Ahoi! I’m in Madison and am considering a com-pac 16 for lakes both local and great. Love the video and getting to see how the boat reacts with a bit too much sail up, seems like the both of you are pretty well acquainted with how it handles. Any chance I could barter for a day sail with you guys before I join the club?
@@JonasRoss-g6n I get that boat down to Madison a handful of times a year. Work schedules and weather makes trailer sailing unpredictable. It would be difficult to coordinate the next outing. We can try and answer your questions about the pros and cons of this particular boat. I’m sure a phone call could be arranged.
Loved your Florida video (this one too). I’m a West coaster looking into getting a Com Pac 16 and have a question about the different configurations. I know some of the later models have a centerboard to help in pointing. Is that an option that varies from boat to boat or was it standard on later models. Does your boat have the centerboard and if so, how much does it compromise the cabin floor? Thanks for your posts.
@@timneely946 No center board on mine. I think it was an option for the last few hulls produced. I saw one for sale not too long ago. Spendy. I recall the little keel contained the center board and the floor seemed the same. Don’t quote me though. This one does OK if you can keep the speed up. Light wind it sideslips. A good foil rudder is essential. The beauty of the little keel is it’s pretty tough for beaching/trailering and it keeps you from getting in trouble in bigger water. The little keel lets the boat tip and spill wind rather than try to dig in. I have grounded my boat a few times in unfamiliar shallow sand bars and there is no worry about damaging a center board. Of course what you can’t see in this video is if we get a few too many degrees off the wind the Genoa will easily spin this boat around because there isn’t enough keel to counteract the headsail that’s too big. Centerboard could help. Could tip us over. Either way there’s compromise and you’ll have fun learning what your boat will and won’t do.
Hello, I just bought a Com-Pac 16 from the madison area and was woundering if you had any tips on improving upwind perfromace-I recently took it out and noticed a lot of side slippage when pointing it higher into the wind-Thanks!
@@milesstimac6548 the little keel limits windward performance but I have found sail trim and keeping speed up helps a lot. This boat goes out on days most people are headed in. It won’t love light wind days. Slow = slip. It took some experimenting to figure out what worked and I’m still open to new ideas. Initially I could only get 3.5 to windward and now I can do 5.5 pretty reliably. Practice and you’ll probably teach me something new. First thing I would do is get hold of a foiled rudder. Helps immensely with control and performance. Spendy but worth it. I have them on both of my sailboats. I keep my rigging pretty tight with a taught forestay. When pointing the 16, keep the jib sheets inside the rigging so you can keep the jib close in to the mast. Sheets should be pulling down more toward deck than back. If your boat has the travelers move them forward all the way. The 16 has a heel sweet spot. Too much loses speed and that loses forward progress. Experiment with your positioning or passenger positioning to keep the boat heel to a minimum. Tinker with the boom position. Move it around to get the headsail feeding the main efficiently. Sail shape/rigging in this video compared to the “we towed a compac 16 across the country” Gulf of Mexico video I posted is vastly different. That was when I first started sailing the 16 and I clearly didn’t have a good grasp on what the 16 prefers in that video. I have the mark II which sails a little better than the mark I. Not sure hull you have but these comments will be applicable either way. I sail Mendota pretty regularly. Maybe we will cross paths out there!
@@growntogether9913 Thanks for getting back to me, I will defintley do some experimetation this weekend again and implment the adivce you gave. It is very possible that I did not have enough sail up (under douuble reef) to build up speed. Nevertheless it will be fun to figure it out. That is a beautiful lake, I will keep an eye out for your boat when I go out there! I sail out of Port Washington on Lake Michigan for the most part. Thanks again for the repsonse and I think your videos are awesome!
@@milesstimac6548 I have one other thought for you if you’re on Lake Michigan. Current on big water most definitely plays a factor for these boats. If the wind and water direction are against you that side slip can be very problematic for a small boat. Thanks for the kind words and have fun with your boat!
@@milesstimac6548how’s she do in chop? Lake Michigan was a beast against my 30 footer, and I’m trying to find a Compac 16 myself, but curious how they do in the rougher conditions. I’m out of Milwaukee, btw.
@@SailorJasonTaylor It's hard for me to make a comparison - I crew on a 40' and my last boat was 18'- compared to these two boats I would say that the compac is its own thing: there is definitely less slamming when beating to Winward and the boat has more of a bobbing motion to it as it sits in the water rather than riding on top of the water. I took the compac out last Friday in about 20knts of wind and 4' seas with a fully reefed main and jib. It handled the sea state perfectly in my opinion for such a small boat and I did not have any close calls or near-death experiences. As for the known issues with this boat such as getting upwind, I really did not have a problem, just slight drift to leeward. It is a very seaworthy boat but quite different than larger boats. If you are unable to find a Com-Pac 16 I would also recommend the Compac sun cat - My family had one of these when I was growing up and it too was incredibly good in Lake Michigan and a quality boat. That cool your so close, I would like to sail down to mke at some point this season - let me know if and when you get one, could do a meet up and compare notes
I love it when the wind is lively to get the boat up to speed but not enough to reef. This looks like a good day to me.
@@squallyheiferadventures It sure was. 🙂
Ahoi! I’m in Madison and am considering a com-pac 16 for lakes both local and great. Love the video and getting to see how the boat reacts with a bit too much sail up, seems like the both of you are pretty well acquainted with how it handles. Any chance I could barter for a day sail with you guys before I join the club?
@@JonasRoss-g6n I get that boat down to Madison a handful of times a year. Work schedules and weather makes trailer sailing unpredictable. It would be difficult to coordinate the next outing. We can try and answer your questions about the pros and cons of this particular boat. I’m sure a phone call could be arranged.
Loved your Florida video (this one too). I’m a West coaster looking into getting a Com Pac 16 and have a question about the different configurations. I know some of the later models have a centerboard to help in pointing. Is that an option that varies from boat to boat or was it standard on later models. Does your boat have the centerboard and if so, how much does it compromise the cabin floor? Thanks for your posts.
@@timneely946 No center board on mine. I think it was an option for the last few hulls produced. I saw one for sale not too long ago. Spendy. I recall the little keel contained the center board and the floor seemed the same. Don’t quote me though. This one does OK if you can keep the speed up. Light wind it sideslips. A good foil rudder is essential. The beauty of the little keel is it’s pretty tough for beaching/trailering and it keeps you from getting in trouble in bigger water. The little keel lets the boat tip and spill wind rather than try to dig in. I have grounded my boat a few times in unfamiliar shallow sand bars and there is no worry about damaging a center board. Of course what you can’t see in this video is if we get a few too many degrees off the wind the Genoa will easily spin this boat around because there isn’t enough keel to counteract the headsail that’s too big. Centerboard could help. Could tip us over. Either way there’s compromise and you’ll have fun learning what your boat will and won’t do.
Hello, I just bought a Com-Pac 16 from the madison area and was woundering if you had any tips on improving upwind perfromace-I recently took it out and noticed a lot of side slippage when pointing it higher into the wind-Thanks!
@@milesstimac6548 the little keel limits windward performance but I have found sail trim and keeping speed up helps a lot. This boat goes out on days most people are headed in. It won’t love light wind days. Slow = slip. It took some experimenting to figure out what worked and I’m still open to new ideas. Initially I could only get 3.5 to windward and now I can do 5.5 pretty reliably. Practice and you’ll probably teach me something new.
First thing I would do is get hold of a foiled rudder. Helps immensely with control and performance. Spendy but worth it. I have them on both of my sailboats.
I keep my rigging pretty tight with a taught forestay. When pointing the 16, keep the jib sheets inside the rigging so you can keep the jib close in to the mast. Sheets should be pulling down more toward deck than back. If your boat has the travelers move them forward all the way.
The 16 has a heel sweet spot. Too much loses speed and that loses forward progress. Experiment with your positioning or passenger positioning to keep the boat heel to a minimum.
Tinker with the boom position. Move it around to get the headsail feeding the main efficiently. Sail shape/rigging in this video compared to the “we towed a compac 16 across the country” Gulf of Mexico video I posted is vastly different. That was when I first started sailing the 16 and I clearly didn’t have a good grasp on what the 16 prefers in that video.
I have the mark II which sails a little better than the mark I. Not sure hull you have but these comments will be applicable either way. I sail Mendota pretty regularly. Maybe we will cross paths out there!
@@growntogether9913 Thanks for getting back to me, I will defintley do some experimetation this weekend again and implment the adivce you gave. It is very possible that I did not have enough sail up (under douuble reef) to build up speed. Nevertheless it will be fun to figure it out. That is a beautiful lake, I will keep an eye out for your boat when I go out there! I sail out of Port Washington on Lake Michigan for the most part. Thanks again for the repsonse and I think your videos are awesome!
@@milesstimac6548 I have one other thought for you if you’re on Lake Michigan. Current on big water most definitely plays a factor for these boats. If the wind and water direction are against you that side slip can be very problematic for a small boat. Thanks for the kind words and have fun with your boat!
@@milesstimac6548how’s she do in chop? Lake Michigan was a beast against my 30 footer, and I’m trying to find a Compac 16 myself, but curious how they do in the rougher conditions. I’m out of Milwaukee, btw.
@@SailorJasonTaylor It's hard for me to make a comparison - I crew on a 40' and my last boat was 18'- compared to these two boats I would say that the compac is its own thing: there is definitely less slamming when beating to Winward and the boat has more of a bobbing motion to it as it sits in the water rather than riding on top of the water. I took the compac out last Friday in about 20knts of wind and 4' seas with a fully reefed main and jib. It handled the sea state perfectly in my opinion for such a small boat and I did not have any close calls or near-death experiences. As for the known issues with this boat such as getting upwind, I really did not have a problem, just slight drift to leeward. It is a very seaworthy boat but quite different than larger boats. If you are unable to find a Com-Pac 16 I would also recommend the Compac sun cat - My family had one of these when I was growing up and it too was incredibly good in Lake Michigan and a quality boat. That cool your so close, I would like to sail down to mke at some point this season - let me know if and when you get one, could do a meet up and compare notes