They don't even have to code Garchomp enduring a killing blow. Just by giving her pkmn this resource & max friendship on all pkmn, it would spell doom.
I think that should be totally fair. its like plot armor and saves you so many times its redicoulous. i feel like if i win against cynthia just beauce of that mechanic, its undeserved. EIther it should be disabled in champion, gym , rival battles or they should have the same chance too
@@MigotRen True. Winning like this feels undeserving. That's why i always wanted also NPC's to have that Features. Of course most of us and even i myself would loose our minds but still, it would feel way more deserving to win.
Garchomp has Poison Jab, so it probably it's difficult for Gardevoir, Togekiss or Clefable to take down Garchomp. It's a killer machine!!!! I take down Garchomp using Torterra Stealth Rock, Magnezone Reflect and ability Sturdy, and Mismagius 2 Dazzling Gleams!!! A great smart play!!!!!
99.9% of the game: spam strongest move This one fight: Equip items, set up calm minds and nasty plots, baton pass, use terrain changes and status moves, read future attacks by u-turning or volt switching into Mon's that will take ineffective hits, and pray to God that you're faster. I swear, if the AI in the entire game was like this, it would probably be the most frustrating, fun, and greatest Pokemon game of all time. Maybe I just don't remember Cynthia that well, but I don't think a single champion in the whole franchise ever gave me as much anxiety as battling her. Shit was like a wifi battle.
The whole game WAS like this, but if your pokemon were overlevelled you could one shot them all because the pokemon that were used weren't incredibly versatile like Cynthia's were. For example, in the first Mars fight in the Valley Windworks, if you don't kill her Zubat immediately she U-Turns into Purugly. Like...these trainers don't play around
Its frustrating because its so hard to *not* be overleveled. You have to actively avoid trainers which is not only a pain the butt, it also makes it hard to get the National Dex. Id love to enjoy the challenge outside of Cynthia
@@litaf4889 According to the official Pokémon records for gen 4, it states and I quote “All of Cynthia's Pokémon have 31 IVs in each of their stats in Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum.” And “all of Cynthia’s Pokémon in BDSP have perfect IV’s of 31 except for her Spiritomb” and “ all of her Pokémon have 510 EV stats.” Research it yourself next time you want to say you know something.
@ReddX I guess what I mean by that are ones that keep record of everything pertaining to a specific topic, through different changes and still giving insight on older generations.
If the elite four did not shrink your confidence, hopefullness and balls bigger than arceus affter battling them during a hardcore nuzlocke cynthia will sterillyse you
I remember seeing a reddit post about that. A mom who grew up with Pokemon commented on how her son cried in happiness when he finally beat Cynthia for the first time after days of failing.
i won against her at my 3rd try, the first 2 ones i got to the garchomp and got destroyed, so 3rd trie i bought 50 revives 50 max potions and 50 super and just sat there for 30 mins like i did when i was younger
@@StarmannHD First try i swept through all of them besides milo and gar which i just tricked the ai into using earthquake on a staraptor and getting the intim off
I'm so glad I'm not the only person who had a ton of trouble with her in BDSP. She was always difficult in the OG games, but omg the addition of Fairy may have made her harder
@@duythuc1515 all her mons also have competitive EVs and IVs giving them higher stats than any other NPC. AI as well, one of the only trainers who actually switches.
@@duythuc1515 nah he's right, people would think fairies would make her easier but her team is now using everything in the game to kill every thing strong against her Garchomp
“Cynthia’s Lv 66 Garchomp with the activated Swords Dance and maxed speed toughed it out so that she wouldn’t feel sad!” My twice max-revived Lv 70 Garchomp and the rest of my KO-ed team: Screams in pure terror
i thought it was since gen 7 btw this is Cynthia showing mercy because Garchomp has access to the move iron head which counters both ice and fairy mons
@@lucygirl1111 yeah it technically could be worse lol I was expecting her re-match team Chomp to have Iron Head honestly... just to make real impossible.
@@SharkyMcSnarkface oh lord I got to her garchomp and only had one Pokémon left. I tried to use dragon claw on her garchomp which could’ve one shotted her, but she one shotted me first 😡😡😡😂
To anyone reading this struggling against Cynthia, level up in the big chamber underground from celestic town. There is a guy down there that will heal you and mime, houndoom and girafarig give an actual good amount of experience.
yo actually thank u. she’s wooping me so i wanna train some new pokemon to put on my team and i just kept going thru the elite four and losing to farm exp bc the underground wasnt doing much for me
XP wise that's fine but you really wanna be grinding EVs if you can at that point and for that it's the old couple on route 212. The man for attck EVs and the woman for sp attack. Basically they both only give 1 or 2 points respectively but they give so much money, wiht the amulet coin I think it's like 16k per rematch at that point so just do like 5 battles and buy like 8 calciums or proteins or whatever or even carbos for speed that's just the main priority there especially if you haven't been using the pokemon for a long time like if you catch one of the lake spirits just for the elite four which is a really good strat
I was having such a hard time with her, I was able to take her team out reasonably well but as soon as that garchomp comes out it would wipe my whole team. But Gengars Destiny bond saved my butt.
I remember the only reason I beat her in Platinum one playthrough was by relying on my gengar's curse and my mamoswine's ice shard... and a LOT of revives.
She almost made me fail my nuzlocke. I was definitely caught off-guard when her Garchomp poison jabbed my Azumarill. If not for max friendship shenanigans it would have died. On back-to-back turns!
I went into Cynthia in my nuzlocke with only 4 Mons left. Amazingly I only lost 1 to her (Chimecho), and finished with a Lucario, Crobat and Gyarados. Her Milotic was a proper obstacle for me, since only Chimecho with Shock Wave could deal super effective damage
@@EvilSnowVO That Flame Orb Milotic is a real wall man lol.... my first time challenging her it took me forever to make it past that Milotic... only for Garchomp to then fucking sweep my entire squad lol
@@KS-xk2so Roserade completely counters her Milotic. Leech seed + giga drain + leftovers/black sludge + high spdef means not even Milotic’s ice beam can threaten you
@@coqui9879 Yeah I went Turtwig on my first playthrough, so no Roserade for me.... plus I already had my own Milotic and Garchomp... can't copy Cynthia's squad too much haha
@@KS-xk2so lol nice! I chose infernape so I could have a good fire-type and used gyarados as my water-type. I ended up only needing 3 Pokémon for Cynthia. Roserade handled spiritomb/gastrodon/Milotic, gyarados set up dragon dances and swept the rest, and I used bronzong to set up light screen/reflect for support
I like how in a relatively equal fight, most people only get by thanks to the "Your Pokemon has a random chance to survive!" mechanic (which I don't actually like, but also it's whatever)
@@cantdestroyher7245 eh, two things: 1. Cynthia is infamous - everyone knows her line up. 99% of the reason for her reputation is because of the novel experience of the playerbase who fought against her for the first time when DPPT came out, nobody knew what Pokemon she used because she never showed up until the Champion fight. WTF were Spiritomb and Garchomp? Because of her infamy, people can absolutely prep teams whose primary focus is to counter hers - the competitive edge of her Pokemon is supposed to keep that in check. When people say things like 'oh she wasn't that hard, I just used counters to her team' - well, DUH, you knew what her line up was and already had 90% of the battle in your favor. 2. You are not limited by item usage, withdrawal tactics, baiting her AI, and just plain overleveling your Pokemon. The favor is almost always on our side. She's not impossible to eat - her battle just means using your brains for once instead of going hurr durr flamethrower 30x.
@cainyourkids sure you can cheese with x items etc. or the right build or just use gyarados. My point was about the game's progression and balancing more than the battle itself. Better game design would've given you the tools to build a comparable team to hers somewhat easily, rather than just give you cheese.
As a huge gen 4 fan I was well aware of how strong she is, and what her team is, so I built my team around what would beat hers, and it still took me 2 attempts. I literally hard countered her and she still beat me the first time.
i was op for the entire game and I had to use a hail strategy for her Garchomp. I kept reviving my Abomasnow so that its ability could create a hailstorm, then revive all my pokemons as the Garchomp one-shotted them. eventually it died. I feel so ashamed to have won this way
I feel you, but at least you thought of a viable strategy. In my case my Gardevoir traced its Rough Skin and managed to chip away at its HP to about a third - it was completely unintended and I’d originally wanted a Ralts with Synchronise instead because nostalgia (that was what I had in Sapphire version). In the end I survived because friendship - my Lv 70 Garchomp - my only mon left - managed to avoid her dragon claw, which had one-shotted me the first two times. I didn’t even have time to set up Swords Dance, so am pretty sure it wouldn’t have KO-ed with Dragon Claw if it weren’t for Traced Rough Skin. I won but the feeling sucked, it wasn’t an honourable win imo.
I defeated Cynthia back in Platinum by relying on gengar's curse and mamoswine's ice shard, along with a LOT of revives. I felt ashamed to have won like that too, it felt like I'd cheated since NPC's can't revive their pokemon. Oh well.
Cynthia was always a pain. I purposely got a Steelix early on just because I wanted something that could tank a hit from her Garchomp and slow it down with rock tomb and have affection for some added lucky dodges
The only reason I had an easy time with Cynthia is because I used 2 full restores and an x speed on my Tortera so that I could get off a couple swords dances and a stealth rock before sweeping her.
@@gancyr3D Man, I went through like 7 revives and got lucky because I got an extra one off on a turn she used swords dance. My Mew double KOd with her Garchomp and I won the battle because I a mon in the back. I won the battle, but by NO means did I beat Cynthia.
@@gancyr3D I set up Calm Minds and used an X-Speed as well on my Gardevoir to sweep her team. Even with a couple Calm Minds and a Modest Natured Gardevoir, her Milotic and Gastrodon tanked a hit. Everything else got one shot.
they had us in the first half with the avalanche, until rough skin struck again lol. When you finally did win it's damn lucky it was a special attack so rough skin didn't activate
Been playing since gen 1 and it’s been a LONG time since I’ve dealt with this much trouble from a champion battle. I bought SP and caught hell from the Cynthia battle; but I at least had a more suitable team. I ended up with BD for Christmas so naturally I opted to play through with a completely different team (that I still thought was suitable for Cynthia)…after so many resets it got so bad I had to eventually just take the L and start from the beginning because my team was just flat out NOT READY. I thought it was bad the first time but she humbled me this time around
I swept her entire team with Chimecho by setting up calm minds on Gastrodon. Chimecho proceeded to take out Roserade, Milotic, and Lucario, who are all special attackers. Chimecho then survived on one health against Garchomp through the power of friendship, leading to my victory.
Literally the same God damn thing happened to me. I thought a I had squeaked out the win and then rough skin popped up and I was ded. Cynthia just built different
@@what.are.you.doing.stepbro The Garchomp was the last Pokémon, as indicated by the standby HUD during the turns w/ Garchomp out. (Edit: As well as Cynthia saying her dialogue (she hasn’t been backed into a corner like this in a long time) when she’s down to one Pokémon.)
I remember in previous generations, I would start the Cynthia battle with a Luxray, and once it took out her Spiritomb, she would immediately bring in Garchomp for her second Pokemon. I actually prefer that order, since nothing was harder than Garchomp.
@@richard35791 Pokémon games are not balanced on Nuzlockes, 0 itens chalanges and other stuff the players came up whit, they are balanced assuming the player will use all the tolls at their dispossal, so realisticaly the only to beat them is though luck.
@@jeanluca2002 well as tank style player instead of sweeper, just my opinion i dont give a fuck about speed, just max defense (power of frienship favor glasscanon sweeper pokemon and i hate it)
Cynthia's been the greatest challenge in all of my time playing Pokemon. Never have I had to EV train a Pokemon before the post game in series, and it's all because of her Garchomp. That nightmare managed to decimate Pokemon *FIVE LEVELS HIGHER* than herself with ease because of her Jolly nature (-SP ATK +SPD), and max EVs in Attack and Speed. After three defeats and three days, I trained my own Garchomp named Azrael. He was an Impish Nature (-SP ATK +DEF), with EVs heavily put into Attack and Speed, but with 50 points in both defenses. He was two levels lower than Cynthia's Garchomp, and I know Azrael can't outspeed it. My only hope is for him to take a Dragon Claw to the face as he does the same. With both dragons slashing through each other, only one was able to stay standing with HP to spare. That one Dragon Claw had did the trick and defeated the nightmare that was Cynthia's Garchomp.
I lost to Cynthia at least a dozen times. I finally had to teach my tentacruel Thief to remove the fire orb off of Milotic. That thing was just too bulky for my team. Still nearly lost and I used hella potions.
Heeeyy I used a similar strat, just with an ursaring! Boosted guts and allowed me to one shot the lucario on the swap in. ^-^ But yeah I agree, even without it, that milotic is a friggin nightmare.
Sad thing is he said she doesn't heal well let me tell you something she can and it's bullshit I been stuck on Cynthia for 3 days but I beat her and I yelled so loud out of happiness
I got pretty lucky with defeating her tbh. I wiped out the pokemon she had before Garchomp and managed to take it out with a very lucky fissure, one-hit KO'ing it.
Dude I kept reviving my Kricketune over and over hoping Id get a friendship survive so I could perish song. Then, she went for Swords Dance, so i was able to just keep reviving one pokemon until it fainted.
I didn't struggle with her in the remakes like I did when I was a kid, but I still adore this battle and I'm happy they made her tougher. I wish every game had a challenge mode like Black/White 2 does with good AI, EVs, and items. It'd be so much fun.
Same thing happened to me the first time, lol. I was able to cancel out the Swords Dance and even bring Garchomp’s attack down to like minus 3 by intimidating it with Luxray and Staraptor back and forth… in the end Staraptor was my last Pokemon and I killed Garchomp with Giga Impact, but its rough skin brought me down with it. I can honestly say it’s the first time something like that had happened to me, and also the first time I’ve ever struggled against a champion. I’ve been playing Pokémon since Gen 1, and not once have I ever had my entire team eliminated. Even Cynthia herself back in Gen 4 wasn’t anywhere near this difficult.
@@epsilon795 i feel like he would have had a a way better chance at mismagius surviving a dragon claw and getting a trick room off. The reason being that they were similar level, and garchomp had his default attack stat. the only problem with that would be that mismagius has horrible defence, but I still think she would have survived one hit
@@Neptune_171 Either way he was kind of screwed there. Basically just praying for a friendship save. Which did proc but still didnt quite save him since he used a physical move like avalanche.
I think the whole team wasn't properly raised or thought out. I only use Torterra, Mismagius, & 2 pickup mons while last 2 slots were use as lvl up fill ins for Pokedex. I didn't even start using Mismagius until I'd reach Iron Island for ev training thru double battles to have decent Defense & Speed before stuffing it with Calcium. I use it to sweep Cynthia's whole team as she has no ghost resist and Spiritomb would spam sucker punch while setting 4x calm mind & it tanked a dragon claw while OHKO Garchomp with Dazzling Gleam.
Managed to first try no items, this being the strat that won Turn 1 Kicketune uses sticky web Spiritomb uses dark pulse ~70% Turn 2 Switch rampardos Spiritomb uses dark pulse ~60% Turn 3 Rampardos uses Head smash (100% damage, ~40% recoil) Both die Switch in toxicroak and rosrade Turn 4 Toxicroak uses Poison jab ~80% Rosrade uses Shadow ball ~45% Turn 5 Tocicroak uses Poison jab ~20% kills Switch in milotic Turn 6 Toxicroak uses toxic Milotic uses scale heals ~25% Turn 7 Switch to spiritomb Milotic uses mirror coat (fails) Milotic takes toxic damage Turn 8 Milotic uses scald (missed due to affection, didnt acc matter) Spiritomb uses curse Milotic takes toxic and curse damage (down to ~45%) Turn 9 Switch to toxicroak Uses scald heals up to full Takes lethal toxic and curse damage Switches in gastrodon Turn 10 Switch to torterra Gastrodon uses earthquake (missed to to affection) Turn 11 Torterra uses wood hammer (100%damage, 30% recoil) Switches in lucario Turn 12 Lucario uses flash cannon ~60% Torterra uses earthquake (100% damage) Switches in garchomp Turn 13 Garchomp uses dragon claw ~10% kills Switch in bibarel Turn 14 Garchomp uses swords dance Bibarel uses ice beam (procs yache, ~30%, freezes but shouldnt matter) Turn 15 Garchomp is frozen Bibarel uses ice beam ~60% Turn 16 Cynthia uses full restore Bibarel uses ice beam ~60% Turn 17 Garchomp uses earthquake (+2 ignored by unaware, ~95%) Bibarel uses ice beam (~40%, kills) The friendship misses dont matter as spiritomb isnt used for the rest of the fight, and lives one scald, so it would kill itself with curse but that’s fine, and toxicroak always beats lucario as it draib punches to full and lives one flash canon, also outspeeding due to webs. Lastly the freeze doesnt matter as i meant to put choice specs on bibarel (you get them in celestic town) but i forgot, that would mean she earthquakes the turn she spends frozen, still doesnt kill, and ice beam then does kill it. Kricketune is super good in this game just cause of sticky web.
I've got a story to tell you. Out of all the elite fours I've had to deal with, more accurately, this version of DP, has been the most pain in the butt. Never before have I ever had so much trouble with a rival or a champion. But geeze the leveling system in this game is monstrous
I had heard about the problems people were having with her so I wanted to be prepared, I gave all my Pokémon good held items and I wanted to have ice shard on my mamoswine since something told me I would probably need it, I scrounged around the underground for like 30 minutes trying to get a heart scale, and lo and behold, ice shard is what got me the win lol
Sorry bit of a rant here to the 'Cynthia is so easy crowd', just need to say this. It's pokemon first of all, it's designed to be accessible to children, which means it is not typically ever going to be intentionally as hard as say a souls-like. Honestly you can stall her out in most cases just by typings or abilities (i.e. cycling a fairy and electric type to burn pp on garchomp, a gastrodon or pokemon with dryskin easily stalls milotic but limiting it to icebeam and recovery, etc, etc). And I see more than a few people go 'she's so easy, just stall her out using
I actually just fought her today and I was so close to losing. She was on her garchomp and I had only one Pokémon left and she kept using earthquake. I luckily had 11 revives and I kept reviving Pokémon until her earthquake ran out and than I one shot her garchomp with dialgas roar of the time. It was my second attempt and it was really scary I thought I’d have to start over
I fought her so many times and when I finally beat her it was due to extreme luck. It was my Garchomp vs her Garchomp and I was lucky enough to survive the first hit by a single hp and land a bulldoze slowing her Garchomp down. When I beat her I was the happiest man alive
I had to spam Max and Hyperpotions until her Garchomps Dragonclaw and Earthquake moves were gone leaving it with the poison attack. Don't like that I had to do that but I had a Rhydon to evolve and I was going to get that protector to make him Rhyperior damn it...
Dude same. I swept the elite 4 and and didn't have a single Pokemon KO'd. The her swept my entire team which were all about lvl 65. I thought my Crobat could pull off a quick hit but Chomp was still faster.
That literally happened to me. I had Infernape at 1 hp with +3 attack and he used the friendship boost to survive an earthquake and take no damage and one shot it just to die to rough skin. I was so tired after fighting her for hours I got so mad.
How to beat BDSP Cynthia easy every time tested in two nuzlockes (I swept her and the league first try both times) you need: Specially defensive Gyarados with substitute, dragon dance, Waterfall, Crunch and holding leftovers (you can get it in the grand underground) Clefable/Blissey with flash or Specially defensive Roserade with leech seed, stun spore and holding a papaya berry (the psychic berry) Step 1: use either a ton of flashes or set up leech seed on Spiritomb, follow with Stun Spore if using Roserade Step 2: switch in Gyarados Step 3: alternate between Dragon Dance and substitute as needed until +6 Step 4: murder by fish no fuss no muss no items, (though Milotic takes two hits) For extra curbstompage, set up stealth rock and light screen using Clefable/ Blissey.
I’ll be honest, I accidentally won 2nd try because I was training my team on the elite 4, reached Cynthia and was like “she’s gonna sweep me” but then within 3 turns I got 2 crits and KO’d two of her Pokémon. Milotic was the most difficult one because it’s pretty beefy, and her Lucario has a lot of coverage, but I pulled it off. I sobbed when mid credits the game said “error, application turning off”
I’m not sure what happened for me, I led with mismagius against her spiritomb, it kept spamming sucker punch so I went +5 calm mind and then murdered her team with psychic, shadow ball and dazzling gleam
So you had to legit PP stall to win? Jesus! They really certified her as the strongest Champion with this. God forbid he learns about the rematch teams for her AND the league because these guys don't fuck around.
His mistake was how many times he swapped, your just giving her free turns, she just whittled his team down...plus forgetting about garchomp's main ability was kinda on him
Never played the original of this generation but was genuinely impressed a champion could be a challenge. Cynthia made me genuinely frustrated and took multiple tries to defeat.
I beat her in the most bs way. I had a crazy amount of max potions and revives. I struggle a bit to get through her team but had a decent amount of my team left getting to Garchomp and then obviously it starts one shotting everyone until I'm left with just my Onix, who I had forgotten about it's sturdy ability. I would then use every single turn just using max potion while Garchomp just uses every single move it had until it had nothing left to attack with besides sword dance. Then I revived my whole team and finished off her then literally defenseless Garchomp.
Flashbacks to Gen 4 forced me to breed an Ice Punch Weavile and keep it on my team specifically to deal with Cynthia's Garchomp. However I nearly got a heart attack when I discovered it now held a Yache Berry. I was able to KO anyway when for some reason it Swords Danced after the first hit...
Her team is really strong. It took me like half a day to beat her with my team I saved before her. The problem was that I did'nt wanna give up and start all over again😅 She is so freaking strong if you don't have a strategy😅🤣
I lost in this exact way, my last pokemon was mamo and she crit me at -3, i lived on 3 and one shot her with avalanche even with yache. i can't believe throwing snow is considered "making contact"
I can confidently say my nuzlocke might end with cynthia. I'm trying to level my pokemon up and all I have for her garchomp is my froslass and blissey. Both of which I have set up more for set ups with hail, Aurora veil and stealth rock minimize. I had a garchomp I was training with max evs for speed and attack. But he died to volkner
Bro this actually happened to me. I had one Pokémon left. I had luxray and he was 1 hp. But I used crunch and killed her garchomp and luxray took damage to rough skin and died. I was so mad
Luckily when I battled Cynthia her Garchomp came out early. My team was Empoleon, Jirachi, Roserade, Luxray, Staraptor, & Gyarados. I barely won the battle but I got in the Hall of Fame on the first shot. Best battle of the game!
Honestly i only won because i lead a light screen thunder wave luxray and then switched into a garchomp who i spammed swords dance on and wiped out the rest of her team, with the exception of her garchomp who outsped and one hit my garchomp. Then i literally had to toxic stall it with crobat as it wiped out the rest of my team.
Beat her without affection and items without losing once But I freaking bred a competitive team through my friend trading ne the competitive items it was still Hard
I had no idea how tough they'd made Cynthia this time. My first time challenging her, Garchomp swept like 5 of my team and kicked my ass hard. Then I looked into it, prepped, gained some levels, went in ready.... and this exact thing happened to me, my last pokemon held on, knocked out her Garchomp, then lost to chip damage from Rough Skin lol fuck was I mad.
So happy to see this. I must say, to finally have an NPC trainer who can beat HGSS Red is incredible. I hope the Gen 5 remakes do the same thing with Alder, but please, let us turn off EXP share
bruh I wouldn’t be against ILCA making the Gen 5 remakes. I honestly really like BDSP a lot more than Let’s Go and SWSH. I’ve been addicted to it despite being done with the story. If they’re involved in Gen 5 remakes, they better make the N fight as difficult and memorable as when I fought him as a child 😭
Ooof Account I am wholly against the idea. ILCA is a mobile game studio: they shouldn’t be making and butchering Pokémon games. They must find another, better studio.
@@queenoof69 I got Let's go evee and BD for Christmas and as soon as I found out I couldn't battle wild Pokemon I dropped the game and the only thing that was used for was getting Mew in BD 😅
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Imagine if they coded her Garchomp to, at least only one time, endure a killing blow because they too love Cynthia.
I won by the skin of my teeth because my torterra did that but if she did it too I’d be done
They don't even have to code Garchomp enduring a killing blow. Just by giving her pkmn this resource & max friendship on all pkmn, it would spell doom.
I think that should be totally fair. its like plot armor and saves you so many times its redicoulous. i feel like if i win against cynthia just beauce of that mechanic, its undeserved. EIther it should be disabled in champion, gym , rival battles or they should have the same chance too
@@MigotRen True. Winning like this feels undeserving. That's why i always wanted also NPC's to have that Features. Of course most of us and even i myself would loose our minds but still, it would feel way more deserving to win.
Then I would also endure a killing blow because I too love Cynthia
Cynthia heard us all trash talk that she'd be an easy win because of Togekiss in BDSP, so she decided to just completely outshine her original team.
Well toge was in the platinum vers. Her team in the remake is actually the og
I never did trash talk her at all because the player can get togekiss.
That's because i knew garchomp can learn iron head and poision jab.
Garchomp has Poison Jab, so it probably it's difficult for Gardevoir, Togekiss or Clefable to take down Garchomp. It's a killer machine!!!! I take down Garchomp using Torterra Stealth Rock, Magnezone Reflect and ability Sturdy, and Mismagius 2 Dazzling Gleams!!! A great smart play!!!!!
Honestly togekiss was my least used. Almost All her Pokémon got a damn counter for it
@@yuialcane9583 her rematch team is the platinum team, scary time
99.9% of the game: spam strongest move
This one fight: Equip items, set up calm minds and nasty plots, baton pass, use terrain changes and status moves, read future attacks by u-turning or volt switching into Mon's that will take ineffective hits, and pray to God that you're faster.
I swear, if the AI in the entire game was like this, it would probably be the most frustrating, fun, and greatest Pokemon game of all time. Maybe I just don't remember Cynthia that well, but I don't think a single champion in the whole franchise ever gave me as much anxiety as battling her. Shit was like a wifi battle.
I don't think I need every trainer battle to be a fucking raid boss..... that's the reason I gave up on TemTem
I only won cuz she swords danced instead of murdering my Abomasnow
*survived
The whole game WAS like this, but if your pokemon were overlevelled you could one shot them all because the pokemon that were used weren't incredibly versatile like Cynthia's were. For example, in the first Mars fight in the Valley Windworks, if you don't kill her Zubat immediately she U-Turns into Purugly. Like...these trainers don't play around
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Its frustrating because its so hard to *not* be overleveled. You have to actively avoid trainers which is not only a pain the butt, it also makes it hard to get the National Dex.
Id love to enjoy the challenge outside of Cynthia
Gen 8 Cynthia is terrifying because her team is a perfectly competitive team and comes with a way better AI than back at Gen 4.
The AI is better. But she always had a perfectly competitive team.
@@Edge-mv3jw lies, they’ve never had every trainer have “competitive @ Pokémon
@@litaf4889 According to the official Pokémon records for gen 4, it states and I quote “All of Cynthia's Pokémon have 31 IVs in each of their stats in Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum.” And “all of Cynthia’s Pokémon in BDSP have perfect IV’s of 31 except for her Spiritomb” and “ all of her Pokémon have 510 EV stats.” Research it yourself next time you want to say you know something.
@ReddX I guess what I mean by that are ones that keep record of everything pertaining to a specific topic, through different changes and still giving insight on older generations.
Idk what y’all talking about Cynthia was easy, I steam rolled her with my gardevoir
I love how Cynthia is literally the hardest trainer in every game she's in lol. She should've been in Smash with Garchomp
Dragonclaw 0% = instadeath
Agreed. The only real character that deserves it besides Red.
Cynthia was easy back to the original games
That's debatable iris is a harder champion tbh
@@Elou-hq3cq no shit, you need grinding 20 hours to equal all your 6 pokemon to her levwl 66 garchomp in original game
what do you mean gen 8 Cynthia is terrifying. Cynthia in general is terrifying...
If the elite four did not shrink your confidence, hopefullness and balls bigger than arceus affter battling them during a hardcore nuzlocke cynthia will sterillyse you
@@payodomingo6789 Permanent damage is unavoidable
Cynthia almost justifies the Gen 8 friendship bonuses. Almost.
@@TheTownNarcoleptic you can turn it off :)
No she's lovely, MY team is terrifying
Even if you beat her, you still lose. Classic Cynthia.
I’m excited for the people playing through Sinnoh for the first time with Gen 8 to see what a Champion really should be
Those kids are screwed
Straight up facts
OOF. Poor Leon!
I remember seeing a reddit post about that. A mom who grew up with Pokemon commented on how her son cried in happiness when he finally beat Cynthia for the first time after days of failing.
@@Xman34washere unfortunately no if they choose the easy way (spamming battle items)
15 years later, Cynthia is still giving people fits. I had to spam items just to beat her. It was crazy. I felt like a kid again.
Only good thing about BdSP besides having pokemon walk with u
i won against her at my 3rd try, the first 2 ones i got to the garchomp and got destroyed, so 3rd trie i bought 50 revives 50 max potions and 50 super and just sat there for 30 mins like i did when i was younger
The Pokémon games should have challenging champions, that’s why I like Cynthia and Blue. All the other champions with one types are eh.
@@StarmannHD First try i swept through all of them besides milo and gar which i just tricked the ai into using earthquake on a staraptor
and getting the intim off
The only reason I could beat her was my Raichu toughed it out “so I wouldn’t be sad” multiple times so I could revive half my team back to strength 😭
I'm so glad I'm not the only person who had a ton of trouble with her in BDSP. She was always difficult in the OG games, but omg the addition of Fairy may have made her harder
Actually, the held items are what made her harder
@@duythuc1515 all her mons also have competitive EVs and IVs giving them higher stats than any other NPC. AI as well, one of the only trainers who actually switches.
@@duythuc1515 nah he's right, people would think fairies would make her easier but her team is now using everything in the game to kill every thing strong against her Garchomp
@@koolgamers6763 her Mona had competitor IV’s in Diamond as well
@@raheemramsey6718 Lisa?
Imagine if garchomp used the same "power of friendship" gimmick as our Pokémon. How fd would we be?
That would be a great battle, they should’ve added that festure
Not at al cuz she's EZ
Imagine if she could revive her pokemons
“Cynthia’s Lv 66 Garchomp with the activated Swords Dance and maxed speed toughed it out so that she wouldn’t feel sad!”
My twice max-revived Lv 70 Garchomp and the rest of my KO-ed team: Screams in pure terror
@@elleipsisX who lets it get up sd to begin with?
I literally panic when Cynthia’s Garchomp took out my Togekiss with poison jab and I was like “since when?”
Since BDSP I think. 🤔
SAME!! 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah its one of Garchomps new moves in this game because they wanted to see people suffer
i thought it was since gen 7 btw this is Cynthia showing mercy because Garchomp has access to the move iron head which counters both ice and fairy mons
@@lucygirl1111 yeah it technically could be worse lol I was expecting her re-match team Chomp to have Iron Head honestly... just to make real impossible.
Cynthia can heal. She just uses those in the low yellow HP or at red HP
She also seems to save 1 full restore specifically for Garchomp much to my absolute horror.
@@SharkyMcSnarkface oh lord I got to her garchomp and only had one Pokémon left. I tried to use dragon claw on her garchomp which could’ve one shotted her, but she one shotted me first 😡😡😡😂
Cynthia be like: "Call an Ambulance, but not for me!" *Pulls out Rough Skin*
To anyone reading this struggling against Cynthia, level up in the big chamber underground from celestic town. There is a guy down there that will heal you and mime, houndoom and girafarig give an actual good amount of experience.
The Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Of course. *stocks up on Senzu beans and Manga* See you in a week. *closes the door.*
yo actually thank u. she’s wooping me so i wanna train some new pokemon to put on my team and i just kept going thru the elite four and losing to farm exp bc the underground wasnt doing much for me
Combine that with a lucky egg.
XP wise that's fine but you really wanna be grinding EVs if you can at that point and for that it's the old couple on route 212. The man for attck EVs and the woman for sp attack. Basically they both only give 1 or 2 points respectively but they give so much money, wiht the amulet coin I think it's like 16k per rematch at that point so just do like 5 battles and buy like 8 calciums or proteins or whatever or even carbos for speed that's just the main priority there especially if you haven't been using the pokemon for a long time like if you catch one of the lake spirits just for the elite four which is a really good strat
I was having such a hard time with her, I was able to take her team out reasonably well but as soon as that garchomp comes out it would wipe my whole team. But Gengars Destiny bond saved my butt.
I remember the only reason I beat her in Platinum one playthrough was by relying on my gengar's curse and my mamoswine's ice shard... and a LOT of revives.
“ If she has 2 heals I think we are screwed”
*SHE HAS 5*
WHAT
Sooo, basically, she held back.
She almost made me fail my nuzlocke. I was definitely caught off-guard when her Garchomp poison jabbed my Azumarill. If not for max friendship shenanigans it would have died. On back-to-back turns!
I went into Cynthia in my nuzlocke with only 4 Mons left. Amazingly I only lost 1 to her (Chimecho), and finished with a Lucario, Crobat and Gyarados. Her Milotic was a proper obstacle for me, since only Chimecho with Shock Wave could deal super effective damage
@@EvilSnowVO That Flame Orb Milotic is a real wall man lol.... my first time challenging her it took me forever to make it past that Milotic... only for Garchomp to then fucking sweep my entire squad lol
@@KS-xk2so Roserade completely counters her Milotic. Leech seed + giga drain + leftovers/black sludge + high spdef means not even Milotic’s ice beam can threaten you
@@coqui9879 Yeah I went Turtwig on my first playthrough, so no Roserade for me.... plus I already had my own Milotic and Garchomp... can't copy Cynthia's squad too much haha
@@KS-xk2so lol nice! I chose infernape so I could have a good fire-type and used gyarados as my water-type. I ended up only needing 3 Pokémon for Cynthia. Roserade handled spiritomb/gastrodon/Milotic, gyarados set up dragon dances and swept the rest, and I used bronzong to set up light screen/reflect for support
I like how in a relatively equal fight, most people only get by thanks to the "Your Pokemon has a random chance to survive!" mechanic (which I don't actually like, but also it's whatever)
It’s not really equal. She has competitively built Pokémon at a point in the game where you don’t really have the tools to make your own
She has a competitively built team whilst most people have Pokémon with random natures, I’d say the affection actually makes it more fair.
@@cantdestroyher7245 eh, two things:
1. Cynthia is infamous - everyone knows her line up. 99% of the reason for her reputation is because of the novel experience of the playerbase who fought against her for the first time when DPPT came out, nobody knew what Pokemon she used because she never showed up until the Champion fight. WTF were Spiritomb and Garchomp? Because of her infamy, people can absolutely prep teams whose primary focus is to counter hers - the competitive edge of her Pokemon is supposed to keep that in check. When people say things like 'oh she wasn't that hard, I just used counters to her team' - well, DUH, you knew what her line up was and already had 90% of the battle in your favor.
2. You are not limited by item usage, withdrawal tactics, baiting her AI, and just plain overleveling your Pokemon. The favor is almost always on our side.
She's not impossible to eat - her battle just means using your brains for once instead of going hurr durr flamethrower 30x.
@cainyourkids sure you can cheese with x items etc. or the right build or just use gyarados. My point was about the game's progression and balancing more than the battle itself.
Better game design would've given you the tools to build a comparable team to hers somewhat easily, rather than just give you cheese.
Ah yes, it's good to see that the new generation can also enjoy the PTSD-inducing experience that is Cynthia and her brilliant Pianist.
Naming Mismagius Widow's Wine is such a perfect nickname.
As a huge gen 4 fan I was well aware of how strong she is, and what her team is, so I built my team around what would beat hers, and it still took me 2 attempts. I literally hard countered her and she still beat me the first time.
“There it is, big daddy Garchomp!”
Garchomp: Female
Big Momma Garchomp 💪🏼
@@312348 You only get to call her momma if she likes you.
Garchomp doesn't like you. She wants SUFFERING.
Chibi Dawn turned Cynthia into a Chibi.
*AND SHE’S NOW EVEN FUCKING SCARIER.*
Cynthia: You're coming down with me!
Thats literally what she said lol she said we both dying 😂 a queen
i was op for the entire game and I had to use a hail strategy for her Garchomp. I kept reviving my Abomasnow so that its ability could create a hailstorm, then revive all my pokemons as the Garchomp one-shotted them. eventually it died. I feel so ashamed to have won this way
But at least you made some REAL STRATEGY to win the game, NOT JUST spamming overpowered moves just to win with Cynthia.
I did the same thing, man. The exact same fucking thing
I feel you, but at least you thought of a viable strategy. In my case my Gardevoir traced its Rough Skin and managed to chip away at its HP to about a third - it was completely unintended and I’d originally wanted a Ralts with Synchronise instead because nostalgia (that was what I had in Sapphire version). In the end I survived because friendship - my Lv 70 Garchomp - my only mon left - managed to avoid her dragon claw, which had one-shotted me the first two times. I didn’t even have time to set up Swords Dance, so am pretty sure it wouldn’t have KO-ed with Dragon Claw if it weren’t for Traced Rough Skin. I won but the feeling sucked, it wasn’t an honourable win imo.
I defeated Cynthia back in Platinum by relying on gengar's curse and mamoswine's ice shard, along with a LOT of revives. I felt ashamed to have won like that too, it felt like I'd cheated since NPC's can't revive their pokemon. Oh well.
Cynthia was always a pain. I purposely got a Steelix early on just because I wanted something that could tank a hit from her Garchomp and slow it down with rock tomb and have affection for some added lucky dodges
why rock tomb? bulldoze? you dont check bulbapedia ?
So you choose a Pokémon weak to ground to counter her garchomp??
That was just too much thinking, good thinking, but too many free turns for Cynthia with swapping Pokemon
It's crazy how any peoples Cynthia battles (mine included) seem to end with Avalanche double KOs. Like dude its ridiculous at this point.
The only reason I had an easy time with Cynthia is because I used 2 full restores and an x speed on my Tortera so that I could get off a couple swords dances and a stealth rock before sweeping her.
@@gancyr3D Man, I went through like 7 revives and got lucky because I got an extra one off on a turn she used swords dance.
My Mew double KOd with her Garchomp and I won the battle because I a mon in the back.
I won the battle, but by NO means did I beat Cynthia.
I did ice beam on empoleon
@@gancyr3D I set up Calm Minds and used an X-Speed as well on my Gardevoir to sweep her team. Even with a couple Calm Minds and a Modest Natured Gardevoir, her Milotic and Gastrodon tanked a hit. Everything else got one shot.
Nah man I used a Dazzling Gleam Manaphy to beat her
7:20 I think that's why they gave Garchomp "Rough skin" ability... to by pass the "by the power of friendship survive" mechanic
Cynthia sees your Power of Friendship and raises you Martyrdom!
they had us in the first half with the avalanche, until rough skin struck again lol. When you finally did win it's damn lucky it was a special attack so rough skin didn't activate
Been playing since gen 1 and it’s been a LONG time since I’ve dealt with this much trouble from a champion battle. I bought SP and caught hell from the Cynthia battle; but I at least had a more suitable team. I ended up with BD for Christmas so naturally I opted to play through with a completely different team (that I still thought was suitable for Cynthia)…after so many resets it got so bad I had to eventually just take the L and start from the beginning because my team was just flat out NOT READY. I thought it was bad the first time but she humbled me this time around
I swept her entire team with Chimecho by setting up calm minds on Gastrodon.
Chimecho proceeded to take out Roserade, Milotic, and Lucario, who are all special attackers.
Chimecho then survived on one health against Garchomp through the power of friendship, leading to my victory.
That my friend is known as The Perfect Battle. Doesn't get better than that
lol this the first time I seen someone actually post their loss nice try tho
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Here's another one
I posted my loss against Cynthia too but it was from Pokémon black version,not in brilliant Diamond
Against cynthia, only losses will be posted since no one will win anyway without revives or heals.
@@solvelazri8896 Pokemon black and white Cynthia is extremely terrifying
@@jivraj2110 not really I have a video on my channel where I beat Cynthia without items,healing,or reviving
Literally the same God damn thing happened to me. I thought a I had squeaked out the win and then rough skin popped up and I was ded. Cynthia just built different
Always has being
So you technically beat Cynthia but lost due to no pokemon left... Huh.
Cynthia had more Pokémon left that's why it worked
@@what.are.you.doing.stepbro The Garchomp was the last Pokémon, as indicated by the standby HUD during the turns w/ Garchomp out.
(Edit: As well as Cynthia saying her dialogue (she hasn’t been backed into a corner like this in a long time) when she’s down to one Pokémon.)
@@melodywawichi802 oh maybe. I forgot its not an online battle and u can't play with all of ur Pokémon fainted at once
@@what.are.you.doing.stepbro garchomp is hard coded in bdsp to come out last
@@abitofsupport601 not always last
Smith: OH YES OH YES WE WIN
Cynthia: *Hold my Beer*
I remember in previous generations, I would start the Cynthia battle with a Luxray, and once it took out her Spiritomb, she would immediately bring in Garchomp for her second Pokemon. I actually prefer that order, since nothing was harder than Garchomp.
Wouldn’t the AI bring out Gastrodon rather than Garchomp in response to an electric type Mon? Not really sure though
@@rainerohneai If this person is playing in Platinum, Garchomp is the only Ground type
@@elpirataretro8734 oh damn you’re right, Cynthia doesn’t use Gastrodon in Platinum
Didn’t even think about that
As a kid I never managed to defeat Cynthia so when I did it on BDSP it was a huge achievement for me
Managed first time too which shook me
Congrats kid
I just used Confuse Ray on the Garchomp and prayed to the RNG gods. Took me 2 tries to beat her.
That ending was flawless
Honestly, a LOT of all this dificulty wouldn't be there if he had ice fang instead of avalanche.
ice fang deal less damage lol 65, avalanche do double power (120) if pokemon hurts in the same turn, assuming garchomp attack
@@richard35791 Ice fang wouldn't be a negative priority move, also: Chance to etheir Freeze or Paralize > Extra damage
@@jeanluca2002 chance to freeze like that means you rely on luck, well garchomp is so speedy i dont even bother try to attack first
@@richard35791 Pokémon games are not balanced on Nuzlockes, 0 itens chalanges and other stuff the players came up whit, they are balanced assuming the player will use all the tolls at their dispossal, so realisticaly the only to beat them is though luck.
@@jeanluca2002 well as tank style player instead of sweeper, just my opinion i dont give a fuck about speed, just max defense (power of frienship favor glasscanon sweeper pokemon and i hate it)
Cynthia's been the greatest challenge in all of my time playing Pokemon. Never have I had to EV train a Pokemon before the post game in series, and it's all because of her Garchomp. That nightmare managed to decimate Pokemon *FIVE LEVELS HIGHER* than herself with ease because of her Jolly nature (-SP ATK +SPD), and max EVs in Attack and Speed.
After three defeats and three days, I trained my own Garchomp named Azrael. He was an Impish Nature (-SP ATK +DEF), with EVs heavily put into Attack and Speed, but with 50 points in both defenses. He was two levels lower than Cynthia's Garchomp, and I know Azrael can't outspeed it. My only hope is for him to take a Dragon Claw to the face as he does the same. With both dragons slashing through each other, only one was able to stay standing with HP to spare. That one Dragon Claw had did the trick and defeated the nightmare that was Cynthia's Garchomp.
I lost to Cynthia at least a dozen times. I finally had to teach my tentacruel Thief to remove the fire orb off of Milotic. That thing was just too bulky for my team. Still nearly lost and I used hella potions.
Heeeyy I used a similar strat, just with an ursaring! Boosted guts and allowed me to one shot the lucario on the swap in. ^-^ But yeah I agree, even without it, that milotic is a friggin nightmare.
No cap graveler with sturdy was lowkey so meta for this elite 4, guaranteed damage and a kamikaze option in explosion saved my ass at a couple points.
Came down to a 1v1 Golem vs Garchomp here for me.
Did you just put "No cap" & "Lowkey" in the same sentence, I thought you were memeing on the first one but now I'm not too sure
Get a golem bud
@@ItsYuhBoyyyy *Get friend
Sad thing is he said she doesn't heal well let me tell you something she can and it's bullshit I been stuck on Cynthia for 3 days but I beat her and I yelled so loud out of happiness
I got pretty lucky with defeating her tbh. I wiped out the pokemon she had before Garchomp and managed to take it out with a very lucky fissure, one-hit KO'ing it.
Dude I kept reviving my Kricketune over and over hoping Id get a friendship survive so I could perish song. Then, she went for Swords Dance, so i was able to just keep reviving one pokemon until it fainted.
@@thedeadice6121 Oh hell yeah.
I didn't struggle with her in the remakes like I did when I was a kid, but I still adore this battle and I'm happy they made her tougher. I wish every game had a challenge mode like Black/White 2 does with good AI, EVs, and items. It'd be so much fun.
LOL, didn't even know avalanche was considered contact move.
Same thing happened to me the first time, lol. I was able to cancel out the Swords Dance and even bring Garchomp’s attack down to like minus 3 by intimidating it with Luxray and Staraptor back and forth… in the end Staraptor was my last Pokemon and I killed Garchomp with Giga Impact, but its rough skin brought me down with it. I can honestly say it’s the first time something like that had happened to me, and also the first time I’ve ever struggled against a champion. I’ve been playing Pokémon since Gen 1, and not once have I ever had my entire team eliminated. Even Cynthia herself back in Gen 4 wasn’t anywhere near this difficult.
Switching into Masmagius was such a massive mistake. If it hadn’t been knocked out he he would have won.
No he wouldn't, Garchomp wasn't at -1 yet, so he would have definitely killed Gyarados and outspeed Mismagius
@@epsilon795 i feel like he would have had a a way better chance at mismagius surviving a dragon claw and getting a trick room off. The reason being that they were similar level, and garchomp had his default attack stat. the only problem with that would be that mismagius has horrible defence, but I still think she would have survived one hit
@@Neptune_171 Either way he was kind of screwed there. Basically just praying for a friendship save. Which did proc but still didnt quite save him since he used a physical move like avalanche.
I think the whole team wasn't properly raised or thought out. I only use Torterra, Mismagius, & 2 pickup mons while last 2 slots were use as lvl up fill ins for Pokedex. I didn't even start using Mismagius until I'd reach Iron Island for ev training thru double battles to have decent Defense & Speed before stuffing it with Calcium. I use it to sweep Cynthia's whole team as she has no ghost resist and Spiritomb would spam sucker punch while setting 4x calm mind & it tanked a dragon claw while OHKO Garchomp with Dazzling Gleam.
Managed to first try no items, this being the strat that won
Turn 1
Kicketune uses sticky web
Spiritomb uses dark pulse ~70%
Turn 2
Switch rampardos
Spiritomb uses dark pulse ~60%
Turn 3
Rampardos uses Head smash (100% damage, ~40% recoil)
Both die
Switch in toxicroak and rosrade
Turn 4
Toxicroak uses Poison jab ~80%
Rosrade uses Shadow ball ~45%
Turn 5
Tocicroak uses Poison jab ~20% kills
Switch in milotic
Turn 6
Toxicroak uses toxic
Milotic uses scale heals ~25%
Turn 7
Switch to spiritomb
Milotic uses mirror coat (fails)
Milotic takes toxic damage
Turn 8
Milotic uses scald (missed due to affection, didnt acc matter)
Spiritomb uses curse
Milotic takes toxic and curse damage (down to ~45%)
Turn 9
Switch to toxicroak
Uses scald heals up to full
Takes lethal toxic and curse damage
Switches in gastrodon
Turn 10
Switch to torterra
Gastrodon uses earthquake (missed to to affection)
Turn 11
Torterra uses wood hammer (100%damage, 30% recoil)
Switches in lucario
Turn 12
Lucario uses flash cannon ~60%
Torterra uses earthquake (100% damage)
Switches in garchomp
Turn 13
Garchomp uses dragon claw ~10% kills
Switch in bibarel
Turn 14
Garchomp uses swords dance
Bibarel uses ice beam (procs yache, ~30%, freezes but shouldnt matter)
Turn 15
Garchomp is frozen
Bibarel uses ice beam ~60%
Turn 16
Cynthia uses full restore
Bibarel uses ice beam ~60%
Turn 17
Garchomp uses earthquake (+2 ignored by unaware, ~95%)
Bibarel uses ice beam (~40%, kills)
The friendship misses dont matter as spiritomb isnt used for the rest of the fight, and lives one scald, so it would kill itself with curse but that’s fine, and toxicroak always beats lucario as it draib punches to full and lives one flash canon, also outspeeding due to webs. Lastly the freeze doesnt matter as i meant to put choice specs on bibarel (you get them in celestic town) but i forgot, that would mean she earthquakes the turn she spends frozen, still doesnt kill, and ice beam then does kill it.
Kricketune is super good in this game just cause of sticky web.
GG! :)
@@smithplayspokemon pure staraptor luxray intimidate and then floatzel finished it with icebeam and aquajet
ill do you one better: technician scizzor used swords dance thrice an repeatedly used bullet punch/rock smash
I've got a story to tell you. Out of all the elite fours I've had to deal with, more accurately, this version of DP, has been the most pain in the butt. Never before have I ever had so much trouble with a rival or a champion. But geeze the leveling system in this game is monstrous
That ending is the saddest thing I’ve seen in a while. F
I had heard about the problems people were having with her so I wanted to be prepared, I gave all my Pokémon good held items and I wanted to have ice shard on my mamoswine since something told me I would probably need it, I scrounged around the underground for like 30 minutes trying to get a heart scale, and lo and behold, ice shard is what got me the win lol
I really appreciate that you didn't use max revive, so we could truly see the potencial of Cinthia as Champion. Great match!!
all my homies hate sturdy
True
Sorry bit of a rant here to the 'Cynthia is so easy crowd', just need to say this.
It's pokemon first of all, it's designed to be accessible to children, which means it is not typically ever going to be intentionally as hard as say a souls-like.
Honestly you can stall her out in most cases just by typings or abilities (i.e. cycling a fairy and electric type to burn pp on garchomp, a gastrodon or pokemon with dryskin easily stalls milotic but limiting it to icebeam and recovery, etc, etc). And I see more than a few people go 'she's so easy, just stall her out using
Shout out to juice for being a unit lol
I actually just fought her today and I was so close to losing. She was on her garchomp and I had only one Pokémon left and she kept using earthquake. I luckily had 11 revives and I kept reviving Pokémon until her earthquake ran out and than I one shot her garchomp with dialgas roar of the time. It was my second attempt and it was really scary I thought I’d have to start over
I made the mistake of thinking I could go first and only had one Pokémon left. She went first and killed me. I should have revived my team
Yea me too. I used alot of revives and I waited for her to run out off earthquake and then i started attacking her.
I fought her so many times and when I finally beat her it was due to extreme luck. It was my Garchomp vs her Garchomp and I was lucky enough to survive the first hit by a single hp and land a bulldoze slowing her Garchomp down. When I beat her I was the happiest man alive
That ending was superb!
I was already ready for her and I was underleveled took 1 try lol I just snatched up a togekiss and reminded her what she dropped 😂
she gets it back in her rematch
Cynthia played the best 4D Chess move ever the Rough Skin Garchomp
She definitely killed me a couple times 😂. I used a blissey thinking I had it then eathquake garchomp ended me
7:28
She outsmarted your outsmarting
Yeah cynthia is definitely smart she counters all my pokemon
Each pokemon is basically designed to whittle down her counters to Garchomp.
I had to spam revives till she struggled lol
I had to spam Max and Hyperpotions until her Garchomps Dragonclaw and Earthquake moves were gone leaving it with the poison attack. Don't like that I had to do that but I had a Rhydon to evolve and I was going to get that protector to make him Rhyperior damn it...
Dude same. I swept the elite 4 and and didn't have a single Pokemon KO'd. The her swept my entire team which were all about lvl 65. I thought my Crobat could pull off a quick hit but Chomp was still faster.
I Took out without healing items and affection by building a competitive team and it was still hard
Wtf is that ending????? I’d be so mad
That literally happened to me. I had Infernape at 1 hp with +3 attack and he used the friendship boost to survive an earthquake and take no damage and one shot it just to die to rough skin. I was so tired after fighting her for hours I got so mad.
How to beat BDSP Cynthia easy every time tested in two nuzlockes (I swept her and the league first try both times) you need:
Specially defensive Gyarados with substitute, dragon dance, Waterfall, Crunch and holding leftovers (you can get it in the grand underground)
Clefable/Blissey with flash or Specially defensive Roserade with leech seed, stun spore and holding a papaya berry (the psychic berry)
Step 1: use either a ton of flashes or set up leech seed on Spiritomb, follow with Stun Spore if using Roserade
Step 2: switch in Gyarados
Step 3: alternate between Dragon Dance and substitute as needed until +6
Step 4: murder by fish
no fuss no muss no items, (though Milotic takes two hits)
For extra curbstompage, set up stealth rock and light screen using Clefable/ Blissey.
Wait I thought I’d never see the day of TSP playing Pokémon what a day man glad your enjoying it 👌
I’ll be honest, I accidentally won 2nd try because I was training my team on the elite 4, reached Cynthia and was like “she’s gonna sweep me” but then within 3 turns I got 2 crits and KO’d two of her Pokémon. Milotic was the most difficult one because it’s pretty beefy, and her Lucario has a lot of coverage, but I pulled it off.
I sobbed when mid credits the game said “error, application turning off”
I’m not sure what happened for me, I led with mismagius against her spiritomb, it kept spamming sucker punch so I went +5 calm mind and then murdered her team with psychic, shadow ball and dazzling gleam
Bro I FELT the emotional whiplash when you collapsed out of your chair.
That’s one of the toughest crobats if I ever seen one 🦍💪🏾
7:23 that scream legit startled me.
My first time going against her I ended up using the cheapest strategy of swapping togekiss and empoloeon so her garchomp runs out of moves
So you had to legit PP stall to win? Jesus! They really certified her as the strongest Champion with this. God forbid he learns about the rematch teams for her AND the league because these guys don't fuck around.
@@joshcooper467 bruh I just waltz threw the E4 not that hard
Bruh it’s legit not that hard lmao
@@TheGostboy7 good for you.
Never felt such anxiety battling her lol
His mistake was how many times he swapped, your just giving her free turns, she just whittled his team down...plus forgetting about garchomp's main ability was kinda on him
That’s my point like he made this fight harder than it needed to be
@@TheGostboy7 exactly he didn't need to switch as often as he did
@@RedRumRose106 he’s playing like she’s real
Never played the original of this generation but was genuinely impressed a champion could be a challenge. Cynthia made me genuinely frustrated and took multiple tries to defeat.
I beat her in the most bs way. I had a crazy amount of max potions and revives. I struggle a bit to get through her team but had a decent amount of my team left getting to Garchomp and then obviously it starts one shotting everyone until I'm left with just my Onix, who I had forgotten about it's sturdy ability. I would then use every single turn just using max potion while Garchomp just uses every single move it had until it had nothing left to attack with besides sword dance. Then I revived my whole team and finished off her then literally defenseless Garchomp.
Flashbacks to Gen 4 forced me to breed an Ice Punch Weavile and keep it on my team specifically to deal with Cynthia's Garchomp. However I nearly got a heart attack when I discovered it now held a Yache Berry. I was able to KO anyway when for some reason it Swords Danced after the first hit...
Her team is really strong.
It took me like half a day to beat her with my team
I saved before her.
The problem was that I did'nt wanna give up and start all over again😅
She is so freaking strong if you don't have a strategy😅🤣
She is the third champion what do you expect
DRAW...
Cynthia: i don't know what a draw is, so im just going to take the win
I lost in this exact way, my last pokemon was mamo and she crit me at -3, i lived on 3 and one shot her with avalanche even with yache. i can't believe throwing snow is considered "making contact"
I can confidently say my nuzlocke might end with cynthia. I'm trying to level my pokemon up and all I have for her garchomp is my froslass and blissey. Both of which I have set up more for set ups with hail, Aurora veil and stealth rock minimize. I had a garchomp I was training with max evs for speed and attack. But he died to volkner
I used metal sound with sturdy magnezone so I could oneshot with empoleons icebeam. Without revive shenanigans I don't think I wouldve won.
That last 2 sentences killed me 💀
How the hell a garchomp dies to a electric type gym leader lol
Cynthia: Fairy Type exists now.
**a smile slowly creeps up on her face**
Lmao even in Gen 4 on Ds I remember Cynthia was hard as f to defeat
And yet her DP team was nothing compared to BDSP Cynthia. Crazy amiright?
Huh, today I learned that the "Toughed it out" can trigger when already at one HP. Neat!
Bro this actually happened to me. I had one Pokémon left. I had luxray and he was 1 hp. But I used crunch and killed her garchomp and luxray took damage to rough skin and died. I was so mad
i had literally the exact same gyaradoes avalanche rough skin scenario happen to me lmao was so crushed, set mode cynthia is scary as fuck
Luckily when I battled Cynthia her Garchomp came out early. My team was Empoleon, Jirachi, Roserade, Luxray, Staraptor, & Gyarados. I barely won the battle but I got in the Hall of Fame on the first shot. Best battle of the game!
That's weird. I thought the game was programmed for always use Garchomo last
@@kidamra6219 it was like the third one
I had to spam revives to defeat her. She eventually lost because she couldn't spam earthquake and recover.
Why didn’t this guy just make his life easier by having more fairy type moves on his team?
Edit: that plot twist ending was HILARIOUS
the garchomp knows poison jab so its not like it would help him that much
@@critaquil5011 I said fairy type move though, not Pokémon lol
Honestly i only won because i lead a light screen thunder wave luxray and then switched into a garchomp who i spammed swords dance on and wiped out the rest of her team, with the exception of her garchomp who outsped and one hit my garchomp. Then i literally had to toxic stall it with crobat as it wiped out the rest of my team.
Beat her without affection and items without losing once But I freaking bred a competitive team through my friend trading ne the competitive items it was still Hard
Without affection seems a bit out there. It always show an affection atleast once in a battle right?
@@neeraj3434 It was used against lucian
@@neeraj3434 when I was alsacking a mon against lucian
@@neeraj3434 not necessarily. It's random I guess
@@_tm.b_3532 Yeah but the Cynthia battle is long enough for an affection situation imo
I had no idea how tough they'd made Cynthia this time. My first time challenging her, Garchomp swept like 5 of my team and kicked my ass hard. Then I looked into it, prepped, gained some levels, went in ready.... and this exact thing happened to me, my last pokemon held on, knocked out her Garchomp, then lost to chip damage from Rough Skin lol fuck was I mad.
So happy to see this. I must say, to finally have an NPC trainer who can beat HGSS Red is incredible. I hope the Gen 5 remakes do the same thing with Alder, but please, let us turn off EXP share
HGSS Red was a cakewalk. Cynthia in every game she is in is a nightmare.
bruh I wouldn’t be against ILCA making the Gen 5 remakes. I honestly really like BDSP a lot more than Let’s Go and SWSH. I’ve been addicted to it despite being done with the story. If they’re involved in Gen 5 remakes, they better make the N fight as difficult and memorable as when I fought him as a child 😭
Ooof Account I am wholly against the idea. ILCA is a mobile game studio: they shouldn’t be making and butchering Pokémon games. They must find another, better studio.
@@queenoof69 I got Let's go evee and BD for Christmas and as soon as I found out I couldn't battle wild Pokemon I dropped the game and the only thing that was used for was getting Mew in BD 😅
YOOO I DIDNT KNOW YOU PLAYED POKEMON, I remember watching you do ee on cod lol