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CR Touch vs BL Touch - NEW Creality Auto Bed Level Sensor Review
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2024
- Creality 3D is launching their OWN version of an Automatic Bed Level Sensor called the CR-Touch. So the obvious question is, Is the CR Touch BETTER than the BL Touch? Or maybe, What are the Differences between the CRTouch and the BL Touch. Find out in this video as I show you the Creality CR Touch and compare it to an official ANTCLABS BL-Touch.
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0:00 - Intro
0:30 - Disclosure
1:00 - Unboxing
2:54 - Mainboard Requirements
3:25 - Installation
5:15 - Firmware
7:12 - Comparison to BL Touch
8:36 - Size Comparison
9:27 - Head to Head Testing
11:45 - Pricing
12:15 - Conclusion
13:34 - Outro
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Yes! Finally someone with pictures of the inside and it reveals ... an optical sensor! That alone makes this thing so much better than a BLtouch. No more interference from nearby magnetic items or electromagnetic fields. A lot less tuning required to get it to trigger consistently (because of the Hall sensor in a BL-touch). And the mechanism to deploy the pin seems much more robust - from the movies I saw I guess it needs to be actively deployed, so no more risk of the pin dropping by heavy shaking of the gantry. This looks like a winner to me ... except for the price maybe, but I guess it won't take long for cheap clones to appear and because of the less tricky technology in here, I think those clones will be way better than even an original BL-touch. This might get me away from building my own (servo + opto-sensor) probes ...
Everything you said seems pretty accurate to me. The probe does need to be energized to extend so it fails safe (barring mechanical binding of course).
As for testing while power cycling, if / when I get wiring to testing on other machines I’ll see about doing that.
The price is a fair but more than a standalone BL touch but I’m already seeing these kits for the CR Touch with like $5-6 off coupon codes on Amazon. So seeing them around $40 isn’t far off I’d bet.
@@MandicReally So in your opinion should I get the BL touch or CR touch for my Ender 3 Pro?
@@kenopyowo cr, I just went threw all this lol
@@jimsinnovations2737 ah shit i just recently got a bl touch. lets see how this goes. I haven't installed it yet, im printing the hero me gen5 first
@@kenopyowo it's awesome make sure take Off that one z step on bottom
I always think I should add a BL touch of some sort on my machines, but then I remember I manually bed level the machines like once every 6 months, if that. I think the glass bed helps.
In a way they are over rated. If you do a good manual level, I think the only advantage of Auto Bed Leveling is it usually probes more points and compensates, but only on the 1st layer. I used to auto level before every print, but that is slow and really no need so I stopped doing that.
They help if your bed is warped. Which glass should not be…
@@timothymusson5040 ideally glass doesn’t warp. In practice it does, though. I had a glass bed that started out flat, but took on a slight “taco” warp within a few months. Addition of the BL Touch helped deal with that. I now mostly print to a steel plate with a smooth PEI sheet, and that’s working for me right now. I run the bed probing maybe every ten prints or so.
@@timothymusson5040 My bed is so warped that even glass doesn't fix it.
Except when it breaks. Which mine did after 2 weeks.
I just bought this kit for $32. I got a SD card with all the instructions pre installed on it, and setting it up was very easy. All 3 brackets are also included!
Where from?
From Ali express
amazon
wich one? BL or CL?
Niiice, you showed the insides and it's just how I understood it from their page: it's got an optical sensor on it, instead of the magnetic one. Love seeing the insides of stuff. Also the M48 was exactly what I was looking for. That's far more accurate than I was expecting (frankly the BL Touch also did surprise me, I thought it wasn't gonna be as high either).
you are honestly a lifesaver for giving us that software i have been searching for days lmao
Sir! Very well done! Oh my goodness. No kidding my son and I are 3 weeks deep into our new 3D printing hobby. We have an Ender 3. I Ordered the CR touch and tried to install it yesterday. First step was to watch the two minute Creality install video. LMAO Sir I said to my son “it looks too easy to be true”. First hurdle was an absolute struggle to figure out which dad gum frimware to use. The instructions from a neonates perspective are awful. Figured out the firmware and ran into the wall that is the Z offset. Oh man! I didn’t get too frustrated because I accepted it was beyond me at that point so I walked away for the evening. In my trouble shooting research I actually saw a thread that mentioned the Marlin Z Offset Wizzard but crawling then walking came to mind. I might give that a shot as I patiently await your Z Offset solution. I appreciate your work and I’ll compensate your time through purchases through your sites etc.
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Great video, but I think the firmware story is everything. There's so much in the marlin firmware that makes life easier that Creality could ship if they could be bothered to put in the dev time. The marlin corners wizard, both in probe and non probe varieties is probably the most helpful thing I can think of that's missing, but it's been a while since I used Creality stock firmware.
0.04 accuracy is a full step of your z, you need a well sorted printer to benefit from less than that, and my experience of bl-touch and the better clones is they're mostly within one microstep and variance might be because the true reading is closer or further away from an exact step.
Great video. I bought an E3V2 really early on and attempted to put a BLTouch on it right away. Fighting with firmware and not wanting to compile my own, I abandoned it. I struggled with manual bed leveling for too long and some nozzle clogs. Then my E3V2 became a nice dust collector for nearly a year. Anyway, this video inspired me to put a little effort back into getting it up and running. Bought the CRTouch, reverted from a direct drive modification and went back to a stock setup with this ABL sensor. I'm now printing really high quality prints again with ease and loving it. Thanks for the great video!
Download the Jyers marlin firmware for the E3v2. It's like getting a whole new printer. Makes it seem like a an E3v11.
@@TheTurbinator Your right! Night and day difference. My Ender 3 V2 prints beautifully now. Jyers really did an outstanding job.
This video was filmed really nicely. The lighting, the camera work, the editing, everything looks super professional. Keep up the good work.
This is a pretty high quality video, you should have more than 739 subscribers.
Thank you very much. I'm plugging away at making more content, hopefully the subscribers catch out.
Well he is close to doubling that number now!
I'm glad to see more competition of bed leveling sensors that aren't just copies of the BL Touch. I went with BL touch to support them though. If I need a sensor on a new printer I'll certainly consider the CR Touch.
First video coming from TikTok, great production value👍🏼 One of my new favorite printing channels out there.
That being said I told myself from the beginning to ‘learn the hard way’ and forget the bl-touch; wanting to master manually leveling the bed before buying one. I felt like I had, so I purchased the CR touch after watching this video and I’m glad I did. First layers are nearly perfect every time and it takes some of the worry out of starting a print and wondering if it’ll survive 😂 only issue I seem to have with mine is the rattle coming from the metal touch probe as it prints, but I’ll live with it for now
Thank you. I agree that is the best way to go. A Bed Level sensor is just a "nice to have" that supplements a good manual leveling. Supposedly they have updated the CR-Touch to deal with the rattle. My original one never really had that issue but I have one of the new ones too to see if it happens on the updated design. Just haven't had any time to mess with it yet.
I originally found you on TT. But i have to admit, this was a very professional and informative video. Honestly, i could see you doing this professionally for a living. Keep up the good work and I'll be waiting for new videos to appear.
I bought the CR touch because of this video! Works great after I worked through the nightmare that was the z offset. The directions were..... not good. You should do a video on calibrating it:-) I'm excited for the ender 3 v2 display to be natively supported by Marlin. Might get to use that magically Z Offset Wizard you speak of.
I started working on a Z Offset video today after quite a few folks asking.
@@MandicReally video released?
@@MandicReally video released?
Link to the video? Please. My S1 will be in Thursday. I'm starting from nothing. Lol. Can't find anyone local that does this yet.
@@MandicReally Any update on this release of the video?
Well the CR Touch has two things I like about it that I didn't like about the original: the flimsy probe is gone and it doesn't look god awful anymore. The flickering led inside the white chassis just really looked out of place on any of my 3D printers/
I didn't like the lights because I have a camera with octoprint and it just lights up the whole frame - very distracting.
I give up on using a feeler gauge or paper. Doing it for nearly four years, enough is enough. Time for ABL thank you for the most useful and above all helpful tutorial.
I've seen a LOT of 3DP videos. I don't think I've ever seen this subscriber count (1.2k @ time of writing) and this quality of content.
I also don't think I've subbed after watching 1 short video from a channel. SUBBED
I’m running tiny machines firmware with my cr10s with the bl touch. If I went with the cr touch would I need to flash with the creality firmware or is it plug and play once one or the other is already in place?
Just purchased in 2023 kit is the same... same issues I am having issues seeing up firmware and offset! Thanks for this review
Firstly thank you for confirming that it's a straight swap with the BL. Something that amuses me is how many install videos feed the big end into the board and mention the difficulty, but when I installed the BL I ran the small end out the other way and it was easy
You should probably have shared the standard deviation for the m48, the average is good, but a repeatability once of 0 and once of 0.002 would average out to 0.001.
hey! i was your 1K! Dope, i enjoy using your nuke and keg barrel design!
Thank you for carrying us over the line! And glad you like the designs. 👌🏻👍🏻
Loved your fabrication content, glad I stumbled on this channel!
Thanks for being here! Fabrication content will be ramping back up more in the near future too!
I really like the placement of the port on top. The metal probe is interesting and I like the general look.
So I have a CR-10 v2 and had a horrible time with leveling. I purchased a BL touch and thought the instructions were horrid and never attached it. Ultimately this killed my desire to print. This was probably 2 years ago. I got the bug again but instead bought a CR-6 se with auto bed leveling and this has been a night and day difference. After seeing this, I will probably purchase a CR Touch and try to resurrect my CR 10 v2. Thank you!
Old versions of bltouch used to come with metal probe. But they moved to plastic as the metal in the probe would expand and measure longer in heated situations
I have a 3dtouch, the oin looks like metal, but its not, well its plastic with a metal cover...i think thats its was yuo saw
I am pretty grumpy about this purchase, from the CREALITY website, the ENDER 3-v2 with the 4.2.2 board and the CR-TOUCH sensor, and put it together, had fun doing that, and printed out the PDF instructions and for the HOW-TO slicer software and put all that into a 3 ring binder and one step at a time, finally get to turn the power on..... 90 hours later (no joke) going down a rabbit hole of common problems that folks have as I trouble shoot the many problems my unit has from the factory, shorted out cables, which torched the drivers of the motherboard, the powersupply has a fluttering output of 19vDC to 36vDC with a 2 ms dropout approx every 20 ms when I hook this piece of junk up to the oscilloscope, the Z-axis is intermittent due to poorly constructed cable. I can go on and on about how depressing this whole thing has been. yet, I am at a stand still as I am now expected to wait on an email from CREALITY, which I did get, but it was first needing to confirm that I did buy a machine from them, "proof of purchase" which is fine, but now I wait... I was reading a few REDDIT post, and folks there were saying, it may take months before they reply back, just hoping you will go away... That breaks my heart. as I was super excited for this and didn't mind spending the additional $80 to $100 USD buying it through the CREALITY website, in hopes that would mean I am getting an untampered with new unit, vs. some of the issues I have had with AMAZON resellers and affiliates, which sent out NEW but ended up being used, LOL... Nah, my experiece with this has been exceptionally irritating.
Was a little ironic that you said how confusing their website was to find the firmware, added that you had a link to the one file that worked for you...but ended up just linking to their confusing website anyway. Other than that, it was a pretty neat video.
Please ask Creality to make the 5015 blower available to purchase, as it's the best blower fan I've every seen on any of these printers. WE NEED THIS BLOWER available to the customer base who have placed their trust into Creality and purchased one of their printers. Thanks.
So glad i discovered your Chanel
I bought a cheap knock off BL touch and kept having issues with it dropping the probe when the nozzle went to do the prime at the edge. So I bought a genuine BL touch and it did the same thing. When I updated Cura the problem went away. Neither ABL sensors have any issues now. I don't know about accuracy, but the $24 cheaper works just fine.
Loved the video and your testing method, and have the BL and CR Touch and am thinking of installing the CR and giving it a try. There is one additional comment on the differences between the BL and CR which may be a deciding factor for someone using the CR Touch, i.e. it doesn't require a leveling screw. The biggest pain point I've had with the BL Touch is the probe randomly deciding to not drop, and using the adjustment screw is hit-and-miss. Also when cleaning or replacing the probe on the BL Touch the set screw needs to be recalibrated, so not having to worry about the set screw fine tuning is a bonus.
Thank you for this excellent breakdown. I just replaced my original Ender 3 V1.1.4 board with a V4.2.7 and am working on setting up a CR Touch for the first time. As of Sept. 2022, it appears that the "2020-04-25" BLTouch Merlin firmware is still the most current copy. My only big complaint about Creality is exactly as you described. Their instructions and repositories are a complete mess. Every new Creality accessory I buy sends me to a different URL that is usually a dead link or entirely foreign (Chinese) page.
I am very thankful for channels like this one that understand how to communicate information targeted toward the consumer/hobbyist instead of engineers/professionals.
Even though I'll be done with this project today, I'd still like to request a video on tuning Z-Offsets in this scenario as you mentioned. It would be extremely helpful to people like me who don't tend to mess around in the controls/firmware very often because of how much niche and conflicting information is out there. I think people will be making these upgrades on the Ender 3 series for many years to come and your presentation style for this would be incredibly helpful and appreciated! Thanks again for your effort and sharing your wisdom with the rest of us!
Can you put the firmware they sent you back in the description? The current firmware on their website doesn't work for me. I can't go below 0 on Z offset.
Please test the BLtouch while turning hotend and bed heating on and off. I've had that significantly influence 3D-touch results, I think because of the current spikes causing EM pulses throwing off the Hall sensor. The original BLtouch might be "tuned" to better avoid this, but gimme an optical sensor over a Hall sensor any day ...
Is there more data on this topic?
Getting the CR touch today. I’ll let you know. I’m also adding it to my Creality Direct Drive on my Ender 3 v2 .
This is how a review should be done!
I am so getting one. Getting tired already of having to keep making those fine adjustments all the time. I just want to print.
My BL needed to be replaced on my Ender 5+ (with Creality Silent board) so I ordered the CR. After mounting the CR I ran into issues with the bed continually lowering. I tried getting assistance from Creality and Ender groups but no resolution. I ended up ordering another BL and returning the CR. The only thing I could figure is that the CR wasn't compatible with silent board, even with firmware updates.
11:17 The visualizations require a known 100% accurate control to be of actual value against each other. Otherwise you would have conflicting images w/ no real understanding of which is correct. However, the accuracy values, and those images you've shown basically say the 2 are within margin of error of each other.
The point of including the visualizations was that in the absence of a known good value, all we could do is compare the readings between the two to see if they were reading similarly. The visualizations show they are. As you noted, I did provide more data than JUST the visualizations though.
Yes they are arguably just margin of error from one another, that was largely my point here. I wasn't trying to tell folks "BL TOUCH IS NOT ACCURATE!" just show whether Creality's offering is comparable. Many people automatically assumed the CR Touch was a cheap knock-off off the BL Touch that would not be as good. I set out to see if that was accurate and found it was not.
This isn't meant to be a scientific study of the effectiveness of a Probe Type bed level sensor, just a comparison of two against each other. Arguably in this instance the BL Touch IS the "Control" as it is the most widely adopted Touch Type probe on the market.
To be honest, I do not want to approach any sort of auto bed leveling anymore. When I bought my first 3D printer Ender 3V2 I didn't have any experience at all, and bed leveling was super hard for me. Especially with the stock firmware. So after a few weeks I bought an original BLT. And it was even worse than manual. I usually used to stay with my printer for the first to layers to check if it is okay, and the nozzle will not crush into the bed. I thought that my pain was ended with the BLT. First time I plug it, adjust the z offset and all of that, start a test print. To my horror, the level failed, but I didn't know that yet, it just started flashing red. The result was that the probe git the bed, and bended. Lucky I could bend it back, but still try after try, the BLT would crush in the probing phase. Somehow, magically it stopped failing, but the results were not great. It was not able to probe correctly and it was always off my few mm here and there. In the result I found Jyers firmware and it is THE best thing you can do, for you Ender 3. The version with 3x3 manual mesh is a miracle. I calibrate it ones or twice a year and I don't have to think about anything y anymore. I just start the print and go away and I know that the print will come out perfect. The best feeling in the world. Install Jyers firmware.
Best video totally sold me on it I am putting it on a Promega creality core-z I'm working on
I had nothing but trouble from my BL Touch. I am an engineer. I watched every video out there. It just kept sticking. I should have sent it back, but I am stubborn. I watched this video. Bought the CR Touch. It has worked flawlessly for weeks now. I probably got a bad BL Touch so I am not saying don't buy one. But I value my time and the CR Touch has been perfect.
I bought an ender 3 s1 from microcenter as my first printer because there was a deal and was only $200, it comes stock with a CRtouch and i love it, i manually tram then run abl, with PVA glue i get a nice flat first layer every time
I added this to my cr10s pro v2 which i read wouldnt work at all. But i plugged it in and it works fine without any firmware updates. Its literally plug and play. Just need to flip the bracket round that the bl touch used and adjust the spacing
I would happily swap the stylish box for some decent instructions. Has anyone successfully installed a CR Touch on a Cr 10v2?
In my opinion and experience I prefer the inductive probes, are more precise, what do you think?
Yes, assuming your bed is not warped.
My BL Touch just bent its pin for the second time and is now failing. Thanks for your video I'm getting the CR-Touch now.
That 72 nanometer difference in repeatability variance, has absolute zero impact on actual printing - it's orders of magnitude beyond the accuracy of the stepper motors. It could easily be accounted for by EMI, thermal expansion etc - or just compression of the probe tip.
Personally I'd be more interested in absolute numbers with a precision control. Maybe support the bed so it cannot bow from weight, then first probe straight on the bed. Next, probe against a size calibration block placed in the same spot?
It's nice to have tight _repeatability_ - but it doesn't do you much good if it turns out the absolute distance reading is poorly calibrated, generally inaccurate, or doesn't scale linearly with real distance. Like lets assume the printer's movement system was highly accurate. And the _repeatability_ of a probe reading is 60-80 nanometers, with an absolute distance reading of 0.2mm, when the real world distance is 0.12mm (so the absolute reading is off, enough that a 1st layer squish with a small nozzle could end in a crash). And then the next spot is reading 0.51mm, while the real distance is 0.3mm (turns out its absolute distance readings doesn't scale linearly with real distance either). A bit in the extreme, but hopefully it illustrates my thinking..
Pre production? I got mine a couple of weeks before this video from Amazon for a few bucks cheaper than the bl touch ($34). I fed the lead through the loom from the pcb side, it’s easy. I downloaded and installed the Jyers firmware and totally recommend it.
Good review!
What did you put it on ender3?
I recently purchased and installed and they did update the kit. I still had an issue with the firmware that i downloaded from the site. After loading sd card my screen was blank. I ended up trying the firmware that came on the sd card they sent and after trying a couple the ender 3 pro version load and flashed properly. I ran some mobility tests and was found i had a loose wire on one of the stepper motors. In the process of troubleshooting that i tried the other firmwares i download and they loaded and flashed properly after that. I’m not sure what i did wrong but it’ll seems to be working now. So far I’m really liking the CR Touch. I wish i had found this video before i attempted the install though!
Thanks for all the detail. The part about “z axis offset” really helped me. I didn’t know what this meant. I installed my CR Touch and got usable firmware that works with my touchscreen on my Ender 3 but I had almost no success with it, I suspect because I didn’t do the z axis offset. I’ll retry my CR Touch with this info.
Hey, very nice in depth review, you helped me decide to get a CR Touch instead of a BL Touch! Just one question, my CR Touch has a rattle, vibration noise, when my printer moves the print assembly in the X axis. I tracked it down to the actual probe metal tip, if I just touch it stops rattling against the plastic body. Have you had any level of rattling noise on your tests?
Good shit. I was about to go crazy and break shit. You saved me a lot emotions. I got to print a lot of things.
Nice video bro. Fast, Short and direct. Keep the same way to teach. Thanks.
After all the hard work replacing anything that made noise on my Ender 3 v2 my BL Touch died and I replaced it with one of these. Now I have the metal probe contantly rattling and driving me nuts. Argh!
That rattle is absolutely insane! It's louder than my fan and steppers. If I'd known it was this bad I'd have bought the BL Touch instead
Hello beginner here, I would really love the probe offset wizard video you were talking about. This thing is driving me crazy.
I've found firmware and configurations like this to be... problematic details to cover in my style unfortunately. I simply do not have to the time to be a go-to support system for folks and my emails fill up with questions after I cover those topics so I've had to steer away from them unfortunately.
Michael over at Teaching Tech has done a good video on the topic of Z-Offset and Z-Probe Wizard, the problem is that the Z-Wizard requires a firmware that has it enabled. So to cover it, I really have to cover firmware compiling, and it snowballs fast. Here is Michael's video: ua-cam.com/video/fN_ndWvXGBQ/v-deo.html
thanks, i got a couple old a8 plus's i'm about to retrofit and think this would be a good addition to the design
i love when they says auto leveling yet you still need to level it out its a helper at best
I've had an ender 3 pro over 3 weeks now, I just learned today that the z-offset on a cr-touch printer means the distance between the probe and the nozzle, i thought it was a setting for overpressing the bed and it was about signaling the probe where the bed was and not the other way around
I just ordered a BL touch before this video because it was on sale for $30 and I actually went and canceled the order and ordered a CR touch. The CR looks so much cleaner and nicer, more “factory” looking and looks better built.
How does the auto-leveling work if you can only level the board by hand anyway?
The machine used the Z axis to actively move the print head up and down to compensate for the bed level readings. So just like it actively moved X/Y while printing it will move Z slightly.
However Auto Bed Leveling is not a replacement for manual leveling. It’s only a nice addition to it. Starting with a bed that is well manually leveled will allow the auto level to work much better.
Is the CR touch compatible with the CR 10 V2?
Thanks for this video. I also would like Creality to update their firmware more often. Why is it so hard to find a version of their firmware that has both the filament runout sensor and the auto-bed leveling? Sigh.
Do you have one?
Go for Jyers, so much better than stock.
@@MysteryDuels I have both parts of hardware. Still looking for firmware that has both active in it. Not confident in compiling my own.
im still struggling to find a firmware that isnt 180 out. most annoying
I was also hesitant to compile my own version of Jyers but it turned out to be really simple. Just edit two files with the desired options and press a button to compile. Super easy. Check out Brians video for step by step: ua-cam.com/video/so0FfFVEmiw/v-deo.html
gettin one soon because of this review
Still somewhat confusing for this noob. I will be getting this , along with the 4.2.7 board and V2 Display to update my Ender 3 PRO in a big way. I get the install and even the firmware upgrade to enable the touch sensor. What I don't see a lot of info on is how to set up the height of the probe relative to the nozzle and what other changes are needed to get this to work. YOu touched on one I had not heard but it makes sense - I wont need the Z switch any longer as the CR Touch will take care of this. Thank you for a great video.
been a couple years, still isnt clear: do i remove the Z axis stopper or not? some say yes, some manuals say no. troubleshooting this install is tricky.
I am running a Creality CR-X printer and it has a BL-Touch currently installed on it the main board is the creality v2.1.1 and due to mishap I had I am replacing that board with a Creality v2.2 board since the BL-Touch was operating fine, do you think the CR -Touch will work it can be mounted in the same location which is on the right side of the hotend and I still will have to get the correct firmware and because of what you mentioned I am a little leary I really like the aspect of the metal probe instead of the plastic one. In subsequent Bed levelings I get a difference that I feel falls out side of the range so am looking for a better way or product
I just put the direct drive upgrade on my Ender 3. I'm assuming the CR Touch fits just the same?
Great video and useful information, just a heads up - I just got in a BL Touch yesterday from Amazon, it came with nothing! ZIP nadda - no diagrams, instructions and worse it did not come with the mounting bracket, so now I have to take time from my day to build a bracket myself. Very disappointed and wish I'd gone with the CR Touch after watching your video.
Creality has a newer updated firmware on there site now for the cr touch. It seems to be a more up to date version of Marlin with way more features. I tried cfw but it didn't let me adjust the z offset at all. The only issue I have with creality's firmware is that I can't adjust the z offset with baby stepping.
If you plug into the printer, you can send a specific z-offset, if you need something in between. I have never needed more resolution myself. The gcode is M851.
So if you need a z-probe offset of -2.521 you send 'M851 Z-2.521'
Does this only work with Creality-provided firmware and boards, or can we use it with BL-Touch enabled Marlin firmware on an SKR Mini E3 v2?
Despite them being entirely different sensors the Firmware views them the same way. So yes you can use it with a BTT Board and just configure Marlin as if it was a BL Touch. That is how I compiled my own firmware for the 4.2.2 board. I haven't installed it on my machine with the SKR Mini E3 in it, but the Firmware should not care at all and the port wiring is the same.
@@MandicReally that means that you can simply replace the bl-touch with the cr touch? too lazy to open up my printer now. and i do want to replace my bl touch as the stick got warped due to a non sticking print...
@@PtR-ec1wz you should be able to, yes. I’ve done it a couple times. On my Elegoo Neptune 2 it didn’t work, for no reason I can discern. But everywhere else I’ve tried it’s been fine. (Creality and BTT boards.
man i really like the tunnel u have in yo ears :D interesting position ngl als great vid, i have my ender 3 pro for 3 yrs now and barely used it after a while, currently im getting back into and getting some upgrades. even tho i probably wont get autoleveling since my printer is still almost full stock, i have alot of other stuff to upgrade :D
One thing that there definitely needs to be better instructions on (in general) is setting the z offset using the touch probes. Some of the youtube vids on it are way too verbose. Its been like asking for the time and having someone tell you how to build a clock. I just wanted a cookbook method - do this, this this and it will work. Oddly my biggest pet peeve about the BL touch has been the lights in it. I use octoprint with a camera and the lights are distracting on the frame. The BL touch itself has been very repeatable - no complaints there.
I ordered the CL touch and it doesn’t seem to help me with leveling.
It runs but it doesn’t actually move the Z up or down based on the bed. Not sure. About to give up and sell my printer
would you have changed to the cr touch if the bl touch was the last sensor you tested on the machine, or was it just "it's the one thats on there, no reason to change"?
So it works with the Merlin wizard or do I have to use the creality one? And if so then good but how do I upload the Merlin program onto the printer itself because that is something I need to know as I haven’t done this at all. Also can I just change the code to enable the settings in merlin by just clicking it and so on? I’m not great with code
You said both your machines are 4.2.2 but the firmware they sent you was 4.2.7 only …. A bit confusing. Do you have the compiled marlin software available at all?
WOW! Finally, a creator who knows 3D printing AND video production! I have watched so many channels with good content, but terrible audio and/or video. A certain channel for 3D printing has a huge number of pattern supporters, but uses the on camera mic.
I have a Geeetech A20M and a 3D Touch that works, ok. I'm thinking about buying the Ender 3-s because I have so many issues with getting my A20M to work, and that printer comes with the CR touch installed.
Bl Touch or CR Touch uses the same firmware?
I have an Creality Sermoon D1 and as the bltouch firmware is now online I would like to know if I can buy a CR-Touch or I must have to buy the BL-Touch
Is the firmware and manual situation better now in Dec 2023?
Is a breeze to fit it to a SKR board too, same 5 wires as BL-Touch.
I’m late to this party but oh well🤷♂️
I just purchased a ender3 roughly 3 weeks ago, I am probably on my fourth or fifth print as of right now. And I am working on a design of my own for something that my wife needs.
The biggest pain in the ass for me right now is getting the correct Height for printing.
I believe I am going to pick up the CR touch, to assist me in that end. My biggest reservation is I don’t exactly know how to do all the firmware updates to make everything function. Installing it Mechanically is not a problem.
I guess there is “nothing to it but to do it” and see how it goes. If anyone has any suggestions. I am definitely all ears
Got 3D touch for $10, works no problem
I installed the cr touch i also had the filament runout sensor prior to the cr touch filament worked great. I put on the cr touch installed the firmware. the auto home is not working cr touch will not detect the z. The filament sensor no longer has a setting on the control panel. what can i do to fix this?
thanks
Nick
can this be used on other printers other than Creality? I ask because i have one on the S1 Plus and it is great BUT i don't see myself dismantling just to test :)
The fact that 2 years later and this now cost under $30 is crazy. Gotta love pricing actually making since in this modern crap shoot of pricing
Nice test on both devices. However, I'm missing an important (IMHO) test. Heat resistance. BLtouch melts on heated chambers. It'd be fine to check if the CRTouch has better heat resistance in those situations. ;-)
Definitely would be interesting to see the results. None of my machines run chambers so not something I’ll be testing anytime soon. Maybe eventually I can find a good situation to test that. 👌🏻
I have and ender 3 I Installed the cr touch and all is good. But for some reason one corner of my built plate no prints will stick to it. I have looked all over for someo e to show me where I should set the manual bed level adjustment knobs so I can get a fair reading. Everything I've seen people have there z offset set to -1.0 to almost -2.0. But mine is like -0.2. Why is that.
The "Smoked Plastic" reminds me of my N64
Thank God for UA-cam
Where is the info on setting the Z axis? Thanks. Great video
Where is the download you used as it's not listed in the description. Please and thank you kindly
I have an Ender 5 Plus with a 32 bit 2.2.1 main board, will the CR Touch work with my printer??
I opted for the CR Touch mostly because of the probe sturdiness and I liked the look. I found it difficult to install the cable and had to take it off my 3d printer in order to plug the cable in. Also, on the cable I received the blue and red wires were swapped though luckily they were swapped on both ends so it did not affect the operation. It works well though the mesh is not centered on the build plate. Probably because after I installed the Micro Swiss Direct drive, the nozzle homes off the build plate now.
do you have a pin out based on the color of the cable for the CR Touch. i would like to use the CR touch with a different board.
My BL Touch just stopped working... this review came at a good time. Insted of ordering a new probe, i'll just upgrade the gizmo. Hoping this one has a longer life than just a few months.
I hope it works well for you. The one thing I can't factor into reviews like this is Long Term testing. Just not enough time for that to be realistic while still getting a review out in a timely manner. The ONLY issue I've had so far was it didn't work on my Elegoo Neptune 2 at all. However that system is... funky even with the BL Touch (I'll discuss it in a dedicated video soon). So who knows what was up there.
Installed bltouch on my ender 3 and when I hit level bed, it starts off the left front of the bed and stops. Any ideas?
thanks for the video but you mention the z probe offset and do not say how to set it whitout the wizard
Hey I am new “ish” to printing. I just installed a CR touch and now I am having a auto home issue where it’s just saying it is “halted please reset” any help would be greatly appreciated