"Carbon copy", I wish, more like if Handsome Jack went through a machine that drained his charisma, gave him crippling anxiety, and reduced him to a babbling side character. Not even Vasquez had received this type of treatment. Though I must say, the new voice actor although does kind of sound like Rhys, he fluctuates his speech like Jack which is... An odd choice, given the story behind Rhys's development.
@@TwinklingMysticShot yea during the whole talk with rhys i was like Rhys? What's happen to you this isn't like you, your one of my favorites but im starting to see you like an Enemy and less of an ally
Honestly, I would not be surprised if the sole reason why they turn rhys this way is so they could retroactively bring back jack and use rhys as a meat suit
It's like they tried to make him into a combination of Vasquez and Handsome Jack without putting in anything that made either of the characters enjoyable.
Imagine getting a character wrong twice then doubling down in the worst direction the second time. He's dollar store Handsome Jack fused with Mr. Krabs.
It was kinda funny (kinda being the key word) when Maliwan was kicking Atlas' ass cause Rhys was still pulling it out of the ground at the time and it would be natural for a big corporation that has been there for a while to want to stomp out its competition. But now its just a joke repeating itself which is just not funny anymore.
@@kookio4284 Agreed! It was kind of funny between Maliwan and Atlas. It was one of the okay parts of the game but I guess they found even that Rhys too likable or something. Agreed x2, definitely not funny anymore, not sure what they were going for with him now. Wondering if there's distain for existing characters during development or something because it seems like it lol
@@midnightjay I think they were going for mix of someone who has gotten comfortable with their position as a big CEO (cause in BL universe being a serious CEO of any corporation is like asking to become corrupt. Just ask literally any of the CEO's besides Jakobs (who lives off of family tradition) and Torgue (who never took their position seriously). I could also see it as the writers attempting to stomp out any kindness Reese has since most CEO's only thrive because they are ruthless and the ones that don't (namely Torgue and Jakobs) are in line to try to be cut down by other larger fish. Although both of these theories might be giving the writers a bit too much credit here.
For real..Telltale Games didn’t deserve to shut down in 2018. They always know how to write their games better with great story and enjoyable characters to laugh and feel and relate to.
Remastering TWD 3 times when in the last 2 there were no new generation of consoles was a mistake. They are masters of writing but impatient in production and administration.
@@jokistm1201 let him decide after playing the game. I haven't even played Borderlands 3 yet, but I'll play it and wonderlands and new tales and make up my own opinion. I often like games and movies that the majority disliked
They really had the opportunity to create such an amazing sequel, imagine if we followed Rhys fighting back with his Atlas military force. They could've brought back Zer0 and some other classic characters and created new characters of course but we got this instead. A version of Rhys who is everything he said he didn't want to be, a CEO who's obsessed with making money it's basically all he brings up as motivation, what a waste of a great character.
Not gonna lie, kinda disappointed partially with the way Rhys has been written in this game. Just doesn't reflect who he was/is and who we thought he'd be. I do appreciate the new Voice Actor though.
On a plus side, I do like how his introduction mirrors his first episode, the interaction with Vasquez. That said, yeah, I miss that goofy man-child vibe Rhys originally had. I think the fact the characters in Tales worked so well together that they're kinda struggling to write them well apart than if they were together still.
Wow, they brought back Anthony Burch and the best they came up with was…this? Borderlands 2 being as good as it was really was the luckiest, most accidental miracle that ever occurred in gaming.
I mean, Borderlands has never been as good as it was since 2 - some ideas you can only go so far with. I know that I get quite bored of Borderlands humour pretty quickly so I dont think Burch phoned it in or anything, I just think maybe BD 2 and Tales 1 was the peak by a large margin and now the series is just trying to get that back
Never thought I’d say this, but Ray Chase is probably the best part of this version of Rhys. He captures the spirit of Baker’s version of the character, and honestly if he was given Rhys-appropriate dialogue instead of… whatever this was, I think he really could shine.
Honestly, I don't like the way that Gearbox treated Rhys both in Borderlands 3 and the new Tales from the Borderlands. After the end of Season 1, I was expecting to see Rhys still having some of his selfish and coward "charm", but at the same time I was expecting to see him become more responsable and even more noble with his actions, taking care more about his friends. Specially at the end of Episode 5 Season 1, when he offers his own life to help Loader Bot to save Gortys, and after the hug in group with all of his friends and family, and after his last conversation with Fiona inside of the Vault. But in the later games, Gearbox turned Rhys into a more selfish and arrogant scumbag. He is even more coward and pathethic than before, he don't even have or use his signature stun baton anymore. I wasn't expecting either to see him become into a badass and invencible Vault hunter like Zero, or even like a young blood Vault hunter like Fiona. But after seeing him fight in Episode 3 along with Loader Bot in the jungle, and controling Gortys as a giant robot to defeat the monster from the Vault, I was expecting that he was going to learn a few skills to defend himself decently without being so cringy.
Honestly, I thought they did Vaughn way dirtier. In 3, it's like he's not even the same person. Whatever happened to avoiding violence and still being a corporate nerd? It's like someone only saw the bro bro bro scene and made his entire character that.
The worst part about this game is that this is visually the BEST looking Telltale-style (They did not make this one) game ever. Like I realize the tech's improved but gotdam does it look smooth. And then its wasted on this Saints Row reboot story. Hurts seeing how they handled this series' legacy.
Really? This style is ugly as fuck. Actual Telltale games didn't have the prettiest characters but at least they actually had that comic book vibe to them.
>Still no Troy Baker >Cringy new protagonist immediately starts ranting about le evil capitalism >Writers who still think that loud and random = funny Cool loves, Gearbox. Cool moves.
I'm more used to Troy Baker's portrayal, but Ray Chase still deserves some props! I think he evokes a similiar spirit in Rhys' character, but takes it in his own direction.
and i agree, it's missing that tales from the borderlands feel. rhys' new voice actor isn't bad but his writing feels.....off??? still prefer troy baker but i don't think rhys' characterization in this game helps at all. feels like he's digressed somehow. WHICH SUCKS because rhys is sooooo good and has had good character development. i think bl3 did a decent job w him but still....
@@MilanTehVillain I actually thought he did a pretty decent job capturing rhys in borderlands 3. but here when you got out of character writing with different voice added on to it rhys just ends up feeling like some guy
@@mrtiddles4408 And, honestly, people talk about what happened to Rhys, but Vaughn lost pretty much everything that made him special. It's like someone saw that bro bro bro scene and thought yep, that's Vaughn.
Everyone's saying that Rhys is being an ass here and while this may be true, his treatment of Anu here makes sense. He runs a weapons manufacturing company so a device that sends only targets away with nothing to prevent them from coming back is a BAD idea in a galaxy filled with killers. Anu also released very dangerous test subjects MULTIPLE times, costing the company money each time she does it. Also, Anu's demonstration which sends his personal, if not general company, property to God knows where with no way to bring them back in basically the same as destruction of property. And let's be real, Anu's invention, while cool, is ultimately useless and very expensive. Anu should've considered herself lucky as most companies would have kicked her to the curb a long time ago and the fact Rhys gave her as much time and patience as he did only to fire her when enough is enough, speaks levels since Jack and Vasquez would've killed her for less.
THANK YOU! Finally, someone who is thinking! People are complaining so much as this isn't TFTBL Rhys, but he is. He's more mature; more grown up. BL3 three takes place about 5 - 6 years after Tales and in that time, like you mentioned, became the CEO of the Atlas Corporation which is a gun manufacturer that was in the middle of a war with Maliwan. Granted Maliwan lost, Rhys still was goofy, but not to the extent as he was in Tales as like mentioned, it's a few years later. And continuing on that note he's still a little childish like he was, especially with is Zer0 fanboying. In Tales, he absolutely fanboys over him, in BL3 Zer0 is his best friend and confidant, and in New Tales when we first see him, he's upset that he lost a bid on a limited edition Zer0 Vaultlander Figure. He's still goofy and childish, but people don't want to see that. And I agree, he did act appropriately with Anu. Anu, costed him a lot of money with a device that didn't align with the companies products and used a extremely expensive resource , freed multiple Jabbers that could've harmed people and cause him lawsuits and property damage, and if you zap away his suit or Sasha's picture, he has absolutely all reason to blow up as those are his personal belongings. I actually like Rhys a lot more here than I did Borderlands 3 as I saw that he has grown and matured, but that's just me.
Yeah, I first thought it was weird that Rhys is so caught up on killing, but this is The Borderlands. His clientele want something that's good at killing people, even the people we'd consider the good guys want devices that can kill people. This isn't exactly a universe where people are singing blissfully over a camp fire, you have to know your customers.
I mean,... If you see this entire scene by a rational óptic and by Rhys point of view, Anu was kinda buying Rhys irritation, specially because of the incompetence about the Weapon, his belongings damage and the entire cost that her "dEviCe" and Anu took From him. Só yeah, ... Not really Far From a natural reaction from Rhys
Guess the suit is the least destructive thing to destroy. He gets to keep the picture of Sasha and that plant won't potentially die. Worst case scenario, you can make a new suit, it's not like that suit was some unique once in a lifetime suit that he had to pillage a vault to get.
Gearbox's characters really kinda fall into one category only, huh? Telltale came along and made some cool and interesting characters, and even made some characters twice as good as their first appearance (Scooter especially, rest his soul). Unfortunately, it seems those characters were not spared Gearbox's weird writing.
Honestly, I don't think Rhys is all that bad here. A CEO still kind of has to care if you're burning a ton of money away, that's just part of business and, by Borderlands standards, letting someone go instead of just killing them probably places him above most. Even the stuff that's arguably like Jack is at least his better qualities, none of the actually evil stuff, given even the good people in Borderlands tend to value guns that can actually kill people. I thought Vaughn was done far dirtier than Rhys, they turned him from nuanced corporate nerd bandit leader into just.... dude bro who seemingly no longer bathes like they just took the bro bro bro scene and made that his whole character.
He literally acts like Vazquez, a person he fuckin’ hated. God damn they killed Rhys’ character. Also holy shit the animation and the dialogue is odd, gives a weird Forspoken vibe.
Rhys is acting out of character, but consider this: his speech pattern has also changed. Yes I know it's a different voice actor and although his voice does resemble Troy Baker, his speech fluctuates like Handsome Jack's. Listen to 5:12 and tell me that doesn't sound like Jack after taking over Rhys's body in that one scene. It's also worth mentioning that Rhys's echo eye implant is back to blue... You know, the color of the hacked echo eye, the one with Jack in it? And since they're acknowledging him ripping out his old echo eye in this very game, you'd think they'd have his new echo eye be the yellow one we saw in TftB's ending. Yes, I know it's also blue in Borderlands 3 but it's still suspect nonetheless. "All eyes and limbs all accounted for?" "Doing just great - better than!" And the whole thing with him finding himself in the same position as Vasquez, with his car stolen and all. The only thing that keeps me from fully considering this theory is that I don't believe the writing to be nuanced enough to imply such a thing through subtle clues, I think it's actually just clumsy writing that will not amount to anything. Unlike in Telltale's version where we see some foreshadowing happen at the end of the game, with Jack's statue being used as a basis for Rhys's statue implying the threat of being another Handsome Jack is still looming - but not here.
A lotta people say Rhys had a massive personality change, but honestly given that he had to harden up due to corporate life and the fact that Anu pretty much cost him a fortune it makes sense. Like most other companies default response is KILL ON SIGHT or TORTURE, but he just chose to just simply fire her instead and even ask for help later on when she stole the car. He's always been kinda an ass, and the circumstances here make sense for him to be an ass in this moment.
@@manugames92 True, but the circumstances were also different. Rhys far more legitimately earned his position than Vasquez did and Rhys firing her for her actions she took deliberately against the company vs Vasquez demoting Rhys to Janitor just to humiliate him also seems a lot different too. Rhys could've asked for a different car, but he asked for Vasquez's as an extra screw up, on top of trying to undermine his deal.
In Borderlands 3 Rhys hired Zero to check up on her, there were no signs of her. Never clarified yet if she was ok. Honestly was hoping this game would answer that. But since Fiona is OK, and if this gets a sequel, hope we get to play as her again. She would probably be a Vault Hunter by then, and likely to drag Rhys and Vaughn in this adventure.
@@sainttan I’m really hoping she’d be back in the next borderlands or another tales (but by Telltale this time). Slowly they are bringing back the original characters in in the games so…..here’s to hoping 🤞🤞🤞
Well Randy Pitchford has said that the reason Fiona and Sasha weren't in New Tales, because he said "Your princesses are in another castle. We love them both and have plans - they deserve more than to be side characters." No news on Gordys or Loader Bot tho. So having read this tweet, I can only assume we will probably see them in BL4 and I hope Fiona is a playable Vault Hunter.
@@landonmcneely7728 That's kind of silly saying they deserve more than to be side characters.... but that's literally what Rhys and Vaughn are here. So they're saying they respect Rhys and Vaughn less and it's okay for them to have that role?
I just… I just wish writers would actually give a shit about the stories they write nowadays, do their research, and stay with the steady flow of consistent character development. It’s just so exhausting to see beloved series get numbed down to a pile of crap over the years. I’m just so tired of it.
It’s such a shame too cause it’s not like they couldn’t have made an evil/douchey Rhys work, run a cool little meta-narrative about the tragic corruptive consequences of wealth and power, Rhys fought like hell to escape Jacks shadow only to be consumed by it anyway just like wallet-head before him
This Rhys is better than borderlands 3. He is the ceo of a weapon manufacturer and Dr Anu made a useless weapon using expensive materials, destroyed Rhys' sentimental property, and regularly goes out of the way to sabotage her company because she drinks the PETA coolaid. If they made Rhys anything like Handsome Jack, Anu would have been used for weapon testing the first time she let out the Jabbers
@@bluebucket703 Yeah, people say they ruined Rhys and admittedly I can see how some changes can rub people the wrong way, but Vaughn was absolutely massacred. Any trace of nuance corporate geek is long gone, like they had to force him into the cliche dude bro bandit role just for a cheap cameo. Whatever happened to the Vaughn that cleverly used laser pointers, because the Children of Helios preferred to avoid unnecessary violence?
Rhys was one of my favourites video game characters, and Tales from the borderlands was one of my fav telltale game , but now they just messed up both 😢
This just proves that Gearbox _really_ hated the success of the original Tales, so much so that they'll go to great lengths to ruin every TFTB character in the newer Borderlands games
Not only Tales, but also Pre Sequel. They COMPLETELY ignored that storyline for some reason, especially that Eridian warning them about an upcoming war.
15:22 Any professional lip-readers out there? All I picked up is that he said something painfully unfunny, though that's made clear in this game in general
I somewhat like what they did with him like think about it the game takes place a long time after the first game and hes a ceo now so obviously he'd change alot from how he was but this is just too much its basically character assassination the bare minimum they could've done was make him still nerdy so his personality change could be somewhat believable also the voice is ok I like it honestly differentiate him from his past self like his mustache if only he felt like the same character
... yeah, not the Rhys I know and love. Good job ruining a marvelous character, Gearbox. I DID still forgive how he was on 3, but this is just bad, at this point. I already expected to be bad at this point, but, you know, still hurts to see him like this.
Not my rhys. the VA did the best with what he had, and i get that rhys has probably had a lot of character development in between, but idk. i know you could play rhys as a total asshole in Tales but for the most part he was dorky with a facade of confidence. or maybe he just blossomed into his own when he became a CEO? its hard, idk. not my rhys :(
I like Rhys' new look. I wonder if this guy's going to be a villain in the future, like some people thought he was gonna be in bl3. The theory was handsome jack taking over his mind or something like that, and he definitely seems to act more like Handsome Jack now. Hell, anyone is a step-up from the calypsos and the children of cringe.
Man, that's actually something I could believe given his speech pattern in this sounds a lot more like Jack than it does Rhys and, oh what's this, HIS ECHO EYE IS BLUE AGAIN. Last I checked, the blue Echo-eye had Jack's AI in it. (A "eye" get it)
@@Lesaloote The eye with Jack was blue, but don't forget, that everytime Jack was in controll, the eye changed to brown colour. Also I believe Gearbox confirmed, that the canon choice was that Rhys destroyed the eye with Jack at the end of Tales1.
15:20 wait a minute? was that Cowabunga JR (which is what I call Katagawa JR because don't even bother trying to remember how to say his name because his a git to me), I thought he was dead in Borderlands 3 and this takes place after it.
@@liamf2741 Dude was the main character in tales from the borderlands along with Fiona made by telltales. That game's characters and writing was MILES better than this
Bro How did they ruin my favorite character-? They just took all the Character development and went *YEET*. Like bruh. He was supposed to learn from HJ's Mistakes. Not become him
Cagaron el personaje de Rhys al hacerlo un "Jack el guapo" de bajo presupuesto, el cual esta obsesionado con una chica (Sasha) y se da a entender que su amor no fue correspondido. Básicamente, un simp despechado el cual no tiene nada de personalidad y solo es el jefe malo. Dios, como odio este juego y el Borderlands 3
this sucks. not only is Troy Baker's absense missed, but Rhys' character has completely regressed to being exactly what he was set to be at the start of the first game, despite his arc in that game being the exact opposite. it feels like a slap in the face to everything the writers did so well with Telltale's game.
@@manugames92 def wouldn't consider the "accept shard" ending to be canon. Tbh you lose way more. Lou13 stays dead. You don't get your own company. And worst of all... You don't make amends with Rhy's.
@@FatGuyInSpace I like tinas wacky character and mindset it fits the borderlands feel, it feels very much like a extended version of the attack on dragons keep dlc from BL2. I think it has much more passion put into it than borderlands 3, you can tell the devs had fun making the game
I think this happened, As a theory! So if you didnt crush rhys eye with handsome jack in it, He tried to fix it but then Jack took rhys over once he got to atlas HQ and acted like rhys so nobody would suspect him so Technical Rhys is gone, Handsome Jack remains
It’s like they just drained all of Rhys’ naturally charismatic yet dorky personality and decided to make him a carbon copy of Handsome Jack
"Carbon copy", I wish, more like if Handsome Jack went through a machine that drained his charisma, gave him crippling anxiety, and reduced him to a babbling side character. Not even Vasquez had received this type of treatment. Though I must say, the new voice actor although does kind of sound like Rhys, he fluctuates his speech like Jack which is... An odd choice, given the story behind Rhys's development.
I think they made him more like Vasquas or what ever his mame was
@@TwinklingMysticShot yea during the whole talk with rhys i was like Rhys? What's happen to you this isn't like you, your one of my favorites but im starting to see you like an Enemy and less of an ally
Yeah that's what the corporate life does to you.
Honestly, I would not be surprised if the sole reason why they turn rhys this way is so they could retroactively bring back jack and use rhys as a meat suit
It's like they tried to make him into a combination of Vasquez and Handsome Jack without putting in anything that made either of the characters enjoyable.
rhys should just be his own brand of asshole, they did him so dirty fr
You nailed it.
Kinda sucks as Rhys was such a cool guy in the tales from the borderlands 1.
@@Mestari1Gaming he was a likable asshole for sure. now he's just a dick......
Who wrote him like this?
@@Luke-ky5ed a bunch of people, including people who approved it, that's the saddest part
Imagine getting a character wrong twice then doubling down in the worst direction the second time. He's dollar store Handsome Jack fused with Mr. Krabs.
It was kinda funny (kinda being the key word) when Maliwan was kicking Atlas' ass cause Rhys was still pulling it out of the ground at the time and it would be natural for a big corporation that has been there for a while to want to stomp out its competition. But now its just a joke repeating itself which is just not funny anymore.
@@kookio4284 Agreed! It was kind of funny between Maliwan and Atlas. It was one of the okay parts of the game but I guess they found even that Rhys too likable or something. Agreed x2, definitely not funny anymore, not sure what they were going for with him now. Wondering if there's distain for existing characters during development or something because it seems like it lol
@@midnightjay I think they were going for mix of someone who has gotten comfortable with their position as a big CEO (cause in BL universe being a serious CEO of any corporation is like asking to become corrupt. Just ask literally any of the CEO's besides Jakobs (who lives off of family tradition) and Torgue (who never took their position seriously).
I could also see it as the writers attempting to stomp out any kindness Reese has since most CEO's only thrive because they are ruthless and the ones that don't (namely Torgue and Jakobs) are in line to try to be cut down by other larger fish. Although both of these theories might be giving the writers a bit too much credit here.
For real..Telltale Games didn’t deserve to shut down in 2018.
They always know how to write their games better with great story and enjoyable characters to laugh and feel and relate to.
Remastering TWD 3 times when in the last 2 there were no new generation of consoles was a mistake. They are masters of writing but impatient in production and administration.
Fr the writing, voice acting, and funny parts at some points
Sadly it’s a common story great artists terrible work conditions
Look how they massacred my boy...
The moustache is cool
Character Assassination
Just finished Tales from Borderlands and get hyped for new game!
Watched this one scene and now I'm just going to replay old ones...
please do. this one is such waste of time and money.
please dont do. Give it a chance.
@@manderbander2744 it's shit they ruined the og characters
@@jokistm1201 let him decide after playing the game. I haven't even played Borderlands 3 yet, but I'll play it and wonderlands and new tales and make up my own opinion. I often like games and movies that the majority disliked
They really had the opportunity to create such an amazing sequel, imagine if we followed Rhys fighting back with his Atlas military force.
They could've brought back Zer0 and some other classic characters and created new characters of course but we got this instead.
A version of Rhys who is everything he said he didn't want to be, a CEO who's obsessed with making money it's basically all he brings up as motivation, what a waste of a great character.
Well, that’s why we have fanfic and pretend none of this shit ever happened
Not gonna lie, kinda disappointed partially with the way Rhys has been written in this game. Just doesn't reflect who he was/is and who we thought he'd be. I do appreciate the new Voice Actor though.
He sounds like a strict boss and not a clown like bl3
Ray Chase captures a similar spirit in Rhys’ character to what Troy Baker did in the first Tales, but does his own thing.
On a plus side, I do like how his introduction mirrors his first episode, the interaction with Vasquez.
That said, yeah, I miss that goofy man-child vibe Rhys originally had. I think the fact the characters in Tales worked so well together that they're kinda struggling to write them well apart than if they were together still.
Yeah don’t like how Rhys was written in Tales 2 but Ray Chase Gave Rhys something Handsome Jack couldn’t And That’s being a good CEO
Handsome jack rubbed off on him, also he was constantly worrying about someone shooting him in the head in bl3
Wow, they brought back Anthony Burch and the best they came up with was…this?
Borderlands 2 being as good as it was really was the luckiest, most accidental miracle that ever occurred in gaming.
to be fair the first tales was AMAZING too
@@gadrielvanorion9872 yes it really was amazing
I mean, Borderlands has never been as good as it was since 2 - some ideas you can only go so far with. I know that I get quite bored of Borderlands humour pretty quickly so I dont think Burch phoned it in or anything, I just think maybe BD 2 and Tales 1 was the peak by a large margin and now the series is just trying to get that back
Did they really bring back burch?
I thought he was a respawn Helming the story of Apex legends and Star Wars
Never thought I’d say this, but Ray Chase is probably the best part of this version of Rhys. He captures the spirit of Baker’s version of the character, and honestly if he was given Rhys-appropriate dialogue instead of… whatever this was, I think he really could shine.
Agreed! The script is bs, and makes him another corporate asshole.
I hate Troy Baker, so I agree.
@@matro2 what
@@matro2 Wait, what? Why?
I agree
Honestly, I don't like the way that Gearbox treated Rhys both in Borderlands 3 and the new Tales from the Borderlands. After the end of Season 1, I was expecting to see Rhys still having some of his selfish and coward "charm", but at the same time I was expecting to see him become more responsable and even more noble with his actions, taking care more about his friends. Specially at the end of Episode 5 Season 1, when he offers his own life to help Loader Bot to save Gortys, and after the hug in group with all of his friends and family, and after his last conversation with Fiona inside of the Vault.
But in the later games, Gearbox turned Rhys into a more selfish and arrogant scumbag. He is even more coward and pathethic than before, he don't even have or use his signature stun baton anymore. I wasn't expecting either to see him become into a badass and invencible Vault hunter like Zero, or even like a young blood Vault hunter like Fiona. But after seeing him fight in Episode 3 along with Loader Bot in the jungle, and controling Gortys as a giant robot to defeat the monster from the Vault, I was expecting that he was going to learn a few skills to defend himself decently without being so cringy.
I couldn't agree more, he had so much character development and for what?
100% exactly right u are.
He kinda feels similar in 3 to how he was in the first Tales game. But this game here makes him painful to see and hear.
@@TekPlayzGames yea when i heard he's voice i was like*gasp* Rhys yo good to see you again then i was like Rhys? What's going on this isn't you
Honestly, I thought they did Vaughn way dirtier. In 3, it's like he's not even the same person. Whatever happened to avoiding violence and still being a corporate nerd? It's like someone only saw the bro bro bro scene and made his entire character that.
Character assassination right here
Borderlands isn’t what it used to be.
No not anymore but people (myself included) will pay for a sense of nostalgia
@@dannyyoroi1955 Affirmative
It's like the Bayverse went downhill just like Steven universe future and Tokyo ghoul Re
Yeah no kidding.
To be fair they only had a decent first game and a lucky break for the second one. Everything after that was gearbox's normal level of """quality""".
Rhys entire journey was not to become jack and that thier was more to life than money and they went back on it making his motto about money
The worst part about this game is that this is visually the BEST looking Telltale-style (They did not make this one) game ever. Like I realize the tech's improved but gotdam does it look smooth. And then its wasted on this Saints Row reboot story. Hurts seeing how they handled this series' legacy.
It’s not a Telltale game at all. Explains how bad the writing is compared to the actual Telltale developed Tales game
@@BanesBasement Yeah I misworded the original comment, this was all Gearbox, which explains a lot.
I liked crappy graphics and good story more...
Really? This style is ugly as fuck. Actual Telltale games didn't have the prettiest characters but at least they actually had that comic book vibe to them.
@@lumiel777
The graphics were never crappy it just had it’s own low budget style that worked
>Still no Troy Baker
>Cringy new protagonist immediately starts ranting about le evil capitalism
>Writers who still think that loud and random = funny
Cool loves, Gearbox. Cool moves.
Miss telltale 😞
@@ThatGuy-en2nn Well, new old telltale doing the wolf among us 2 at least.
I'm more used to Troy Baker's portrayal, but Ray Chase still deserves some props! I think he evokes a similiar spirit in Rhys' character, but takes it in his own direction.
hi harrier big fan, omg
and i agree, it's missing that tales from the borderlands feel. rhys' new voice actor isn't bad but his writing feels.....off??? still prefer troy baker but i don't think rhys' characterization in this game helps at all. feels like he's digressed somehow.
WHICH SUCKS because rhys is sooooo good and has had good character development. i think bl3 did a decent job w him but still....
It’s sad that the writers did him this way but in his defense, I would act this way too if my day was going the way his is.
they really butchered his character and didn't even get troy to make it at least sound charming
I believe Ray Chase captured a similar spirit overall to Rhys’ character as what Troy Baker did in the old Tales, but in his own way.
@@MilanTehVillain I actually thought he did a pretty decent job capturing rhys in borderlands 3. but here when you got out of character writing with different voice added on to it rhys just ends up feeling like some guy
@@0MarBz0 Here’s hoping with Telltale’s revival that we actually get a proper Tales 2, and Ray can be given proper Rhys dialogue
I am guessing the game didn't have too good of a budget to get Troy Baker back.
@@channel45853 i mean they got laura bailey
I think Ray Chase captures a similar overall spirit in Rhys’ character to what Troy Baker did in the original Tales, but goes in his own direction.
Much better than B3
@@mrtiddles4408
And, honestly, people talk about what happened to Rhys, but Vaughn lost pretty much everything that made him special. It's like someone saw that bro bro bro scene and thought yep, that's Vaughn.
Everyone's saying that Rhys is being an ass here and while this may be true, his treatment of Anu here makes sense. He runs a weapons manufacturing company so a device that sends only targets away with nothing to prevent them from coming back is a BAD idea in a galaxy filled with killers. Anu also released very dangerous test subjects MULTIPLE times, costing the company money each time she does it. Also, Anu's demonstration which sends his personal, if not general company, property to God knows where with no way to bring them back in basically the same as destruction of property. And let's be real, Anu's invention, while cool, is ultimately useless and very expensive.
Anu should've considered herself lucky as most companies would have kicked her to the curb a long time ago and the fact Rhys gave her as much time and patience as he did only to fire her when enough is enough, speaks levels since Jack and Vasquez would've killed her for less.
THANK YOU! Finally, someone who is thinking! People are complaining so much as this isn't TFTBL Rhys, but he is. He's more mature; more grown up. BL3 three takes place about 5 - 6 years after Tales and in that time, like you mentioned, became the CEO of the Atlas Corporation which is a gun manufacturer that was in the middle of a war with Maliwan. Granted Maliwan lost, Rhys still was goofy, but not to the extent as he was in Tales as like mentioned, it's a few years later. And continuing on that note he's still a little childish like he was, especially with is Zer0 fanboying. In Tales, he absolutely fanboys over him, in BL3 Zer0 is his best friend and confidant, and in New Tales when we first see him, he's upset that he lost a bid on a limited edition Zer0 Vaultlander Figure. He's still goofy and childish, but people don't want to see that. And I agree, he did act appropriately with Anu.
Anu, costed him a lot of money with a device that didn't align with the companies products and used a extremely expensive resource , freed multiple Jabbers that could've harmed people and cause him lawsuits and property damage, and if you zap away his suit or Sasha's picture, he has absolutely all reason to blow up as those are his personal belongings. I actually like Rhys a lot more here than I did Borderlands 3 as I saw that he has grown and matured, but that's just me.
@@landonmcneely7728 I completely agree with you, dude! With every word, so you're not alone.
Exactly! She's wasting time. I would have fired her immediately. And she's lucky I don't out right kill her like anyone else would have.
@@sadjuliy9469 i agree
Yeah, I first thought it was weird that Rhys is so caught up on killing, but this is The Borderlands. His clientele want something that's good at killing people, even the people we'd consider the good guys want devices that can kill people. This isn't exactly a universe where people are singing blissfully over a camp fire, you have to know your customers.
Maybe Rhys is actually Handsome Jack pretending to be Rhys would make alot of sense
I mean,... If you see this entire scene by a rational óptic and by Rhys point of view, Anu was kinda buying Rhys irritation, specially because of the incompetence about the Weapon, his belongings damage and the entire cost that her "dEviCe" and Anu took From him. Só yeah, ... Not really Far From a natural reaction from Rhys
And so Gearbox kills off Rhys for the sake of a “joke”
That’s just lovely
He’s fine, luckily. He’s brought back, off screen, at the end of the game alongside everyone else who “died”.
@@ulyssesocounter8488 Which part? I haven't gotten around to seeing it
@@ulyssesocounter8488 Where? In what line of dialogue?
@@randomiser2267 I think he's implying it from the line "Promethea was saved by a healing angel" the people who died were revived anyway
wasn't a joke in that scene
Okay but my heart literally cracked about Sasha and Fiona MY GODDDDD
Omg when he said about his and Sasha’s first date I cried T-T
Guess the suit is the least destructive thing to destroy. He gets to keep the picture of Sasha and that plant won't potentially die. Worst case scenario, you can make a new suit, it's not like that suit was some unique once in a lifetime suit that he had to pillage a vault to get.
woooow ... they butchered him ... he's just Handsome Jack minus the murderous tendencies ...
Gearbox's characters really kinda fall into one category only, huh? Telltale came along and made some cool and interesting characters, and even made some characters twice as good as their first appearance (Scooter especially, rest his soul). Unfortunately, it seems those characters were not spared Gearbox's weird writing.
The script was a combination of thousands reddits.
Honestly, I don't think Rhys is all that bad here. A CEO still kind of has to care if you're burning a ton of money away, that's just part of business and, by Borderlands standards, letting someone go instead of just killing them probably places him above most. Even the stuff that's arguably like Jack is at least his better qualities, none of the actually evil stuff, given even the good people in Borderlands tend to value guns that can actually kill people. I thought Vaughn was done far dirtier than Rhys, they turned him from nuanced corporate nerd bandit leader into just.... dude bro who seemingly no longer bathes like they just took the bro bro bro scene and made that his whole character.
I love that he has a mustache now
He literally acts like Vazquez, a person he fuckin’ hated.
God damn they killed Rhys’ character.
Also holy shit the animation and the dialogue is odd, gives a weird Forspoken vibe.
Rhys is acting out of character, but consider this: his speech pattern has also changed. Yes I know it's a different voice actor and although his voice does resemble Troy Baker, his speech fluctuates like Handsome Jack's. Listen to 5:12 and tell me that doesn't sound like Jack after taking over Rhys's body in that one scene. It's also worth mentioning that Rhys's echo eye implant is back to blue... You know, the color of the hacked echo eye, the one with Jack in it? And since they're acknowledging him ripping out his old echo eye in this very game, you'd think they'd have his new echo eye be the yellow one we saw in TftB's ending. Yes, I know it's also blue in Borderlands 3 but it's still suspect nonetheless. "All eyes and limbs all accounted for?" "Doing just great - better than!"
And the whole thing with him finding himself in the same position as Vasquez, with his car stolen and all. The only thing that keeps me from fully considering this theory is that I don't believe the writing to be nuanced enough to imply such a thing through subtle clues, I think it's actually just clumsy writing that will not amount to anything. Unlike in Telltale's version where we see some foreshadowing happen at the end of the game, with Jack's statue being used as a basis for Rhys's statue implying the threat of being another Handsome Jack is still looming - but not here.
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Ugh God her mannerism and Body Movements/Language has MCU Phase 4 writing all over it. Or even worse, CW levels of writing
CW?
@@NEEDLESALAD Its one of those streaming companies that make really crappy DC shows like The Flash or Arrow or Batwoman
@@andrewvillatoro4605 ohh.
A lotta people say Rhys had a massive personality change, but honestly given that he had to harden up due to corporate life and the fact that Anu pretty much cost him a fortune it makes sense. Like most other companies default response is KILL ON SIGHT or TORTURE, but he just chose to just simply fire her instead and even ask for help later on when she stole the car. He's always been kinda an ass, and the circumstances here make sense for him to be an ass in this moment.
That was Vazquez car, and Anu take as the only way to get out, Rhys take it screw Vazquez.
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True, but the circumstances were also different. Rhys far more legitimately earned his position than Vasquez did and Rhys firing her for her actions she took deliberately against the company vs Vasquez demoting Rhys to Janitor just to humiliate him also seems a lot different too. Rhys could've asked for a different car, but he asked for Vasquez's as an extra screw up, on top of trying to undermine his deal.
Sasha is Rhys' girl right? So why does he have a single picture of her??? Wtf did they do to her, where is she?
In Borderlands 3 Rhys hired Zero to check up on her, there were no signs of her.
Never clarified yet if she was ok. Honestly was hoping this game would answer that.
But since Fiona is OK, and if this gets a sequel, hope we get to play as her again. She would probably be a Vault Hunter by then, and likely to drag Rhys and Vaughn in this adventure.
@@sainttan I’m really hoping she’d be back in the next borderlands or another tales (but by Telltale this time). Slowly they are bringing back the original characters in in the games so…..here’s to hoping 🤞🤞🤞
Well Randy Pitchford has said that the reason Fiona and Sasha weren't in New Tales, because he said "Your princesses are in another castle. We love them both and have plans - they deserve more than to be side characters." No news on Gordys or Loader Bot tho. So having read this tweet, I can only assume we will probably see them in BL4 and I hope Fiona is a playable Vault Hunter.
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That's kind of silly saying they deserve more than to be side characters.... but that's literally what Rhys and Vaughn are here. So they're saying they respect Rhys and Vaughn less and it's okay for them to have that role?
I just… I just wish writers would actually give a shit about the stories they write nowadays, do their research, and stay with the steady flow of consistent character development. It’s just so exhausting to see beloved series get numbed down to a pile of crap over the years. I’m just so tired of it.
It’s such a shame too cause it’s not like they couldn’t have made an evil/douchey Rhys work, run a cool little meta-narrative about the tragic corruptive consequences of wealth and power, Rhys fought like hell to escape Jacks shadow only to be consumed by it anyway just like wallet-head before him
This just... Isn't Rhys. At all. None of what happened in TFTB should have resulted in this.
Rhys in this is like he has left over Jack within him, he is the eBay version of Jack, they massacred him
I feel like I can't be mad at him for being mad at any one of those items being destroyed considering how much sentimental value seem to have
This Rhys is better than borderlands 3. He is the ceo of a weapon manufacturer and Dr Anu made a useless weapon using expensive materials, destroyed Rhys' sentimental property, and regularly goes out of the way to sabotage her company because she drinks the PETA coolaid. If they made Rhys anything like Handsome Jack, Anu would have been used for weapon testing the first time she let out the Jabbers
I’ll add this to the list of things I don’t consider to be canon nowadays right along with Jodie Whittaker’s Doctor, and the Star Wars sequels.
Wish we found sasha……and vaughn
Considering how badly Gearbox ruined Vaughn in Borderlands 3, I’d rather the writers stay FAR away from Sasha and Fiona for now
@@harrydubois6619 SPOLIER:
Fiona is found at the very end, narrating alongside Marcus
We are unsure what happened to Sasha, but we do know Vaughn is still around alive being a bandit
@@SuperSeasonChannel2003 I thought she would be doing something cool or off vault hunting but nope, just got turned into a narrator
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Yeah, people say they ruined Rhys and admittedly I can see how some changes can rub people the wrong way, but Vaughn was absolutely massacred. Any trace of nuance corporate geek is long gone, like they had to force him into the cliche dude bro bandit role just for a cheap cameo. Whatever happened to the Vaughn that cleverly used laser pointers, because the Children of Helios preferred to avoid unnecessary violence?
A pity that this game was not in Telltale's hands, everything could have been much better with her in control
rhys’ character has officially been assassinated
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
I wish old decisions from BL3 based on percentages based characters off of them, like when Rhys asks if his mustache is good he can and will shave it
Now this is canon.
The mustache is great I prefer this design of him over the original
Rhys became what he hated and sought to destroy
No, he was dreaming to be in Jack's throne and here he's softie compare to other bosses, what he hated was the compettence.
Rhys was one of my favourites video game characters, and Tales from the borderlands was one of my fav telltale game , but now they just messed up both 😢
This just proves that Gearbox _really_ hated the success of the original Tales, so much so that they'll go to great lengths to ruin every TFTB character in the newer Borderlands games
Not only Tales, but also Pre Sequel. They COMPLETELY ignored that storyline for some reason, especially that Eridian warning them about an upcoming war.
@@xXYannuschXx gearbox hates every good thing theyve done
Here's some moments when his intonation reminds me of his original self
1:19
3:50
7:45
12:34
13:51
WHY DID SHE TURN IT IN IF IT CAN’T BRING THINGS BACK
I totally forgot that he had crush on Sasha X) he was such Jack fanboy in my walkthrough
Okay so I recognize Torgue, Wainright, and of course Rhys, but who are the other manufacturer owners?
Athena & Katagawa Sr.
Should we all agree new tales isnt canon?
15:22 Any professional lip-readers out there? All I picked up is that he said something painfully unfunny, though that's made clear in this game in general
Why do the characters who are standing look like they have to pee constantly with how they dance around
Fun fact his va later voice neuvilette from genshin impact
i love how they try to make ryes look like an ass whole because he thinks a company needs to be profitable
I somewhat like what they did with him like think about it the game takes place a long time after the first game and hes a ceo now so obviously he'd change alot from how he was but this is just too much its basically character assassination the bare minimum they could've done was make him still nerdy so his personality change could be somewhat believable also the voice is ok I like it honestly differentiate him from his past self like his mustache if only he felt like the same character
... yeah, not the Rhys I know and love.
Good job ruining a marvelous character, Gearbox. I DID still forgive how he was on 3, but this is just bad, at this point.
I already expected to be bad at this point, but, you know, still hurts to see him like this.
I fell asleep during this
Feels like the most canon thing to shoot would be Sasha’s picture so he has some sort of incentive to go
This "sequel" doesn't explain which things are canon, and that picture is the only thing left of the original Rhys.
Did they get the Food Fight animators to make this?
The new VA sounds more like August at times than Rhys
I prefer Troy Baker's voice for Rhys
Honestly feels pretty reasonable with the scientist
“ not you “ just hurts I just want to play as him just like the first game
Ryhs will always be me mfs
new tales should have just continued where the first one left of with it cutting to what happened to rhys and fiona after disappearing in the vault
They really had to throw in “not you” just to annoy original fans. God I hate this game
So...Bootleg Claptrap, and triple bootleg Jack.....
Love how Rhys react to Sashas picture vanishing.
Not my rhys. the VA did the best with what he had, and i get that rhys has probably had a lot of character development in between, but idk. i know you could play rhys as a total asshole in Tales but for the most part he was dorky with a facade of confidence. or maybe he just blossomed into his own when he became a CEO? its hard, idk. not my rhys :(
I like Rhys' new look. I wonder if this guy's going to be a villain in the future, like some people thought he was gonna be in bl3. The theory was handsome jack taking over his mind or something like that, and he definitely seems to act more like Handsome Jack now.
Hell, anyone is a step-up from the calypsos and the children of cringe.
Rhys wasn’t really set up to be villainous in Tales from the Borderlands, even if you made pro-Jack choices, so him being a villain isn’t the move imo
Man, that's actually something I could believe given his speech pattern in this sounds a lot more like Jack than it does Rhys and, oh what's this, HIS ECHO EYE IS BLUE AGAIN. Last I checked, the blue Echo-eye had Jack's AI in it. (A "eye" get it)
@@Lesaloote The eye with Jack was blue, but don't forget, that everytime Jack was in controll, the eye changed to brown colour. Also I believe Gearbox confirmed, that the canon choice was that Rhys destroyed the eye with Jack at the end of Tales1.
What the fuck is humane about releasing caged animals in space
Just stupid, she should put them in escape pods directly to their ambient.
15:20 wait a minute? was that Cowabunga JR (which is what I call Katagawa JR because don't even bother trying to remember how to say his name because his a git to me), I thought he was dead in Borderlands 3 and this takes place after it.
Katagawa Sr. The father is.
@@manugames92 Ooh, it's Cowabunga's dad, my bad
Did Rhys die??
He must’ve cause I got no clue who tf this guy is
@@liamf2741 Dude was the main character in tales from the borderlands along with Fiona made by telltales. That game's characters and writing was MILES better than this
His eye return to blue.
Bro How did they ruin my favorite character-? They just took all the Character development and went *YEET*. Like bruh. He was supposed to learn from HJ's Mistakes. Not become him
Bad Ending where Handsome Jack takes over Rhys (he forgets rhys is an idiot to everyone else)
I thought Zer0 was the assassin, but it seems that Rhys' writers were the real assassins. Character assassins that is.
Cagaron el personaje de Rhys al hacerlo un "Jack el guapo" de bajo presupuesto, el cual esta obsesionado con una chica (Sasha) y se da a entender que su amor no fue correspondido. Básicamente, un simp despechado el cual no tiene nada de personalidad y solo es el jefe malo. Dios, como odio este juego y el Borderlands 3
That's why I want to play this I want to see rhys again I'm going to play the first game again and then buy this
Look at how they massacred my boy
Look how they massacred my boy🥲
Imo, thats simply someone else called rhys who just happens to be in the same universe as the one from the telltale game.
this sucks. not only is Troy Baker's absense missed, but Rhys' character has completely regressed to being exactly what he was set to be at the start of the first game, despite his arc in that game being the exact opposite. it feels like a slap in the face to everything the writers did so well with Telltale's game.
Idk why but he looks different from Borderlands 3
14:03 well fuck, i never would thing to sya that i understand a character in video game THAT much
Which one?
Waittt he died???
In the best ending...
@@manugames92 def wouldn't consider the "accept shard" ending to be canon. Tbh you lose way more. Lou13 stays dead. You don't get your own company. And worst of all... You don't make amends with Rhy's.
I also get the best ending with accept shard, only less skateboards.
I tried twice to watch this game i slept each time
I love how new TFtB explain what happened with Sasha and Fiona
Ohhh wait....
did he reinstall the blue echo eye?
It's a posibility, and could mean what is canon.
Somebody mod this to remove his moustache PLEASE
Storytelling really took a dive in the third game, didn't even try the Tina spinoff as a result, they really dropped the ball
You missed out there
@@itzghillie4208 is it worth it? I'm open to being wrong, but I've been burnt enough with the awful writing
@@FatGuyInSpace I like tinas wacky character and mindset it fits the borderlands feel, it feels very much like a extended version of the attack on dragons keep dlc from BL2. I think it has much more passion put into it than borderlands 3, you can tell the devs had fun making the game
Discount handsome jack
They move like fucking robots.
At the end it says you did not forge the flaming sword of destiny
Gearbox trolling.
was this originally going to be made by telltale before they went bankrupt?
They planned on continuing the story of Rhys, Fiona, Sasha and so on, but got bankrupt sadly.
While i'm not the biggest fan of how Rhys was handled here, i wouldnt have minded if the main character wasnt so unbelievably fucking annoying.
Is there some way for a reality rewrite or divergent reality? I still refuse that this is canon.
So y’all fr don’t think Rhys would’ve ended up like this??? He became ceo
I think this happened, As a theory! So if you didnt crush rhys eye with handsome jack in it, He tried to fix it but then Jack took rhys over once he got to atlas HQ and acted like rhys so nobody would suspect him so Technical Rhys is gone, Handsome Jack remains
He has something with Sasha, and he will be put fight in every conflict.
@@manugames92 Bro imagine if Helios was still up and Rhys was The main Antagonist of brd3 because Jack took his body
look how they massacred my boy