_Lucrehulk_-class Droid Control Ship, fighting just 2 Acclamators in Republic Commando (one not even in a fully operational state): "Am I a joke to you?"
Acclamators are there in EaW, but they don't have anything to do with troop landings What Eck is talking about in this vid goes beyond the mechanics of EaW
I've seen a comic or two where acclamator looking ships being called star frigates. Slap some more turbolasers, a few more pd lasers n take away the majority of troop capacity, and you have a fast attack frigate.
Anti-Orbital Cannon in Empire At War: *BadabingbadaBOOM* Also Star Wars: Chad Acclamator duo, RAS _Prosecutor_ and RAS _Arrestor_ in Republic Commando: *lol they have a Lucrehulk how cute*
Because why do that when you can pointlessly send shieldless high speed fighters in to pointlessly die? Just goes along with the stupidity of the empire that came with almost limitless resources and no regulations
I'm pretty sure its because seismic charges were a rule of cool weapon and like most things in star wars, the implications of such a powerful weapon were not considered until after the film had been released
I wonder what types of weapons would be illegal in the Star Wars universe, like how chemical warfare or intentionally targeting cultural monuments in our world is illegal.
So true lol wave after wave of exploding Acclamators -.-' more of a nuisance in EAW and EAW:FOC. Remember in Republic Commando when a barely functioning _Acclamator_-class (the RAS Prosecutor) and a reinforcing _Acclamator_-class (the RAS _Arrestor_ ) called to the stricken ship's position, took on and _defeated_ a _Lucrehulk_-class Battleship? That game
Okay so because my nerd senses were tingling about what I said about the Lucrehulk-class, I did remember there were multiple versions. The refitted Battleship version is more heavily armed than the one which the pair of _Acclamator_-class fought off in Republic Commando. The one they beat was a Droid Control Ship version. starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lucrehulk-class_Droid_Control_Ship Though note that in canon rather than legends, there isn't much of a distinction and it's just called the _Lucrehulk_-class Battleship anyway -.- oh the joys of the intricate contradictions of Star Wars lore. If it moves like a battleship, looks like a battleship, shoots like a battleship and technically is a battleship, it is a battleship. The Droid Control Ship thing is meh. Still a big old unit with big old guns.
@@MobiusLeader007 Interesting. Well, I think that it's not entirely out of the question. Stranger things have happened in real naval history (see Thomas Cochrane on HMS _Speedy_ a tiny brig of the Royal Navy, apparently not up to much tactically - then Cochrane manages to capture over 53 ships with her and take on warships twice her own size lol finally cornered and forced to surrender by 3 frigates each individually capable of blowing her out of the water -.- and that wasn't the last they saw of him) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Speedy_(1782)
I completely agree the acclimator would have filled the lack of heavy transports that the empire was lacking, complemented with the Gozanti class cruisers to take vehicles to areas that the acclimator could not and the empire would have had an effective way to take planets.
IRampagingRhin 0 The problem is the Acclamator needed to land in order to deploy its troop complement effectively, and such capability just wasn’t needed. In Republic service, if it couldn’t land, it relied on LAAT gunships for troop deployment, and would’ve been no faster than an Imperial or especially Venator class in that regard. When the Empire conquered as much by bombardment as landing an invasion force, there’s no point in a dedicated fleet of landing ships.
To be fair, the empire had a heavy transport. It was the ISD. The ISD for some god forsaken reason is a CV, line ship and transport all at the same time. Now for the most part two out of three of those can work fairly well together. CV + Line ship is a line ship bringing it's own fighter cover. CV + transport is, well, it's a separatist Lucrehulk. Bringing a metric crapton of fighters. It's lineship + transport which is just a very silly idea.
The empire seriously shouldve kept using more Clone Wars era ships like the Venator and the Acclamator because: 1 - both are combat proven, effective strategies and tactics have already been developed because of the CW 2 - theres an already existing supply chain, making any repairs, refits, and the creation of new ones much cheaper 3 - theres a f*ckton of them already leftover from the war, and when the Imperial navy inherits the Republic navy, its basically free 4 - the venator wouldnt really fit well with the Tarkin Doctrine, true, but for the role of a peacekeeping & suppression force (basically empire already had most of galaxy, its military was aimed toward subjugating it), there arent anymore big naval threats in the galaxy except maybe the Mon Cala. Even so, against rebels, venators would be a much cheaper and leads to my next point 5 - ISDs are too f*cking overkill. It was made for the Clone Wars, where theres a proper enemy to fight, and not against rebels and insurgents that can hide in deep space or just keep hyperspace jumping away from you 6 - yes the Acclamators were always good troop transports, and during the CW it was demoted from a ship-of-the-line into a massive troop transport, which was fine because the Venator was the better brawler overall. But the Empire turning those heavily armed and armored troop transport into just cargo liners? Very sad to see indeed, especially how the empire relies on massive troop deployments when it can and the use of AT-ATs and other Imperial assets 7 - the empire had a general lack of good ships, and the good ships they had were either too massive or too specialized, and they were supposed to be the workhorse? CW era ships relied more on general use ships and for this role, the empire seriously shouldve kept them especially how the ISDs are terrible against starfighters and roles other than direct ship-to-ship fighting
The Empire was never outfitted to adequately fight the Rebel Alliance. They basically had no reason to do so. This is because the RA was not a large militarily competitive force. They were a ragtag bunch of, correctly described, terrorists/guerrilla Fighters. It is much like the US military, constantly gearing up for WW2 to fight ISIS. It would make more sense to develop powered armor to deal with this. Anyway, as a tool for general troop deployment and mobility, dumping on a planet that is out of control or rebelling, the Acclamator class makes perfect sense. having a healthy number of these ships available would make assailing heavily fortified Rebel and otherwise criminal strongholds much easier. "The right tool for the job." ""If all you have is a Hammer, every job better be a nail."
@@TheEDFLegacy If Empire at War is anything to go by (and I know it probably shouldn't be by this point), the Empire did still have Acclamators in service, but used them in a sort of frigate / light carrier role to launch TIE Fighters instead of transport ground forces.
I agree the Acclamators were awesome ships. I love how the Republic during the Clone Wars TV show used the Acclamators as said cargo/transports, my only complaint is they basically disarmed them in that show. I haven’t seen any of the Acclamators fighting, just sitting there like deer in the headlights. But in all other aspects I agree the Empire should have used the Acclamators for the ground troops. Quite a few things in canon would have changed if this had happened.
Yeah that's one thing that bugs me about the Acclamator's design, they're all very standardized when in reality large landing operations benefit from even further specialization among landing craft. Normandy didn't just have cargo, tank, and troop transports, but also thinks like LCFs to provide close-in AA cover until the beach was secure, and LCGs to give closer artillery support until the tanks could off-load and AA was cleared for light spotter planes to call in the bigger guns. An Acclamator dedicated primarily to fire-support is one version that's always been lacking.
@@TerLokiThe Republic probably didn't want to spend money on outfitting certain Acclamators with fire support capabilities, they were spending enough money on training and outfitting their regular infantry without refitting even a select few Acclamators with fire support capabilities. As expensive as it was to make them, there was still a massive number of Clones and replacements waiting to be sent into the field, so perhaps casualties during a landing were not of particular concern, and they also probably thought that the LAAT gunships were as much fire support as clones needed
@CT-75-8305 I agree they were used too rarely in space battles, but in episode 2 season 3 of CW, the battle of Kamino happens. In a brief shot we can see an acclamator fighting in a blockade with the venators.
I've always loved the Acclamator by design, and used to live in one in Space Engineers online. Theres just something about its very simple but relatively small design that I really like.
I miss the Republic Commandos man. I hope they might get sth standalone, movie game idc. The old game was so good. Their appearance in BF2 is appreciated but not enough.
Easily one of my favorite Clone Wars ship. Ive wrote a bunch of fanfiction stories years ago about my Mandalorian clan who took security contracts from the Empire (following the Clonewars) and one of the forms of payment was that the empire give them Acclimators to use as mobile bases allowing them to be flexible in patrolling the outer rim. The empire was more than happy to get rid of them once they started moving to the Tarkin failure... i mean Doctrine, and my dudes made good use of them. You could easily put a few thousand people on them (to live or train), they could land planet side to drop of people to mine, fight or build. They were crazy flexible in the capabilities. Not only as mobile bases, but I had my guys modify them to add a Starship trooper drop pod systems to allow quick jetpack assualts and such. I had a ton of fun with them.
I think there was a 2 scenes from the Dark Horse line of Star Wars Comics where the Empire is using Acclamators. One is on a scene at the Battle of Hoth, the other is with Janek Subner leading a planetary invasion
Back when i watched the clone wars i always thought that the venator must be super powerful compared to the star destroyer and i wondered why the empire replaced them. After all, the venator won way more battles than the star destroyers ever did. The star destroyers were always made fun of and blown up in movies and the tv shows. But then i realized that the venators had clones and jedi in them. As opposed to the 99 cent store version of clones.
The Clone Wars was always inconsistent with the power of Venators. Even though it was shown in Rots that the Venator could broadside a Providence class dreadnought 1 on 1 and win, they have shown time and time again that small groups of the weaker and smaller munificent class could whoop them. Armament and shield wise though, the ISD's are by far the superior ship.
GimmieTheJimmie GimmieTheJimmie Wouldnt a broadside with a carrier based craft be a pointless endeavour? The fighters are supposed to be your weaponry, the carrier is just a vessel to move and house them and to protect crew. It feels just a little unfair to compare what is supposed to be a carrier based ship to one with a more broad utilization in the department of armaments, as they are both going for different things. It's like saying a battleship is better than an aircraft carrier because it has bigger guns.
@@bradenculver7457 I mean, they used the Venators for direct broadsides in Rots and in numerous battles in the clone wars, which means they used it as a combination of carrier and warship. I understand though that it would be wiser to rely on starfighters & bombers in a hypothetical battle between the two, but purely in the aspect of ship to ship potential the Venator stands no chance.
@@GimmieTheJimmie the only ways a Munificent has some chance against a venator is when the venator is in front of the Munificent because that heavy turbolasers are good and if the venator is in a position like Aayla Secura's Venator in the clone wars tv show in the episode where they ended up on that neutral planet.If we are talking about a broadside the venator is the winner and in most scenarios a venator would prevail against a Munificent.
The Acclamator is a very useful and versatile ship, and that's part of why I love it so much. It's basically the LST (Landing Ship, Tank) of the Republic military: It can carry troops, vehicles, and cargo all directly into battle on unimproved beachheads. It has its own weaponry for self-defense and in some cases even assist with shore bombardment. Heck some LSTs (particularly the Mk. 2 and 3 versions) could even be fitted with light aircraft which they could launch and retrieve for use in advanced recon and artillery spotting roles. There's a reason why the Allies built over 1200 of these ships, and those reasons are all magnified by the even more flexible Acclamator.
It's always interesting to listen to Star Wars lore fans try and explain anything from ships, vehicles or tactics actually make any remote sense rather than just explained by the rule of cool. So I do appreciate this channel for being generally much better at being realistic at the assessments.
To me the best empire fleet comp would be using the ISD1&2, the Venator over the Secutor, smaller ships like the Lancer, Pelta, and Acclimator 2. Two main big ship to ship vehicles, three venators for air superiority, and about half a dozen to 10 split up between the smaller support ships, even maybe a gozanti or two. Overall the total number of crew would be less than the average number of the fleets of four to seven ISD’s. (This doesn’t even mention the Arquitens which is probably the best ship to fight the rebels since it can outclass those corellian frigates easily as well as having point defense against the snubfighters)
They did keep using them in the EU, but for planetary bombardment (the Acclamator II-class) or refitted the old ones for logistics (i.e. they got turned into cargo carriers).
Fleet set up based on what I take from your videos: ISD for the forward advance in a fleet set up and short range fighter support, supported by Interdictors and Lancers. Lucrehulk for blockades and position holding, backed up by Acclimators for the actual planetary assault. TIE Defenders used to augment larger forces of Interceptors.
According to 'current'/prequel trilogy-revised cannon, the Empire DID retain many Acclamators and Venators although, as larger and more robust 'frontline' Star Destroyers were developed (Victory, Imperial etc.), the Acclamators and Venators lost their own frontline viability. This was especially true as rebel-supporting groups developed larger cruisers of their own (e.g. Mon Calamari) in the hopes of countering the later generation Imperial ships. The Acclamator, never a ship-fighting ship to begin with apart from limited anti-starfighter batteries, and Venator continued to serve behind the frontline, still able to perform as military cargo haulers (Acclamator) and vessels with the substantial hangar capacity needed to transport scores of subsonic TIE fighters between their production centers and outlying Imperial bases (Venator). Their reduced strategic role, however, saw many Acclamators and Venators of the Imperial Navy declared surplus - these either being scavenged as 'parts vessels' to extend the lives of the remaining Imperial examples or demilitarized and sold off to pro-Imperial civilian interests.
If I remember correctly in Legends/EU, the empire did retain acclimators for troop transport. I recall them being used for such in one of the comics. I could be wrong though.
not a fan of the Imperials being idiots. The Imperial Star Destroyer should not be apart of the "Tarkin doctrine" but should be a ship developed based on the Clone wars era warfare. That way the Rebels doctrine is not based on the Empire being idiots but that the Imperial Military is built on Clone Wars combat of ship to ship combat, planetary assault and Planetary control. Imperial I and II class are both excellent ships in this regard- ISDs would have been Great in the Clone Wars in ship to ship combat and planet assault. Rebels built their Hit and Run tactics to work around the Empire's strengths- thats why they never stood up and fought but ran and hid since the Empire was good at crushing known resistance and subduing planets but not finding and catching smugglers. Empire would be more relatable that way since "fighting the last war" is a common problem that plagues real life militaries.
Think of how many more TIEs could be carried by an ISD or a Victory if they moved out all those huge vehicles like AT-ATs, SPMAs, Juggernauts, and Lambda shuttles. It's stated that both ships can carry more fighters, but they're forced to also carry the Empire's ground forces due to doctrine. If the Empire prefers to use ISDs and Victories as both battleships and troop transports, they should've build more Gladiators exclusively for TIE support.
Fractal Sponge’s model work is just spectacular. He autta get a check from Disney for such incredible passion projects like this just to keep the work coming from him. Love to see it and can’t get enough of his ship aesthetics
To be fair TCW is very inconsistent when it comes to firepower. In the Geonosis battle, LAATs are hit by the same flak cannon and are able to crash. Even though a Nantex fighter destroyed Anakin's LAAT with a few blaster hits in AotC.
@@MobiusLeader007 Oh I know I totally agree with that because I always thought that as well. They played pretty fast and loose with the logical continuity and consistency of the story. For instance, they'll have Dooku get humiliated by _Hondo_ and then have him make an absolute mockery of Ventress and the Nightsisters even though he is drugged and fighting blind the entire time save for "seeing" them through the force. Sure Dooku _should_ kick their backsides though even in that the showrunners just had to go and have them seem to force him to rely on force powers to end the fight (which I always thought was a bit off) He was clearly strong enough to cut the pirates to pieces, surrounded or not. If that were Vader? They'd all be dead. Dooku would do the same to them he just would. Then again that show did have Gungans bring down Grievous. I was like aight I'mma head out when I first saw that lol They wouldn't do that though because they want to have character driven stories and keep fan favourites around and plot armour them up to survive anything. Dooku can draw Yoda. He wouldn't be scared of pirates.
@@ThePalaeontologist Gungans are actually a warrior race. Do not try to dimish them because of Jar Jar. Also their weapons are most EMP based, which is particularly effective against a cyborg like Grievous.
I actually like the new canon's use of multipurpose Gozanti's for the purpose of landing large numbers of walkers. I could definitely see the Acclamator serving as the primary battlewagon for large formations of the Imperial Army.
They shouldve just kept a venator or two at the back of a battlegroup for their 400-800+ starfighters, and an acclamator for the troop transport capabilities, have an ISD a victory and some Arquitens crusiers for the firepower and some lancers as anti fighter and boom, powerful specialized strike fleets, on the larger ones have 2 to 3 times what i mentioned with a Interdictor and the rebels wouldve been toast, the empire very much so had the available funding for this and if the venator is too much, add a modified Carrier/Acclamator or a few Quasars instead, u still have the big bruisers and scary ships whilst keeping the distinct wedged theme and u have a lot of support for ur main ships
they could have made the Acclamators better by making them modular, can add more weapons, some of its troops areas as hangers for figthers, it could be a quite modular ship, i love fractal sponges version
I once heard that - in legends - there was a vessel based on the Acclamator called the Imperial-II class frigate. It was the same frame with modifications for side hangar entrances, modern weapons and ISD style bridge tower.
They're designed similarly but the Imp-II is 400 meters shorter than an Acclamator and more of a niece ship than a proper sister or successor. starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_II-class_frigate
Honestly that makes a lot of sense, and also it can act as a sort of smaller, lighter ship of the line that can be sent quickly to hot zones across the Galaxy, since I'm guessing it requires less crew and is probably a bit faster as as well
The empire actually did use acclamators they actually had a variant of it that served the same purpose as the clone wars one. In fact several of them were used to offload troops and vehicles during the hoth campaign.
I don't think the Empire really had a need for a ship with this role, all I could really maybe agree with was the two examples you provided with Hoth (Which was really less effective due to poor tactical planning, and Acclamators had the risk of being disabled by the ion cannon) and the Jedi Praxium. The republic needed these because they were in a galaxy wide conflict where armies of clones needed to be mobilized on the go, whereas the majority of the Empire is really just peacetime occupation with numerous minuscule insurrections. There weren't too many battles or engagements in the GCW that required mass deployments of infantry, and even still ISDs perform the role of troop carrier well enough. Additionally, while ISD's are laughable at engaging small fleets of rebel fighters, the Acclamator would be even more so, with an addition of an even larger amount of troops lost if it's destroyed.
@@silentdrew7636 Don't get me wrong, I know for a fact that there were numerous insurrections and rebellions under Imperial rule; Mimban is a good example, but many seem to have been relatively small in scale, making mass deployments a little unnecessary, especially since star destroyers and planet garrisons seem to already be enough to police systems in conflict.
@midgetydeath depends on when you look at. That certainly applies10-20 years before Yavin, with Yavin serving as the turning point where the Rebels become a serious force in the Galaxy, including unifying many of those disparate forces under a single banner. By the year leading to Endor, the empire simply couldn't keep up with rebel attacks. Throughout all of that, however, large-scale troop transports weren't really needed that often.
As a troop carrier these ships would make sense but in other videos on this channel its been shown in the shift of tactics the empire had adapted or switched to after the fall of the Republic. They went from a mass of numbers superiority to a superiority in size which included guns... republic tactics pre empire were more precision based. With smaller fighting forces and an army that wasn't easily supplemented with re-enforcements or new troops they had to be more sparing and careful with their use. Where as the empire shifted gears... bigger ships, regular people instead of clones for their main fighting forces, not a fighter to fighter fight as much as it was a massive city sized ship overwhelming an entire planet just by showing up... there were cases of counter offenses that were effective against the star destroyers yes, but those were costly and not very often utilized outside a well funded group/government (planetary shielding for example). The best weapons of star destroyers was its presence striking fear into all, seconded by its guns which could and did at times raze planetary bodies. They preferred a pilots clean view of the battle then the nitty gritty dirt in your eye of the stormtroopers who were generaly themselves disdained by the officer corps of the empire itself. So was it a useful ship the empire could have utilized more of? Sure. But it didn't fit with the empires traditional doctrine of combat superiority and preferred tactics. Officers like thrawn would have seen its potential and utilized it better, however he himself did tend to prefer more surgical tactics then a mass invasion of forces on a ground ausault.
I think you are missing an important factor. Most of the times the empire doctrine is so blamed because relaying just on ISDs.. but from my point of view that was the way to go at the times the empire was ruling the galaxy. Aclamator is an excelent ship but is made for war. For planning massive invasions, masive movements of troops etc Is not a ship for the empire times where you need a Ship that is capable of everything and to stand alone against any situation. A ship that works as a comand ship, a carrier for fighters, a carrier for troops, a cargo ship, a big platform for anti ship weapons with suficient autonomy to work alone and without any suport ship. because you may need to elimine some pirats, intercept some ship who wants to scape for whatever reason, give escort for any kind of subject, a politic, a military operation on the planet, eliminate any kind of small hidden rebelion grop on a planet like a resistance group very underpowered compare to the empire (like resistance on the WWII etc and they may need some peace operations as well like a medical suplie etc They need a ship to control and support a system..... oh whait wich ship is capable of that... Oh!! the ISD!! So you need an ISD not a big troop transport. Of course an ISD operating alone has some weaknesses and a coordinated attack of a small rebel fleet with big numbers on fighters can plann an ambush but dont forguet even teorically inferior 72 tie fighters are a lot of tie fighters and even the X wing can be superior, ties are faster and more manoubrable so the X wings can not disengage that ease if they have to go for one tie and he has two on the tail because superior numbers. I know the example from WWII even the germans with superior fighters they could not face 5-1 they builded time for the attackers to the bombers because they were able to outclimb anything but one they made the first attack they were so overnumbered that they had to disengage or die and the X wings has no capability of disengaging !!! THAT IS THE MANDATORY RULE of fighter combat!! a superior fighter is the one that can engage and disengage from a combat so he can dictate the combat!! So i will never understand why the Ties are a worse fighter being faster and more manoubrable. They look like the japanesse zeros very manoubrable but weak but zeros were not fast planes!! they were slower so that is why the americans learned how to fight them with sluguish but much faster planes! So a 72 tie fighters are a big treath to any kind of force except a very big attack and well planed ambush on an ISD But what I can not hold is that a fleet of ISDs are still weak against fighter attacks and every batle on sw ends with all ISDs destroyed but the rebel fighters anyone who has study a little bit the WWII and knows how the task force worked knows that was not that easy for the fighters to get the big ships and the carriers. Yes a standing ship is no match alone with just the AAA and no fighters but a task force made screens of flack that were extremelly difficult to pass. Even like that a massive attack could go trought and get some ship but when escorted by fighters the thing changes and fighers are the best barrier not suport AAA ships. And on SW they allways throw the Ties alone on suicide attacks like idiots because of plot armor. And the rebel big ships just hold the attack. Ok that mon cal shields are good but cmon. a fleet of dedicatet antiship Destroyers... they just need to focus them one by one to overwelm the Unpenetrable plot mon calamari shields... I would not blame empire doctrine of fleet. That was the correct one the problem are not the ships are the plot armor. And if they would have the fleet as you said the escorts would be shit as well or the comander a moron to win the rebels so...
While I agree with what you said, I feel I need to point out that tie pilots are not highly skilled. Xwing pilots had higher survivability because of shields and had hyper drives, where ties were fragile and needed to land to travel out of a system. True, quantity is a quality of its own, but rebel doctrine counted on hit and run and needed the better capable fighters. I'd have to check the essential guide to warfare (it's been too long since I read up on it) but I think ties where not faster than xwings and only more maneuverable outside atmosphere where those wings didn't hinder them.
@@RamielNagisa I agree with your Ties are equal in speed but a bit more maneuverable. Wedge himself in either Rogue Squadron 1 or 2that tie starfighters, not interceptors, are about equal with the x-wing. And he also said that tie pilots are to a point worse but only because they have no shields and as such they can't take as many hits.
@@RamielNagisa On the new Hope Vader catches the Xwings on straight line on the trench and he had two tie escorts so the ties are capable to keep up with the vaders X1 so I guess the X1 still can run more. Yes, ties have no hyper drive and are weak but for being weak you need to shot at them. and for that you need to take their six. As you said hit and run were the tactic. If you analice wich fighter used this tactic on the WWII you have perfect example. Fw190 a plane that was capable of taking damage, faster than anyone big armament and easy to handle but sluguish at slow turning dogfights. They were dominant using hit and run BUT when a new ally plane apeared wich was faster the 190 could not upgrade his engine and he died as a figher and was relegated to ground attack. I could not find any example where a slow plane dominated faster planes. Zero was dominant at the beguining being a little bit slower than widcats but they were so manoubrable and the widcats a truck and once they figured out how to use hit and run, the things were equal because they were not faster by much. If the pilots are the problem then the problem is not the ship doctrine, is the pilot program. And that makes no sense because at peace time pilot are much well trained than at war time where you have loses and you need more pilots with less time to train them. The only thing maybe is the X wings pilots are not better trained but they have more combat experience and that is what makes de difference on skill.
I’ve been thinking about this for a while now. And I agree that the acclamator would have excelled in the empires fleet. I also thought a good way to link all the trilogy’s for ep 9 would have been a Star destroyer fleet consisting of every main type or destroyer from the republic to the first order.
I think landing a capital ship is a very different thing from moving troops laterally along the planet's surface into battle after they've already landed. The whole point of the AT-AT was that they could be much more heavily armored than an aerial transport, and that they could be deployed without establishing aerial superiority before moving in, and a big ol' honking ship close up to the Hoth base slowly landing would be dead meat for all those gun emplacements. If their battle plans could be improved by delivering troops by air rather than by land, they could've just dropped in Lambda shuttles from orbit instead. Of course, a bigger reason is that in the 70s, (or really, in the 50s from the war movies that Lucas was drawing from) people hadn't really caught on to the idea of helicopters zooming in and delivering troops while providing fire support. The whole narrative is about big imposing tanks steadily moving in while the rebels can only finagle something together to delay, not even defeat, the incoming force.
the problem is that aclimators were mainly for landing large groups of troops. as you said before the empire wasnt fighting a war it was simply maintaining control so a ship specifically for this purpose wouldn't be used very often. with this in mind it would just be more convieniant to use existing ships like the star destroyer
@EckhartsLadder Believe it or not in Star Wars Legends the Acclamator was seen being in use by the Kaarenth Dissension or as it was called later the "Restored Empire" where their fleets were comprised of older mothballed Republic and Imperial ships like the Acclamator and Victory-class and Venator-class Star Destroyers to note a few which isn't that far fetched considering the "Restored Empire's" base was an old Clone Wars Era Military Base. The "Restored Empire" was led by Ennix Devian - one of the Emperor's Hitmen.
Great video as always, however there is one point I'd like to discuss. The Acclamator was definitely one of the best troop transports but it served the Republic better than it would have served the Empire because of each faction's circumstances. The Republic needed a reliable transport that could ferry clones to various battlegrounds to fight in the war against the CIS. However, this was not the case with the Empire because since they weren't actively fighting a war on the scale of the Republic, they just needed a policing force, and I feel that the ISD does a better job of this than the Acclamator would. While the Empire did fight in battles against the Rebellion, or battles on Kashyyyk, Geonosis, or with Luke's Praxeum, the Acclamator would have just been overkill compared to the ISD's versatile role as a carrier and capital ship.
Acclamator makes a lot of sense for the Rebellion/Alliance. For use as a mobile fleet base for fighter support. Wouldn’t be a front line, but support. With just it’s size, can service an entire motor pool and fighter repair.
It probably had to do with the Tarkin Doctrine's emphasis on blasting ground targets from space rather than landing troops. The entire point of the ground assault on Hoth was that the umbrella shield over Echo Base was strong enough to withstand bombardment from the star destroyers, but it did not cover the entire planet. So landing troops in order to bring it down was necessary. The Imperial philosophy was to try to develop greater firepower to punch through shields. Hence the Death Stars and later the star destroyer variants from the sequels. The destruction of Alderaan, a Core World, was a testament to the Empire's willingness to destroy even valuable planets if it fit their plans. Plus, later stormtroopers were a LOT less effective in combat than the earlier clonetroopers.
I mean, across the whole galaxy there were probably hundreds of campaigns that relied on landing troops using Acclamators that we never see, probably in the first decade of the Empire establishing itself. The main films were mainly about space battles anyway though obviously made 30 years before the first time we see accalmators.
I've had the same thoughts about the Acclamator, and I wholeheartedly agree. It would make total sense for the Empire to keep the Acclamator throughout its reign. Even in a non-combat role, these things would be extremely useful. Just one could quickly transport thousands of troops and dozens of walkers from one system to another, land on the surface, and in a matter of minutes unload them. It would be a far cheaper and less time-consuming alternative to ferrying troops squads at a time via shuttle. It's the perfect ship the Empire could use to quickly "deploy the garrison!" I like to think the Imperials kept the Acclamator and did continue to use them, even with their god awful command towers.
I’m not up to date on canon, but in legends acclamators were actually used to some extent at the battle of Hoth, they dropped off most of the troops and Juggernauts, where as the YT-85 titan dropship dropped off the ATAT. Again in legends but still, and in the Biggs Darklighter graphic novel Biggs and Hobby served and defected from the ship they were station on the Rand Ecliptic, that was an acclamator as well. And it was mostly a space faring role. So at least in legends the Empire made decent use of it in both senses. I agree with you, personally I also this if the Empire kept the Venator they could have give up half the fighter/carrying capacity in exchange for 3-4x the fire power, the venator could still then carry as much as the ISD, and it would have a beam weapon. But you know that’s my point of view.
In legends they used it and make even successors with the mark ll and mark lll. The Acclamator was used as a slave ship. They used it to move large groups of slaves. The Acclamator mark ll and mark lll have less storage areas but they get more and upgraded guns.
Also maybe if the tie reaper ( seen during the battle of Scarif)was taken into mass production the Empire’s ground attacks / defenses would’ve greatly improved, also it can be taken to space unlike the gunship and I think it has reasonable space for troops
I guessed acclamators before you said it. I agree with you. The amount of ships they could have turned out would have been far more than what they did with the SD1. The acclamator could have been a great regional ship to patrol and be the first alert to the empire and hold a line until reinforcements came. The empire never did a proper fleet like modern navy's have. You could have a SD1 with 3 acclamators, maybe an interdictor or two, and several drop ships and quasars for a battle fleet. Use the acclamators that are patrolling the region call in the fleet and try to lock down orbital flight movements and minimally engage the rebels to keep them focused on the ground efforts. When the fleet gets there you can overwhelm the rebellion. Far simpler
another thing about the Acclamator it could be used as a planetary base I.E command and control, barracks and vehicle hanger not just in the initial landing but think about the fact that using an Acclamator would mean no need to build a base which during the clone wars where most CIS bases were made to support droids this fact meant saving on a tonne of material and time.
If the Acclimator was modular, it would be an awesome ship. It looks to have a lot of useable surface space both along its dorsal and ventral areas for guns. With its atmospheric flight abilities, it could act as a heavy gunship to control whole swaths of territory.
you could modify the acclamator to hold lots of fighters, then add tie fighter docking arms on the ventral side so you can double the fighter complement
The Acclamator would not only have been great at planetary assaults, but it would have been a great platform for use as an assault and heavy escort frigate. In that role, it could have traded space for troops for star fighters instead.
I think the Quasar Class Light Carrier is probably one of the best overall ship designs ever in Star Wars. It is a cheap, simple, mass-producable, reasonably sized, but very versatile ship, and all those different roles it can fill would be useful roles. It's the kind of ship a Galactic Empire should be deploying by the ten thousands.
The Acclamator is the assault ship of Star Wars. And just like assault ships, the Acclamator lends itself well to being refitted as a lightning carrier. As a basic hull, the Acclamator has already seen up-gunned versions and it has been hinted that some may have been converted alongside Venators into starfighter training vessels. So what is to stop the Empire from refitting existing Acclamators into escort carriers of some description? While perhaps not best suited for work in Imperial battle groups, an Acclamtor in this refit would serve well as a convoy escort, providing a crucial fighter screen in addition to the usual assortment of corvettes and light cruisers which may be escorting convoys along the usual merchant lanes.
I think the Venetor is the best keeper for the Empire. Its exists in large numbers and would have been perfect for regional and planetary control that would free up a lot of SDs for fleet activity. And they could be put to good use in those cases where the enemy does not have the resources to motivate the use of an SD. Id like to think that sending a couple of Venetors to help the fight on Lothal during Rebel Season one would have been a perfect boost up for the empire there. And thus the soldiers of the empire - Both the clones and the stormtroopers would have been used to live and use them for combat. Johan.
When playing the pentastar alignment acclamators are usually the backbone of my fleets. Cheap enough you can throw a wave of them at a validusia in groups they can do tons of damage
The Rebel Alliance should’ve built 2 Acclamators for every 1 MC80. In fact there was Acclamators in Imperial junkyards and on planets wrecked beyond repair but had useable parts. They could’ve been refitted as Medical Ships and treat 16k patients at one time; fighter carriers carrying 144 A-Wings in their hold and frontline ships raiding supply lines.
The ISD is a great platform, and could easily excell in a generalist role with the addition of a robust point defense system and an upgrade to TIE defenders or even interceptors. Perfect. One size fits all. If the empire had built their ISD fleet on this model, they would be unstoppable. Especially if they used their death Star money to increase the size of this fleet.
i think they were viable and good (for their role) ships, and especially in EaW i absolutely loved them for their whole and being on the Prosecutor in SW:RC is still one of my favourite parts of that game as well, simply feels awesome
I really like the idea of an Acclamator refit to replace all its hangar space with redundant shielding and power generation and more guns and use it as a lighter Tector class
The rebels operated in small groups, there was barly any time, where a large amount of groundforces was needed. The Empire just needed to blockade the space so the rebels couldnt run. If you look at the cost to operate enough Acclamators for that it would be too expensive in every way, The empire just could have used more carracks that swapped out their turbo lasers for point defence / laser canons. They are a good match for blockade runners, their Ion canons can desable corvettes, transports, help against frigattes and the empire would have huge numbers of faster and cheaper anti fighter escords. It would also fit more into the empires doctrine.
Venators fully filled with TIEs would be the ultimate fleet carrier. As for the Acclamator, for a combat refit in the imperial era Id upgrade its power plant, then replace its cmone wars weapons with the quad barbettes from the ISD2, with each turret spread out for coverage. One on nose of the ships dorsal/ventral hull, then four more on the main hull, both dorsal and ventral lined up with the bridge, maybe one more pair on rhe too/bottom of the rearmost quarter of the ship.
The Empires didn't just have Acclaimators lying around, they were using them. Infact, they even went as far as to create the Mk II variants as well that could perform Delta Base Zero.
You spoke of the shortcomings of the venator which I agree with but I would love to see a in depthredesign of it to be more balanced and functional in Capital to capital combat. It’s tidal of a carrier warship mix is a facade. The cis had a ship that better fits this tidal in the form of the providence
It is basically worthy of being Dedicated Troop Transports. Maybe refit it's armaments and use more powerful point defence to fend off the rebel fighters and bombers that would inevitably be sent after them, and there you go, decent second line support ships. The main problem might be how antiquated the hull design might be by the end of the Galactic Civil War. But these things are a lot better than GR-75's. Remember in Republic Commando when a barely functioning _Acclamator_-class (the RAS _Prosecutor_ ) and a reinforcing _Acclamator_-class (the RAS _Arrestor_ ) called to the stricken ship's position, took on and defeated a _Lucrehulk_-class Droid Control Ship (pretty comparable to the Battleship version)? That game
Decades from now, when the OT gets its inevitable reboot, I hope to see a remastered Battle of Hoth where AT-ATs & Juggernauts get hot-dropped into battle by a fleet of Acclamators, with some providing aerial support / artillery fire while others land their forces and setup FOBs.
Instead of incorperating them into existing fleets and task forces the Acclamators could have been kept at centralised army/navy bases and dispatched via FTL communications. Because of the much faster hyperdrive on an Acclamator than a ISD (class 0.6 compared to class 2) they should be able to bring down a powerful ground element to any battle space pretty quickly.
I say keep (and upgrade) both the Acclamator and Venator as support ships to the ISD, make better fighters, and use other small and flexible ships to support ISDs. Some I can think of off the top of my head: Carrack, Lancer, Raider, Arquitens.
Honestly, they kept the cruiser and I think it was a good move. Small, needed mass production (way more than star destroyers) and was quite balanced with enough fire power, infantry complement and small hanger in some variants to deal with small insurgence and provide all around support.
This is the best place to post this comment, I know this sounds crazy but please here me out. So there’s the Tector class star destroyer which is an ISD with no hangar but more guns. What if you took an Venator and did the same thing, you would get so much more space for guns and shields if all or most of the hangar was removed. And one of the bigges weaknesses of the ship, the large hangar doors are also removed.
The Aclimator would present a singular big target for the enemy though. As opposed to the dozens of smaller targets they would otherwise had with dropships
EckhartsLadder: "The Empire should have used Acclamators!"
Empire at War: "Am I a joke to you?"
But in empire at war we see now acclamators landing troops.
_Lucrehulk_-class Droid Control Ship, fighting just 2 Acclamators in Republic Commando (one not even in a fully operational state): "Am I a joke to you?"
That was a game, not canon.
@@anzaca1 So was Republic Commando and that isn't canon anymore but Delta Squad now is.
Anzac-A1 it was, and it is canon in legends
STILL should've kept Venators, as Escorts for SDs.
But also this.
Venators are weak, their towers are huge weaknesses.
@@kenneth9452 retrofit to put the towers on their sides just a bit lower. Star Destroyer bridges are weak too
Venators with an overwhelming amount of tie fighters.
I mean yeah they could've modify it
Rensune Agree
Eckharts: “Not the Venator.”
Venator: *Sad Ship Noises*
I'm just better
Officers: “Men, our objective is to capture and hold the capital of such and such planet”
Eck: “Ok, I’m going to commit orbital bombardment”
I've read your comment in the voice of the briefing from TIE FIGHTER with the music in my mind as well.
indeed
Or I'm gonna spend most of the resources of the planet trying to capture it (Mimban)
@@vizprave6721 that's where acclamators would shine
@@internetman- how?
The ONE Republic ship the Empire should've kept.
Me: Hello vanilla Empire at War?
Im hella confused to
Adrian XenoRay play the game. Don’t ask questions. You need to experience this for yourself.
@@QixTheDS most people replace (including me) the acclamators with victory-2 class ships the second we got the BP for them
Acclamators are there in EaW, but they don't have anything to do with troop landings
What Eck is talking about in this vid goes beyond the mechanics of EaW
I've seen a comic or two where acclamator looking ships being called star frigates. Slap some more turbolasers, a few more pd lasers n take away the majority of troop capacity, and you have a fast attack frigate.
“Master Sifo-Dyas requested the most powerful army in the galaxy. We have worked with only the best shipbuilders to fulfill that request.”
-Lama Su
Anti-Orbital Cannon in Empire At War: *BadabingbadaBOOM*
Also Star Wars:
Chad Acclamator duo, RAS _Prosecutor_ and RAS _Arrestor_ in Republic Commando: *lol they have a Lucrehulk how cute*
@@ThePalaeontologist "DAR TOMEEEEEEE DARA SUM TOMEEEEEEEEE"
@@Trigger003 ....err wut
@@Trigger003 Fifth Element maybe
@@ThePalaeontologist He started singing one of the warchants in Star Wars: Republic Commando
Why were seismic charges not used more?They are able to destroy asteroids so would they work in space battles or do shields negate them? #askeck
Because why do that when you can pointlessly send shieldless high speed fighters in to pointlessly die? Just goes along with the stupidity of the empire that came with almost limitless resources and no regulations
If you have a gravity well ship you can just throw planet killer asteroids at the enemy. Yes they will stil be your enemy but without a planet..?
I'm pretty sure its because seismic charges were a rule of cool weapon and like most things in star wars, the implications of such a powerful weapon were not considered until after the film had been released
@@jetbricksstudios5530 gotta farm those Dark Side points some how.
I wonder what types of weapons would be illegal in the Star Wars universe, like how chemical warfare or intentionally targeting cultural monuments in our world is illegal.
In Empire at War, they did by keeping it as a pathetic frigate.
So true lol wave after wave of exploding Acclamators -.-' more of a nuisance in EAW and EAW:FOC. Remember in Republic Commando when a barely functioning _Acclamator_-class (the RAS Prosecutor) and a reinforcing _Acclamator_-class (the RAS _Arrestor_ ) called to the stricken ship's position, took on and _defeated_ a _Lucrehulk_-class Battleship? That game
Okay so because my nerd senses were tingling about what I said about the Lucrehulk-class, I did remember there were multiple versions. The refitted Battleship version is more heavily armed than the one which the pair of _Acclamator_-class fought off in Republic Commando.
The one they beat was a Droid Control Ship version.
starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lucrehulk-class_Droid_Control_Ship
Though note that in canon rather than legends, there isn't much of a distinction and it's just called the _Lucrehulk_-class Battleship anyway -.- oh the joys of the intricate contradictions of Star Wars lore. If it moves like a battleship, looks like a battleship, shoots like a battleship and technically is a battleship, it is a battleship. The Droid Control Ship thing is meh. Still a big old unit with big old guns.
@@ThePalaeontologist In the Republic comic series, two Acclamators with some Dreadnought cruisers chased off two Core Ships as well.
@@MobiusLeader007 Interesting. Well, I think that it's not entirely out of the question. Stranger things have happened in real naval history (see Thomas Cochrane on HMS _Speedy_ a tiny brig of the Royal Navy, apparently not up to much tactically - then Cochrane manages to capture over 53 ships with her and take on warships twice her own size lol finally cornered and forced to surrender by 3 frigates each individually capable of blowing her out of the water -.- and that wasn't the last they saw of him)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Speedy_(1782)
Acclamator spam should never EVER be underestimated
I completely agree the acclimator would have filled the lack of heavy transports that the empire was lacking, complemented with the Gozanti class cruisers to take vehicles to areas that the acclimator could not and the empire would have had an effective way to take planets.
IRampagingRhin 0 The problem is the Acclamator needed to land in order to deploy its troop complement effectively, and such capability just wasn’t needed. In Republic service, if it couldn’t land, it relied on LAAT gunships for troop deployment, and would’ve been no faster than an Imperial or especially Venator class in that regard. When the Empire conquered as much by bombardment as landing an invasion force, there’s no point in a dedicated fleet of landing ships.
To be fair, the empire had a heavy transport. It was the ISD. The ISD for some god forsaken reason is a CV, line ship and transport all at the same time. Now for the most part two out of three of those can work fairly well together. CV + Line ship is a line ship bringing it's own fighter cover. CV + transport is, well, it's a separatist Lucrehulk. Bringing a metric crapton of fighters. It's lineship + transport which is just a very silly idea.
The Acclaimater is probably one of the most important ships in the Republic navy
The empire seriously shouldve kept using more Clone Wars era ships like the Venator and the Acclamator because:
1 - both are combat proven, effective strategies and tactics have already been developed because of the CW
2 - theres an already existing supply chain, making any repairs, refits, and the creation of new ones much cheaper
3 - theres a f*ckton of them already leftover from the war, and when the Imperial navy inherits the Republic navy, its basically free
4 - the venator wouldnt really fit well with the Tarkin Doctrine, true, but for the role of a peacekeeping & suppression force (basically empire already had most of galaxy, its military was aimed toward subjugating it), there arent anymore big naval threats in the galaxy except maybe the Mon Cala. Even so, against rebels, venators would be a much cheaper and leads to my next point
5 - ISDs are too f*cking overkill. It was made for the Clone Wars, where theres a proper enemy to fight, and not against rebels and insurgents that can hide in deep space or just keep hyperspace jumping away from you
6 - yes the Acclamators were always good troop transports, and during the CW it was demoted from a ship-of-the-line into a massive troop transport, which was fine because the Venator was the better brawler overall. But the Empire turning those heavily armed and armored troop transport into just cargo liners? Very sad to see indeed, especially how the empire relies on massive troop deployments when it can and the use of AT-ATs and other Imperial assets
7 - the empire had a general lack of good ships, and the good ships they had were either too massive or too specialized, and they were supposed to be the workhorse? CW era ships relied more on general use ships and for this role, the empire seriously shouldve kept them especially how the ISDs are terrible against starfighters and roles other than direct ship-to-ship fighting
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This relates to the acclamator how?
But the mega star destroyer should be sold seperatly😶
They did do somethings much better. The resurgent class Star Destroyer, not only upgraded but fixed problems the Imperial Star Destroyer had.
Noek Too Bad The People Who use it are idiots Hux is Bootleg Tarkin
The Empire was never outfitted to adequately fight the Rebel Alliance. They basically had no reason to do so. This is because the RA was not a large militarily competitive force. They were a ragtag bunch of, correctly described, terrorists/guerrilla Fighters. It is much like the US military, constantly gearing up for WW2 to fight ISIS. It would make more sense to develop powered armor to deal with this.
Anyway, as a tool for general troop deployment and mobility, dumping on a planet that is out of control or rebelling, the Acclamator class makes perfect sense. having a healthy number of these ships available would make assailing heavily fortified Rebel and otherwise criminal strongholds much easier.
"The right tool for the job."
""If all you have is a Hammer, every job better be a nail."
nicely said
Also, who says they DIDN'T have Acclamators is on standby? Perhaps they didn't find it necessary during Hoth?
@@TheEDFLegacy If Empire at War is anything to go by (and I know it probably shouldn't be by this point), the Empire did still have Acclamators in service, but used them in a sort of frigate / light carrier role to launch TIE Fighters instead of transport ground forces.
@@thomasp506 Probably. Not to mention likely kept in reserve in case of dire times where mass landings are required.
Constantly gearing up for WW2 to fight ISIS
I agree the Acclamators were awesome ships. I love how the Republic during the Clone Wars TV show used the Acclamators as said cargo/transports, my only complaint is they basically disarmed them in that show. I haven’t seen any of the Acclamators fighting, just sitting there like deer in the headlights. But in all other aspects I agree the Empire should have used the Acclamators for the ground troops. Quite a few things in canon would have changed if this had happened.
Yeah that's one thing that bugs me about the Acclamator's design, they're all very standardized when in reality large landing operations benefit from even further specialization among landing craft. Normandy didn't just have cargo, tank, and troop transports, but also thinks like LCFs to provide close-in AA cover until the beach was secure, and LCGs to give closer artillery support until the tanks could off-load and AA was cleared for light spotter planes to call in the bigger guns. An Acclamator dedicated primarily to fire-support is one version that's always been lacking.
@@TerLokiThe Republic probably didn't want to spend money on outfitting certain Acclamators with fire support capabilities, they were spending enough money on training and outfitting their regular infantry without refitting even a select few Acclamators with fire support capabilities. As expensive as it was to make them, there was still a massive number of Clones and replacements waiting to be sent into the field, so perhaps casualties during a landing were not of particular concern, and they also probably thought that the LAAT gunships were as much fire support as clones needed
@CT-75-8305 I agree they were used too rarely in space battles, but in episode 2 season 3 of CW, the battle of Kamino happens. In a brief shot we can see an acclamator fighting in a blockade with the venators.
I've always loved the Acclamator by design, and used to live in one in Space Engineers online. Theres just something about its very simple but relatively small design that I really like.
Last time I was this early, the channel was called Eckartsstepstool
They were troop transports indeed. It makes me sad that the Empire didn't use them to their full potential after the war.
Curse you Tarkin.
George Lucas didn't think of the acclamator when he first created the original trilogy
I miss the Republic Commandos man. I hope they might get sth standalone, movie game idc. The old game was so good. Their appearance in BF2 is appreciated but not enough.
Easily one of my favorite Clone Wars ship. Ive wrote a bunch of fanfiction stories years ago about my Mandalorian clan who took security contracts from the Empire (following the Clonewars) and one of the forms of payment was that the empire give them Acclimators to use as mobile bases allowing them to be flexible in patrolling the outer rim. The empire was more than happy to get rid of them once they started moving to the Tarkin failure... i mean Doctrine, and my dudes made good use of them. You could easily put a few thousand people on them (to live or train), they could land planet side to drop of people to mine, fight or build. They were crazy flexible in the capabilities. Not only as mobile bases, but I had my guys modify them to add a Starship trooper drop pod systems to allow quick jetpack assualts and such. I had a ton of fun with them.
I think there was a 2 scenes from the Dark Horse line of Star Wars Comics where the Empire is using Acclamators. One is on a scene at the Battle of Hoth, the other is with Janek Subner leading a planetary invasion
It's because of the Acclaimator's robust design and versatility that Hera Sindula chose one as her flagship.
I agree the acclamator could be a great addition, if used in the way you suggested.
Back when i watched the clone wars i always thought that the venator must be super powerful compared to the star destroyer and i wondered why the empire replaced them. After all, the venator won way more battles than the star destroyers ever did. The star destroyers were always made fun of and blown up in movies and the tv shows.
But then i realized that the venators had clones and jedi in them. As opposed to the 99 cent store version of clones.
And Sd's had no plot armor
The Clone Wars was always inconsistent with the power of Venators. Even though it was shown in Rots that the Venator could broadside a Providence class dreadnought 1 on 1 and win, they have shown time and time again that small groups of the weaker and smaller munificent class could whoop them. Armament and shield wise though, the ISD's are by far the superior ship.
GimmieTheJimmie GimmieTheJimmie Wouldnt a broadside with a carrier based craft be a pointless endeavour? The fighters are supposed to be your weaponry, the carrier is just a vessel to move and house them and to protect crew. It feels just a little unfair to compare what is supposed to be a carrier based ship to one with a more broad utilization in the department of armaments, as they are both going for different things. It's like saying a battleship is better than an aircraft carrier because it has bigger guns.
@@bradenculver7457 I mean, they used the Venators for direct broadsides in Rots and in numerous battles in the clone wars, which means they used it as a combination of carrier and warship. I understand though that it would be wiser to rely on starfighters & bombers in a hypothetical battle between the two, but purely in the aspect of ship to ship potential the Venator stands no chance.
@@GimmieTheJimmie the only ways a Munificent has some chance against a venator is when the venator is in front of the Munificent because that heavy turbolasers are good and if the venator is in a position like Aayla Secura's Venator in the clone wars tv show in the episode where they ended up on that neutral planet.If we are talking about a broadside the venator is the winner and in most scenarios a venator would prevail against a Munificent.
The Acclamator is a very useful and versatile ship, and that's part of why I love it so much. It's basically the LST (Landing Ship, Tank) of the Republic military: It can carry troops, vehicles, and cargo all directly into battle on unimproved beachheads. It has its own weaponry for self-defense and in some cases even assist with shore bombardment. Heck some LSTs (particularly the Mk. 2 and 3 versions) could even be fitted with light aircraft which they could launch and retrieve for use in advanced recon and artillery spotting roles. There's a reason why the Allies built over 1200 of these ships, and those reasons are all magnified by the even more flexible Acclamator.
Just add a few ion cannons and turbolasers.
It's always interesting to listen to Star Wars lore fans try and explain anything from ships, vehicles or tactics actually make any remote sense rather than just explained by the rule of cool.
So I do appreciate this channel for being generally much better at being realistic at the assessments.
Why does your into and outro music give me nostalgia. It's a weird feeling anyone else feel that?
@Angel Apolinar will doo thanks!
To me the best empire fleet comp would be using the ISD1&2, the Venator over the Secutor, smaller ships like the Lancer, Pelta, and Acclimator 2. Two main big ship to ship vehicles, three venators for air superiority, and about half a dozen to 10 split up between the smaller support ships, even maybe a gozanti or two. Overall the total number of crew would be less than the average number of the fleets of four to seven ISD’s. (This doesn’t even mention the Arquitens which is probably the best ship to fight the rebels since it can outclass those corellian frigates easily as well as having point defense against the snubfighters)
In the old Star Wars Visions graphic novel, a modified version of the Acclamator was actually used to deploy troops on Hoth.
Acclamators dropping AT-ATs and troop during Hoth would be an awesome scene
They did keep using them in the EU, but for planetary bombardment (the Acclamator II-class) or refitted the old ones for logistics (i.e. they got turned into cargo carriers).
Eckhart we need a video on what ships would be best for evacuating planets. Haven't heard of such video and I feel like its an unnoticed topic.
2:06 Didnt have a good design for corvettes, eh?
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Fleet set up based on what I take from your videos:
ISD for the forward advance in a fleet set up and short range fighter support, supported by Interdictors and Lancers. Lucrehulk for blockades and position holding, backed up by Acclimators for the actual planetary assault. TIE Defenders used to augment larger forces of Interceptors.
According to 'current'/prequel trilogy-revised cannon, the Empire DID retain many Acclamators and Venators although, as larger and more robust 'frontline' Star Destroyers were developed (Victory, Imperial etc.), the Acclamators and Venators lost their own frontline viability. This was especially true as rebel-supporting groups developed larger cruisers of their own (e.g. Mon Calamari) in the hopes of countering the later generation Imperial ships. The Acclamator, never a ship-fighting ship to begin with apart from limited anti-starfighter batteries, and Venator continued to serve behind the frontline, still able to perform as military cargo haulers (Acclamator) and vessels with the substantial hangar capacity needed to transport scores of subsonic TIE fighters between their production centers and outlying Imperial bases (Venator). Their reduced strategic role, however, saw many Acclamators and Venators of the Imperial Navy declared surplus - these either being scavenged as 'parts vessels' to extend the lives of the remaining Imperial examples or demilitarized and sold off to pro-Imperial civilian interests.
Actually, that would be simple to write into canon as we simply really haven't seen Imperial mass landings.
If I remember correctly in Legends/EU, the empire did retain acclimators for troop transport. I recall them being used for such in one of the comics. I could be wrong though.
The fact that this thing can land and carry living hell to any planet is crazy
I'm starting to suspect that Tarkin was a secret Rebel.
He was a screw up on the tactical level
Watch Rogue one and analyze his tactics at the Battle of Scarif
not a fan of the Imperials being idiots. The Imperial Star Destroyer should not be apart of the "Tarkin doctrine" but should be a ship developed based on the Clone wars era warfare. That way the Rebels doctrine is not based on the Empire being idiots but that the Imperial Military is built on Clone Wars combat of ship to ship combat, planetary assault and Planetary control. Imperial I and II class are both excellent ships in this regard- ISDs would have been Great in the Clone Wars in ship to ship combat and planet assault.
Rebels built their Hit and Run tactics to work around the Empire's strengths- thats why they never stood up and fought but ran and hid since the Empire was good at crushing known resistance and subduing planets but not finding and catching smugglers.
Empire would be more relatable that way since "fighting the last war" is a common problem that plagues real life militaries.
Think of how many more TIEs could be carried by an ISD or a Victory if they moved out all those huge vehicles like AT-ATs, SPMAs, Juggernauts, and Lambda shuttles. It's stated that both ships can carry more fighters, but they're forced to also carry the Empire's ground forces due to doctrine.
If the Empire prefers to use ISDs and Victories as both battleships and troop transports, they should've build more Gladiators exclusively for TIE support.
Fractal Sponge’s model work is just spectacular. He autta get a check from Disney for such incredible passion projects like this just to keep the work coming from him. Love to see it and can’t get enough of his ship aesthetics
*Remembers the Ryloth arc where an Acclamator is very prominently rekt by a ground cannon*
Hmmm..... _maybe_
Meanwhile in Republic Commando: *two chad Acclamators the Arrestor and Prosecutor casually scaring off a Lucrehulk*
_Ahh the good old days_
To be fair TCW is very inconsistent when it comes to firepower. In the Geonosis battle, LAATs are hit by the same flak cannon and are able to crash. Even though a Nantex fighter destroyed Anakin's LAAT with a few blaster hits in AotC.
@@MobiusLeader007 Oh I know I totally agree with that because I always thought that as well. They played pretty fast and loose with the logical continuity and consistency of the story. For instance, they'll have Dooku get humiliated by _Hondo_ and then have him make an absolute mockery of Ventress and the Nightsisters even though he is drugged and fighting blind the entire time save for "seeing" them through the force.
Sure Dooku _should_ kick their backsides though even in that the showrunners just had to go and have them seem to force him to rely on force powers to end the fight (which I always thought was a bit off) He was clearly strong enough to cut the pirates to pieces, surrounded or not.
If that were Vader? They'd all be dead. Dooku would do the same to them he just would. Then again that show did have Gungans bring down Grievous. I was like aight I'mma head out when I first saw that lol They wouldn't do that though because they want to have character driven stories and keep fan favourites around and plot armour them up to survive anything. Dooku can draw Yoda. He wouldn't be scared of pirates.
The 3D Clone wars is really bad in battle scale and the power of the weapons and ships
@@ThePalaeontologist Gungans are actually a warrior race. Do not try to dimish them because of Jar Jar. Also their weapons are most EMP based, which is particularly effective against a cyborg like Grievous.
I actually like the new canon's use of multipurpose Gozanti's for the purpose of landing large numbers of walkers. I could definitely see the Acclamator serving as the primary battlewagon for large formations of the Imperial Army.
I do think the acclamator fits that role perfectly, which is definitely one area where the empire was lacking. Great idea Eck!!!
They shouldve just kept a venator or two at the back of a battlegroup for their 400-800+ starfighters, and an acclamator for the troop transport capabilities, have an ISD a victory and some Arquitens crusiers for the firepower and some lancers as anti fighter and boom, powerful specialized strike fleets, on the larger ones have 2 to 3 times what i mentioned with a Interdictor and the rebels wouldve been toast, the empire very much so had the available funding for this and if the venator is too much, add a modified Carrier/Acclamator or a few Quasars instead, u still have the big bruisers and scary ships whilst keeping the distinct wedged theme and u have a lot of support for ur main ships
they could have made the Acclamators better by making them modular, can add more weapons, some of its troops areas as hangers for figthers, it could be a quite modular ship, i love fractal sponges version
I once heard that - in legends - there was a vessel based on the Acclamator called the Imperial-II class frigate. It was the same frame with modifications for side hangar entrances, modern weapons and ISD style bridge tower.
They're designed similarly but the Imp-II is 400 meters shorter than an Acclamator and more of a niece ship than a proper sister or successor. starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_II-class_frigate
I agree what Eck said about the potential usage of the Aclimator if I were a admiral in the empire I would totally use the Aclimator.
Honestly that makes a lot of sense, and also it can act as a sort of smaller, lighter ship of the line that can be sent quickly to hot zones across the Galaxy, since I'm guessing it requires less crew and is probably a bit faster as as well
The empire actually did use acclamators they actually had a variant of it that served the same purpose as the clone wars one.
In fact several of them were used to offload troops and vehicles during the hoth campaign.
I don't think the Empire really had a need for a ship with this role, all I could really maybe agree with was the two examples you provided with Hoth (Which was really less effective due to poor tactical planning, and Acclamators had the risk of being disabled by the ion cannon) and the Jedi Praxium. The republic needed these because they were in a galaxy wide conflict where armies of clones needed to be mobilized on the go, whereas the majority of the Empire is really just peacetime occupation with numerous minuscule insurrections. There weren't too many battles or engagements in the GCW that required mass deployments of infantry, and even still ISDs perform the role of troop carrier well enough. Additionally, while ISD's are laughable at engaging small fleets of rebel fighters, the Acclamator would be even more so, with an addition of an even larger amount of troops lost if it's destroyed.
Makes sense, they should have had dedicated carriers and higher quality fighters.
You overestimate the peace and stability of the Empire.
@@silentdrew7636 Don't get me wrong, I know for a fact that there were numerous insurrections and rebellions under Imperial rule; Mimban is a good example, but many seem to have been relatively small in scale, making mass deployments a little unnecessary, especially since star destroyers and planet garrisons seem to already be enough to police systems in conflict.
@midgetydeath depends on when you look at. That certainly applies10-20 years before Yavin, with Yavin serving as the turning point where the Rebels become a serious force in the Galaxy, including unifying many of those disparate forces under a single banner. By the year leading to Endor, the empire simply couldn't keep up with rebel attacks. Throughout all of that, however, large-scale troop transports weren't really needed that often.
As a troop carrier these ships would make sense but in other videos on this channel its been shown in the shift of tactics the empire had adapted or switched to after the fall of the Republic. They went from a mass of numbers superiority to a superiority in size which included guns... republic tactics pre empire were more precision based. With smaller fighting forces and an army that wasn't easily supplemented with re-enforcements or new troops they had to be more sparing and careful with their use. Where as the empire shifted gears... bigger ships, regular people instead of clones for their main fighting forces, not a fighter to fighter fight as much as it was a massive city sized ship overwhelming an entire planet just by showing up... there were cases of counter offenses that were effective against the star destroyers yes, but those were costly and not very often utilized outside a well funded group/government (planetary shielding for example). The best weapons of star destroyers was its presence striking fear into all, seconded by its guns which could and did at times raze planetary bodies. They preferred a pilots clean view of the battle then the nitty gritty dirt in your eye of the stormtroopers who were generaly themselves disdained by the officer corps of the empire itself. So was it a useful ship the empire could have utilized more of? Sure. But it didn't fit with the empires traditional doctrine of combat superiority and preferred tactics. Officers like thrawn would have seen its potential and utilized it better, however he himself did tend to prefer more surgical tactics then a mass invasion of forces on a ground ausault.
I think you are missing an important factor. Most of the times the empire doctrine is so blamed because relaying just on ISDs.. but from my point of view that was the way to go at the times the empire was ruling the galaxy.
Aclamator is an excelent ship but is made for war. For planning massive invasions, masive movements of troops etc Is not a ship for the empire times where you need a Ship that is capable of everything and to stand alone against any situation. A ship that works as a comand ship, a carrier for fighters, a carrier for troops, a cargo ship, a big platform for anti ship weapons with suficient autonomy to work alone and without any suport ship. because you may need to elimine some pirats, intercept some ship who wants to scape for whatever reason, give escort for any kind of subject, a politic, a military operation on the planet, eliminate any kind of small hidden rebelion grop on a planet like a resistance group very underpowered compare to the empire (like resistance on the WWII etc and they may need some peace operations as well like a medical suplie etc They need a ship to control and support a system..... oh whait wich ship is capable of that... Oh!! the ISD!! So you need an ISD not a big troop transport.
Of course an ISD operating alone has some weaknesses and a coordinated attack of a small rebel fleet with big numbers on fighters can plann an ambush but dont forguet even teorically inferior 72 tie fighters are a lot of tie fighters and even the X wing can be superior, ties are faster and more manoubrable so the X wings can not disengage that ease if they have to go for one tie and he has two on the tail because superior numbers. I know the example from WWII even the germans with superior fighters they could not face 5-1 they builded time for the attackers to the bombers because they were able to outclimb anything but one they made the first attack they were so overnumbered that they had to disengage or die and the X wings has no capability of disengaging !!! THAT IS THE MANDATORY RULE of fighter combat!! a superior fighter is the one that can engage and disengage from a combat so he can dictate the combat!! So i will never understand why the Ties are a worse fighter being faster and more manoubrable. They look like the japanesse zeros very manoubrable but weak but zeros were not fast planes!! they were slower so that is why the americans learned how to fight them with sluguish but much faster planes!
So a 72 tie fighters are a big treath to any kind of force except a very big attack and well planed ambush on an ISD
But what I can not hold is that a fleet of ISDs are still weak against fighter attacks and every batle on sw ends with all ISDs destroyed but the rebel fighters anyone who has study a little bit the WWII and knows how the task force worked knows that was not that easy for the fighters to get the big ships and the carriers. Yes a standing ship is no match alone with just the AAA and no fighters but a task force made screens of flack that were extremelly difficult to pass. Even like that a massive attack could go trought and get some ship but when escorted by fighters the thing changes and fighers are the best barrier not suport AAA ships.
And on SW they allways throw the Ties alone on suicide attacks like idiots because of plot armor. And the rebel big ships just hold the attack. Ok that mon cal shields are good but cmon. a fleet of dedicatet antiship Destroyers... they just need to focus them one by one to overwelm the Unpenetrable plot mon calamari shields...
I would not blame empire doctrine of fleet. That was the correct one the problem are not the ships are the plot armor. And if they would have the fleet as you said the escorts would be shit as well or the comander a moron to win the rebels so...
While I agree with what you said, I feel I need to point out that tie pilots are not highly skilled. Xwing pilots had higher survivability because of shields and had hyper drives, where ties were fragile and needed to land to travel out of a system. True, quantity is a quality of its own, but rebel doctrine counted on hit and run and needed the better capable fighters.
I'd have to check the essential guide to warfare (it's been too long since I read up on it) but I think ties where not faster than xwings and only more maneuverable outside atmosphere where those wings didn't hinder them.
@@RamielNagisa I agree with your Ties are equal in speed but a bit more maneuverable. Wedge himself in either Rogue Squadron 1 or 2that tie starfighters, not interceptors, are about equal with the x-wing. And he also said that tie pilots are to a point worse but only because they have no shields and as such they can't take as many hits.
@@RamielNagisa On the new Hope Vader catches the Xwings on straight line on the trench and he had two tie escorts so the ties are capable to keep up with the vaders X1 so I guess the X1 still can run more.
Yes, ties have no hyper drive and are weak but for being weak you need to shot at them. and for that you need to take their six.
As you said hit and run were the tactic. If you analice wich fighter used this tactic on the WWII you have perfect example. Fw190 a plane that was capable of taking damage, faster than anyone big armament and easy to handle but sluguish at slow turning dogfights. They were dominant using hit and run BUT when a new ally plane apeared wich was faster the 190 could not upgrade his engine and he died as a figher and was relegated to ground attack. I could not find any example where a slow plane dominated faster planes. Zero was dominant at the beguining being a little bit slower than widcats but they were so manoubrable and the widcats a truck and once they figured out how to use hit and run, the things were equal because they were not faster by much.
If the pilots are the problem then the problem is not the ship doctrine, is the pilot program. And that makes no sense because at peace time pilot are much well trained than at war time where you have loses and you need more pilots with less time to train them. The only thing maybe is the X wings pilots are not better trained but they have more combat experience and that is what makes de difference on skill.
All these looong replies and I'm just here with one sentence.
Didn’t the new canon change these beasts into Imperial Cargo Ships? What a waste.
The Empire actually did keep the Acclamator as a frigate and a transport for troops or captured enemy prisoners.
I’ve been thinking about this for a while now. And I agree that the acclamator would have excelled in the empires fleet. I also thought a good way to link all the trilogy’s for ep 9 would have been a Star destroyer fleet consisting of every main type or destroyer from the republic to the first order.
I think landing a capital ship is a very different thing from moving troops laterally along the planet's surface into battle after they've already landed. The whole point of the AT-AT was that they could be much more heavily armored than an aerial transport, and that they could be deployed without establishing aerial superiority before moving in, and a big ol' honking ship close up to the Hoth base slowly landing would be dead meat for all those gun emplacements. If their battle plans could be improved by delivering troops by air rather than by land, they could've just dropped in Lambda shuttles from orbit instead.
Of course, a bigger reason is that in the 70s, (or really, in the 50s from the war movies that Lucas was drawing from) people hadn't really caught on to the idea of helicopters zooming in and delivering troops while providing fire support. The whole narrative is about big imposing tanks steadily moving in while the rebels can only finagle something together to delay, not even defeat, the incoming force.
the problem is that aclimators were mainly for landing large groups of troops. as you said before the empire wasnt fighting a war it was simply maintaining control so a ship specifically for this purpose wouldn't be used very often. with this in mind it would just be more convieniant to use existing ships like the star destroyer
Can't wait for star wars armada to bring the prequel models.
I prefer these ships over the imperial
@EckhartsLadder
Believe it or not in Star Wars Legends the Acclamator was seen being in use by the Kaarenth Dissension or as it was called later the "Restored Empire" where their fleets were comprised of older mothballed Republic and Imperial ships like the Acclamator and Victory-class and Venator-class Star Destroyers to note a few which isn't that far fetched considering the "Restored Empire's" base was an old Clone Wars Era Military Base. The "Restored Empire" was led by Ennix Devian - one of the Emperor's Hitmen.
Great video as always, however there is one point I'd like to discuss. The Acclamator was definitely one of the best troop transports but it served the Republic better than it would have served the Empire because of each faction's circumstances. The Republic needed a reliable transport that could ferry clones to various battlegrounds to fight in the war against the CIS. However, this was not the case with the Empire because since they weren't actively fighting a war on the scale of the Republic, they just needed a policing force, and I feel that the ISD does a better job of this than the Acclamator would. While the Empire did fight in battles against the Rebellion, or battles on Kashyyyk, Geonosis, or with Luke's Praxeum, the Acclamator would have just been overkill compared to the ISD's versatile role as a carrier and capital ship.
Need a massive heavily armed transport ship? Go for the acclamator
Need a solid battlecarrier? Go for the venator
Acclamator makes a lot of sense for the Rebellion/Alliance. For use as a mobile fleet base for fighter support. Wouldn’t be a front line, but support. With just it’s size, can service an entire motor pool and fighter repair.
It probably had to do with the Tarkin Doctrine's emphasis on blasting ground targets from space rather than landing troops. The entire point of the ground assault on Hoth was that the umbrella shield over Echo Base was strong enough to withstand bombardment from the star destroyers, but it did not cover the entire planet. So landing troops in order to bring it down was necessary. The Imperial philosophy was to try to develop greater firepower to punch through shields. Hence the Death Stars and later the star destroyer variants from the sequels. The destruction of Alderaan, a Core World, was a testament to the Empire's willingness to destroy even valuable planets if it fit their plans. Plus, later stormtroopers were a LOT less effective in combat than the earlier clonetroopers.
I mean, across the whole galaxy there were probably hundreds of campaigns that relied on landing troops using Acclamators that we never see, probably in the first decade of the Empire establishing itself. The main films were mainly about space battles anyway though obviously made 30 years before the first time we see accalmators.
As well as empire at war, there was also a comic of Mon Mothmas son at the battle of Hoth which showed Acclamators landing AT-AT's and AT-ST.
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I've had the same thoughts about the Acclamator, and I wholeheartedly agree. It would make total sense for the Empire to keep the Acclamator throughout its reign. Even in a non-combat role, these things would be extremely useful. Just one could quickly transport thousands of troops and dozens of walkers from one system to another, land on the surface, and in a matter of minutes unload them. It would be a far cheaper and less time-consuming alternative to ferrying troops squads at a time via shuttle. It's the perfect ship the Empire could use to quickly "deploy the garrison!"
I like to think the Imperials kept the Acclamator and did continue to use them, even with their god awful command towers.
I’m not up to date on canon, but in legends acclamators were actually used to some extent at the battle of Hoth, they dropped off most of the troops and Juggernauts, where as the YT-85 titan dropship dropped off the ATAT. Again in legends but still, and in the Biggs Darklighter graphic novel Biggs and Hobby served and defected from the ship they were station on the Rand Ecliptic, that was an acclamator as well. And it was mostly a space faring role. So at least in legends the Empire made decent use of it in both senses. I agree with you, personally I also this if the Empire kept the Venator they could have give up half the fighter/carrying capacity in exchange for 3-4x the fire power, the venator could still then carry as much as the ISD, and it would have a beam weapon. But you know that’s my point of view.
In legends they used it and make even successors with the mark ll and mark lll. The Acclamator was used as a slave ship. They used it to move large groups of slaves. The Acclamator mark ll and mark lll have less storage areas but they get more and upgraded guns.
Remember this ship well from Republic Commando - an entire Chapter takes place on board an Acclamator.
Also maybe if the tie reaper ( seen during the battle of Scarif)was taken into mass production the Empire’s ground attacks / defenses would’ve greatly improved, also it can be taken to space unlike the gunship and I think it has reasonable space for troops
I guessed acclamators before you said it. I agree with you. The amount of ships they could have turned out would have been far more than what they did with the SD1. The acclamator could have been a great regional ship to patrol and be the first alert to the empire and hold a line until reinforcements came. The empire never did a proper fleet like modern navy's have. You could have a SD1 with 3 acclamators, maybe an interdictor or two, and several drop ships and quasars for a battle fleet. Use the acclamators that are patrolling the region call in the fleet and try to lock down orbital flight movements and minimally engage the rebels to keep them focused on the ground efforts. When the fleet gets there you can overwhelm the rebellion. Far simpler
It is a great video detailing my favorite Star Wars ship.
another thing about the Acclamator it could be used as a planetary base I.E command and control, barracks and vehicle hanger not just in the initial landing but think about the fact that using an Acclamator would mean no need to build a base which during the clone wars where most CIS bases were made to support droids this fact meant saving on a tonne of material and time.
If the Acclimator was modular, it would be an awesome ship. It looks to have a lot of useable surface space both along its dorsal and ventral areas for guns. With its atmospheric flight abilities, it could act as a heavy gunship to control whole swaths of territory.
you could modify the acclamator to hold lots of fighters, then add tie fighter docking arms on the ventral side so you can double the fighter complement
The Acclamator would not only have been great at planetary assaults, but it would have been a great platform for use as an assault and heavy escort frigate. In that role, it could have traded space for troops for star fighters instead.
I think the Quasar Class Light Carrier is probably one of the best overall ship designs ever in Star Wars. It is a cheap, simple, mass-producable, reasonably sized, but very versatile ship, and all those different roles it can fill would be useful roles. It's the kind of ship a Galactic Empire should be deploying by the ten thousands.
The Acclamator is the assault ship of Star Wars. And just like assault ships, the Acclamator lends itself well to being refitted as a lightning carrier. As a basic hull, the Acclamator has already seen up-gunned versions and it has been hinted that some may have been converted alongside Venators into starfighter training vessels. So what is to stop the Empire from refitting existing Acclamators into escort carriers of some description? While perhaps not best suited for work in Imperial battle groups, an Acclamtor in this refit would serve well as a convoy escort, providing a crucial fighter screen in addition to the usual assortment of corvettes and light cruisers which may be escorting convoys along the usual merchant lanes.
They did carry on using the Acclamators in the Empire...
I think the Venetor is the best keeper for the Empire. Its exists in large numbers and would have been perfect for regional and planetary control that would free up a lot of SDs for fleet activity. And they could be put to good use in those cases where the enemy does not have the resources to motivate the use of an SD. Id like to think that sending a couple of Venetors to help the fight on Lothal during Rebel Season one would have been a perfect boost up for the empire there. And thus the soldiers of the empire - Both the clones and the stormtroopers would have been used to live and use them for combat. Johan.
When playing the pentastar alignment acclamators are usually the backbone of my fleets. Cheap enough you can throw a wave of them at a validusia in groups they can do tons of damage
The Rebel Alliance should’ve built 2 Acclamators for every 1 MC80. In fact there was Acclamators in Imperial junkyards and on planets wrecked beyond repair but had useable parts. They could’ve been refitted as Medical Ships and treat 16k patients at one time; fighter carriers carrying 144 A-Wings in their hold and frontline ships raiding supply lines.
The ISD is a great platform, and could easily excell in a generalist role with the addition of a robust point defense system and an upgrade to TIE defenders or even interceptors. Perfect. One size fits all.
If the empire had built their ISD fleet on this model, they would be unstoppable. Especially if they used their death Star money to increase the size of this fleet.
i think they were viable and good (for their role) ships, and especially in EaW i absolutely loved them for their whole
and being on the Prosecutor in SW:RC is still one of my favourite parts of that game as well, simply feels awesome
I really like the idea of an Acclamator refit to replace all its hangar space with redundant shielding and power generation and more guns and use it as a lighter Tector class
The rebels operated in small groups, there was barly any time, where a large amount of groundforces was needed. The Empire just needed to blockade the space so the rebels couldnt run. If you look at the cost to operate enough Acclamators for that it would be too expensive in every way, The empire just could have used more carracks that swapped out their turbo lasers for point defence / laser canons. They are a good match for blockade runners, their Ion canons can desable corvettes, transports, help against frigattes and the empire would have huge numbers of faster and cheaper anti fighter escords. It would also fit more into the empires doctrine.
Venators fully filled with TIEs would be the ultimate fleet carrier.
As for the Acclamator, for a combat refit in the imperial era Id upgrade its power plant, then replace its cmone wars weapons with the quad barbettes from the ISD2, with each turret spread out for coverage.
One on nose of the ships dorsal/ventral hull, then four more on the main hull, both dorsal and ventral lined up with the bridge, maybe one more pair on rhe too/bottom of the rearmost quarter of the ship.
The Acclimator looks like a sting ray.
I like it.
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The Empires didn't just have Acclaimators lying around, they were using them. Infact, they even went as far as to create the Mk II variants as well that could perform Delta Base Zero.
You spoke of the shortcomings of the venator which I agree with but I would love to see a in depthredesign of it to be more balanced and functional in Capital to capital combat. It’s tidal of a carrier warship mix is a facade. The cis had a ship that better fits this tidal in the form of the providence
I mean. there is an in-depth redesign that makes it more balanced and functional. ITs called an imperial star destroyer.
It is basically worthy of being Dedicated Troop Transports. Maybe refit it's armaments and use more powerful point defence to fend off the rebel fighters and bombers that would inevitably be sent after them, and there you go, decent second line support ships. The main problem might be how antiquated the hull design might be by the end of the Galactic Civil War. But these things are a lot better than GR-75's.
Remember in Republic Commando when a barely functioning _Acclamator_-class (the RAS _Prosecutor_ ) and a reinforcing _Acclamator_-class (the RAS _Arrestor_ ) called to the stricken ship's position, took on and defeated a _Lucrehulk_-class Droid Control Ship (pretty comparable to the Battleship version)? That game
Decades from now, when the OT gets its inevitable reboot, I hope to see a remastered Battle of Hoth where AT-ATs & Juggernauts get hot-dropped into battle by a fleet of Acclamators, with some providing aerial support / artillery fire while others land their forces and setup FOBs.
Come on where's that paratrooper video at!? Favorite Star Wars UA-camr.
Instead of incorperating them into existing fleets and task forces the Acclamators could have been kept at centralised army/navy bases and dispatched via FTL communications. Because of the much faster hyperdrive on an Acclamator than a ISD (class 0.6 compared to class 2) they should be able to bring down a powerful ground element to any battle space pretty quickly.
I say keep (and upgrade) both the Acclamator and Venator as support ships to the ISD, make better fighters, and use other small and flexible ships to support ISDs. Some I can think of off the top of my head: Carrack, Lancer, Raider, Arquitens.
Eck: empire start attaching acclamators to your fleet
Me: empire is dead
Empire at war: am I a joke to you?
Honestly, they kept the cruiser and I think it was a good move. Small, needed mass production (way more than star destroyers) and was quite balanced with enough fire power, infantry complement and small hanger in some variants to deal with small insurgence and provide all around support.
This is the best place to post this comment, I know this sounds crazy but please here me out. So there’s the Tector class star destroyer which is an ISD with no hangar but more guns. What if you took an Venator and did the same thing, you would get so much more space for guns and shields if all or most of the hangar was removed. And one of the bigges weaknesses of the ship, the large hangar doors are also removed.
The Aclimator would present a singular big target for the enemy though. As opposed to the dozens of smaller targets they would otherwise had with dropships