This is insane!!! That rain is just making the course an ice rink. At full speed. Full power. At night. With all of those downtown area paint lines and oil spots. Nuts! These guys are true hardmen. Chapeau!!!
I wish there's more pro crit race here in Vancouver Canada. I watch the Project Echelon raced in Gastown Grandprix last week and they totally crushed it. STRONG RIDERS!
Got to watch and meet some of the incredible Project Echelon guys in Grafton WI, awesome team! I spent my time in the Army and their mission behind the team is fantastic! My brother and I truly appreciated the Project Echelon hats! Kudos to you Will, great race!
It amazes me how there were not more people on the deck. Really wet and every surface that says questionable grip, road paint, concrete cobbles and drain covers, everywhere. Before you even consider the speed and numbers.
US crit racing has become utterly boring. For years now it's been the same story. Whether it's been Legion, Project Echelon or Reign Storm. One strong team dominating the race from start to finish. And not by attacking, just by riding a hard tempo. No breaks, no chasing, just waiting for the sprint. Not good for the sport.
@@mitchellsteindlerthat's not the point, though. Don't you think it would've been a better race if the Echelon guys were on different team racing against each other than on one team, shutting down the race?
You can only stop so fast, based on your tires traction with the ground. Discs dont stop you any faster under normal conditions. In the rain, maybe. But you hear a lot of screeching out there. Theyre definitely better for long descents though where repeated hard stops will build up heat in a carbon rim.
Coming from golf, the US Am vs US Open distinction of 2 different national championships wouldn't be that foreign. Was the turn out just not good enough in the amateur (elite) championship to justify 2 different races? Seems like a loss for the sport from my pov.
I don't know the justification for the change, but the problem mostly had to do with the implementation. "elite" nationals was actually amateur, but pros would give up their UCI license, dip back to an amateur rank and win a championship, then go back to a UCI pro. there have been elite champs who have already been pro champs, so the difference between the two was small at best.
@@NorCalCycling Interesting. The pro vs amateur distinction in golf is managed by the USGA. So if you turn pro and play events as a professional, you have to apply for a reinstatement of your amateur status. Once approved, you typically have to wait 1 year before you can compete as an amateur again. Some people have to wait longer if they had any success as a pro. The level between pro and am sounds greater in golf than cycling. The top top amateurs (top 10 in the world or so) could likely compete with touring pros week in and out, but the average touring pros would wipe the floor with your typical high level amateur. Although a lot of the mid-amateur (age 25 and over events) are won by guys who played professionally at some point and regained their amateur status since amateur events are more prevalent and less expensive.
Ok the rain is a chance thing but having all these pro crits at night is ridiculous. Horrible what they do to these poor racers. Let them race when they can see properly
My night time vision goes to hell when I’m training, couldn’t imagine racing like that. It’s visually cool for a spectator but less than ideal for the riders
@@basedgodstrugglin IMO as a spectator it's less fun. It's difficult to see the riders and recognize who is who. I did one night crit and the thing that surprised me was the shadows. I guess in normal life you get used to using people's shadows (from the sun - so there's only one shadow per person and you can tell where they are in relation to the shadow).. But when you pass many lights, shadows are appearing and moving all over the ground in different orientations. So with numerous lights and the shadows moving all over, you're getting a ton of incorrect impressions from the shadows. Horrible
Yeah it's pathetic. Nothing but gravel and mountain biking in the US now. Can't even consider those 2 things a real sport...just a circus sideshow carnival attraction.
@@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv Maybe some pedestrian crossings from a concert or pro sports game that just let out. And some street vendors selling food with lines that back up in an unpredictable way each lap. 😆
This is insane!!! That rain is just making the course an ice rink. At full speed. Full power. At night. With all of those downtown area paint lines and oil spots. Nuts! These guys are true hardmen. Chapeau!!!
Jeff's bot hype train is off the hook - congrats bro you've earned it.
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I wish there's more pro crit race here in Vancouver Canada. I watch the Project Echelon raced in Gastown Grandprix last week and they totally crushed it. STRONG RIDERS!
Got to watch and meet some of the incredible Project Echelon guys in Grafton WI, awesome team! I spent my time in the Army and their mission behind the team is fantastic! My brother and I truly appreciated the Project Echelon hats! Kudos to you Will, great race!
Will having a 400W tempo is just nuts.
Lolz at the first 6 comments. This race looks a complete death trap
I am sincerely grateful for your vivid emotions 😄
Those sharp cheese grater barriers look super unsafe for riders
very cool! very cool! Love all the bots! 🍉💜
I would love if crits had a limit of four(-ish) riders pr. team to avoid someone holding such choke holds on races. Makes it a lot less interesting.
What’s with metal grate barriers? Seems really dangerous you’d think there’d be a safer option?
Agreed! These are unsafe barrier designs, hoping for a change in the future!
I watched this live on Flo. Looked horrible haha. Cool to see the inside footage
Reign/rain storm appropriate name😊
i managed to get through the whole video without making a single dad joke / pun on reign storm 🤝
@@NorCalCyclingDisappointed! Looks like neither of you reigned this particular storm. HO-HO!!
Oh, those wet painted lines with guys ripping over them.
It amazes me how there were not more people on the deck. Really wet and every surface that says questionable grip, road paint, concrete cobbles and drain covers, everywhere. Before you even consider the speed and numbers.
I love the mission of project echelon
US crit racing has become utterly boring. For years now it's been the same story. Whether it's been Legion, Project Echelon or Reign Storm. One strong team dominating the race from start to finish. And not by attacking, just by riding a hard tempo. No breaks, no chasing, just waiting for the sprint. Not good for the sport.
Because the talent level isnt high enough in the average rider. Saying that, i literally have 65% the ftp of most these guys.
@@mitchellsteindlerthat's not the point, though.
Don't you think it would've been a better race if the Echelon guys were on different team racing against each other than on one team, shutting down the race?
@@andrasszabo1570 no, it would more interesting of each team was closer in level
Agreed.
Rim brakes on all carbon wheels in the wet - some people are just built different! 💪 🥷
Better than screeching disc brakes...never had a problem with my carbon rims in the wet, its not the 90s.
They almost never touch the brakes at all when cornering. If you do, rim or disc in these conditions you're apt to slide out.
Seems like someone needs to invent race rain tires for situations like this, just like Formula 1.
You watch this and gravel takes a backseat
Not enough light during night race especially at the road corner and its rain too. Wtf!
Have to ask one more time just for good measure, we won’t see you out at Chicago Grit this year?
I sadly won't make it this year , but plan on it next year. Will is going though say hi!
There are two guys in red bibs on rim brakes. Was that your team? That would scare me, with everyone around me on discs.
Yep, my team...Clayton is pretty used to it at this point, they aren't that bad if you know how to race them!
You can only stop so fast, based on your tires traction with the ground. Discs dont stop you any faster under normal conditions. In the rain, maybe. But you hear a lot of screeching out there. Theyre definitely better for long descents though where repeated hard stops will build up heat in a carbon rim.
Coming from golf, the US Am vs US Open distinction of 2 different national championships wouldn't be that foreign. Was the turn out just not good enough in the amateur (elite) championship to justify 2 different races? Seems like a loss for the sport from my pov.
I don't know the justification for the change, but the problem mostly had to do with the implementation. "elite" nationals was actually amateur, but pros would give up their UCI license, dip back to an amateur rank and win a championship, then go back to a UCI pro. there have been elite champs who have already been pro champs, so the difference between the two was small at best.
@@NorCalCycling Interesting. The pro vs amateur distinction in golf is managed by the USGA. So if you turn pro and play events as a professional, you have to apply for a reinstatement of your amateur status. Once approved, you typically have to wait 1 year before you can compete as an amateur again. Some people have to wait longer if they had any success as a pro. The level between pro and am sounds greater in golf than cycling. The top top amateurs (top 10 in the world or so) could likely compete with touring pros week in and out, but the average touring pros would wipe the floor with your typical high level amateur. Although a lot of the mid-amateur (age 25 and over events) are won by guys who played professionally at some point and regained their amateur status since amateur events are more prevalent and less expensive.
@@NorCalCyclingthey are consolidating events so they lose less money.
Nice!!!
Jeff what's your road tire of choice
gp5000 tubeless 28c
BASSETT!!!
Yeah
So in that sort of weather/race how different is the tire pressure?
Has anyone tried RainX on their GoPros?
Ok the rain is a chance thing but having all these pro crits at night is ridiculous. Horrible what they do to these poor racers. Let them race when they can see properly
My night time vision goes to hell when I’m training, couldn’t imagine racing like that. It’s visually cool for a spectator but less than ideal for the riders
@@basedgodstrugglin IMO as a spectator it's less fun. It's difficult to see the riders and recognize who is who.
I did one night crit and the thing that surprised me was the shadows. I guess in normal life you get used to using people's shadows (from the sun - so there's only one shadow per person and you can tell where they are in relation to the shadow).. But when you pass many lights, shadows are appearing and moving all over the ground in different orientations. So with numerous lights and the shadows moving all over, you're getting a ton of incorrect impressions from the shadows.
Horrible
@@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv I know exactly what you mean
Not followed the channel as much this season… what happened to Legion? The finally disband?
still around just not as fast. they've put money/resources into their other teams like blazers and aviators
@@NorCalCycling ahh ok… I really like their mission statement but couldn’t stand their behavior… hope the new train in town has more sportsmanship
Sad to see this poor level of coverage/footage. A sign the sport is dying. Kudos Norcal for covering!!
Yeah it's pathetic. Nothing but gravel and mountain biking in the US now. Can't even consider those 2 things a real sport...just a circus sideshow carnival attraction.
There was coverage! I watched it live. Where were you?
It would be difficult to make this more unappealing. Perhaps add traffic?
Could have some speedbumps, and a bunch of manhole covers in each corner
@@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv Maybe some pedestrian crossings from a concert or pro sports game that just let out. And some street vendors selling food with lines that back up in an unpredictable way each lap. 😆
Nice! Got a shoutout from THE @williamhardin