That truly powerful shout was so endearing. The feel of the POWER!!! I gotta say, that thing sounds AMAZING with the pedal down! I will patiently await your new records, once you tune the driver ;)
Dude i wanna see more of this car, don't swap it out, keep it in and see it's full potential because this thing is nuts, you can easily get this in the 11s but if you set up the entire car right and maybe find a way to squeeze a bit more power out of it calling 10s easy, keep up up dude
Your reaction time on that third run was a lot better but you blew the tires off lol. Awesome to see this. I love old Toyotas and I love seeing a Toyota power plant in one instead of a K-series. I joked on the last MR2 video from the Boosted Boiz channel that kyle needs to give you a call to drop one of these in his car since the k24 doesn't seem to want to hold together. 🙃
I've actually tried reaching out to Kyle a few years ago about the Toyota motor. I never got a reply but I'm sure he gets a ton of e-mails so i'm not really bothered by it. But if he were to each out i'd love to help him out.
They ran into a lot of problems with the k-series swaps right from the start. Then there's the H and B series engines that were relatively reliable. Granted they weren't running that kind of power through those, but they had problems even at lower power numbers with the K's and it took a lot to make them hold together for even a few passes.
With their resources, I could see the 2GR pushing out 1.5k in no time. Forged internals, upgraded valvetrain, purpose-built turbo cams, studded everything, custom dry sump, and of course a nice fat turbo will all pair well with the extremely stout cross-bolted bottom end.
Get 2 step Get some 235mm drag slicks on 9 wides (lightest wheels you can find) Start at 3000rpm Side-step launch Work your way up 200rpm at a time till it doesn't bog If it spins, lower the tire pressure 2psi at a time till it hooks again Repeat 5 and 6 until you run an 11.6 or better
The adapter is actually made by Paul Woods so you may want to reach out to him and ask but the truth is that the 5 plug ECU really never caught on, it's less than 5% of MR2s out there with the 5 plug ECU so it's unlikely to get much plug & play support.
Definitely still a decent time considering...looking forward to the progress once you get the seat time in. That patch harness solves one of my dilemma for boosting eventually. 💪
Logistical question for you... You are using EA transmission here; right? I think ea62 or ea63. Will the LSD that you use fit in these transmissions? Have you tried yet?
with street tires, I personally try to go around the water, and just do a small spin to clean the tires off, not do a full burn out. if you are on drag tires then its a different story. Depending on the tire, it may get greasier as it gets hot
The tires are A052's which get really sticky with heat but i have to say i was expecting a lot better with these tires. I'm just going to switch to drag specific tires, this car has enough power and it's a dedicated drag car so it really should have drag tires anyways.
If MR2 Nate's MR2 is anything to go by, the weakest thing in the S54 is also the differential. I wonder how far it could go with an LSD that can handle more power. Also just curious, is this the most powerful car you've driven now?
That's honestly not a bad question about the S54 and would be interesting to get an answer on it. Right now I'm dedicating my efforts to the narrow E series but perhaps someone else might look into the S54. I've driven cars with more horsepower but this is the best power to weight ratio by far and it pushes you back in your seat to a ridiculous degree.
It would be interesting to know how much power the S54 could handle with an LSD, but I don’t want to spend the money to find out. Right not I have an E153 but I plan to upgrade to the E351 eventually.
@@supers0nic77 The LSD from the Spyder transmission fits in the S54. The differential in the S54 is the weakest link, so upgrading it should make it stronger.
The E153 is a shit transmission. It's overhyped for what it is. It has really tough gears but so much rotating mass that it can't shift reliably above 5000rpm especially the 1-2 shift but also the 2-3 shift. The problem gets even worse over time as the poor shifts cause accelerated wear. As for dog gears, i'd argue that once you take an E153 and replace the input shaft, the output shaft, all the gears and synchro elements and even the differential ring gear you're left with a case, shift rods and maybe a differential if that hasn't been upgraded also. You really don't have an E153, you have an E153 shaped transmission. Look at this page to see what gets replaced: www.sqsracing.com/produkt/422:528:toyota-celica-gt4-dog-box-racing-gearbox-mr2-turbo-e154-e51 hell, even the reverse idler gets replaced.
Good times. Love your reaction going down the strip. Get some more practice in and its got low 11s high 10s written all over it. Especially once that 60ft drops.
Yeah, that clip was too good to not show, it was a very visceral experience to be in a car that pulls that hard. 11's will be easy with some tweaks and 10's will come for sure. I'll be keeping you guys informed.
@@dingomanz7 yeah there's a lovely sound coming from that velocity stack intake and the short exhaust combo. It means business and was doing a good job turning heads at the track.
Hey question for you, what is the maximum horsepower a 07 avalon with the 2GR-FE and 5 speed transmission handle? Mainly wondering about the transmission.
Unfortunately i have zero experience with the transmission so i really can't help you answer that question. The engine seems to be able to put up to about 650whp with boost.
@@630Cars u660e internally is a fair bit beefier than the u151. the 151 was behind weaker engines then thrown behind the 2gr before ultimately being replaced with the u660e. i've replaced my fair share of 151s that just burned up clutch packs.. u660 failures i've seen far less of - dealer experience also Lotus puts u660s in the evora. so we know they can handle a bit (though RWD application wont have the wheel hop issue FWD does)
This is the single most exotic sounding 2GR I've ever heard. One day I'm going to build one of these and your parts are the first thing I'll be buying.
Hey dude! First off, congrats on that run! That set up sounds absolutely amazing! I have a 2013 is350 so I found your channel trying to find someone digging deep into the potential of these 2GR motors (and I also live in Indiana lol). Am I mistaken that you bought a 2GR-FSE fairly recently? Plugged off the port injection?
Sorry i think you have the wrong person. The 2GR-FSE is unfortunately a rather different motor despite the name being quite similar. A lot of the same ideas could be applied but the parts won't just bolt on.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks thank you for the clarification! It seems the FSE is a tough one to crack, but it is certainly fun watching your thorough process with making parts and unlocking the FE! Thank you for the reply
@@viceshark It's really not any tougher to crack than the 2GR-FE that i work on, the problem is that customers are really hard to come by on new products. Even with the large following i have it still usually takes me several years to even break even on these new products because nobody wants to be the first one to buy it. You just need someone with the willingness to invest more money than is reasonable in the platform and then spend a ton of time hyping it up to get people to buy it. The MR2 is a small market but they've proven over and over that they are willing to put money where their mouth is so i'm doing my best to support them.
I developed the parts so the development costs are a lot higher than how much it would cost to repeat it. But all the parts can be purchased to make a copy of this for about $5k, there's a link in the description for all the parts.
This uses my production Frankenstein Motorworks headers with the TCS y-pipe and a 3" straight through vibrant muffler. There are links to the headers and y-pipe in the description.
Awesome results, you would have been in the 11's easy with a better 60ft. You should be able to get it down into the 1.6-1.7 60ft range. Question, what is your approximate car weight with driver?
Yeah, for sure. There's a lot of time that will come off of that with just some practice. The car weighs about 2575lbs with the driver in it. There are some pieces missing in the car but i haven't properly done any weight reduction yet.
This is so wow. I picked up a very similar car too but i have power steering and auto trans i want to convert to manual. Idk which motor though. I did k swap in my zzw though
Just keep the long gears and if anyone asks tell them its a tribute to classic LeMans racers. Really incredible, best of luck with project, you are living the dream.
Needs lsd and definitely a short shift to 4th gear. Actually short shift all gear other than 1-2 to be able to shift “quickly” with the E153. More clutch slip in 1st on the launch and with aforementioned short shifts, you’ll be running 11’s before you know it. Congrats! Great stuff! Keep it up!
i have an LSD and a spool here, trying to decide which way to go. probably leaning towards the LSD for now. Thankfully i'm not using the E153, the E153 is an absolute hot mess of a transmission that locks out high RPM shifts. I'm using An E355 but about to switch to an E351, same transmission but the E351 has shorter gears more appropriate for drag racing. I agree that 11's are going to be here soon. 10's should also be possible without a ton of extra work but it won't come for free.
Damn, I miss my 1993 MR2. Got it brand new and didn't get to 20K before getting stolen. That's what happens when you live in NYC...same damn thing happened to my 1989 MR2 as well. Great work!!!
I'm sorry to hear that but something to keep in mind if you did want to try again is that these modern engine swaps do include ECUs that have modern immobilizers on them to prevent that kind of issue.
@Frankensteinmotorworks, could you send a contact info as im rebuilding my 97 Corolla and intend to use the 2gr, and i need you to do some work for me as well as share your advice on my plan's
Awesome video as always. I am interested about that diesel transmission. Is it a narrow type? I have the 352f and my final drive is 4.562. I have put the largest tires I could fit but I am looking at rather high rpm at cruise speed.
Yes, it's a narrow E series. It's the E355 from the 2001-2005 1CD-FTV Avensis Verso. It isn't the absolute tallest gear ratio available in the narrow e-series but it's rather close. The gearing really would make for a good highway cruiser.
yeah, i'm trying hard to not overhype it though. 1.7 and 1.8 is regularly done with a 2GR MR2 so that's at least a good place to aim for to begin with. But yeah, better should be possible.
12.2 is still a damn solid number for a first pass cold. Judging by the shout, it boogies once it gets going. Caught up to the other car fast too despite the distance.
Yeah, that reaction was because it was literally the first time i had driven that car beyond parking lot speeds. It accelerates fast and then 4500rpm happens and it just hits harder and harder. It was rather ridiculous.
Yes, we need more aftermarket support on those transmissions. It's just such a shame that people started hoarding the EB60's and the price shot up. So many SW20 owners pick them up before realizing it does not work in there.
Is there any possibility that the 2GR-FE shares a bellhousing pattern with a 1GR-FE? It would be fun to stuff this setup into a Tacoma, I just don't know what manual transmission would fit the most easily.
yeah, it wasn't so much about how 1st gear pulled but by the time this thing hits speeds that would be illegal on any highway in America this thing is still shoving you hard in the back of the seat. I've never quite felt anything like it before.
I would not feel bad about that, you just did what most of the MR2 community has been saying is the best plan for the last three decades. But yeah, if you're intended use for the car includes regular high RPM shifts you may want to reconsider the plan.
The transmissions are very available, the hard part is finding someone willing to ship overseas. I just got it from e-bay and asked to find out someone that would ship it internationally.
That thing sounds SAVAGE. Couldn't imagine one with a full ITB setup and that LSD installed in there. Shouldn't be hard at all to easily break well into the 11's. Nice work, thanks for sharing 👍
ITBs aren't as godly as people make them out to be, the velocity stack shape of the intake still makes the same sound with or without the throttle blades in the way and the plenum does not prevent that sound from escaping. A lot of what you're hearing already is just that, it's intake noise because the intake is so much closer to the microphone than the exhaust.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Oh I don't doubt that the same principals of flow, velocity, fluid dynamics, etc are similar with the way your plenum is designed and whatnot. I think sound/ response wise on so many engines ITB's are a pretty good upgrade at least for a good amount of the older platforms, on an N.A. build especially where there aren't a lot of choices for bolt-ons and such. Obviously the ITB'S are only going to be as effective as they can be tuned for. If you can't tune for them with whatever software/ standalone you could even lose power, more obviously low end trq. My basis/ experience for ITB setups is really on the older CIS Motronic VW/ Audi engines. CIS in itself was such a large restriction with the whole air flow meter/ plate and fuel dizzy. Just eliminating the CIS and retrofitting an hot wire/ hot film MAF with Mega squirt, flashed EPROM, etc it's such a huge gain. You could get even more with a MAP on speed density. On something modern like these engines, K series, 1.8t, etc there are definitely much less gains and benefits to running a set of ITB's, I do agree wholeheartedly. I can also agree that the induction noise with your particular intake/ plenum setup is probably pretty damn similar noise/ response wise. Those are the two main reasons I think some folks are drawn to the idea of individual throttles. At the end of the day an engine is basically just a pump and all the same things really apply here for the most part. Good discussion, thank you. 😎
@@caveone-365 MAF sensors of old really have left a sour taste in people's mouth. I run this thing on MAF and it makes tuning an absolute breeze. Everything just works right and you always have the amount of fuel you're expecting. Of course the fact that i make a 3.5" MAF housing to avoid restrictions really does help a bunch.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Oh no doubt there are gains to be had by just upgrading the MAF housing diameter/ tuning to make use of the larger volume from the increase in size. It's not out of the ordinary to see 20+ whp just from the larger housing if tuned accordingly for the changes in air/ fuel. The fact that you are running a 3.5" housing has got to be a big difference on a 4cyl with roughly around 2.5l of displacement. As an example, I have run a 3.5" MAF upgraded from the OEM 3," along with slightly larger injectors, and a flashed EPROM on an OBD1 BMW S50B30 and was able to get 25+ whp easily with just an 'off the shelf' burned EPROM, no standalone or Dyno tuning. It's common for the V8/ larger displacement guys to run a 4" housing no problem, as long as you are capable of supporting the upgrade. Not all ECU's are created equal as you know, but almost any later engine management has to be tuned to not make the car have screwed up AFR's. I think the only car I've installed a larger MAF on that didn't need a tune to run decent was one of my '95 BMW 540i/ 6 speeds. It was a M60B40, which is a 4.0l quad cam V8 with no vanos (variable cam timing.) It had a basic Bosch 404 DME with a socketed EPROM, so granted it would run okay after bigger MAF, injectors, etc you weren't getting all the gains you could without a custom burned chip. Definitely a hassle compared to running something like Haltech or MS3. Nobody wants to play around with burning chips after each mod/ adjustment rather than tuning on the fly via a laptop like a normal person would want to. Times and technology have definitely gone far from back in the days. Again, I enjoy the info/ discussion. It's easy to 'nerd out' on this stuff LOL 😆
As funny as that would be i actually have an F350 here i use for towing. It will show up in the channel at some point, i do have a rather big project to do on it.
It's the E355, it's from the 2001-2005 1CD-FTV Avensis Verso and it's got the 3.684 final drive and it's got a forward shift mechanism just like the MR2. Honestly the gearing in this would make for a great cruising vehicle, especially for someone putting on a bunch of highway miles.
I forgot to answer about the axles, Alex Wilhelm and I worked together to find axles and it's documented here: wilhelmraceworks.com/blog/e351-transmission-swap
Right now about 2575 with driver, there are some parts missing because that's how i bought the car but there hasn't really been any real weight reduction yet.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I get a lot of ideas from watching these... there's so much info contained herein, I watch each one several times. Thanks again.
The car has super tall gears and is getting 0.5s slower 60' time than cars that read 100whp lower on the exact same dyno. Also, notice how the 3-4 shift happens at just the wrong time so the car is likely not at it's top speed when it crosses the line. No matter though, i'm not just going to sit here and imagine what it could do, i will fix the gearing and try again.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks keep at it man. If that is making 400 wheel it will for sure become a much more aggressive car when figured out. I don’t know much about them so I’m enjoying the content in it so learn something I didn’t have much knowledge about before. Did you have engine pics?
Yeah, The power side of that equation is doing great, i just need to work on the weight side of it now. There's a ton of weight to drop at this point, at least 200lbs will come quite easy and there's quite a bit more possible without a ridiculous amount of work before needing any kind of carbon fiber anything.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks That is awesome. My mini is 2,700 lbs and ~200 at the wheels so ~2,000 lbs and 400hp is hard to imagine. My Dad’s SVT cobra was 400 at the wheels and 3,665 lbs. It felt so fast, but your machine would destroy it. Awesome accomplishment already! 👏
Unfortunately this was a last minute thing and i was solo at the track. I did hand my camera to a spectator and i did get footage but it's too low quality to post.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks also your cast exhaust manifolds, do you know if they fit all 2grfe cars ? And do you plan on offering a 2.5 inch collector option ? I love the durability aspect of them i just dont see myself running anything under 2.5" duals.
@@2zztercel558 The collector does not match any OEM location so they will not directly bolt on to any OEM application but they should fit any 2GR-FE that does not have a belt driven power steering pump. There's no 2.5" outlet planned at the moment but it would be trivial to expand it right after the collector. It not unusual for the collector to be slightly tighter than the rest of the exhaust.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks if you ever do a version that clears the powersteering pump, transfer case and has 2.5" exits you will sell a lot. Until then more power to the mr2 community and less to the rest of 2gr fans i guess lol
hey, i've been locked out of the discord for a few months. it says i have to verify my phone number, but discord doesn't recognize it. can you just set it up where everyone has to react using specific emotes so a bot can assign access to the channels? that seems like the best way to get rid of spammers and getting around discord's stupid phone number verification system. also, phone numbers should never be used for 2-factor authentication since they can be easily stolen using sim-swap attacks.
The rule of thumb is 1/10th of the 60ft is worth 2/10ths off the quarter mile time. If he can get his 60ft to 1.8ish or quicker he'll be well into the 11s. Gear change time might give him an extra mph or three, but the launch is make or break!
Yeah, particularly that 1-2 gets the car out of it's power band. The gears i'm looking to go to will put 2nd closer to 1st so the 1-2 shift does not get out of the power band.
There's a bunch of estimates out there for what the 60' does to the quarter mile time but they all agree that whatever gains you manage in the 60' ends up being a bigger gain in the ET and the 2GR should have no problems pulling off a 1.7 60' time so yeah, a better launch with better gearing will certainly get this thing in the 11's.
Some radials, a good dialed in suspension... and I can see this hitting high 10s 🫡 keep up the great work dude, love seeing these odd ball engine builds
That truly powerful shout was so endearing. The feel of the POWER!!! I gotta say, that thing sounds AMAZING with the pedal down! I will patiently await your new records, once you tune the driver ;)
Yes, "tune the driver" is exactly what needs to happen. I'll work on it for sure :)
“It’s not hard to switch the motor in and out..”
A bunch of people with their car endlessly sitting on jack stands just got triggered!
Dude i wanna see more of this car, don't swap it out, keep it in and see it's full potential because this thing is nuts, you can easily get this in the 11s but if you set up the entire car right and maybe find a way to squeeze a bit more power out of it calling 10s easy, keep up up dude
Someone donate this man another shell so he can have the 2GR and the 2AR vs eachother when they're done
I know I've seen some on fb just getting parted out and then crushed wtf makes me so mad
@08:19 Holy Shat! 🤣
Congrats on your 1/4 mile times.
Yeah, that was the first time i've ever opened the throttle on this car other than on the dyno. it was an eye opening experience.
Your reaction time on that third run was a lot better but you blew the tires off lol. Awesome to see this. I love old Toyotas and I love seeing a Toyota power plant in one instead of a K-series. I joked on the last MR2 video from the Boosted Boiz channel that kyle needs to give you a call to drop one of these in his car since the k24 doesn't seem to want to hold together. 🙃
I've actually tried reaching out to Kyle a few years ago about the Toyota motor. I never got a reply but I'm sure he gets a ton of e-mails so i'm not really bothered by it. But if he were to each out i'd love to help him out.
Considering he is running almost 1500 hp out of a 4 cylinder...
@@_pixlzfn_5503 I suppose context is important, i had reached out to Kyle when he first picked up the MR2 even before the K was initially swapped.
They ran into a lot of problems with the k-series swaps right from the start. Then there's the H and B series engines that were relatively reliable. Granted they weren't running that kind of power through those, but they had problems even at lower power numbers with the K's and it took a lot to make them hold together for even a few passes.
With their resources, I could see the 2GR pushing out 1.5k in no time. Forged internals, upgraded valvetrain, purpose-built turbo cams, studded everything, custom dry sump, and of course a nice fat turbo will all pair well with the extremely stout cross-bolted bottom end.
HONESTLY YOUVE GOT YOURSELF A 11.6 CAR ALL DAY. AND TO THINK THAT WAS A DIESEL TRANS LOL..ALL GOOD MAN, GLAD TO HAVE FOUND YOUR CHANNEL.
Hell yeah!!!
Please can we crack open the 2gr-fse next 🙏🏽😭😭👀👀
Unfortunately the 2GR-FSE engine does not fit in the MR2 so i would need a pretty big investment to dig into yet another engine like that.
Awesome Mark! That was a great first shake down for the v6.
This is awesome! Sounds great too! Looking forward to seeing you get this combination perfected 👍
Get 2 step
Get some 235mm drag slicks on 9 wides (lightest wheels you can find)
Start at 3000rpm
Side-step launch
Work your way up 200rpm at a time till it doesn't bog
If it spins, lower the tire pressure 2psi at a time till it hooks again
Repeat 5 and 6 until you run an 11.6 or better
Out there getting results! Great work, amazing time for a first outing with limited runs.
Thanks, i was a bit disappointed i did not manage a better launch to get down to 11's but 12.2 is still pretty fast.
Holy shit indeed lol I was planning on an AJ30 swap into my Miata but now you inspired me with some ideas for the ultra reliable 2GR.
hell yeah, do it!
Im confused.. cause u said european deisel transmission.. then u said scion tc..
EB or EA??
I think for the quarter mile you either neet marginally longer gears or maybe 200-300rpm more;) great job on all of your work mate!
A 12 sec pass in a 90s toyota is nothing to be ashamed of. That motor sounds amazing.
Holy shit imagine what this engine is capable of with forced induction
Rippin
I have a 5 plug harness! Any support for 5 plug ecu?
The adapter is actually made by Paul Woods so you may want to reach out to him and ask but the truth is that the 5 plug ECU really never caught on, it's less than 5% of MR2s out there with the 5 plug ECU so it's unlikely to get much plug & play support.
Definitely still a decent time considering...looking forward to the progress once you get the seat time in. That patch harness solves one of my dilemma for boosting eventually. 💪
You need a BMW DCT transmission.
Logistical question for you... You are using EA transmission here; right? I think ea62 or ea63. Will the LSD that you use fit in these transmissions? Have you tried yet?
I'm using an E355, but Quaife makes an LSD for the both that as well as the EA
Great work mate, hope you're having fun!!! Love from Tasmania!
I absolutely am, this is a blast :)
with street tires, I personally try to go around the water, and just do a small spin to clean the tires off, not do a full burn out. if you are on drag tires then its a different story. Depending on the tire, it may get greasier as it gets hot
The tires are A052's which get really sticky with heat but i have to say i was expecting a lot better with these tires. I'm just going to switch to drag specific tires, this car has enough power and it's a dedicated drag car so it really should have drag tires anyways.
If MR2 Nate's MR2 is anything to go by, the weakest thing in the S54 is also the differential. I wonder how far it could go with an LSD that can handle more power.
Also just curious, is this the most powerful car you've driven now?
That's honestly not a bad question about the S54 and would be interesting to get an answer on it. Right now I'm dedicating my efforts to the narrow E series but perhaps someone else might look into the S54.
I've driven cars with more horsepower but this is the best power to weight ratio by far and it pushes you back in your seat to a ridiculous degree.
It would be interesting to know how much power the S54 could handle with an LSD, but I don’t want to spend the money to find out. Right not I have an E153 but I plan to upgrade to the E351 eventually.
Someone was saying spoder gear from c series is somehow an upgrade for s54 but idk
@@supers0nic77 The LSD from the Spyder transmission fits in the S54. The differential in the S54 is the weakest link, so upgrading it should make it stronger.
Dude, quit apologizing. You built a great car and it was your first run. Another 3-4 months and you'll be knocking on low 11s with this setup.
E153 is a beast, and good to ¬700hp, maybe you need dog gears?
The E153 is a shit transmission. It's overhyped for what it is. It has really tough gears but so much rotating mass that it can't shift reliably above 5000rpm especially the 1-2 shift but also the 2-3 shift. The problem gets even worse over time as the poor shifts cause accelerated wear. As for dog gears, i'd argue that once you take an E153 and replace the input shaft, the output shaft, all the gears and synchro elements and even the differential ring gear you're left with a case, shift rods and maybe a differential if that hasn't been upgraded also. You really don't have an E153, you have an E153 shaped transmission. Look at this page to see what gets replaced: www.sqsracing.com/produkt/422:528:toyota-celica-gt4-dog-box-racing-gearbox-mr2-turbo-e154-e51 hell, even the reverse idler gets replaced.
Good times. Love your reaction going down the strip. Get some more practice in and its got low 11s high 10s written all over it. Especially once that 60ft drops.
Yeah, that clip was too good to not show, it was a very visceral experience to be in a car that pulls that hard. 11's will be easy with some tweaks and 10's will come for sure. I'll be keeping you guys informed.
Yeah and that car was singing a great tune down the track
@@dingomanz7 yeah there's a lovely sound coming from that velocity stack intake and the short exhaust combo. It means business and was doing a good job turning heads at the track.
Hey question for you, what is the maximum horsepower a 07 avalon with the 2GR-FE and 5 speed transmission handle? Mainly wondering about the transmission.
Unfortunately i have zero experience with the transmission so i really can't help you answer that question. The engine seems to be able to put up to about 650whp with boost.
The engine can handle a lot of power. I have the U660, so the 6 speed auto, and am making around 400 at the crank. Zero issues with the trans.
The u151 in an 07… would likely die a quick death as soon as you get close to the power the stock 2gr in a mr2 makes, so ~280hp
@@001dman I doubt it. The U660 isn't much better than the U151, and it's been handling 7 psi of boost with my setup just fine.
@@630Cars u660e internally is a fair bit beefier than the u151. the 151 was behind weaker engines then thrown behind the 2gr before ultimately being replaced with the u660e. i've replaced my fair share of 151s that just burned up clutch packs.. u660 failures i've seen far less of - dealer experience
also Lotus puts u660s in the evora. so we know they can handle a bit (though RWD application wont have the wheel hop issue FWD does)
maybe straight cut gears for the e153 or even E351/355 trans. MR2 folks are making lots of power now and maybe the e153 ain't the answer anymore
This is the single most exotic sounding 2GR I've ever heard. One day I'm going to build one of these and your parts are the first thing I'll be buying.
That is the best sound that I’ve ever heard coming out of an SW20. Incredible stuff
You got ‘em tho
Hey dude! First off, congrats on that run! That set up sounds absolutely amazing! I have a 2013 is350 so I found your channel trying to find someone digging deep into the potential of these 2GR motors (and I also live in Indiana lol). Am I mistaken that you bought a 2GR-FSE fairly recently? Plugged off the port injection?
Sorry i think you have the wrong person. The 2GR-FSE is unfortunately a rather different motor despite the name being quite similar. A lot of the same ideas could be applied but the parts won't just bolt on.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks thank you for the clarification! It seems the FSE is a tough one to crack, but it is certainly fun watching your thorough process with making parts and unlocking the FE! Thank you for the reply
@@viceshark It's really not any tougher to crack than the 2GR-FE that i work on, the problem is that customers are really hard to come by on new products. Even with the large following i have it still usually takes me several years to even break even on these new products because nobody wants to be the first one to buy it. You just need someone with the willingness to invest more money than is reasonable in the platform and then spend a ton of time hyping it up to get people to buy it. The MR2 is a small market but they've proven over and over that they are willing to put money where their mouth is so i'm doing my best to support them.
How much money did you have to spend to make it get 400 hp
I developed the parts so the development costs are a lot higher than how much it would cost to repeat it. But all the parts can be purchased to make a copy of this for about $5k, there's a link in the description for all the parts.
WoodSport are the Bosses of MR2 tuning.
Luv and Peace.
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You do all this crazy good work *and* you’re a local?!? That’s badass! Keep it up you’re a huge inspiration 🔥
Super excited!!!!!
I really like the sound of the engine ! What is the exhaust system on the car ?
This uses my production Frankenstein Motorworks headers with the TCS y-pipe and a 3" straight through vibrant muffler. There are links to the headers and y-pipe in the description.
Awesome results, you would have been in the 11's easy with a better 60ft. You should be able to get it down into the 1.6-1.7 60ft range. Question, what is your approximate car weight with driver?
Yeah, for sure. There's a lot of time that will come off of that with just some practice. The car weighs about 2575lbs with the driver in it. There are some pieces missing in the car but i haven't properly done any weight reduction yet.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Holy crap! 2575lbs with the driver? Very nice!
@@myxalplyx This is a 1991 "all manual" car so it starts quite light. The driver could stand to lose some weight though :)
This is so wow. I picked up a very similar car too but i have power steering and auto trans i want to convert to manual. Idk which motor though. I did k swap in my zzw though
Wow that's the best sounding 2Gr ive heard so far, and that power output just seems so encouraging
Sort that shifting out and the time will improve massively. Your sleeping on that clutch.
Those AWD Siennas deserve a bit more power, not surprised by the desire from the community.
Just keep the long gears and if anyone asks tell them its a tribute to classic LeMans racers. Really incredible, best of luck with project, you are living the dream.
Raced a MR2 driver with this swap & now I want it in my FRS.
Needs lsd and definitely a short shift to 4th gear. Actually short shift all gear other than 1-2 to be able to shift “quickly” with the E153.
More clutch slip in 1st on the launch and with aforementioned short shifts, you’ll be running 11’s before you know it.
Congrats!
Great stuff! Keep it up!
i have an LSD and a spool here, trying to decide which way to go. probably leaning towards the LSD for now. Thankfully i'm not using the E153, the E153 is an absolute hot mess of a transmission that locks out high RPM shifts. I'm using An E355 but about to switch to an E351, same transmission but the E351 has shorter gears more appropriate for drag racing. I agree that 11's are going to be here soon. 10's should also be possible without a ton of extra work but it won't come for free.
Sounds fantastic! 117mph trap, super fast GOLLY!
Damn, I miss my 1993 MR2. Got it brand new and didn't get to 20K before getting stolen. That's what happens when you live in NYC...same damn thing happened to my 1989 MR2 as well. Great work!!!
I'm sorry to hear that but something to keep in mind if you did want to try again is that these modern engine swaps do include ECUs that have modern immobilizers on them to prevent that kind of issue.
@Frankensteinmotorworks, could you send a contact info as im rebuilding my 97 Corolla and intend to use the 2gr, and i need you to do some work for me as well as share your advice on my plan's
I can't share an e-mail here but my website is the same name as my channel it should come up easily on a search and there's a contact form there.
thumbs up
Your need final drive 4.18 celica gts 89 are corolla xrs 2010
The Mr2 is 4.31 the final driver
End de bornaw in 2do gear😂😂
I'll be using the 4.235 final drive from the 1st gen scion tC, it should work way better than the 3.625 that is in there right now.
Nice!!! keep up the good work
I’m curious: is the EDM diesel transmission you talk about the E357 from the Avensis?
Close, i'm using the E355
Still very fast for this car. 11s are definitely attainable.
Awesome video as always. I am interested about that diesel transmission. Is it a narrow type? I have the 352f and my final drive is 4.562. I have put the largest tires I could fit but I am looking at rather high rpm at cruise speed.
Yes, it's a narrow E series. It's the E355 from the 2001-2005 1CD-FTV Avensis Verso. It isn't the absolute tallest gear ratio available in the narrow e-series but it's rather close. The gearing really would make for a good highway cruiser.
Awesome motivation for my build. What HP do you think you can achieve in the long run for the 2GR NA?
I feel that with just a few more tweaks i'll get to 440whp and with a bit more effort i can likely eventually get to the magic 500whp number.
Can u make intake manifold for stock car ? 2016 Tacoma or lexus IS350
I will be doing tests soon to see if this ends up adding power to an otherwise stock motor.
A 1.6 60ft is completely double with semi slicks. But those initial numbers are good.
yeah, i'm trying hard to not overhype it though. 1.7 and 1.8 is regularly done with a 2GR MR2 so that's at least a good place to aim for to begin with. But yeah, better should be possible.
12.2 is still a damn solid number for a first pass cold. Judging by the shout, it boogies once it gets going. Caught up to the other car fast too despite the distance.
Yeah, that reaction was because it was literally the first time i had driven that car beyond parking lot speeds. It accelerates fast and then 4500rpm happens and it just hits harder and harder. It was rather ridiculous.
What about a cold air intake scoop on the roof?
better tires would help too. its def got a mid 11 in it for sure
I hope you make an adapter plate to mate a K series trans to the 2GR. The K trans may not be strong but I like the fact that the aftermarket is there.
We just need more aftermarket gears for the current Toyota eb60,e351s
Honestly that transmission is a huge step down, the narrow E series is a much better transmission and I'm working on building an aftermarket for it.
Yes, we need more aftermarket support on those transmissions. It's just such a shame that people started hoarding the EB60's and the price shot up. So many SW20 owners pick them up before realizing it does not work in there.
I just got my sw now i have to figure out what trans to get. Luckily the junkyards have older cars here because desert
Is there any possibility that the 2GR-FE shares a bellhousing pattern with a 1GR-FE? It would be fun to stuff this setup into a Tacoma, I just don't know what manual transmission would fit the most easily.
the bellhousing is shared with the 5VZ which has truck transmission options out there but some grinding will be required to make the starter fit.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Thanks for the input.
That first pass caught you for surprised lol that thing wanted to pull more 🙏🙏🙏
yeah, it wasn't so much about how 1st gear pulled but by the time this thing hits speeds that would be illegal on any highway in America this thing is still shoving you hard in the back of the seat. I've never quite felt anything like it before.
Man that sounds good. Glad I found your channel!
now time for some juice
That sound…this car is moving🔥
Now, I feel pretty stupid for buying a new-in-the-box E153 with a limited slip diff...😢
I would not feel bad about that, you just did what most of the MR2 community has been saying is the best plan for the last three decades. But yeah, if you're intended use for the car includes regular high RPM shifts you may want to reconsider the plan.
Should sell it to me for my aw11 2grfe swap 🙂
@@jesseneal1787 use a narrow e-series, you'll be MUCH happier with the resulting car.
Was it hard to obtain a European diesel transmission?
The transmissions are very available, the hard part is finding someone willing to ship overseas. I just got it from e-bay and asked to find out someone that would ship it internationally.
@9:24 ummm what, is that an NB just casually pulling away...da hell did they jam in that thing
Yeah, he had a much better launch. Plus that car was sporting a turbo K series making about 600whp. You can hear the turbo during the burnout.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks can't hear jack over the phat 2gr roar *Italian Finger kiss*
LOL!!!!
That thing sounds SAVAGE. Couldn't imagine one with a full ITB setup and that LSD installed in there. Shouldn't be hard at all to easily break well into the 11's. Nice work, thanks for sharing 👍
ITBs aren't as godly as people make them out to be, the velocity stack shape of the intake still makes the same sound with or without the throttle blades in the way and the plenum does not prevent that sound from escaping. A lot of what you're hearing already is just that, it's intake noise because the intake is so much closer to the microphone than the exhaust.
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Oh I don't doubt that the same principals of flow, velocity, fluid dynamics, etc are similar with the way your plenum is designed and whatnot. I think sound/ response wise on so many engines ITB's are a pretty good upgrade at least for a good amount of the older platforms, on an N.A. build especially where there aren't a lot of choices for bolt-ons and such. Obviously the ITB'S are only going to be as effective as they can be tuned for. If you can't tune for them with whatever software/ standalone you could even lose power, more obviously low end trq. My basis/ experience for ITB setups is really on the older CIS Motronic VW/ Audi engines. CIS in itself was such a large restriction with the whole air flow meter/ plate and fuel dizzy. Just eliminating the CIS and retrofitting an hot wire/ hot film MAF with Mega squirt, flashed EPROM, etc it's such a huge gain. You could get even more with a MAP on speed density. On something modern like these engines, K series, 1.8t, etc there are definitely much less gains and benefits to running a set of ITB's, I do agree wholeheartedly. I can also agree that the induction noise with your particular intake/ plenum setup is probably pretty damn similar noise/ response wise. Those are the two main reasons I think some folks are drawn to the idea of individual throttles. At the end of the day an engine is basically just a pump and all the same things really apply here for the most part. Good discussion, thank you. 😎
@@caveone-365 MAF sensors of old really have left a sour taste in people's mouth. I run this thing on MAF and it makes tuning an absolute breeze. Everything just works right and you always have the amount of fuel you're expecting. Of course the fact that i make a 3.5" MAF housing to avoid restrictions really does help a bunch.
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Oh no doubt there are gains to be had by just upgrading the MAF housing diameter/ tuning to make use of the larger volume from the increase in size. It's not out of the ordinary to see 20+ whp just from the larger housing if tuned accordingly for the changes in air/ fuel. The fact that you are running a 3.5" housing has got to be a big difference on a 4cyl with roughly around 2.5l of displacement. As an example, I have run a 3.5" MAF upgraded from the OEM 3," along with slightly larger injectors, and a flashed EPROM on an OBD1 BMW S50B30 and was able to get 25+ whp easily with just an 'off the shelf' burned EPROM, no standalone or Dyno tuning. It's common for the V8/ larger displacement guys to run a 4" housing no problem, as long as you are capable of supporting the upgrade. Not all ECU's are created equal as you know, but almost any later engine management has to be tuned to not make the car have screwed up AFR's. I think the only car I've installed a larger MAF on that didn't need a tune to run decent was one of my '95 BMW 540i/ 6 speeds. It was a M60B40, which is a 4.0l quad cam V8 with no vanos (variable cam timing.) It had a basic Bosch 404 DME with a socketed EPROM, so granted it would run okay after bigger MAF, injectors, etc you weren't getting all the gains you could without a custom burned chip. Definitely a hassle compared to running something like Haltech or MS3. Nobody wants to play around with burning chips after each mod/ adjustment rather than tuning on the fly via a laptop like a normal person would want to. Times and technology have definitely gone far from back in the days. Again, I enjoy the info/ discussion. It's easy to 'nerd out' on this stuff LOL 😆
Awesome!!
Ah man. You gotta build a sienna for the tow vehicle! 🤣🤣🤣
You’re doing great. Don’t be so hard on yourself. But keep going 🤙
As funny as that would be i actually have an F350 here i use for towing. It will show up in the channel at some point, i do have a rather big project to do on it.
The intake noise 😩
Yes, those velocity stacks are working overtime :)
can you tell us a little bit more about this European transmission? and the axles that you used?
It's the E355, it's from the 2001-2005 1CD-FTV Avensis Verso and it's got the 3.684 final drive and it's got a forward shift mechanism just like the MR2. Honestly the gearing in this would make for a great cruising vehicle, especially for someone putting on a bunch of highway miles.
I forgot to answer about the axles, Alex Wilhelm and I worked together to find axles and it's documented here: wilhelmraceworks.com/blog/e351-transmission-swap
I like the e355 probably really tough to get in the states
That limiter slaps hard 👌👌
Yeah, ignition cut only rev limiters are kinda fun :)
what's the vehicle weigh?
Right now about 2575 with driver, there are some parts missing because that's how i bought the car but there hasn't really been any real weight reduction yet.
Incredible ❤❤❤ please do a 2gr-fse PLEASE
Love the videos, the story.
Congratulations.
Thanks for being subscribed and sticking around for so long. I appreciate it. This was a ton of fun and there's more to come for sure.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks I get a lot of ideas from watching these... there's so much info contained herein, I watch each one several times. Thanks again.
The SOUNDS... 😲
Yeah, it has that exotic note to it, doesn't it :) The 2GR always sounds fantastic as long as the piping is relatively close to equal length.
Sounds great
Thanks, the helmet mounted go-pro does a good job of capturing the induction noises.
The mph tells you what you need to know. Car must be super heavy or have a over generous dyno.
The car has super tall gears and is getting 0.5s slower 60' time than cars that read 100whp lower on the exact same dyno. Also, notice how the 3-4 shift happens at just the wrong time so the car is likely not at it's top speed when it crosses the line. No matter though, i'm not just going to sit here and imagine what it could do, i will fix the gearing and try again.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks keep at it man. If that is making 400 wheel it will for sure become a much more aggressive car when figured out.
I don’t know much about them so I’m enjoying the content in it so learn something I didn’t have much knowledge about before. Did you have engine pics?
That is an awesome power to weight ratio!
Yeah, The power side of that equation is doing great, i just need to work on the weight side of it now. There's a ton of weight to drop at this point, at least 200lbs will come quite easy and there's quite a bit more possible without a ridiculous amount of work before needing any kind of carbon fiber anything.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks That is awesome. My mini is 2,700 lbs and ~200 at the wheels so ~2,000 lbs and 400hp is hard to imagine. My Dad’s SVT cobra was 400 at the wheels and 3,665 lbs. It felt so fast, but your machine would destroy it. Awesome accomplishment already! 👏
Hey, do you have an outside run ?
Unfortunately this was a last minute thing and i was solo at the track. I did hand my camera to a spectator and i did get footage but it's too low quality to post.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks also your cast exhaust manifolds, do you know if they fit all 2grfe cars ? And do you plan on offering a 2.5 inch collector option ? I love the durability aspect of them i just dont see myself running anything under 2.5" duals.
@@2zztercel558 The collector does not match any OEM location so they will not directly bolt on to any OEM application but they should fit any 2GR-FE that does not have a belt driven power steering pump. There's no 2.5" outlet planned at the moment but it would be trivial to expand it right after the collector. It not unusual for the collector to be slightly tighter than the rest of the exhaust.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks so it doesnt fit most cars, thanks
@@FrankensteinMotorworks if you ever do a version that clears the powersteering pump, transfer case and has 2.5" exits you will sell a lot. Until then more power to the mr2 community and less to the rest of 2gr fans i guess lol
hey, i've been locked out of the discord for a few months. it says i have to verify my phone number, but discord doesn't recognize it.
can you just set it up where everyone has to react using specific emotes so a bot can assign access to the channels? that seems like the best way to get rid of spammers and getting around discord's stupid phone number verification system.
also, phone numbers should never be used for 2-factor authentication since they can be easily stolen using sim-swap attacks.
Don’t worry about the launch. Them gear changes could fit buses between them lol
The rule of thumb is 1/10th of the 60ft is worth 2/10ths off the quarter mile time.
If he can get his 60ft to 1.8ish or quicker he'll be well into the 11s.
Gear change time might give him an extra mph or three, but the launch is make or break!
Yeah, particularly that 1-2 gets the car out of it's power band. The gears i'm looking to go to will put 2nd closer to 1st so the 1-2 shift does not get out of the power band.
There's a bunch of estimates out there for what the 60' does to the quarter mile time but they all agree that whatever gains you manage in the 60' ends up being a bigger gain in the ET and the 2GR should have no problems pulling off a 1.7 60' time so yeah, a better launch with better gearing will certainly get this thing in the 11's.
Some radials, a good dialed in suspension... and I can see this hitting high 10s 🫡 keep up the great work dude, love seeing these odd ball engine builds
Holyshiiitttt
Exactly :)