Maddie was done so dirty, I also have a whole lot to say about it. Firstly, it really doesn't make any sense that Maddie was a traitor. Like you say, there are no clues at all. In every scene she's in, she supports Cait. Look at the scene in Cait's bedroom, Maddie keeps telling Caitlyn how she can make her own decisions, she even proposes Cait to break with Ambessa. Not only that, look how desperate Maddie is for Caitlyn's touch and affection. Or the scene at Caitly's mother's grave, Maddie looks crushed. So basically all of it was a game? She's just this super perfect, manipulative, cold spy? It feels so wrong. Then, even if we assume that is the case, she still did quite a bad job. She could have shot Cait countless times. She even allowed Cait to shoot at Ambessa while having her unshielded back only to Maddie. Maddie must be the best and the worst spy / traitor at the same time. Secondly, then there is the story reason why I hate this reveal. Caitlyn was so cold to Maddie, took advantage of her and eventually cheated on her the moment she had the chance. Kiling Maddie off is making Caitlyn way too easy to get back to Vi. There are basically 3 obstacles for Cait x Vi in act 3: Cait having been an evil dictator, Maddie and Jinx. None of these points are resolved well in my opinion. But just killing Maddie was the worst. I wished they made Cait take responsibility for her actions and live with the fact that she was quite an asshole to Maddie. Finally, even if we accept all of this, they never did anything interesting with Maddie being the traitor. She gets shot immediately, so sad. Like c'mon let her be evil for longer. Let her kill someone important, do something, make it count. Because honestly Maddie could have died in this action without being a traitor and nothing would really be different and that sucks. The writers just wanted to have her gone. Well, my favourite solution to this would be that Maddie was a spy but then actually fell for Caitlyn which would explain her behaviour and also not shooting Cait. It would also be a fun reveal, because then Cait would have to face even more conficting emotions about having cheated on Maddie. So, I know, this is now fanfiction, but my head canon is now that Maddie was a spy, fell for Cait, actually became loyal to Cait but then found out, that Cait cheated and then became the traitor again :D
@@AleksandraSetsumei bro nearly made that my head cannon as well. Honestly she was my favourite character this season just because of how like she was so sweet and honest.. oh wait she’s evil now. The only silver lining is the badass line she had. Totally done dirty though.
I don't buy the "she was always a spy" interpretation. I think she was heartbroken when cait took vi back immediately and threw her away. Then went with ambessa for some reason. Something something revenge you taught me. I like that idea. It was just half baked as hell and you have to assume ALOT took place off screen.
The whole enforcer strike team was done dirty. Episodes 1-3 seemed to be setting Loris up like a replacement Vander for Vi, who would mentor her and pick her up when she was at her lowest, and probably help her snap Caitlyn out of her Mussolini arc. Instead he just pisses off about 2 minutes into the start of episode 4 and we don't see him again until he's manning a turret in episode 9...and then he gets arrowed to the face almost immediately and dies. Maddie as you said was absolutely squandered. Her turn to traitor came completely out of left field and obviously happened just so they could get her inconvenient existence out of the way of Caitlyn and Vi. The people who "always knew Maddie would turn out to be evil" or "never trusted Maddie" just felt that way because they were annoyed that this new character was getting in the way of their favorite 'ship. There was no setup whatsoever for her working with Ambessa. She was even trying to convince Caitlyn to cut ties with the Noxians and end martial law in episode 4. Are we honestly supposed to believe that she'd hand over the whole of Piltover, all her fellow enforcers, and be willing to put a bullet in Caitlyn's head just because Caitlyn snubbed her for Vi? Because that seems to be what it wants us to believe. And the fish man did nothing. His biggest moment was attaching a bomb to Viktor's "egg" which didn't even explode. Did he even have a single line of dialog in the whole season? I don't think they even gave a name for him. It's apparently Steb, but I only know that thanks to Google. Like, they put this elite enforcer team together at the end of the first episode, and all they do is arrest some low-level goons in Zaun during a music video montage before Vi and Caitlyn send them away for no reason (it would've been really helpful to have 3 more enforcers during that Sevika and Jinx fight at the end of episode 3...just sayin), and then they do basically nothing for the rest of the season. What was even the point of them?
She did not even have to be a spy , or a rebound just a good coworker who symphatizes with Caitlyn and Vi. I was utterly frustated with the théories of her being a spy and dead being proven true , when S1 have such a good writing . I thought I was crazy Saturday , it is good to see more nuanced critics about the show in general and not all people cheering for her death . Caitlyn even in the brothel scene seemed to be more open with the woman than with Maddie . Caitlyn development sucked so much and in S1 she was my favorite, if she has to lean in the dark side let her have face consequences (martial Law , Vi and Maddie's treatment ).
@@DianaDonineaux so true, Caitlyn doesn't face any consequences except for one, namely her duel with Ambessa. I really enjoyed Cait being rubbished by Ambessa because this is her punishment for all this bullshit she did. I also love that they actually went for permanent damage of Caitlyn loosing her eye, this is basically her redemption. One of my favourite battles ever.
This was the ending to a show about timetravel-multiverse-shenanigans and robot-zombies trying to end humanity. I don't know if the ending was bad, I'd have to see it's respective show before I can make that call. Also, there's still this unfinished show about police-brutality and class-warfare that still needs a conclusion. I'd be really interested in seeing that.
Well at least Twitter goons are happy. Looks like these folks can be amused by absolutely anything lol. Pity that our voiced most likely won't be heard. Anyway we still must to vocalize our dissatisfaction with this season since looks like there's a plenty of people who are disappointed too
The ending wasn’t “bad” per say I’ve seen far worse endings, so I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s bad. However it felt extremely convoluted and rushed in my honest opinion.
Id say it's like the ending season of game of thrones. Like yeah technically compared to a cw show it was still good but compared to the previous seasons they were garbage.
It was unnecessarily big Jinx' fakeout death was the worst way to dispatch the character, both sisters deserved a heartfelt goodbye not Vander waking up for some dumb reason even tho the army is still dead and hollow Also Viktor should never have joined Ambessa considering she was the bane of those he wanted to protect Honestly the whole robot apocalypse should have been in the Jayce flashback episode and establish Piltover vs Noxus as the final conflict
Not only should Viktor not have joined Ambessa, but Ambessa had no reason to ally herself with Viktor. Unless I missed something, her stated goal was finding a weapon to combat mages / the Black Rose because she saw magic users as violating the core principles she believed in. So her solution is to...ally with a magic user on the promise that he'll make her an army of magic puppets? And then, despite preaching the importance of guile, she's so naive as to believe that this clearly-unstable magic user and his army of magical mind-controlled death-puppets aren't going to turn on her as soon as he achieves his goal?
i feel like you're too stuck on episode 7 wasting sceentime. Skipping over ekko/jayce stuff and giving that 40 minutes to the war stuff wouldnt have helped much. Im just grateful we got the masterpiece that is episode 7 and instead of getting 3 shit episodes we only got 2. Im so sad man, there were a lot of good ideas in episodes 8 and 9 but i think they needed another act at the LEAST. But i think a 3rd season would've been perfect assuming they can write and execute like they have in the past. The recieving of this ending has been way too good, this ending deserves hate but its getting love. It makes me mad and dissapointed. Not only am i dissapointed in the writers for massacring characters (particularily jinx) and rushing the story and giving NO epilogue for ANY characters BESIDES cait and vi kinda.. Like come on. But im also so dissapointed in the fanbase for no realising how many flaws are in these last 2 episodes and the ending as a whole. Like it shouldnt be a debate that these 2 episodes are by far the worst out of the show's 18 episodes.. They went 16/18 imo, all 16 of those episodes being 8.5/10 and above and then the last 2 had to be the shitters, like why.. i hope people realise the ending is bad soon. Also is this just a reupload?
@@AidanDonnelly-x9i I uploaded this video earlier but with yesterday’s footage. So I had to take the episode down and reupload it with the correct footage. And I think the reason I’m so stuck on episode seven is because although it explains crucial plot points it’s playing catch up with act 2 which damages episodes 8 and 9 by not giving them enough time to properly explore certain ideas
Season 2 as whole had pacing issues episode one felt more like season one episode ten, episodes eight and nine felt very rushed and Kaitlyn's ark as whole feels rushed. Arcane would have benefited from a third season and for those saying "the didn't have enough content for a third season" shut up Ekko,Hiemer and Jayce's trip though the Arcane verse could have been a whole act and if it had happened in season one Vi's pit fighter ark would havs been a whole episode and not two minutes. Like shit you mean to tell me Ekko and Heimer enter a world without Hex-Tech but they manage the to not only invent Hex-Tech but the Z-Drive as well in fourty minutes what just because Powder helped?
The writers, animators, and everyone planned it to have two seasons even from the start. Arcane took 10 years to create and you think they did not have these considerations? Riot offered more seasons but the writers believe that a second season was enough and the story of Piltover and Zaun could be expanded on other shows they have planned. This ending was far from perfect but all the criticisms I've seen online are either people with 0 media literacy or those that whining because information have not been spoonfed to them. Heimer and Ekko were able to build a hextech machine because they have hexcore materials and they have experience with hextech itself. Heimer is an immortal genius and Ekko is an experienced tinkerer.
it was bad. social strugle sudently dosent existe racisme against zaunien pouf... the ideological change of vicktor in 1s thene he is the bad guy victor do not change organicly it have to die 2 time to justifie him changing every thing in he psyky he is not a character but an excuse for lazy scenariste
you seem to lack some cinematographique culture and nowledge but continu i hope that you will learn more about story telling go to university i hope english people have free cinema uni but i will subscribe to see the folowing of your work
Maddie was done so dirty, I also have a whole lot to say about it.
Firstly, it really doesn't make any sense that Maddie was a traitor. Like you say, there are no clues at all. In every scene she's in, she supports Cait. Look at the scene in Cait's bedroom, Maddie keeps telling Caitlyn how she can make her own decisions, she even proposes Cait to break with Ambessa. Not only that, look how desperate Maddie is for Caitlyn's touch and affection. Or the scene at Caitly's mother's grave, Maddie looks crushed. So basically all of it was a game? She's just this super perfect, manipulative, cold spy? It feels so wrong. Then, even if we assume that is the case, she still did quite a bad job. She could have shot Cait countless times. She even allowed Cait to shoot at Ambessa while having her unshielded back only to Maddie. Maddie must be the best and the worst spy / traitor at the same time.
Secondly, then there is the story reason why I hate this reveal. Caitlyn was so cold to Maddie, took advantage of her and eventually cheated on her the moment she had the chance. Kiling Maddie off is making Caitlyn way too easy to get back to Vi. There are basically 3 obstacles for Cait x Vi in act 3: Cait having been an evil dictator, Maddie and Jinx. None of these points are resolved well in my opinion. But just killing Maddie was the worst. I wished they made Cait take responsibility for her actions and live with the fact that she was quite an asshole to Maddie.
Finally, even if we accept all of this, they never did anything interesting with Maddie being the traitor. She gets shot immediately, so sad. Like c'mon let her be evil for longer. Let her kill someone important, do something, make it count. Because honestly Maddie could have died in this action without being a traitor and nothing would really be different and that sucks. The writers just wanted to have her gone.
Well, my favourite solution to this would be that Maddie was a spy but then actually fell for Caitlyn which would explain her behaviour and also not shooting Cait. It would also be a fun reveal, because then Cait would have to face even more conficting emotions about having cheated on Maddie.
So, I know, this is now fanfiction, but my head canon is now that Maddie was a spy, fell for Cait, actually became loyal to Cait but then found out, that Cait cheated and then became the traitor again :D
@@AleksandraSetsumei bro nearly made that my head cannon as well. Honestly she was my favourite character this season just because of how like she was so sweet and honest.. oh wait she’s evil now. The only silver lining is the badass line she had. Totally done dirty though.
I don't buy the "she was always a spy" interpretation. I think she was heartbroken when cait took vi back immediately and threw her away. Then went with ambessa for some reason. Something something revenge you taught me.
I like that idea. It was just half baked as hell and you have to assume ALOT took place off screen.
The whole enforcer strike team was done dirty. Episodes 1-3 seemed to be setting Loris up like a replacement Vander for Vi, who would mentor her and pick her up when she was at her lowest, and probably help her snap Caitlyn out of her Mussolini arc. Instead he just pisses off about 2 minutes into the start of episode 4 and we don't see him again until he's manning a turret in episode 9...and then he gets arrowed to the face almost immediately and dies.
Maddie as you said was absolutely squandered. Her turn to traitor came completely out of left field and obviously happened just so they could get her inconvenient existence out of the way of Caitlyn and Vi. The people who "always knew Maddie would turn out to be evil" or "never trusted Maddie" just felt that way because they were annoyed that this new character was getting in the way of their favorite 'ship. There was no setup whatsoever for her working with Ambessa. She was even trying to convince Caitlyn to cut ties with the Noxians and end martial law in episode 4. Are we honestly supposed to believe that she'd hand over the whole of Piltover, all her fellow enforcers, and be willing to put a bullet in Caitlyn's head just because Caitlyn snubbed her for Vi? Because that seems to be what it wants us to believe.
And the fish man did nothing. His biggest moment was attaching a bomb to Viktor's "egg" which didn't even explode. Did he even have a single line of dialog in the whole season? I don't think they even gave a name for him. It's apparently Steb, but I only know that thanks to Google.
Like, they put this elite enforcer team together at the end of the first episode, and all they do is arrest some low-level goons in Zaun during a music video montage before Vi and Caitlyn send them away for no reason (it would've been really helpful to have 3 more enforcers during that Sevika and Jinx fight at the end of episode 3...just sayin), and then they do basically nothing for the rest of the season. What was even the point of them?
She did not even have to be a spy , or a rebound just a good coworker who symphatizes with Caitlyn and Vi. I was utterly frustated with the théories of her being a spy and dead being proven true , when S1 have such a good writing . I thought I was crazy Saturday , it is good to see more nuanced critics about the show in general and not all people cheering for her death .
Caitlyn even in the brothel scene seemed to be more open with the woman than with Maddie . Caitlyn development sucked so much and in S1 she was my favorite, if she has to lean in the dark side let her have face consequences (martial Law , Vi and Maddie's treatment ).
@@DianaDonineaux so true, Caitlyn doesn't face any consequences except for one, namely her duel with Ambessa. I really enjoyed Cait being rubbished by Ambessa because this is her punishment for all this bullshit she did. I also love that they actually went for permanent damage of Caitlyn loosing her eye, this is basically her redemption. One of my favourite battles ever.
This was the ending to a show about timetravel-multiverse-shenanigans and robot-zombies trying to end humanity. I don't know if the ending was bad, I'd have to see it's respective show before I can make that call.
Also, there's still this unfinished show about police-brutality and class-warfare that still needs a conclusion. I'd be really interested in seeing that.
this is exactly it you put it into words perfectly
yes it was.
Freacking MCU final battle, really?
Well at least Twitter goons are happy. Looks like these folks can be amused by absolutely anything lol.
Pity that our voiced most likely won't be heard. Anyway we still must to vocalize our dissatisfaction with this season since looks like there's a plenty of people who are disappointed too
The ending wasn’t “bad” per say I’ve seen far worse endings, so I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s bad. However it felt extremely convoluted and rushed in my honest opinion.
@@raymondsims7042 yeah I mean at least it had some logic and depth behind it. Glad it wasn’t as atrocious as GoT
Id say it's like the ending season of game of thrones. Like yeah technically compared to a cw show it was still good but compared to the previous seasons they were garbage.
@@BadMike0 I agree with this
@@nevetstrevel4711 fair take
The final episode felt like an MCU final battle lol
It was unnecessarily big
Jinx' fakeout death was the worst way to dispatch the character, both sisters deserved a heartfelt goodbye not Vander waking up for some dumb reason even tho the army is still dead and hollow
Also Viktor should never have joined Ambessa considering she was the bane of those he wanted to protect
Honestly the whole robot apocalypse should have been in the Jayce flashback episode and establish Piltover vs Noxus as the final conflict
@@my2randomcents do you think jinx isn’t dead then?
@BadMike0 bunch of people have already cracked how she isn't
and it honestly makes a ton of sense
@@my2randomcents I’ll have to learn about it, I despise fake out deaths
@BadMike0 ditto, specially when they bring nothing to the table
Not only should Viktor not have joined Ambessa, but Ambessa had no reason to ally herself with Viktor. Unless I missed something, her stated goal was finding a weapon to combat mages / the Black Rose because she saw magic users as violating the core principles she believed in. So her solution is to...ally with a magic user on the promise that he'll make her an army of magic puppets? And then, despite preaching the importance of guile, she's so naive as to believe that this clearly-unstable magic user and his army of magical mind-controlled death-puppets aren't going to turn on her as soon as he achieves his goal?
i feel like you're too stuck on episode 7 wasting sceentime. Skipping over ekko/jayce stuff and giving that 40 minutes to the war stuff wouldnt have helped much. Im just grateful we got the masterpiece that is episode 7 and instead of getting 3 shit episodes we only got 2. Im so sad man, there were a lot of good ideas in episodes 8 and 9 but i think they needed another act at the LEAST. But i think a 3rd season would've been perfect assuming they can write and execute like they have in the past. The recieving of this ending has been way too good, this ending deserves hate but its getting love. It makes me mad and dissapointed. Not only am i dissapointed in the writers for massacring characters (particularily jinx) and rushing the story and giving NO epilogue for ANY characters BESIDES cait and vi kinda.. Like come on. But im also so dissapointed in the fanbase for no realising how many flaws are in these last 2 episodes and the ending as a whole. Like it shouldnt be a debate that these 2 episodes are by far the worst out of the show's 18 episodes.. They went 16/18 imo, all 16 of those episodes being 8.5/10 and above and then the last 2 had to be the shitters, like why.. i hope people realise the ending is bad soon.
Also is this just a reupload?
, he uploaded the reupload of the last video at first under this title 4:30 but now its changed
@@AidanDonnelly-x9i I uploaded this video earlier but with yesterday’s footage. So I had to take the episode down and reupload it with the correct footage. And I think the reason I’m so stuck on episode seven is because although it explains crucial plot points it’s playing catch up with act 2 which damages episodes 8 and 9 by not giving them enough time to properly explore certain ideas
@@BadMike0yea my point is episode 8 and 9 were beyond saving though. Needed another full act at the bare minimum
I still have no idea what Ambessa,wanted
Season 2 as whole had pacing issues episode one felt more like season one episode ten, episodes eight and nine felt very rushed and Kaitlyn's ark as whole feels rushed. Arcane would have benefited from a third season and for those saying "the didn't have enough content for a third season" shut up Ekko,Hiemer and Jayce's trip though the Arcane verse could have been a whole act and if it had happened in season one Vi's pit fighter ark would havs been a whole episode and not two minutes. Like shit you mean to tell me Ekko and Heimer enter a world without Hex-Tech but they manage the to not only invent Hex-Tech but the Z-Drive as well in fourty minutes what just because Powder helped?
The writers, animators, and everyone planned it to have two seasons even from the start. Arcane took 10 years to create and you think they did not have these considerations? Riot offered more seasons but the writers believe that a second season was enough and the story of Piltover and Zaun could be expanded on other shows they have planned. This ending was far from perfect but all the criticisms I've seen online are either people with 0 media literacy or those that whining because information have not been spoonfed to them.
Heimer and Ekko were able to build a hextech machine because they have hexcore materials and they have experience with hextech itself. Heimer is an immortal genius and Ekko is an experienced tinkerer.
was it bad?
No, it was perfect
it was bad. social strugle sudently dosent existe racisme against zaunien pouf... the ideological change of vicktor in 1s thene he is the bad guy victor do not change organicly it have to die 2 time to justifie him changing every thing in he psyky he is not a character but an excuse for lazy scenariste
you seem to lack some cinematographique culture and nowledge but continu i hope that you will learn more about story telling go to university i hope english people have free cinema uni but i will subscribe to see the folowing of your work
This is joker 2 bad. Ending of got bad. Literally worse than nothing
Nope