him additional 'effective altitude'. He saw the 'curvature of the earth' by LITERALLY seeing that a super-tall-thing was barely-visible in the distance, and not at all visible from ground-level where he was, which is only possible if he was seeing 'though that valley' and into the deeper distance, where the mountains were 'barely-visible from that further valley', which he was standing ABOVE.
From 2k up and looking through 1k depth of valley, his horizon would have been 70-ish miles out or whatever. That additional "height plus depth" showed him what he'd have seen from a mesa 3k tall; the bare beginnings of the Rockies being visible in the distance. He was seeing 'away'-horizon, not 'across-horizon'. The curvature left-to-right is hard to measure, but ahead isn't as hard in some VERY specific circumstances. Like, with +2 and -1k foot landscapes, and an 8k-foot tall mountain being barely visible in the distance. The barely-above-the-arroyo-bottom-horizon barely could see the mountain-tops, so thus he saw the mountains as "Below him" from that point of view. It's pretty wild...but also totally makes sense if you work out the math for it. That's why it blew my mind a bit.
Nothing like joining in the premier to immediately have Aidan saying “he’s a Nazi” with no context
Honestly, do you *need* context for that? 😂
@@WorldOfTess2024 bloody communists
Well he's a nazi. Go read his blogs
@@WorldOfTess2024 Yeah, you really do. Because Trump isn't a nazi, but people sure were shouting that and still are, so.... yeah context is king.
@@NormalPersonCommentinghe’s not a nazi but a fascist
In your next video, you will probably tell us that people went to the moon.
you believe in the moon? xD
@@lonejedi100exactly 😂😂
There's no possible good faith argument that NASA put men on the moon in the late 60s
American moon by mazzucco completely destroyed the idea
Lots of freemasons involved in NASA,the moon landing psyop and the alien/archon psyop
We all know the moons not real.
as someone who lives in the southern hemisphere (south america more specifically) i think it's HILARIOUS that these people think we don't have regular airplane flights.
Who say's that. Elaborate
@@AndySmith4501a shit ton of people claim Santiago to Sydney or Perth to South Africa direct flights don’t exist when they just objectively do and call the flights fake
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Give me examples. I think you're lying but feel free to prove me wrong
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Again. Who say's that. Give me examples
@@AndySmith4501 sure. Qantas QF28 is the flight number for just Sydney to Santiago. That alone disproves flat earth as this flight would just not be possible
Oh boy, another game of "find the most exotic wackos in the comment section"
It's an easy game to win at least
My girls ass is flat and so is earf
Was there a winner so far?
but nobody wants an actual argument, just childish jokes and pure ignorance, there's not knowing and there's not wanting to know
@@skeletor2994I disagree on the grounds that it's increasingly difficult to distinguish between the actually stupid and the people making fun of them 🤔
Nowadays flat earthers just dropped the part when they try to convince you of anything. Now they just proclaim that if you think the earth is round you should prove it to them, and then refuse to engage with arguments presented. They stopped producing arguments, because it's just a theory, bro, no one knows how exactly the earth is flat, therefore it can't be proven, but it is anyway. Complete insanity. They dismiss basic geometry. It goes round and round.
Geometry is from the devil!!!
@@RobotacularRoBobwhen he first hit the scene at the end of his videos he was encouraging people to self harm to escape the soul matrix. Giving instructions to do "blood over intent" rituals by cutting yourself and bleeding over what you want or some weird crap. Wonder if he scrubbed all those videks. He also weny on some rants about the holocaust
"It goes round and round"
Oh the irony
Water is level and there aren't any, I mean zero pictures of the globe.
@@BigDog-rm4gf lets say youre right and there is no "real" pictures of earth. That doesnt proove its flat. It doesnt proove anything actually.
As a geographer, flat earth makes me cry because it would make my job so much easier. Taking something a round earth (which is not a perfect sphere but actually a oblate spheroid) and getting it to translate onto a two dimensional surface like a map is...rough. You can only realistically maintain a few of 5 properties (Area, Shape, Direction, Bearing, and Distance) truly accurately during the translation which is why different types of maps are used for different types of tasks. Ex. the Mercator projection we all know was made for navigational purposes and is not the best one to represent the globe as it maintains bearing but distorts shape/size but was chosen because its a nice rectangle and looked good on a wall.
This is something I find funny about you drones. We’ve seen perfectly round pictures of the globe earth all our lives but as soon as an authority figure comes and tells you the earth is actually not perfectly round but more pear shaped, you go ‘Oh, I didn’t know that - wow, thanks for telling us Mr. Physicist’. Why doesn’t it occur to you to ask the obvious question like someone capable of critical thought?
@@mollykeane2571 The difference between the Earth's shape and a perfectly sphere is less than 1%. Pear shaped is a mathematical description and not a comparison to a piece of fruit. Why must you flerf dimbulbs constantly lie in order to try and prove your nonexistent points? No flat earther ever has or ever will be capable of critical thought. If you could think critically, you would instantly realize how every single thing about flat earth is completely wrong and with no basis in reality whatsoever.
@mollykeane2571 anyone using the word "drone" is clearly unable to use critical thinking, hence the need to feel mentally superior.
Wait I don't understand who said the earth is shaped like a Pear. ?
@@ShireLeaf Neil deGrasse Tyson
I liked this video a lot but I am kind of disappointed not to have an hour at the beginning where you cover which shape every native Americian culture thought the earth was.
Ooooh..! What shapes DID they think..? I'll have to try to look that up now.
The Red Hot Chili Peppers told us it was all made in a Hollywood basement
I mean how could they be wrong.
Wow 2 of my favorite bands have been referenced in this comment section, now I just need to find a comment about Alice In Chains. 🤣🤣
Would you trust a band that is know to be quite eccentric, or would you trust the literal hundreds of millions of people saying and giving proof that the Earth is a globe?....Just curious..
@@mr.d6493 Someone doesn't know how to take a joke lol (that would be you, in case that wasn't clear)
Even Rammstein's music video, Amerika, depicts the moon landing being filmed in a studio. ua-cam.com/video/Rr8ljRgcJNM/v-deo.html
I'm a Stephen King fan and love his books but in his book The Mist, there's characters in the book when the monsters first arrive through the mist and all the people were trapped in the store. Two guys are members of the flat earth society but they do not believe that there's monsters outside. It's all a hoax, they go outside into the mist and get mauled by the monsters. This is definitely Stephen King laughing at them through his work. I thought that was brilliant.
Flerfs probably don't read a lot cause if they did they would have made "Under the Dome" their bible.
The comedy of the UA-cam context Flag having less context than the video it’s “adding” context to.
Brilliant!!!
I spit on their boxes!
Aidan grew out the beard, trimmed up the hair, and hit the gym just to dunk on the flat earthers. Love it. :-)
The earth is round and how about you go get in shape.
@@williamthompson5504 Eh? Yes, the earth is round, and I was paying him a compliment bud. What's up with you? :-)
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Wow. That was some creepy man worship
@@KeithAndrewPGbiz Did you type that gaymancrush commemt while in your bubble bath listening to Wham?
@@Semper_Fish What tf did Wham do🤣
If i was getting 25 Dollars a month from 35 hundred people i would say the Earth is flat as well. That's pretty good money especially back in those days. 💯🌍🌎🇺🇸
Yeah it is.
25*3500=$87,500 per MONTH!? That's almost good money even in 2024, being a million dollars a year!
If the earth is flat we should all go to one side and tip it like rhe iceberg in club penguin
sooooo true
The world might as well end on our terms XD
Hearing someone call it the Willis Tower absolutely threw me. It's the Sears Tower and will always be
When I heard that I almost threw my laptop across the room while yelling "it's the Sears Tower!!!"
What you talkin bout Willis?
@@terryboys9321damnit....😅
Lots of Skydome energy here.
100%. I actually visited the tower in 2009, shortly before they “officially” changed the name. Even the people working there at the time said it’s forever the Sears Tower.
Whenever I see or think about breaking down flat earth arguments I cant help but see how they're basically the same as Young Earth arguments. It all boils down to "my interpretation of the bible HAS to be true so that means this thing is true". Then just bat away any proof they're shown
There isn’t any actual proof the earth is millions of years old, but unlike wild flat earth theories there is evidence of the earth being much younger than an atheist would say. I personally believe the earth is around 12,000 years old
@@stretch4576 we have used nuclear dating to find rocks in canada that are ~4 billion years old, there's plenty of proof that Earth is a very old marble.
@@stretch4576 if the earth was young we would see no stars and almost no geological formations would exist. Entire fields of science would have to be proven completely wrong for the earth to be young.
I would far believe the young earth over flat earth.
@@stretch4576😂😂😂 😂😂😂
In the section with the "blurry photos that don't prove curvature", you can actually see a very minor curve in the wide shot of the ocean! the red line touches the ocean in the center, but there are a couple pixels of sky under the red line at the edges.
There is no nutty side of flat earth, because the whole thing is nutty
Oh my God, deep in the sauce, bro balls deep!🫣
@@melissaflood505 Yup, flat earths really are deep in the crazy sauce.
Fruitcakes in the kitchen, fruitcakes in the street...
Folding Ideas, who also does video essays, has pointed out that Flat Earth theorists don't believe the Earth is Flat because there is evidence for Flat Earth, they believe it because Flat Earth is evidence for other things that they also believe. E.g., that NASA is a propaganda organization.
Show me measured earth curvarture.
I love when editor Aiden pops in to add a little bit of extra info. I just love you boys to be honest.
Those Trump and Sanders impressions made me laugh sooooo hard. Lol
The sanders one was spot on.
@@iang.4910 his trump kind of sounds like Augustus St. Cloud from the venture brothers.
So good I thought it was A.I. 😂
Same. I immediately scrolled down to find a comment like this.
Show me measured earth curvature. Lol
Dude I've fallen in love with your videos because of the actual lore of the American lands and the people who lived here before. I've learned so much over the past couple weeks and I cant help but listen to every video you've put out
I wish the cringe land acknowledgements were like the Lore Lodge’s history lessons. Would feel more sincere than the current way land acknowledgements are recited. 🤷🏽♀️
Easiest way to debunk flat earth, once and for all.
If the earth was flat, the cats would have knocked everything off the edge.
or there would be theme parks at the edge
There used to be even bigger cats we wouldn’t be here cause they would’ve already knocked everything off before humans even finished evolving
OMG how have I never heard this one? Win ❤
@@reeaaady418 Oh man, I'd totally want to ride on the "Edge of the World" super-coaster, that's for sure! Even if it was in the ice-wall, I'd still want to.
please, tell a civil engineer that water finds it's own level. fun fact, water towers are built at a certain height to induce a specific pressure in the municipal water supply (look into why it's that pressure if you are interested.) because weight is relative and based on local gravity, the height of even pressure (the level that water always finds it's way to) changes as you go from place to place.
I think you missed the point. Yes what you say is true, however, when you look to see it's level you will see a straight line. It's not curved because water does in fact find level. With pressure etc you can manipulate that level but when left to its own devices it always finds level. That's why spirit levels have been used for thousands of years
@@TriIIiian and where is your supporting evidence?
There’s 5 gravities which one are you claiming ?
@@xrexc3179 Wow...!!! Ever filled a level glass with water to the point its nearly spilling over...??? That curved bump you see on top is the miniscus... Proves water curves though......
@@mariz2361 do you know what causes that? As I said above,it can be manipulated but left to its own devices it finds level.
The key belief I want flat earthers to explain is what is their idea of gravity or a downward force on the "flat disk". Does it come from the bottom of the disk or the space beneath the disk? What makes things stick or gravitate to the "top" surface of the disk? Why can't we jump up off the disk into space? What is mass?
Electrostatics...buoyancy and density sort it out!! All of the above exist! They are NOT theoretical! "Spacetime" and "gravity" have NEVER been proven to exist! Can't even call them THEORIES! Hypotheses at best...
@@brianwebber6996_ROADHUNTER ok so what's causing the electrostatics? Buoyancy (presumably of water on the surface of the disk) doesn't explain why things fall to the surface of the disk, nor does density... (density of what)?
@@ekaterinastacey3132The density of his skull. lol
@@ekaterinastacey3132density in relation to air is what defines buoyancy out of water. If something is more dense than air it falls to the ground. If it's less dense it "floats". The relation is to air because that is what our atmosphere is made of that's all around us
C'mon ppl this is elementary school stuff
@@brianwebber6996_ROADHUNTER 1000% copy and paste logic from austin witsit who always somehow proves globe with his citations 😂 you will never be able to explain why my and every other road going car will experience a slower rate of acceleration when accelerating up and hill, and you will never be able to explain why i cant lock my cars front axle under hard braking up a hill when i can easily do so on a flat surface. Flat earth ended with a car and a hill 😂😂😂
Aussie here, can cofirm that I use flight tracker to track flights in the southern hemisphere all the time. In fact, you can even use it to track water bombers, which I have done many times when there have been bush fires near me.
As a Chicago native who vacations at WARREN DUNES STATE PARK a couple times a year, since I was born, the idea Chicago is visible = Flat earth is HILARIOUS. You can jump in a boat and be at Chicago in an hour or less, depending on how fast you're going, cause it's just that close. Did this guy forget smog and clouds exist, alongside refraction?
And yet the same silly people will remain unconvinced.
It helps to think about it as more of a religion of "The world confuses me and I don't like it." They are right and you are a blasphemer. Err, 'wrong'. They don't refute anything with proof, they toss a few factoids at you and hope they can make you pause for long enough to look one stupid one up to let them escape you. It's never about facts, and if you 'fact' at them too much they find some tiny detail to freak out about and then escape by 'not being able to deal with you right now' and stuff like that.
It's not a lack of knowledge...it's frightened 'ignorant people' who don't like that the world is complicated, and now they have a religion...their eyes. "I can SEE that the earth is flat, and if I don't think about it, I'm perfectly happy that way!" You know what, I should make this a comment of my own under this video...
Its a sign of society collectively losing touch with reality ...decadence ...lack of purpose...too much toil...inability to be content etc
Wearing the Free Mason shirt is a beautiful choice in this video
Where's my Native American history segment?
They belived eart is in the shape of McDonalds fries
@@komiks42 on a turtle's back
They never figured out the Earth was a globe. Or how to write it down it they did.
My dad has told this story throughout my life: A man was convinced that he was a dead man. No matter what friends and family said to him to convince him that he was not a dead man walking around, he didn't believe them. One day, a friend of his asked him if dead men bleed. The man said, "Of course not." His friend then quickly cut him with a knife, making him bleed. The man looked at his wound and declared, "Whattaya know? Dead men DO bleed!" Flat-earthers remind me of that man.
Yet a globe believer such as yourself requires no evidence and is happy to participate in the modern day religion of scientism. Not only are you ignorant of your own belief you also ignorant to all of the evidence contradicting it.
Scale. They have absolutely 0 concept of scale.
Flat earthers actually have the numbers, globers are the ones that don't understand scale
@@SamPedroCactuswhat "numbers"? The only videos I've ever seen of flat Earthers with their long distance photography are saying look there is clearly curvature but not as much as "the formula" says there should be, surely any curvature over water proves the earth is not flat.
According to flat earthers this is just a small example of people who are all in on the lie.
Scientists-8,000,000 Pilots-351,000
Flight attendants-248,700
Free masons-875,000.
That's a total of 9,492,700 and not one single whistle-blower has ever came out and spilled the beans? Ever?
How many of those have been in space and seen the earth…?
@@ckneasel how many earth observation satellites have been launched, how many satnavs and gps enabled mobiles have been sold hmmm ?
Im in the conspiracy and so are all cats lol
@@ckneasel I left out the 18,000 NASA employees, so astronauts are among those.
@@ckneasel We proved the Earth is a sphere several thousand years before the first person went into space.
Did you know in WW1 a battle ship admiral figured in curvature of the earth to make aiming computations more accurate at long range?
The icewall is the part that confuse me the most. Because people have been to the poles and there is no ice wall? People have been living on the arctic and since the 1820s the Antarctic has also been explore. Where is that ice wall?
To be fair to my understanding in flat earth world view the north pole is just center of the disc so there wouldn be ice wall in the north. It obviously still doesnt make sense why antarctis would be actually ice wall
It all comes from Gleason's time chart that uses the AE projection of the globe. Even Gleason said so, yet the ignorant and stubborn won't accept anything that kills their feeling of being special.
Like I at least get with the other ideas where they come from but the ice wall just seems so random. Like oh yes magical ice wall with hidden secrets
@@mayg9933 All they have to do is read Gleason's patent application which reads in part...
"The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."
They completely ignore these words which shows just how deep the FE indoctr1nation is. It's literally a mental illness.
You gotta see the wall to believe it
Bro your shirt got the flatties crying like bitches. "Mason boy" I'm so dead omg, this was EPIC and the shirt was just icing on the cake. Well done!!!😂😂
Literally was trying to pick a shirt and looked at Aidan like 👀
Best iceberg arguments for the flat earth titanic I have seen yet!! Well done!
drive.google.com/file/d/1fcmIaAo1fsB8mY8SYht6jUBo2A2wXg55/view?usp=drivesdk
@@TheLoreLodgewas not a good idea if you really try to convince people. What most of flat earthers have in common they believe in other conspiracies.
@@FlorianMark If these people are really dull enough to believe in the horrible horrible math that of flat earth believers, it doesn’t matter what he wears, they aren’t going to believe it.
@@FlorianMarkThere’s no convincing someone brainwashed, who has a cult like mentality. Most of them have some type of mental disorder.
these flat earth ppl must not have any surveyors in their family lmao. my grandfather and father now my younger brother is too. They would beg to differ that the earth is flat, and they measure the earth so I trust them.
Well, yeah, but Flat Earth folks aren't into 'facts'. It's more of a religion, worshiping "When things were simpler." Even though they were never simpler like that, but again, they aren't worried about facts! They believe, and so they believe. That's all they believe, and you are just wrong. No matter what you think, if you think not-the-same, you're wrong. It's religion without the God. It's idiocy without the village to keep them. ( And that's me joking about 'village idiots' running amok in this day and age. )
There are many surveyors in the flat earth community. Any sane surveyor knows there is no measurable curvature
Earth is a Pyramid. My evidence is I like pyramids.
Fun fact about that Steelers-Vikings game. Steelers coach Bill Cowher recieved a printed out picture of the broadcast showing 11 men on the field, and, after screaming at the ref, stuffed the picture in the ref’s shirt pocket before storming off.
Oh hey, my home town. I can confirm that Californian Lancastrians do in fact pronounce the town name *Lan*caster. I counter argue that if there's room for Arkansas and Kansas then there's also room for Lancaster and Lancaster. 😅
In fairness to Arkansas and Kansas, they have a reason for the divergence. Kansas is an English approximation of the name of the native people from there, and Arkansas is a French attempt at the same thing.
That's crazy! My family lives in Ridgecrest/Inyokern and they always call it lan(e)caster!
I lived in Acton, hello fellow So Cal peeps
Selective refraction sounds like a cool band name 😂😂😂😂
So is "award winning flavored Air device"
I watched 2 church leaders arguing about the shape of the earth.
The flat earth advocate, a nutcase straight from the asylum, said the reason why astronauts and pilots THINK the earth is round is: Because of the shape of the windows/portals being round or oval. It's an optical illusion.
My son served on an Arle Burke destroyer. His ship never fell off during any deployment or cruises.
My husband served in the Army for over 24 years in Test Measurement Diagnostic Equipment (TMDE) aka calibration. They had to consider the rotation and shape of the earth while during their job. In other words, the earth is round.
My father-in-law was a Civil Engineer and surveyor. He said the earth was NOT flat.
If you're attending a flat earth church and getting saved based on the shape of the earth, you have totally misunderstood the Bible and salvation.
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Me, a New Zealander who has used flight trackers while watching the aircraft fly over from other southern hemispheric countries
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Ooooohh it just clicked for me. Buck Rodger, Duck Dodgers of the 21st century, Daffy Ducks space going persona. I always knew it was a parody but now i get the refrance material
"hiding God" makes me laugh too. According to them their god could only make a few thousand miles of dirt and a fake sky.
My creator made an entire universe, billions, trillions, uncountable stars and planets.
Yep. They're confining God to what they can see/understand, lacking faith "in things unseen". They are of little faith.
It's not that Dubay is making a mistake messing up the equation, he is intentionally misleading other flerfs for monetary gain. The big names all do this. Don't forget if people are going to use a curvature calculator online, make sure it accounts for refraction.
I work with a Flat Earther. The basis of his belief lies in his religious beliefs combined with his belief that space isn't real and science is basically mythical mumbo jumbo... I just can't...
where does he stand on this whole palestine israel thing?
@@GODCONVOYPRIMEMost flatearthers support Palestine because the majority of them are anti semitic. They think the little hat people rule the world.
My favourite flat earthers are the ones who think the earth is flat but all of the other planets are round
"Well you see mathematics and reality were made up by Nasa back when Ceasar needed to make jobs!"
Flying proves globe earth. I used to fly frequently between Singapore and Houston, roughly the other side of the world. There were 3 flight routes I tried. West via London and the Atlantic Ocean, East via Hong Kong and the Pacific Ocean, and North via Moscow and the Arctic Ocean.
All took roughly one day’s flying, so that fact that you can get to another location on earth in the same time by flying in 3 different directions is proof the world is a globe - have a look at these flight paths on a globe compared to a flat earth pizza! Flights easily prove the globe is real.
There was no route south over antarctica, as no stops to make any economic sense in antarctica…but flerfers will cherry pick this latter fact as proof of a flat earth conspiracy due to many reasons:
NASA bans the flight over antarctica as part of its great conspiracy
Plane will hit great ice wall and crash
Plane will fly over great ice wall but hit Perspex firmament and crash
Plane will fly over great ice wall straight into outer space to be sucked up in a great vacuum cleaner
NASA will shoot the flight down
NAZI UFOs from ancient alien U-boat bases on Antarctica will shoot the flight down
Giant electric penguins with laser guns for eyes will shoot the flight down
You cannot argue with flerfers - they are either grifting or too badly educated to change their minds
This is a good comment; it’s funny, insightful, and well written. A moment that I experienced that really proved to me the Earth is round without anyone else having to tell me or show me data (not that I needed proving, I fully believe in science and it’s usefulness) was when I went on a cruise for the first time recently and as we went away from the shore where there were some tall buildings, I used my binoculars and over time saw the buildings appear to sink and go down as we went further away. By the time we were 37 miles out, I could still see the tips of the buildings with my binoculars. It was actually pretty fun
"Dude, write a fantasy novel"
Fun fact for those who haven't studied any of Tolkien (I assume many here probably have):
For the Elves, the world is flat, but it is round for Men and the other races. This is why 1) the elves can sail West to their lands and not come back around the earth, and 2) Legolas can see MUCH farther than any of the rest of the Fellowship, the horizon doesn't fall away on a curve, it goes on forever.
What would happen if a human and a elve were on a ship together?
@@O_2og elves can guide them through, that's how frodo goes to the undying lands
This isn’t true at all. When Arda was made during the Ainulindale, it was flat. At the end of the second age, Valinor (in Aman, the Undying Lands as people know them) was “hidden” by Illuvitar and the world was made round causing Númenor to be swallowed by the sea. The story is Tolkien’s take on the Atlantis story in many ways. Afterwards, the elves are guided along a special way to return to Valinor by ship sailing west after they have been granted permission to do so by the Valar after thousands of years of exile.
Idk where you heard about the elves seeing the world as flat and men round but it’s nowhere in Tolkien’s legendarium. The Silmarillion is a difficult read but worth it if you like Tolkien. I recommend it.
@@jordanream970, AFAIK that's based on a scene in which Legolas sees the hall of Meduseld from a distance that would have been impossible on a curved Arda.
The real question I have is why is it important to some people that the earth is flat? For me it's important to understand that the earth is round for understanding and functioning of travel and communications. The best case I can see for the importance of the flat earth is as part of a worldview that most people are too dumb or evil to associate or communicate with.
These are people who do not professionally do anything that pertains to the shape of the earth, they are chronically online and love conspiracy theories. They like thinking that they know things that nobody else does while not being able to grasp the most fundamental concepts of reality. These of course are the regular average every day flat earthers I imagine because I'm convinced the people with youtube channels dedicated to it that make money off of it are just grifting gullible people.
I watched another video going over this monumental stupidity of a movement that touched upon the social aspect of it, don't remember what video anymore. But basically, this is the same line of thought as "the truth is out there". These people want something to believe in, it's sort of a lifestyle, a weird lens through which they view the world.
I guess you can't really understand it unless you have the same mindset.
Well I think the most important reasons are knowledge and freedom.
If the theory is correct, then it means there is more land and thus more people, civilizations, technology, etc...
The consequences of that would end the Status Quo on Earth, the oligarchy of families that run the world and that control all the necessary tools to create such deception who force us into a system with taxation, debt, high energy prices, mediocre Governments, poisoned mainstream media, etc... if we see the grass is greener elsewhere would you stay? if you see you are being scammed in many different ways (energy/banking/etc..)and there are more feasible solutions would u carry on being scammed?
Nothing of what I said is meant to be evidence.... it isnt, but you asked why is important.... imo that is why is very important. The Status Quo, the families that have enough wealth to end poverty over night - they need this lie to keep us on 5 landmasses and be oblivious that we are being scammed.
I believe (like, I personally) that the Flat Earth 'thing' is a religion about "Life is too complicated, so now my eyes are the only arbiters of truth and fact". They don't have to think, they just LOOK and that MUST be true because they can SEE it! Questions? Details? Why would they have THOSE?! They can SEE the truth! You're just a blasphemer; get out of their way, heathen!
It's a religion of willful ignorance.
@@sparking023 sad to say I think you are right
My favorite proof against flat earth is just " make me a flat map with no distortion then. Accurate distances at scale. Including for the ocean. " I have yet to see one. That and the lack of functional singular models of a flat earth. Wooh.
I have binged episodes and now I'm rewatching everything. You guys make amazing content. Thank you for making videos!
Also, would you consider making one of the sky trumpets?
Trying to debunk flat earth while sporting a masonic Tshirt is absolute top irony.
Really enjoyed part one and part two, thanks for all your hard work on them.
A flat earth tiktok creator recommended a book called "Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy". So I did what his followers wouldn't do, I found it on the Internet Archive and read it. On page 58 I found this: "The Egyptians knew the true system of the universe. They were acquainted with the fact that the sun is the center of the solar system, and that the earth and other planets revolve about it, in fixed orbits. They knew that the earth is of a globular shape, and revolves on its own axis, thus producing day and night. They also knew of the revolution of the moon about the earth, and that the moon shines by the reflected light of the sun. They understood the calculation of eclipses; they were aware of the obliquity of the ecliptic, and that the milky-way is a collection of stars. They also seem to have understood the power of gravitation, and that the heavenly bodies are attracted to a center." I pointed this out to the creator in the comments. His reply was that this book shows how the media lies to cover up the true nature of the earth, which, as usual, made zero sense.
It's always funny when flat earthers try to point to old geocentrist beliefs as support - geocentrism was a spherical earth belief.
Incredible, thank you so much for this.
honestly getting sick of everyone mocking our flat earth model. As soon as we create one that works you'll all see!
I am convinced flat earthers just want to annoy NASA to the point where they can get a free ride to the moon just to see the Earth from orbit.
You gotta respect the hussle.
I left this video to ferment for a few days because I wanted to see the flat earthers in the comments
lol this is a hilarious one, as if they are flies you are about to observe
I’m not sure what it is, but I’m just really loving the vibe Mattis is bringing to this one! Great job as always, Aidens!
1:03:09 Puppy is all "Aiden are you okay? You've been doing math out loud for 30 minutes..."
I cannot believe people take flat earth seriously.
That's like saying we landed on the moon in Sixty nine.
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_"That's like saying we landed on the moon in Sixty nine."_
that was only the first time.
@@johnqpublic7608 they said it numerous times, you're correct.
One of my friends does. I just listen to her rants and nod politely, no point saying anything because she will ignore it all anyway.
You hit the nail on the head when you said flat earthers don't understand relativity. I honestly think that is the biggest problem for them. It's almost impossible for them to understand relativity.
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The sky is green.
You understand that sentence right? Does that mean you have to accept that the sky is green?
Think, boy.
@@wilfred-wils op made a TRUE statement, and his EXPLANATION of an observation is CORRECT (although incomplete).
YOU, however, are using a FALSE statement, and INVALID "reasoning". so, you telling him to "think" is ironic, as you have just demonstrated your own FAILURE at that.
@@victorfinberg8595 Hilarious. There is nothing wrong with my demonstration of why his accusation is wrong.
You can understand something and still reject it. Accusing the people that reject it of not understanding it is not logical.
Off topic comment: A couple livestreams ago you mentioned that you guys have plans to interview various native American persons to better understand their stories and cosmologies. My anthropology professor happens to be very well connected with a variety of Dene speakers and would be interested in getting you guys in contact with them. Would y'all like to arrange something in that regard?
Yes absolutely!
@@TheLoreLodge Awesome! I sent you an email to confirm
Updooted everything involved here because I think this is a good idea too.
There's fun to be had at laughing at flat earthers, but there's also the futility of trying to change their mind.
I don't believe anyone with a normal IQ actually believes in flat earth theory. I think they're either trolls, or just enjoy being contrarians, like my sister who insists that she doesn't believe dinosaurs ever existed. Some people just want to be different.
_"like my sister who insists that she doesn't believe dinosaurs ever existed."_
does that come from a religious standpoint?
@@johnqpublic7608 nope! not at all..she's just a knob!
I honestly don’t think it’s inaccurate or hyperbolic to say the ones who aren’t just extremely bored trolls most likely have some kind of intellectual / cognitive disability mild enough that they can still be mostly functional and independent.
It doesn’t take very long viewing some of their content to realize there’s something that is…very much not there for them. If it’s not a cognition issue, they must at least live in chronic isolation to the point where it affects their perception of reality this severely.
The bits about how one can bring things beyond the Horizon back into view with telescopes hurts my soul due to the entirety of the science of long range naval gunnery post WW1 where the horizon was a very real limit on spotting before radar where you would need forward scouts in the form of aircraft or smaller warships to spot further than that, something various powers were doing with Japan being the one with the most developed doctrine for using.
That's awesome. I randomly thought of this today wondering if you did the sequel and it happened to be now
I was waiting for this :D
As for airline routes it should also be considered that it is safer to travel over land than water. So there are other factors in play than just the shortest route from A to B ;)
Heh, that's a good point. If the other space agencies know Earth is flat, they would have rubbed it in NASA's metaphorical face with glee. Except no, even the Soviets knew the Earth was a globe >.
I had this argument with my brother in law, we barely talk anymore, so it's actually sad.
I showed up one night to BS about politics and such, something fell and I made a joke about gravity, and he launched into this whole production about flat earth.
He trotted out so much of this, including Rowbotham and a bunch of "declassified Soviet science" which showed that the USSR launched rockets based on a "flat earth model."
I finally tried to get him on the math that Rowbotham used to "prove" the sun was a few thousand "statue miles" (something he thought was different from standard miles) and damnit all if I wasn't drunk that night I could have put the nail in that argument. See when Rowbutt made that measurement, he never confirmed that point "D" in his calculation (the right angle of the triangle) actually had the sun at 90 degrees - something which wouldn't even be possible at the location he described - he just said it would be without sending anyone to take the measurement. And if you take his measurements and correct for where the sun would actually be at 90 degrees on that line... guess what? It's within a few percent of what we measure the sun at with other, more accurate methods.
Id love a third part of this series on what you think motivates these people to believe what they do.
Is it just them making a massive series of misunderstandings, ot do you think its more than that?
It's mmmmooooneeeyyy 😂
From the coast at Blackpool, on a good day, the Isle of Man can be seen, some 100km away. Ireland, just another 88km away is 123x bigger but can't be seen at all. Hmm.
Aiden please do a video on freemasonry conspiracies i need a good giggle
Good news, this was already done a while ago alongside the history of the actual illuminati.
I went to school with a girl whose last name was Mason. She claimed that her grandfather was the "head of the Masons", but he got out because they "were doing bad things". 😅
With the proliferation of the internet, these ludicrous displays of ignorance are harder to find.
I did unintentionally draw the conversation of an older gentleman the other day at the grocery store.
He was talking about some pretty crazy and absurd topics. He was like the ignorant redneck in a movie, but it was real life.
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I love this channel. I have time blindness with my ADHD. I use your channel to help. I have one episode to clean as much as possible. It's amazing what I get done.
I love that he starts the fume ad when I hit the lifted stick
There is no theory, so there is nothing to debunk. We don't debunk Santa Claus for the same reason.
Loved every second of this, every single second. The fact that the first flat earth conference happened 56 miles away from my house almost embarrassed me, I did get over that, but your reasoning has hopefully smashed that dome to pieces. I do appreciate all of your work, thank you.
I always laugh when he does that smug smile in the intros - Cue mic drop or Boss meme with shades😂. Love the depth of research in the topic in hand. Great video 👍
When am I ever going to use trigonometry in real life? Surprisingly, to disprove flat earth theory.
DUDE 200 PROOFS LIVES IN MY HOMETOWN LOL! He drives around a car spray painted with his UA-cam channels name across it and a large American flag flying off the back. I see this dude every single day at the town square. Not sure if he works around there or if he spends all his time screaming into the air about his “proofs” but he’s known as goof.
... all the while he has a map of the globe Earth on his dashboard for turn by turn directions.
Comedy freeken gold!
😂😂😂😂 aint no way
Spin circles around him and say you're demonstrating how gravity works. His skull is clearly of absurdly high density.
You live in Thailand? Because that's where Dubay hides.
I've just watched a Eric dubay video and someone in the comments said if the earth was a globe shooting stars would be going in all directions and not always towards the surface of the earth 😅. It has 22 likes and i replied that shooting stars are not going through space, they are burning up in our atmosphere being pulled in by the planets gravitational pull, that's why they appear to be heading to the surface. Im not expecting a reply as my comment will probably be deleted by Dubay.
Nobody made it to the Flat Earth Conference in 1976 because they couldn't navigate there on a flat earth model.
Three words: geometry-geography-gravity.
Sir Terry Pratchett is having quite a laugh in the afterlife with Jules Verne.
Is this the "new" Tartaria? I think it might be...
No flat earth came way before tartaria
@@andrewbooth5533 for the channel....
Flat earthers make Tartarians look like rational thinkers
@TheRainmakah that seems to be very true. With the history of the channel, I'm always going to compare to Tartaria.
The escalation from ‘heres math that proves the earth is round’ to ‘he says the Freemasons and Illuminati are hiding it and the masons symbol is a Star of David and also claims a Charlie Chaplin lookalike was a hero’ was whiplash
OK FINE BUT TELL ME THIS IF THE EARTH ISNT FLAT THEN WHY DON'T MY KIDS OR GRANDKIDS CALL ME?
GOBLESS, WILLIAM.
😭😭😭😭 i was looking for the all caps comments n this one got me good